4:57pm: A deal is “not thought to be close” right now, Rosenthal adds on Twitter, though the fact that players have been asked about their no-trade clauses still seems to indicate it’s a serious possibility.
Interestingly, the Mariners have also approached Leake with other possible destinations, Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets. Whether alternative deals are lined up with other organizations is not known.
4:46pm: The Padres and Mariners have been talking about a fascinating potential trade scenario involving some large contracts, according to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (via Twitter). There’s no indication at this point of the likelihood of a deal being consummated, but it seems the sides may at least in part be waiting on word of whether a player involved would waive his no-trade rights.
Per Rosenthal, the possible deal is built around three major league players. Whether there’s more involved isn’t apparent, but at base, the M’s would receive slugger Wil Myers while sending shortstop Jean Segura and righty Mike Leake to San Diego. Notably, though, Leake has a no-trade clause and is said to be considering his options. Segura does as well, though there’s no indication about his status.
It’s never easy to tell whether a potential deal might move across the line. In this case, though, it’s quite notable that the players have evidently been contacted. That surely would not happen if the teams were not serious.
Needless to say, the money is a notable factor in this scenario. Myers is owed a total of $64MM over the next four seasons, which includes a buyout on a 2023 option. Segura is set to earn $57MM on a contract built on the same timeline (four remaining years plus an option). Leake, meanwhile, is still due another $36MM for the next two seasons, including a buyout on a mutual option, though the Cardinals are paying $9MM of that amount.
Without any further tweaking, then, a straight swap would see the Padres take on approximately $20MM. They’d also be moving on from a player who really does not seem to fit the roster while adding a quality shortstop — a position of need — and an innings-eating starter. It seems like a nice opportunity for the Friars, though of course it’s still also possible that they’d be chipping in some other assets.
For the Seattle club, this would be yet another move designed to reposition the roster. Shedding some salary obligations would certainly be welcome, and it’s possible the M’s are believers in Myers as a hitter. He’d make good sense in the first base/corner outfield/DH mix. There have also been some questions about Segura’s fit in Seattle after clubhouse dust-up last season.
One broad takeaway here, from the Padres’ vantage point, is that the team is very clearly taking an aggressive approach at trying to retool its 40-man roster. Beyond large-scale moves like the one being discussed with the Mariners, San Diego has also been shopping right-hander Rowan Wick in advance of tonight’s Rule 5 protection deadline, per Rosenthal (Twitter link).
Meanwhile, Rosenthal and colleague Dennis Lin suggest that the Friars could sell the rights to third baseman Christian Villanueva to an interested, but unspecified team in Japan’s Nippon Professional Baseball (Twitter link). That’d only further the team’s need for a third baseman, but it’s becoming increasingly clear that that’s an area of acute importance to the San Diego front office. As for Villanueva, he’d surely stand to earn more in Japan than he’d make as a pre-arbitration player in 2019.
Please do it Mariners so we can all laugh at you
Well I would cry! I wouldn’t trade Segura, and IF I did it wouldn’t be for Myers.
Thought at first it would’ve been something like Felix Hernandez and Cano for Hosmer or something else dumb like that lol.
The Padres are routinely the losers taking on bad contracts in trades that involve household names. Wouldn’t surprise to see Seattle unload Felix on the Padres too.
Please swap Hosmer for Cano and Seager. PLEASE!
Why do you need another reason to laugh at Seattle?
And who plays SS Cano?
Why wouldnt Leake like to come home to SD? He’s a Fallbrook kid. Mariners are going nowhere and Padres are starting ramp things up.
Still lives there in the offseason.
Hes seeing if they will throw in some more monty…always the monty
If they brought back Monty Python I’m sure he’d consider it
Michael,
lol
Or Monty Hall might help them make a deal.
haaalolol
left
Maybe it’s the full Monty
luc,
lol, ya killing me
That would be the holy grail of trades
Commiefornia state income tax
I’m not sure which is more idiotic, your screen name or your comment!
powder b is the name of a rapper in bone thugs and harmony. and it IS commiefornia. so the real idiot is panty waste evidently liberal “progressives” like you
No state income tax in WA, would be paying 13.3% in CA. Pretty substantial pay cut.
That’s a reason.
Im pretty sure he lives in SD in the offseason
Yeah, but he probably doesn’t claim to be a California resident, which would be easy to do when one works primarily outside of CA and maintains a residence in another state for at least 6 months of the year.
Would Seattle trade Jean Segura for Sonny Gray, Clint Frazier, and Tyler Wade?
NY should just take Leake too to slot in their 4 spot and not give up Frazier
I think Leake would be 5th. Sevy, Tanaka, Paxton, CC, Leake
Cashman is not finished with the rotation, he won’t sleep until he gets Corbin, but still the other 3 in the rotation you just cannot depend on. Just Saying, no harm meant.
Right. Wouldn’t surprise me if the Yankees got Corbin and Happ. Can not rely on Paxton and Sabathia to remain healthy.
Sure – they just traded away a top prospect and 2 others for someone they feel they cannot rely on. Makes sense.
Perk,
And what about Sevey,
he has been a shocker, and you are so right about Corbin
and Happ
They would have had
some rotation if CC wasn’t
in it! I know I WON’T hear the end of it, but it is what it is!
Luc, like Tanaka and Severino
are so hot?
Every player is a risk, one never knows how one will perform
coming to a new team.
The biggest risk in life is
not taking a risk at all!
#Life101
leake is not a bad contract. he’s a solid rotation piece
It’s possible to be both. See Greinke, Zack.
Anyway, Leake’s contract is definitely underwater but it’s the worst thing in the world.
Why does Clint Frazier come up in every single Yankee fan trade proposal? Also, Wade doesn’t have much value and Gray doesn’t make sense for the Mariners since he only has one year of control.
Probably because the Yankees aren’t ready to give Frazier the starting LF job outright.
Yup
Not enough room for Frazier in the OF rn, that’s why
Tyler Wade is aweful bros!!
Hey don’t say that you’ll get swarmed
Gotcha JDG, MY BAD
Would probably be Segura + Healy for that
Cashman has already gone down this road, forget it!
That’s too much quality in return for Dipoto. Dipoto would likely ask for Ellsbury.
Pads are doing some good things now. Watch out
Its not done yet.. but it could be..
Paying Mike Leake 45 mil is NOT a good thing! We can get someone to “eat innings” at 4 mil a year
Mike Leake is owed a net $27 million over the next two seasons after posting 3.6 fWAR, valued at $28.4 million, in 36 starts with the Mariners:
https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=10130&position=P#value
Right but that 1.3OO WHIP, 4.13 FIP, and 98ERA+, 6.1 K’s per 9 aint worth 28 mil smart guy! and he is 32
And that has been worth $28.4 million in only 36 starts with Seattle, according to the FanGraphs WAR conversion.
And to stick with facts, Mike Leake turned 31 years old earlier this month.
FanGraphs WAR conversion is paying for what free agent wins cost.
Padres have something called a farm system.
So this 9 mil a win above replacement can be used on teams like the Dodgers, Red Sox and Yankees who spend 200 mil+ year after year.
Just so we’re clear: makes zero sense to use this chart when you’re in the Padres position. But feel free to if it makes you feel better about what you’re saying.
And by the way you’re saying Trout will make over 80 million a year when he is a free agent….your logic, not mine.
3.6 fWAR, no matter how you slice it.
Right so 9 WAR however you slice it worth 80 mil a year…which is not going to happen, so why would we pay Mike fraking Leake that same rate?
Because the Padres FO want to get rid of Myers, though as you say, Leake+Segura don’t make sense for a team that is not yet at a competitive state imo.
Especially if it means losing any one of Mejia/Urias just to put out a unfinished team for contention.
I personally believe that the Friars need to see how things go during a/o after the upcoming season before shipping any of their top prospects away.
People said that when they acquired Wil Myers and Craig Kimbrel before 2015 too. Take a wait and see approach here.
Well last time they were”doing good things” they traded for 2 Upton’s and a Kimbrel and only win 74 games.
I like this deal alot. Make it happen!!
They may as well replace the whole roster at this point
Everyone except Haniger and Diaz
They should trade Diaz now. He’d bring back a ton, they could trade him before he’d get expensive, and a closer is a luxury if they really plan on having 2020-21 be their timeline.
They should, but i doubt they will even though he is coming off his best year so far
And judge!
Mariners would have to be receiving a couple prospects here to make it worth it.
I would think- because you don’t get any more lopsided than this.
Agreed. It makes no sense to trade a player of Segura’s caliber PLUS one of your 4 remaining SP’s for a salary dump. There HAS to be a top prospect or two coming back.
Judging DiPoto’s trades it’ll be SD’s #25 who is semi-bust but did just have a pretty good year last year in AA.
Padres wanted Noah Syndergaard
We get Mike Leake instead.
But, this would allow the Padres to offer Luis Urias as a centerpiece to a Syndergaard trade and shift Segura to 2B when Tatis Jr comes up to play SS.
Yes.
That’s probably it.
Or just shift Tatis to 3rd and see which of our plethora of young starting pitchers end up being the real deal. I don’t think it makes a lot of sense to trade urias for 3 years of an injury prone, albeit dominant when healthy starter when realistically we won’t compete until 2020. Would rather target a front line starter next year, maybe sign gerrit cole.
Neither do I, but Padres are hellbent on finding an ace reports say. I agree with you. Keep Urias, let the pitchers pitch.
But, Gore or Urias, id rather keep Gore if Padres are hellbent on trading for an ace. Id rather keep both but we will see.
So would you be against having Tatis included in the Noah deal ?
The Mets have said they want MLB players to fill holes on their roster at catcher, CF, and in the bullpen. Tatis doesn’t play any of those positions and the 22 year old Rosario does.
Tatis Jr is the main piece of the rebuild. Trade wont happen with his name included.
Why do people keep bringing up Tatis Jr. as part of a trade for Syndergaard? It’s been explained time and again that he is the centerpiece of the Padres farm who fills their greatest position of need. Why can people not get that through their head? He is not going anywhere.
Rather trade Segura. Urias is cheaper, controlled 2 years longer and has more upside.
You’re high if u think they will part with tatis and my thing is I think they keep both and move tatis over since they didn’t find a 3rd basemen that’s not over priced and play him there
This only makes sense if either Mejia or Urias is coming over to Seattle as well. Segura is a better player, plays a position of need and his contract is team friendly.
Yeah, that won’t be happening. May get some rule 5 guys like Edward Oliveras and Michael Gettys. But Padres are saving Seattle some money in this deal, about 7 mill a year between Leake and Segura price tags compared to Wil Myers.
Probably will get at least one of that type of rule 5 eligible player because its two 40 man roster players coming to the Padres. Gettys has incredible tools, but never played up to them.
I think I would move Mejia for Segura but I am a big Hedges advocate.
Straight up? Sure.
M’s have plenty of $. Their TV deal is one of the best in MLB. Segura is a top 5 hitting SS, Myers isn’t very good at any position, terrible OBP, and is overpaid. The Padres have to include a top prospect, or ownership should remove JD.
So that is why diPoto said that they are going to cut payroll to make a run possibly in 2021?
They would only save a little over $13 million(Cards pick up some $ each of the next 2 years, with no SS on the roster or close to the majors in the farm. They cleared $ by dealing Paxton and Zunino. This deal as currently reported makes zero sense for the M’s.
Dee Gordon would slide over to SS
Gotta be a top prospect coming back. Plus, look for DiPoto to flip Myers for a fringe guy. Otherwise he needs to be shown the door asap.
Gordon is a terrible SS, woth a worse contract.
Yeah….no.
Segura is the most valuable asset in the deal, by far. Fangraphs rated him among the top 50 trade assets back at midseason.
Myers contact is bad. The Padres would need to include some good prospects to even the deal. Segura isn’t a salary dump.
Given the timing, I have to guess that there are guys who need to be added to the Padres 40 man soon (like Paddack) involved in the deal.
Not a chance that they’d include Paddack in a trade like this.
The Padres would probably take on Segura and Leake. Mariners get Myers and someone like Gettys, Avila, Hansel Rodriguez, etc as a sweetener. Padres take on the extra $21 million owed.
I would be amazed if they got anyone in the Padres top 25 prospects. More likely a couple of those guys that are Rule 5 eligible like Gettys or Olivares..
Without good young talent coming back to Seattle, this deal makes zero sense.
The more likely scenario is that the reason this was leaked was because of the no trade clauses, with only the guys with big ML contracts mentioned.
That’s gonna be a “no” from me dawg
Wonder if the Padres would then try to flip Segura to another team.
Luis Urias as part of a Noah Syndergaard trade. Segura is locked up through 2023. Segura can shift to 2B when Tatis Jr is called up
More likely that Tatis moves to 3B when he is called up. Urias, Segura, Tatis, and Hosmer is quite an infield.
No reason to move any top prospects other than possibly Mejia for Syndergaard. Prospects would not fill the needs on the MLB roster that the Mets have said that they want if they are going to trade Syndergaard.
The Mets want MLB players at catcher, CF, and bullpen. They also have mentioned 3B, but they are stuck with Frazier there right now. Maybe the Padres send Mejia, Jankowski, a couple of bullpen pieces, and a guy like Nix or Quantrill for Syndergaard, Frazier, and Swarzak. Padres eat $18 million for one year on Frazier and Swarzak and get Syndergaard.
And you have to remember, Syndergaard has not pitched a full season in his MLB career because of injuries every year. He had only 32 starts in the past 2 seasons. That is less than one season’s worth of playing time. He is not an Ace and the Mets won’t get an Ace return for him.
If thats what the Padres are offering, Mets deal Syndergaard elsewhere.
I can see Mejia instead of Urias, but in grand scheme of things Padres need to figure out their long term catcher 1st before dealing either Hedges or Mejia. Also, if Mets trade Syndergaard they most likely signal a rebuiild given Degrom has 2 years left. They wouldnt have interest in Jankowski or bullpen pieces. They’d have interest in someone like Reed or Cordero, and a couple SP prospects in addition to either Urias or Mejia. Also I dont see the Mets attaching players to lessen the deal theyd receive.
If the Mets trade Thor, they need talent that helps the roster NOW. Urias alone isn’t enough.
Thor is as good as Paxton, and cheaper. That means a higher price than Sheffield…from the Padres, it means Tatis.
There are several prospects better than Sheffield in the system
Yeah, Mets aren’t getting a top 5 prospect and top 25 prospect for Syndergaard.
Urias, Logan Allen, Josh Naylor, Jacob Nix, and Austin Allen is a fair deal for Syndergaard. All MLB/near MLB ready within a year and Mets need quantity over quality at this point they have so many holes to fill.
Switch out Mejia for Urias. Fits both Padres and Mets’ needs better.
If Urias or Tatis is what the Mets are asking for the Padres go elsewhere. Preller said no to that last year and I doubt he has changed his mind about that now.
Syndergaard has not proven he can stay healthy. He is not an Ace. An Ace pitches every games and he has pitched just 32 games in the last 2 seasons. Less than 1 season of starts in 2 seasons.
Contending teams don’t have a single long-term solution at catcher, they have two good catchers with one getting slightly more starts.
The Mets SAID they want bullpen pieces. The Mets SAID they want a CF. The Mets SAID they want a catcher. What part of that is so hard to understand? They had one of the worst bullpens in baseball last year and they lost their closer to FA. They literally have no CF as of today because Van Wagenen said he would prefer to see Nimmo in RF and Lagares is not expected to open the season with the team.
The ownership has not specifically said they will increase payroll, so we know what that means. They are looking to go no higher than last season or to cut it. This is the Wilpon’s we are talking about. The owners that spent the lowest percentage of revenue on MLb payroll last season. To do that they will have to move some unmovable contracts like Frazier or Swarzak or Vargas along by attaching them to one of the few valuable pieces they have like Syndergaard and that means less valuable pieces returning to the Mets. That is the reality of trades when you have to cut payroll.
They may have interest in Reed instead of Jankowski and if they do, buh bye to Reed, but the Mets have said they want MLB players, not prospects that are a couple years away. They want to continue to compete in the East. That means no prospects that won’t make the 2019 roster.
#1, Paxton made 20 more starts in the past 2 seasons than Syndergaard. 20. That is a huge number.
#2 Paxton put up a 3.40 ERA and a 121 ERA- in the AL the last 2 seasons, Syndergaard a 3.02 ERA and a 124 ERA- in the NL. Not much difference in performance.
#3 Sheffield would have been the #6 – #8 prospect in the Padres farm system, depending on which list you follow. So that means Urias is off the table. by your logic, if the Mets wanted a starting pitcher back then maybe Morejon or Baez would be included as the headliner of a trade for Syndergaard.
#4 The Mets need a catcher, a CF, and bullpen help.
Why are you so set on the Padres moving Urias? That is NOT a position of need for the Mets.
ALL of the rest of those players would be top 10 prospects in the Mets organization. Not happening. Preller said no to less at the trade deadline.
I don’t think that is the intention based on the story. I think Tatis would move to 3B. He is probably would be a better defender there anyway.
These 2 mediocre GM’s put their teams in this position.
Now they’re shifting the deck chairs on the Titanic and sounding the “all clear” to their fans and owners.
These GM’s are embarrassing to watch; as they forever go in circles.
I don’t agree with your assessment of AJ but I absolutely love the analogy!
AJ will continue to move 3 cups around after dropping the pea under one, then ask the owner and fans which cup it’s under. They’ll be ever optimistic, think they got him figured, but…..
In 2-3 years the exasperated owner will turn all the cups over, only to find no pea. His security people will find it up AJ’s sleeve.
Hes going into year 5 and was extended and just short of a year ago for three additional years through 2022. Ownership doesn’t agree with your assessment..
Ownership also ok’d the Hosmer deal – so they may very well be terrible evaluators.
This would be a great deal for SD
Exactly. No way this happens as is. Segura has significant surplus value, and Leake has minor or neutral surplus value.
I’m having a hard time understanding this from the M’s perspective
Save money.
Yea, but they’re also giving up Jean Segura. Segura on his own could bring back something decent.
I get that they want to save some money, but it’s not like Segura is lacking in value. And I get that Leake doesn’t have the most desirable contract right now, but I wouldn’t say it’s awful.
It’s a stupid trade for mariners, unless they get prospects from Padres and flip meyers for more.
The Mariners have publicly stated that they are not looking to contend until 2021. It’s a money dump and they come out more than $20 million ahead. That makes alot of sense.
No, it really doesn’t make sense
Yes, it does. The Mariners are looking to cut payroll. They have publicly said they are not looking to contend for 3 seasons. This deal, especially if you add a couple of mid-level (45 FV) prospects makes a ton of sense for the Mariners.
1. The original rumored proposal of Wil Myers, Jean Segura, Mike Leake doesn’t make sense. WITH prospects, yes, it does.
2. The Mariners (Dipoto) said 2020-2021 is their target year. So the publically saying they won’t contend for three seasons is incorrect.
Who said “they arnt going to contend for 3 years” and when did he say it.?
– or is it 1 reporter quoting another, quoting another; and everyone believes it.
Dumping value doesn’t mean trading away surplus value players for less than their worth. It means trading for cheaper assets.
You’re not getting Segura for Meyers. My goodness.
No. The Ms have publically said they want to get younger and more athletic, and bring in players who can help in 2020-2021. This trade does none of those things. That is why it doesn’t pass the smell test.
Mariners need to stop trading for major league talent all the time. The Paxton trade was a step in the right direction, but this trade here doesn’t make any sense from The M’s point of view.
The padres would have to be sending at least 1 rule 5 guy to Seattle…possibly more
Segura has positive value and should not be moved in STRICTLY a salary swap. That’d be one of the worst things to do. They need to grab a couple prospects with it. At least one. Otherwise it’d be an awful move. Though the 20MM we save is nice, it still wouldn’t make too much sense IMO.
I like this for the Padres. An infield of Hosmer, Urias, Segura, and Tatis. Leake can provide some decent innings while the young guys learn. Hopefully, for the Padres they don’t have to send any of their best pitching prospects like Gore.
Dipoto, repeat after me. Quality over quantity. Now look at this trade AND SHUT IT DOWN!
This would be a crazy deal if that’s all the Ms would be getting. Looks like a salary dump for the Ms. But damn, that would be a real good pick up for the padres!
If this happens, DiPoto needs to resign
If history is any indication, he doesn’t resign until midseason.
he’s gonna be forced to re-sign over this report so he’s taking everyone down with him
I may be one of the last Padre fans to like Myers and would hate to see him go, but acquiring a player of Segura’s ilk would make it a lot easier to swallow. This would allow the Padres to keep both Renfroe and Reyes, who could provide some very cheap power next season with the adjustments they made last year.
My opinions have always been pretty in line with your thinking and this one would be no different. agreed.
Of course you would. Segura is way more valuable than Meyers.
I don’t want Wil Myers.
I know. What team would want a 30 HR 20 SB player? I mean that is just stupid to want players like that.
Look at their actual WAR over the past 3 seasons instead of cherry picking random stats.
Cherry picking random stats is kinda just what he does
… who is injury prone, strikes out in 27.4% of his PA’s and is about to start making $22.5m a year
Myers hit .253 with 11 homers 39 RBI and 13 stolen bases in another injury shortened season. He is not a 30 homer guy anymore and you cant count on 20 stolen bases either. He never plays enough games
I like that AJ is being creative and trying to make some sensible moves. This makes all the sense in the world for our team. We still have an outfield problem. Maybe throw in Spangenberg in this deal
Spangenberg was DFA. The OF would be LF – Renfroe, CF – Margot, RF – Reyes with Jankowski and Cordero as the backups.
Both teams are under the gun, Gm’s won’t be there when they are good. They are now feeder teams for the contenders.
Then why would they be trading with each other? That makes absolutely no sense at all.
Even as an A’s fan, I still think Dipoto needs to put down the Henny.
Dipoto is a terrible gm. Can they trade him?
Dipoto literally ran 2 franchises into the ground past 10 years…and basically had overwhelming fan support in the process.
Dude’s real career should be on MLB Network or ESPN — dude can talk, it’s just that most everything that pours out of his mouth is bullshit.
How do you figure?
You can make that argument abouts Angels, but the M’s where a hot mess when he took over. At worst, his tenure has been mixed thus far.
Anybody can take a hot mess and continue to lose LOL
But that’s not what you said. You said he “literally ran 2 franchises into the ground past 10 years.” You should check facts before posting.
So you’re saying the franchise was already ran into the ground and after 4 years is still crap??? Ok i agree. But what is Dipotos job if that is the case?
What facts am i missing…your opinion? Then yes im missing that bc its coming from a loser
In three seasons with Dipoto as GM, Mariners average 84 wins and in contention for at least the wildcard in 2/3. I believe that is actually a willing record.
Last three under Preller, Pads average less than 70. Not the tiniest sniff of contention.
I know, you say, “same number of playoffs games”. Sure, true, but at least we have had some fun and a chance to dream.
Believe me, I get the bitterness than can turn a good person into a troll. Still, get the back under the bridge, troll!
As a Ms fan… I want Dipoto gone! At best he creates mediocre teams. At worst he acts like he has this awesome plan but has no idea what he is doing.
I think he’s had his hands tied with bad contracts in both teams he’s GM’d. The reason we have to “reimagine” right now is largely due to Jack Z contracts (Hernandez, Cano, Seager) and a poor timeline of young talent. Jack Z prospects (Hultzen, Ackley, Smoak, Franklin, Walker…ect). Remember when we traded Vargas for nothing n Fister for nothing? Jack Z put us in a bad spot. Under Dipoto we’ve been competitive despite what he inherited. I’d give Dipoto 3-4 more years n see what our team looks like after he’s out from unde Jack Z’s handiwork. And for the angels situation, I think ownership was behind their albatross contracts. Dipoto hates free agency.
Doesnt Wil Myers have at least a limited no trade clause? And really the deal would be Myers for Seagura Leake is a throw in because of his horrible contract
No NTC for Myers. But the contract in and of itself functions as a bit of a NTC cuz no one wants it.
Well, no one but the Mariners apparently.
More like Myers for Leake. Segura’s for prospects.
Please AJ don’t do it! That Mike Leake contract is stupid he is freaking 32
You get Jean Segura till 2023 and just have to deal with Mike Leake for 2 years? Done. Leakes owed 16 mill in 2019 and 15 mill in 2020 and 5 mill buyout on his mutual option in 2021.
Didnt this article say the Cards are on the hook for 9M of the option?
So we get a shortstop for his 29-33 year old seasons and we pay him 75 mil…there are almost no good 30 year old shortstops, look at this list
http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/position/ss/minage/29/maxage/33
He might put up 5-6 WAR the rest of his entire career.
$60.4 million.
http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/position/ss/minage/29/maxage/29
The Cardinals are paying $5m in 2019 and $4m in 2020 on Leake’s contract per Cots.
Makes absolutely no sense for The Mariners. They could instead trade Jean Segura for a decent return, yet they’re going to throw him in a deal with Mike Leake for Wil Myers. Saves The M’s some money, but that’s about it.
Not even that much since the Cardinals are still paying a fairly significant portion of Leake’s contract.
There would obviously be more pieces going to the Mariners
If not, why would the Ms do this deal?
The Ms have a ton of money form their TV deal and have no need to give away players due to their salary unless your name is Seager or Cano.
Interesting trade, but have a feeling it wouldn’t just be Myers for Segura + Leake. I’d like it for the Padres since Myers doesn’t seem to fit in and they could use Segura and Leake. If the Padres want to sniff .500 in 2019 they need to shake up the roster.
Myers and M’s get to pick 2 to 3 from Gettys, Oliveras, Guerra, Avila, and other rule 5 prospects Padres have left off the 40.
Leake isn’t much of a salary dump. Myers is much more of a salary dump. And Segura can’t be gotten with some Rule 5 guys.
Uh, no. Be real.
Doesn’t seem like a good deal for the Mariners unless they get more
Are the braves not even a factor in the Sil Myers talks? He would fill a need, be in a ballpark that fits his skills… Padres are still rebuilding, we have the piece to help that… right? We have been pretty strong trade partners in the past, seems like we can both benefit from a deal
Wil *. Typo
It’s leak for Myers and then segura for a few prospects prob.
Seattle has already cleared $12M next year and more in 2020 by dealing Paxton and Zunino…presumably additional space created by this deal would be used in free agency?
SEA gets Eric Hosmer and 10 additional sunny days per year
SD gets the Amazon headquarters.
Last place again next year for the padres.
2501, that they year youre projecting to move out of your moms basement and get a life? Seems rather ambitious of you.
We don’t have basements in San Diego dummy.
That’s strange, because I have a basement that runs the length of my house. So what you are really saying is that is the year you are projecting moving out of your mom’s garage?
Ah, east county trash. Makes sense now.
Is Segura a clubhouse cancer? He gets traded often.
I think it’s more the teams that acquire him don’t really know what they’re doing in life.
Well there was the locker room fight with Gordon this year.
No money saved and Segura has the years to be there for when they project to be in”win now mode” in 2021. I’m getting tired of Dipoto. He needs to trade himself.
$27.9 million saved. Leake is guaranteed $36 million. Segura is guaranteed $60.4 million. Totals $91.4 million. Myers is guaranteed $68.5 million.
If the Mariners pass on the $9 million the Cardinals are paying of Leake’s salary, that is still $18.9 million saved.
You’re right. Was wrong on the money but the M’s really don’t need to cut money. They have one of the best TV contracts out there. I don’t know man, it’s stressful being a M’s fan.
The Mariners don’t “pass on money”, the Cardinals pay Leake.
Nope. The money is paid to the team. The Mariner’s can opt to keep that money.
Did Seattle give them the no trade clause or is it service time?
Seattle gave it to them
Didn’t the Cardinals include it in Leake’s deal originally?
My bad. Was thinking of Kyle Seager.
You’re wrong red rooster
I’m going to “hold you accountable” (quoting you if you didn’t realize)
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/08/cardinals-nearing-trade-of-mike-leake.html
LOL JK just wanted to feel whats it like to be a loser
Lol. I was thinking of Segura and Seager, rather than Segura and Leake. Joke’s on me I guess.
Yeah, the Cardinals gave Leake the NTC. I’m still correct that Leake’s NTC was part of the contract, not from achieving 10-and-5 rights.
Funny. You gotta know that any Mariners fan (like any Padres fan) knows intimately what it feels like to be a loser.
I suspect Seattle GM Jerry Dipoto is likely to keep the long-term assets:
Four years of All Star outfielder Mitch Haniger, who this year posted 4.6 fWAR, valued at $36.7 million
Four years of elite All Star closer Edwin Diaz, who this year posted 3.5 fWAR. valued at $28.1 million
Four years of outfielder Mallex Smith, who this year posted 3.4 fWAR, valued at $27.4 million
Five years of lefthander Marco Gonzales, who this year posted 3.6 fWAR, valued at $30.4 million.
Near league minimum 2019 salaries await Haniger, Diaz and Smith, who this year combined for $92.2 million in value. Pursuant to settlement of a grievance with the Cardinals, Gonzales will earn $900,000 in 2019.
Would you really call any of those “assets” besides Diaz/Haniger? and they have been good for what? 2 whole seasons now
This team has nothing of value beside maybe 3 players on its big league roster…I mean how does that even happen? Especially with overwhelming fan support?
Three-plus win players under team control for at least four seasons and earning the league minimum in 2019 are most certainly assets.
So no value what-so-ever on the farm or roster except those 4 players…got it!
FanGraphs ranked Jean Segura among the Top 50 trade values this year:
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2018-trade-value-1-to-10/
Fangraphs? are you serious? Well then Dave Cameron will get it done if that’s true. LOL check mate.
Thing is that list was just click bait for pawns, had to write something. Writers don’t get paid unless they do, so you really think they mean everything they write? there are no good 30 year old shortstops
Only a troll repeatedly misstates the ages of involved players.
You realize the season starts in April? And he is 29 in the first season of the contract but is over 30 for the last 4 years of the contract? You’re talking as if he will be 28 forever
Your comments are consistently wrong.
So the Segura contract is not for his 29-33 year seasons??????????????????
I just used the internet to look it up lol
The Padres have 10 prospects ranked among MLB.com’s Top 100 list:
http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2018?list=sd
With the surplus value of Jean Segura’s contract and the negative value of Wil Myers’ contract, some of those top prospects need to be involved.
Nothing from the top 5. And don’t get stuck on needing a top 5 prospect from the other team’s system. The Padres’ #6-10 prospects would all rank #2 in the Mariners’ system.
Agreed. I think probably a 6-10 pitcher, an 11-15 pitcher, and a rule 5 guy would probably do it as long as the NTCs are waived.
If the Padres were not eating Leake’s contract along with all of Segura’s contract then maybe. As it is the Mariners probably won’t get any ranked prospects.
Jean Segura has positive value (ranked 49th on FanGraphs trade value list) and Mike Leake has at least neutral value (two years and net $27 million left after posting 3.6 fWAR, valued at $28.4 million, in 36 starts with Seattle).
Wil Myers likely has negative value with four years and $64 million remaining after posting 1.6 fWAR, valued at $12.6 million, this year with a Steamer projection of only 1.9 WAR in 2019.
Segura’s contract is a steal. No need to “eat it”. Go sign Machado n leave the M’s alone in that case. Segura’s contract adds to his trade value.
The problem with your logic: Leake is more valuable than Myers (higher WAR, cheaper contact). Segura is by far the most valuable player involved. To make it fair, there would have to be considerable young talent coming to Seattle.
There are no good 30 year old short stops, so why would we want one?
Jean Segura is 28 years old and has posted 11.9 fWAR, valued at $94.5 million, over the past three seasons:
https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5933&position=SS#value
Right….so many short stops and even baseball players in general…in fact this generally applies to all sports in general: Players are typically better in their 25-28 year old seasons as compared to their 29-33 years old seasons. Sorry I had to be the one to tell you this obvious fact of life.
And there are currently NO GOOD 30 year old short stops.
Best years are 26-30. Then players start declining at an average of 7% per year after that. The Padres get his age 29 and age 30 seasons and then start seeing his decline.
Simmons turns 30 next season. I doubt he falls off a cliff.
He is always injured bro LOLOLOL
You found one name on the list to try and prove your point and its “mr. glass”
Pads need to dump Hosmer too. What a disaster of a contract that is going to be. He’s garbage.
Name all the current first baseman who has won a gold glove and a silver slugger…he is on a very bad team. He will turn it around.
So basically you want to pay $20m a year for name value and what a guy used to be able to do? When the Padres already had a working first baseman signed to an immovable contract and one of the game’s better 1st base prospects?
lolkden
According to everyone on this thread you only need to put up 2.2 WAR to be worth 20 mil….you know like Mike Leake lol
Hosmer has averaged 1.9 WAR/year the past 4 years running.
Ok proves my point bc iglasis a 2 war pitcher will make 20 mil lol
Oh juiceman many are not impressed by what Hosmer did in the past as its not relevant to his current contract
Again according to Fangraphs he only has to put up 2.2 WAR a year to earn his contract.
But paying Mike Leake 17 mil a year is a great idea????
Seattle owes Mike Leake $27 million over the next two seasons after the righthander has posted 3.6 fWAR, valued at $28.4 million, in 36 starts with the Mariners.
It’s not a great idea to pay Leake $17 million a year when he’s owed millions less than that.
It is what it is with Hosmer cant really do anything there.
Yea besides have a top 10 first baseman locked up for the next 7 years lol
A Tatis JR,Segura,Urias,Hosmer,Hedges/Mejia infield would look pretty good. Franmil Reyes and Hunter Renfroe at the corners and Margot/Franchy Cordero at CF/4th OF.
I’d guess the M’s would be interested in Austin Allen in return after they traded Zunino. Could be a good match as Allen is a rule 5 roster crunch guy..
Nobody deals with the Padres to dump salary. Foolish to think there wouldn’t be a significant prospect the Ms are eyeing.
Else they would just dump those contracts on the Yankees instead of taking Myers’ salary.
Except… all the teams that have.
Padres will add MLB ready prospects. This is pretty much Myers for Leake along with Segura for prospects. Don’t get too excited SD fans.
I’d bet Urias gets added to this deal
I bet he doesn’t.
More likely Mejia or Hedges. You’re right n maybe one other mid level prospect going to M’s too.
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Urias is our 2B next season. Asuaje and Pirela surprisingly still on 40 man but they both have minor league options left and will be quickly dropped once we make a deal for Thor and sign Moustakas
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I bet you were dropped on your head as a child. Repeatedly.
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Rea, Cordoba and Spangenberg DFA’d.
Austin Allen, Paddack, Ty France (yea!), Olivares, Espinoza, Avila and Reyes added to the 40-man roster.
I was pretty sure they would add Reyes after the way he pitched this season and in Mexico in the Winter Leagues.
Seattle GM Jerry Dipoto’s trades typically are not preceded by leaks.
I suspect the agents for Jean Segura and Mike Leake, who must be consulted regarding no-trade clauses, are the sources of this information.
Or not.
They may not be typically preceded by leaks…but are typically followed by tons of laughter.
You’re right. Walker/Marte for Haniger/Segura has left me laughing for 2 years now.
And vogelbach? You literally could have got something special but your gm got him…ate his way out of the league.
Yeah, Tyler O’Neill for Marco Gonzales was hilarious too.
You do realize that the player your team is trying to acquire is worth way more now that what it cost the M’s to pick him up.
But somehow the Ms still suck and now need a “reimagined” 5 year rebuild…with overwhelming fan support…sheepp baaaaaa
Seager for Myers would make more sense, but I get the interest in Leake. Seattle has a glaring hole at catcher, so I wonder if Hedges is coming up in the conversation as well.
For whom? Seager is 3 years older and in steep decline. His next stop is the trash heap of history.
If Kyle Seager ends up in the “trash heap” he may well keep Wil Myers company there.
Seager, who has three years and about $57 million left on his contract, is projected by Steamer to post 2.6 WAR in 2019:
https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=9785&position=3B
Myers, who has four years and $64 million left on his contract, is projected by Steamer to post 1.9 WAR in 2019:
https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=10047&position=1B/OF
The slumping Seager has posted 5.2 fWAR over the last two seasons while Myers has posted 2.5 fWAR over the same period.
To add to that, Seager was playing with a broken toe last season on his push-off foot. That couldn’t have helped his offense.
Myer’s contract also has signing bonuses attached each year which brings his total up to 74 million with the buyout. Seager’s option for 2023 would be automatic in the event of a trade, so the money owed would be just about perfectly even in a Myers/Seager swap.
One bad contract for another, but San Diego would get a solid defensive option at 3B and Seattle would have an option for LF or 1B with some pop.
dealin dipoto
Pads fans are high if they think there are not significant prospects coming to Seattle in this deal.
Myers for Leake is more or less a wash in WAR value with Seattle taking on a lot of excess salary.
You just don’t dump a player providing premium production at a premium position for salary. Especially when it looks like Machado will be pushing $30M/yr in salary. Segura is a bargain by comparison.
I’d expect Mejia and a pitcher heading to Seattle in this deal.
I agree
I don’t expect a Seattle/San Diego deal involving Jean Segura, Mike Leake and Wil Myers.
You should listen to your own GM. This is a salary dump plain and simple.
Feel free to listen in to Seattle general manager Jerry Dipoto (after the James Paxton trade):
http://sports.mynorthwest.com/550089/mariners-gm-jerry-dipoto-paxton-trade/
Mariners aren’t salary dumping man lol. Trading younger n more controlled. Segura fits our window of contention, but if Dipoto can get 2-3 mlb ready prospects for him he will. Myers is apart of the trade because he doesn’t fit national league. Leake doesn’t fit our timeline either. It’s a repositioning of big contracts to teams of better fits. And segura for Prospects.
Nane the source where Dipoto said he was slashing payroll. You keep saying this, but its not true.
He has started multiple times that they want to get younger and more athletic, and plan to complete in 2020-2021. If they simply wanted to slash payroll, Myers wouldn’t be in this deal.
Yup. The Pads have a great farm system, so there are many possibilities. But there would need to be significant young talent included to balance out the deal.
The Mariners have saved at least 40 million this off-season. I wouldn’t be too surprised to see them trade their closer, Diaz, and possibly Colome if his value is high. People make fun of his trades but they are looking very good. If I were them I’d get a couple deals ready for just after the rule 5 draft, and make a selection from it or two while trading a couple sell high candidates. Corner outfield, 2nd, and 1st/dh are deep so they should cash in some cheap chips, while not getting appreciable worst with free agent signings. They could sign Lucroy, a couple bp pieces, a dh, a 1st baseman, all while trading for Syndergard, saving money and setting themselves up for a big 2020.
Diaz/segura/Seager for Thor/Jay Bruce
I’d do it if I were Seattle. However, I think the Mets would want a key prospect or two from Seattle because of Seaver’s high cost and Thor being an Ace.
We are fans, no owners, I don’t care if they save money, I’d like to see a good team no the Seattle Marlins
Hoping to win in two years…….the new slogan for M’s season ticket sales .
Apparently so pithy , printed twice
All-Star SS + quality 3/4th starter… all for a good 1B/DH/OF?
There better be some quality prospects involved. Especially when Seattle will be lacking in two key areas… SS and SP.
We’ll get 2 of these 3 type of prospects in this trade: an mlb ready pitcher, mlb ready catcher, mlb ready middle infielder out of this deal. I’d say Hedges and Urias. Padres fans don’t realize that prospects are unproven talent. Severely less valued than proven commodities such as segura. See the Paxton deal. Yankees fans thought Scheffield was absolutely only leaving if they got Cluber. Paxton even w injury history is a proven commodity over Scheffields 5 mlb appearances. And that was the Yankees #1 prospect. I remember when Wil Myers was the #1 prospect in baseball. And what about Profar. Prospects aren’t valued as high as y’all think.
Padres. Aren’t. Trading. URIAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get that through your thick skull!
I’m wondering how Seattle got into this situation of a vast wasteland in the minor leagues?
I suspect it was Seattle’s conscious decision to neglect the narrowly defined farm in favor post-prospects with years of team control.
Twenty years ago prospects and farm systems represented the market inefficiency that few teams fully exploited. As with any market, the market inefficiency disappears when the inefficiency becomes widely recognized by the market players.
An undervalued stock is no longer undervalued when the demand for that stock goes up.
Seattle is probably gambling that the new market inefficiency entails post-prospects with years of team control.
Or not.
I think you have something with Seattle’s current front office. There appears to at least be a strategy in play now. How they got there is a different story.
I think you need to go back a little and look at the last two GM’s before Trader Jerry. Both Bavasi and Zdurencik got a little desperate to hold on to their jobs and sold off the future for attempts at enough wins to avoid the axe. What was a promising farm system was decimated in bad trades for fringe veterans.
I give Dipoto credit for doing the best he can with the tools provided. Sure there’s risk in the approach and you can question decisions like trading for Mallex Smith twice but at least it makes for interesting reading on MLBTR.
Clever. Makes sense. Haniger was one. Segura sort of. Fraley supposed to be one, too. Do the same with pitchers.
Myers is owed 74 million with the buyout included. 5.5m in 2019, 22.5 in 2020, 2021 and 2022, and the 1m buyout for 2023.At least according to BR and Spotrac. I know the original reported extension suggested 64 over this same span.
Regardless, this makes zero sense for Seattle without a young arm and catcher in the return with Myers.
Jon Morosi posted on twitter the talked about deal is Mike Leake for Wil Myers. Jean Segura was just asked about by San Diego just like the Yankees asked about him during the Paxton trade talks.