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AL East Notes: Red Sox, O’s, Blue Jays

By Steve Adams | October 16, 2018 at 10:20pm CDT

Alex Speier of the Boston Globe looks at the Red Sox’ decision not to add a reliever to prior to the non-waiver trade deadline. That non-trade scenario that flew in the face of president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski’s reputation as “Dealer Dave” — one of the most aggressive executives throughout the industry. Dombrowski, though, talks with Speier about the fine line that an executive needs to walk in being content with the strengths the organization has. “I’ve been with clubs that were very good and won world championships and clubs that lost world championships — every club could be better,” said Dombrowski. “Once you improve something, the public pressure is there to improve something else. You just have to be aware that you’ll have to be content with what your club is at certain stages.”

Red Sox special assistant Tony La Russa, meanwhile, speaks about the process of deliberating whether the better move was to add a reliever or to move forward with a trade for righty Nathan Eovaldi. Perhaps the Sox could’ve found a way to do both, but if it was indeed an either/or scenario, it’s hard to argue with the results of that decision-making process.

More from the division…

  • With new front office leadership on the horizon, the Orioles aren’t likely to lean as heavily on the Rule 5 Draft, writes Roch Kubatko of MASNsports. Baltimore’s previous Rule 5 endeavors didn’t really lead to much success (Joey Rickard, Ryan Flaherty and T.J. McFarland are the most notable players to date), though outfielder Anthony Santander and righty Pedro Araujo could yet change that reality. Kubatko takes a look at the Orioles’ roster on the whole, noting that Trey Mancini, Cedric Mullins, Jonathan Villar, Chris Davis, Dylan Bundy, Andrew Cashner, Alex Cobb and Mychal Givens are more or less the only locks for the roster (barring a surprise release of Davis or further trades from the team’s pitching staff). Whoever is brought in to lead the Orioles will have plenty of fringe pitching options on whom to make decisions and will need to add significant depth to a thin roster that is lacking in big league experience.
  • Speaking of new Orioles decision-makers, Fancred’s Jon Heyman tweets that Baltimore “has sought to interview” MLB exec Kim Ng, while SNY’s Andy Martino tweets that Ben Cherington is also “in play” for the Orioles. It’s not clear if either is interested in the post, though Ng has drawn interest from the Giants and the Mets so far as well and was reportedly expected to interview with New York. Cherington withdrew his name from consideration for the Mets and Giants posts, though The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal previously reported that Cherington could be interested in a GM gig that would allow him to build an organization from the ground up. That’d certainly be the case in Baltimore, so perhaps the Orioles opportunity will hold greater appeal for him.
  • Sportsnet’s Ben Nicholson-Smith outlines an exhaustive offseason plan for Blue Jays president Mark Shapiro and GM Ross Atkins to follow, covering everything from option decisions to 40-man roster cuts, potential free-agent additions and some trade suggestions. Nicholson-Smith opines that Yangervis Solarte’s option should be declined, while Dalton Pompey is trimmed via a DFA. Veterans Kendrys Morales and Russell Martin should be considered largely sunk costs in the final seasons of their contracts, with the vast majority of their salaries being eaten in trades to save a few million dollars. While it’s all speculative in nature, it’s also an excellent look at the wide-ranging slate of decisions that Shapiro, Atkins and the rest of the front office will have to consider in what looks to be a busy offseason in Toronto.
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  1. Blah blah blah

    7 years ago

    “though outfielder Anthony Santander and righty Pedro Araujo could yet change that reality.”

    A corner outfielder with a .198 / .250 / .297 line and a relief pitcher with a 7.71 ERA in 28 innings are actually promising developments in Baltimore.

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    • dimitrios in la

      7 years ago

      If all you go by is numbers as a barometer of someone’s potential then, yes, what you’ve said above makes a lot of sense.

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      • Blah blah blah

        7 years ago

        and what better barometer is there?

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        • doublee919

          7 years ago

          How about their entire minor league career and considering that both jumped several levels to get to the majors and post the numbers you referenced.

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          Rule 5 draft picks who come in and perform in the majors year one are extremely rare. To throw them away after making a jump these guys clearly aren’t ready for is just stupid. To put any weight on what they did this year is just dumb. Neither may pan out but it’s not because they didn’t perform in the big leagues in 2018.

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    • davidcoonce74

      7 years ago

      They were rule 5 picks who weren’t ready for the majors. That’s the nature of rule 5 picks – they’re usually guys who jump from A-ball to the majors or whatever because the Rule 5 requires the players spend all season on a MLB roster or be offered back to their original team at half the waiver cost. It’s a way for a rebuilding or bad team to add talent for at the cost of just a roster spot.

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      • thecoffinnail

        7 years ago

        Case in point was When the Padres took catcher Luis Torrens from the Yankees a couple of years ago. He was widely viewed as a future starter with a good bat and solid defense. I was shocked when the Yankees didn’t protect him. He had a miserable year in San Diego when he was chosen but he will be back in a couple of years and will be a solid player. Had he not gotten hurt when he was in the Yankees system he would definitely have been protected and would be on the cusp of a MLB roster spot next year. If he kept progressing like he was he would have made it a lot easier for Cadhman to trade Sanchez away. I was and still am very high on him and am looking forward to seeing him return to the bigs.

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  2. realgone2

    7 years ago

    The O’s just have to bite the damn bullet and release Davis.

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    • Opposing Views

      7 years ago

      Why? You’re paying him either way, and you aren’t going to win any time soon. Keep trotting him out there and hope he regains some trade value.

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      • dimitrios in la

        7 years ago

        Sounds about right, but there will come a time when the roster might need to be freed of that disaster. Not yet, however.

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        • Opposing Views

          7 years ago

          I agree, eventually it could come to that, but hope to get something out of it first.

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      • UVAguy81

        7 years ago

        At least that way it’d open up another spot in the outfield since they’d likely move Mancini to first and have Trumbo become the permanent DH.

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        • Opposing Views

          7 years ago

          Use Davis as a utility guy and hope he figures it out. All these young guys are going to need days off. On a team not going anywhere next year, Davis can fill in at 1st, 3rd, and corner OF. Let him play to give the regulars there breaks.

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        • MZ311

          7 years ago

          A utility guy? He can DH and barely play first

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        • davidcoonce74

          7 years ago

          Chris Davis? He’s a good first baseman. All the stats you could look at say so. Defense has never been his problem; his historically awful season at the plate is the real issue, but there’s no way he could repeat that….probably.

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          Davis plays a very good first base. He can’t hit a baseball anymore but the defense has been just fine. We need to play Mancini there because he obviously isn’t a corner outfielder.

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      • Pops

        7 years ago

        By releasing Davis you keep the stench of his apathy away from the new young players.
        by keeping CD and playing him the team will continue to lose, leading to better draft picks..

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          Davis isn’t the only reason we suck. We have the worst roster in the big leagues with or without him. If we manage to deal givens, Cobb, bundy and villar it’s going to get a lot worse. We’ll be picking 1 or two again next year

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    • xabial

      7 years ago

      Reason not to bite the bullet? Age.

      Chris Davis is the same age as Albert Pujols was when he was given 10-year 240M. Reason to hope?

      Reason-2? Owed $85 million over next four years.

      Another reason?

      The deferred money; $42 million from 2023-2037, or $2.8 million per year 15 years after contract expires.

      Prediction: Davis stays put for at least another 2 years.

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      • dimitrios in la

        7 years ago

        I’m sure the new GM will make the Davis situation part of the negotiations; that’s to say s/he will want to have certainty re Davis and options for him before agreeing to the front office job.

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      • Cam

        7 years ago

        Why is the Pujols contract a reason to hope? It’s a bad, bad contract – he’s fallen off a cliff.

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  3. pasha2k

    7 years ago

    That goes to show you why the Sox brought Larissa in, to loan his smart pitching eye. If they didn’t get Eovaldi there is is no way they would have won the games he had so far

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  4. jorge78

    7 years ago

    Luckily Toronto has BNS making all their moves for them!

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  5. dimitrios in la

    7 years ago

    I would imagine that Cherington is not only a strong candidate (who would also be further motivated by vengeance on his former club) but also someone who would be most interested in the opportunity in Baltimore.

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    • steelerbravenation

      7 years ago

      Any Blue Jays fans think Russel Martin has anything left. Could he come in and share time with Flowers and be productive. How is he in the clubhouse is his leadership good and does he handle a young pitching staff well ?
      If he checks all the boxes maybe he comes to ATL in a package with Stroman. If they are rebuilding we got some prospects they could be interested in.

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      • its_happening

        7 years ago

        Does Russell have anything left? Yes, mentorship to Jansen and McGuire if they choose to have 3 catchers and Russell plays more INF. That is about it. But there’s no need for Tyler Flowers.

        Blue Jays don’t have much starting pitching. Very thin at the top. Stroman’s only being traded if he sulks/whines/acts childish on public social media accounts. Stroman won’t cost the Jays a ton and if he bounces back he becomes a stronger trade commodity. No reason to deal him at this point.

        More likely AA signs JA Happ. He loves Happ and might take a run at him.

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        • steelerbravenation

          7 years ago

          He is not signing Happ if the Braves get a pitcher it’s gonna be an Ace or Ace potential if not they run out what is there. If anything Sanchez would come back which I still don’t think would be a bad thing if he was willing to take a swing man role.

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        • its_happening

          7 years ago

          Blue Jays are not trading any pitcher. Period. They have no depth. None. So do not expect a deal with Toronto.

          Don’t be surprised about Happ. AA loves Happ. Really loves Happ. Guaranteed AA will kick the tires to see what it would take to get him.

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  6. steelerbravenation

    7 years ago

    Never mind I just looked at their numbers and they suck

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  7. bleacherbum

    7 years ago

    I can see Solarte re-signing a short deal to come back to San Diego. Fan favorite, good back up at 3B/2B/1B to spell Hosmer, Urias and Villanueva/Myers at times. He could be a better version of what we all hoped Jose Pirela would be but is not. It might actually make more sense if Myers could be moved somehow.

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    • davidcoonce74

      7 years ago

      Solarte absolutely collapsed in the second half this year and because the defense is so bad he doesn’t have much value as a utility guy. He’s not an upgrade on Spangenberg or either Asuaje or Pirela or some other minor-league infielder the Padres have hanging around. Those guys are fungible; you don’t pay a l;ot for them.

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  8. jimmertee

    7 years ago

    Yes the Jays have lots of decisions to make. Can this leadership make the neccessary ones? I don’t think they have the cohonas.

    Stroman has to stay, Sanchez should head to the pen until innings prove his finger is fixed. Estrada gone, Reid Foley, Pannone[until he slides to pen], Gaviglio, and Borucki in the rotation.

    Maile gone, Jansen main cather with Martin and McGuire as backup.

    Solarte should be gone but at the moment the internal Jays Mgmt conversations are ongoing about this decision. Diaz .third base and backup to 2nd. Gurriel Jr Shortstop, Travis traded for prospects, Urena 2nd, Drury backup,.

    Pillar should be traded for pitching. Outfield of Hernandez, Mckinney[until he slides], Grichuk, and Alford. Dwight Smith? Davis in minors.

    Smoak traded for pitching. Tellez, 1B, Tulowitski 1B and DH[no whining], Morales gone,

    Giles, Tepara, Barnes, Mayza, Fernandez, Paulino, Gurerreri, Biagini all in pen. Clippard, Leiter Jr, Petricka all gone. File in holes with FA’s or trades or from minors.

    Darn Yankees, couldn’t even beat the Bosox in the playoffs.

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    • xabial

      7 years ago

      If it makes you feel better…

      Was Boone’s fault Yanks couldnt beat Bosox, Jimmy.
      Clear downgrade from Girardi. Were spoiled w/ Girardi

      Went from the game’s best manager of bullpens to worst

      Still love ya, Jimmy

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      • xabial

        7 years ago

        And I know it’s hard to tell cuz Yanks bullpen was ridiculously good. Yes, Rotation left much to be desired… Take ‘em out sooner, Booney… Girardi didn’t hesitate to pull Severino in what was the shortest inning of SP in postseason history… they won that game. Boone gets 2 selfish leavin SP

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          7 years ago

          So sick of hearing how great the Yankees Bullpen was, you can’t ride a bullpen forever. Please Cash get some reliable starters, trade Stanton, and sign Harper.

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          They got shut down by eovaldi and porcello. Not excactly Scherzer and Strasburg. They definitely need to add some pitching and hope that the Red Sox keep pitching David price against them. Good luck moving Stanton though. Between the NTC and the cash I highly doubt it.

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    • its_happening

      7 years ago

      Jimmer….big difference between Boston and NYY in the series was OF defense. Benintendi makes the catch Gardner couldn’t. Gardner doesn’t run down the running play Benintendi made. Boston covered the OF better overall than New York the whole series. That helped at least 1 game in the best of 5.

      As for the Jays…I’d say bye to Dwight Smith. Would rather carry a 5th that can play D. Smith is scattered in the OF. Travis Bergin would be given a shot to make the team as a situation lefty after a dominant 2018 in the minors. He’s earned a look based on performance.

      In agreement with the guys traded or dealt.

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      • rocky7

        7 years ago

        Really tired of guys berating Gardners defense….He has a Gold Glove and was robbed last year of the same….how many does Benny have in left field……Left is cavernous at Yankee stadium and size wise the green monster doesn’t compare….must lean to play the wall but come on.
        Exactly how did Boston cover the outfield better than the Yankees?
        Just another Yankee hater come calling today I guess.
        Given this bullspit, I didn’t even bother with anything else you said.8

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        • jdgoat

          7 years ago

          *looks at the two outfields*

          *Somehow thinks saying the Red Sox outfield defense is better than the Yankees makes someone a Yankee Hater*

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        • jdgoat

          7 years ago

          And how do you determine that he was “robbed” of one last year. Alex Gordon was better through both the advanced stats and fielding percentage if that your type of thing. There’s literally nothing that backs up Gardner over Gordon.

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          But Gardner could hit! …kind of!

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        • its_happening

          7 years ago

          Rocky7 you make it too easy for me to trigger you. This has more to do with Benintendi’s abilities than a fading Brett Gardner. Age will do that. Can’t hand Gardner fraudulent Gold Gloves year in and year out. He’s not 1990’s Ozzie Smith.

          Seeing you are a Yanks fan I didn’t expect you to bother with anything else as you probably can’t read.

          Based on your comments I’d say you do have a hard time reading anyway.

          Yanks and Red Sox are not separated by much, but better OF play by the Yanks would have had the series tied at 2 at the very least. You can have Machado and that still won’t address the small holes on the Yankees.

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    • ThePriceWasRight

      7 years ago

      wow. I thought maybe this makes sense till I read trade Travis for prospects. than this all nosedived

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      • jimmertee

        7 years ago

        How come the Travis love??. He’s not very good defensively, his knees from the shifts on turf are likely to soon blow again, he can’t lead off, he can’t steal bases. To put it in perspective, In his last year with the Jays, Goins was better than Travis.

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          7 years ago

          True that. Travis is a walking ortho specimen.

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        • jdgoat

          7 years ago

          Travis struggled last year, but to suggest Goins has ever been better than him is just not true at all.

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        • ThePriceWasRight

          7 years ago

          it’s no love for Travis. it’s the fact you literally just pointed out why no team will trade prospects for him unless they are no more than ever to get past A ball.

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        • jimmertee

          7 years ago

          When hasn’t Travis struggled? the awful 100 or so tries that gibby put him in to lead him off? Repeated knee problems? .232 BA 11hrs, 3 SB this year?Defensive war less that 1 for every year he has been in the league?

          Enough is enough already.. Time to cut bait and pickup an A ball prospect.

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        • its_happening

          7 years ago

          …or non-tender him.

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        • jdgoat

          7 years ago

          Half the years he’s been in the big leagues…. and even in 2017 he was just starting to be the hitter he showed he could be before he got injured again.

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        • ThePriceWasRight

          7 years ago

          So this Is the second coming of kipnis but without the full year of proof yet?

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    • charlesk

      7 years ago

      Sad thing is all of this and more should have been done in 2017/18. Shapkins don’t have the necessary skills for a major league rebuild. Lots of comments here about how great they are at building a farm system – one where the top prospects were all drafted or signed by their predecessor – but prospects don’t win you a World Series. I don’t get the feeling this front office even has that as their goal. #FireShapkins

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  9. DannyQ3913

    7 years ago

    Kim Ng needs to be a GM somewhere

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    • its_happening

      7 years ago

      Teams in the California Penal are looking.

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      • thegreatcerealfamine

        7 years ago

        +11 on the reply scale, and of course that usually tops out at 10…

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  10. oldleftylong

    7 years ago

    DD starting to look, well … old!

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