The Padres and Blue Jays are reportedly discussing a deal that would send Marcus Stroman to the friendly confines of San Diego, per sources close to MLB.com’s Jon Morosi.
The ongoing trade discussion would not include the uppermost echelon of Padres’ prospects, though Morosi names pitchers Logan Allen and Michael Baez as two prospects who could be on the table. Baez and Allen rank #7 and #8, respectively on MLB.com’s rankings of the Padres farm system, widely considered to be the best system in all of baseball.
For the Padres, it’s a good time to “buy-low” on Stroman, who is coming off easily his worst season in Toronto. He lost time to shoulder fatigue and a blister issue, finishing the year 4-9 with a 5.54 ERA in only 102 1/3 innings. GM A.J. Preller has been on the lookout for a veteran starter to help anchor their otherwise youthful rotation. At 28, with two years of team control remaining, Stroman certainly fits the mold.
The Blue Jays, meanwhile, appear ready to move on from their erstwhile ace. Though it was a rough 2018 for Stroman, he carries a 3.62 career FIP, marking a career worst 3.91 last year. The Reds were previously thought to be a logical trade partner, but the Padres young arms might be an ever better fit for the Blue Jays, who are a couple years from contending in a ruthless AL East. Already armed with some of the best position player prospects in the game, namely Vlad Guerrero Jr. and to a lesser degree, Bo Bichette, Toronto may view the arms in San Diego’s system as a better fit for their current timetable than Stroman.
It’s not a done deal by any means, but on the surface this appears like a solid match.
Tiny Stroman to tiny market. Perfect.
He seems pretty well equipped for larger market pressure.
Except in the height department.
Height Doesn’t Measure Heart
Pads should try to kick start things this year. NL West is opening up.
Not really rockies and dodgers are way out ahead.
Rockies got 2 years max left
That’s two years the Padres contend.
No way dude. They won’t even realistically start until the rox tap out
Really? Hampson, B-Rod, Nevin, Welker. Very promising IF upcoming. I’d consider Castellani, Lambert, Rico Garcia, Tinoco, Riley Pint, and David Hill talented enough that 2-3 should make it in order to replace Gray, Tyler Anderson, etc.
The only big piece the Rockies are set to lose anytime soon is Arenado. If they can contend in 2020 they can contend in the years after that.
Brendan Rodgers one of the top prospects in baseball with the Rockies
Okay. So Stroman leaves the Padres as a free agent just as the NL West (well, second place in the NL West) supposedly opens up.
We get it, you found their MLB Pipeline page.
Ski to coors. Rockies have never had an issue with hitting they have historic issues with pitching
I’d say there’s maybe 2 major league contributors in that group.
Rockies were one of the best rotations in 2018 and one of the worst hitting teams.
@ski to Coors Pretty much they have the talent to contend for a good few years. But will those players be good enough? Castellani struggled. Hill has not been healthy at all. Tinoco did well in the fall league as a reliever but struggled before that. Pint also hasnt been healthy. Lambert hasn’t pitched great in brief triple a action. Garcia looks like a senzatela type pitcher. Maybe a better ceiling. I agree on the infield depth. I think the Rockies can contend over the next few years. It really depends on how their pitching depth in the minors develops. It also depends on rolison and Feltner (who had a good year after being drafted last year).
Always comes down to whether the Rocks gave enough pitching…And they dont. It’s eirher too little pitching or not enough consistent pitching. If they moved the team, they MIGHT have a shot to be a REALLY good team.
NL West opening up? That’s news to me.
That’s news to everyone.
You mean the runner up to the Dodgers spot is opening up
You mean the Dodgers that tied the Rockies in the regular season and had to play a 163rd game? Unless the Dodgers go big in FA, that team is not as good today as it was at the end of last season.
Last time I checked opening day isn’t until March 28, so there’s ample time for the Dodgers to load up. With the moves they’ve made there’s room to add through trades, and if they want to spend they have the money.
Reading comprehension is fundamental. What part of “Unless the Dodgers go big in FA, that team is not as good today as it was at the end of last season” did you not understand? Seriously. Don’t get your panties in a bundle sweetheart. Your team is just not that good unless they make some major additions.
A season where everything went wrong for the Dodgers and right for the Rockies, and they still couldn’t win it. Rockies then got exposed horribly in October to the same team the Dodgers beat.
Sorry not my favorite team Beatrice. Again doesn’t matter how good they are today, just the start of the season.
Be careful, you’re starting to sound like a Cubs fan.
Everything went right for the Rockies? Did you see the #’s that came from investing in a bunch of high-price bullpen pieces…it was s dumpster fire for 80% of the season.
Not your favorite team but you Dodger Yankee fans like to suck each other off.
AND!!!…Kershaw is on the decline. Beuhler is the ace…but that team can’t win a WS without Kershaw.
@cereal
So in other words you agree with you Daddy! That is what he said!
How did everything go right for the Rockies?
Dodgers getting Klubot and Harper.
This story ain’t about the Dodgers. Moron.
Who cares
Moro
You cared enough to click and comment.
I care
Do the padres actually think they can contend in the west this year?
Or possibly a buy low sell high at the deadline
I think they could contend for a wild card with a few moves like this.
The giants have a better shot than the padres
Your “fandom” makes other Nyy fans look bad
And that’s saying something.
Is that even possible?
We will be lucky to be in third place, but respect to you for not trolling the Padres.
Probably not, but Stroman would do great at Petco.
If they win a championship you’ll change your name to YankeesWarriorsPatriotsPadres
If they win 4 rings in the next 10 years, then we’re cooking
When was the last time there was a ring ceremony in the Bronx? Been a decade since they last saw a ticker tape parade. Kinda sad to be a Yankees fan and root for the Patriots. We will rename you frontrunner. You have no team, just whoever is won at some point.
Lmao you’re so mad!
YourDaddy, I think the guy is a troll. His name is a play on another user ( a guy called MetsYankeesRedSox) who posts on this site and is a shameless bandwagoner.
Agree, Thank you, SixFlagsMagicPadres!
I know you’re not the biggest fan of me but…
Don’t forget his avatar is a play on mine lol
Who is Yourdaddy?
Well almost agree. Even though agree he’s trolling MYRS, for the record I don’t think you’re a shameless bandwagoner, MYRS!
Mets in your name instantly negated that IMO
Or just shorten it Frontrunner…
Stroman will pitch well for the Padres. A change of scenery is do for him. He will succeed with them
How did you get the ability to see into future? Who else will succeed with such certainty? What are the next power ball numbers?
Good move by the Padres. Stroman could possibly have a bounce-back season. Atleast San Diego is trying to do something. However, I hope Keachel doesn’t go to San Diego. I want the Braves to either get him or Kluber.
ATL has a lot more prospects than $$$ to give up – and there’s so much more risk in Keuchel and his committed dollars than Kluber and his. But, will CLE sell?
San Diego farm is way deeper. You forget how many high celinf they signed in 2016
He isn’t comparing the Braves and Padres systems. He’s commenting how the Braves have a better chance at trading for a piece than signing one
Ian Kinsler not Kinsley
productive comment for a mistake.
Sir Kingsley ?
Wow. Good fit for that team. Young and controllable too.
Really hope Atkins doesn’t trade Stroman for his current value. Could potentially be a bounceback candidate in 2019
That how things work.
I’m pretty sure that’s taken into consideration…
The names being discussed… I’m sure real SD fans understand… this would be a terrible move for SD. Baez has a nuclear arm, and Logan Allan is picked by many scouts as one of the top sleeper prospects in the game.
I’m a real SD fan and Stroman would certainly be worth Baez. I’m a little reticent about Allen, but, OK.
Stroman was a 3.5 WAR pitcher in both 2016 and 2017. Shoulder issues last year, but certainly a bounceback candidate. Love prospects, but some are gonna have to be moved. It’s inevitable.
I agree! I think Stroman would to great in the big park!
He would be the pitcher the Padres need.
Fangraphs WAR says he’s had three 3+ War seasons, but Baseball Reference WAR says he’s only had one season of 5 WAR and every other season has been 0.2-1.9. Still, I’d rather see them trade Baez over Allen if they’re going through with it.
Logan Allen was the 1 disliked being included in the Kimbrell deal. think he could be a decent mid rotation guy eventually. Bigger than he was listed, or looked like it when saw him pitch a game in the GCL for Boston and he pitched like he knew he had a plan.
Many IMG kids located here in Florida get drafted, but this kid’s got a real chance.
And that’s what makes you guys who you are. I dont fault you. It’s a beach town.
You are so right about prospects. One in 5 top 100 prospects make the majors and stick as an above average regular. Moving one prospect even if he turns out to be very good is not fatal for a franchise, even a team like the Padres with no money to spend on top FA. They are never going to compete with the Yankees for anyone Cashman really wants to sign. That is a given. But they do have the prospects to trade for guys like this. Seems to me the Padres need RHP too.
But why trade prospects for him when they are ferociously unlikely to contend in the next 2 years even with him and then he will just leave?
If Stroman bounces back, then he’d be a top trade candidate in July for the next two years. All it takes is one desperate team to believe they are one piece away.
The Yankees can’t sign everyone. Sure on a $ basis probably not gonna win a fight over Harper or Machado. But next year plenty of great FAs are gonna be available, and teams like the Yankees and Dodgers still want to be under the luxury threshold
Baez I’m ok with
Logan Allen not so much
That’s a little steep
Take off Allen and add in cal jr I’m semi ok with
Why would Toronto do that deal? Why not wait and deal for more with someone else?
Kinda like Jose De Leon & Jeff Hoffman. Anderson Espinosa and lucas giolito
Three years ago all these guys were cant miss.
Get Stroman
Padres can get Stroman without giving up anyone if they just wait two years (in which they aren’t going to contend with Stroman anyway)
Im thinking we can compete.
Wait and wait and wait. Can sit and wait and spin the wheels forever. And in two years there will be others in the bidding.
Screw waiting. Move forward.
@csspackler there will be others in the bidding two years from now if they trade for him too. So what’s your point?
@juicemane I didn’t know you play for the Padres!
@redrooster,
You’re a chicken,
4 games back or better, late August. Book it.
@juicemane I will book(mark) it (this thread) and laugh my ass off when you’re wrong.
fwiw, CSSpackler used to work for the Padres back in the 80’s
Yup! Get him Preller! Big game pitcher, Young, WBC championship experience, playoff experience, San Diego needs that in the rotation.
3 years ago Stoman was a cant miss.
I’d still give Espinoza a chance. Another guy I got several looks at in Ft Myers as just a 17yo and he was dominating the opposition with upper 90’s heat and a nice slider. Nobody could touch him.
He’s still only 20yo and plenty of time to come back from TJ. They release him (just saying) and 29 other teams would leap at the chance to snag him up.
or Kluber or Trea Turner. Trades can go both ways. They should pay the value they think Stroman is worth. The thing with Allen though is that he’ll be ready to pitch next year. He’s the kind of guy you want to learn from stroman.
It would be better if just one of either Allen or Baez was involved and not both of them. Stroman kind of scares me. I know he’s had some success in the past, but his injuries are something to take note of, especially since he’s a smaller guy (for a pitcher).
You think that’s bad? You should go on Twitter. Everyone is saying that Baez and Allen are trash. They all want Gore and Paddack… Granted, all baseball fans hate the Padres and the would love nothing more than to watch us fail over and over.
If many scouts say it, is he really a sleeper?
So much for competing in the “best division in baseball.” Poor Stroman.
Neither of those teams are in the NL Central?
AL East was the only division with three 90-win teams in 2018.
No other division got to play Baltimore 76 times, either.
NL central lol
Is Ian Kinsley a new Friars pitcher?
No hes been around a while hes a second baseman.
Makes more sense for the Reds even after their recent pickups.
*Ian Kinsler
As a Jays fan … Damn. Stroman is hell of a talent, my favourite player actually. When healthy definitely a top two pitcher in a rotation. Very athletic, extremely competitive. If this deal happens, the Padres are getting a very good one if not a great one in Stroman. Really wonder what this Jays management is doing ever since they’ve taken over .. Stroman has shown ace abilities in the past when he’s been healthy, as pitched a couple 200 inning seasons, and he’s young enough to be a factor for a rebuilding team in the future. So why trade him ? Atkins has done awful as the Jays GM so far. Botched the Encarnacion deal, signs awful Kendrys Morales to 3 years .. trades Donaldson way too late .. now sells low on the best pitcher on the team, who is a potential ace… This is becoming a joke if you ask me.
He may have thrown 200, but even then he was far from an ace.. Plus hes had major injury concerns. I agree he can still be good, great delivery and young enough to bounce back. Needs a change of scenery.
When healthy he’s one of the best in the game. I’m from Toronto. I would know. Sanchez is the question mark.. Stroman is 200 innings pitcher when healthy, with a low 3era. Let’s not forget he pitched in Toronto… in the al east.
Oh you live there? Well, you must know what you are talking about then.
Stroman is an extremely talented pitcher who has shown high-ceiling talent while pitching in a difficult division. That much is true. Despite that, his peripherals have never suggested he is absolutely elite. In fact, his fip scores in 2016/17 suggest he was a fair bit worse than his era appears. Only his initial breakout into the league trended into elite territory. He is a well-above average pitcher when he’s right, but not really in the category of “one of the best in the game.”
Hey that’s a really hot take! Seriously, I’ve not heard it repeated 1,000 times before by others who similarly don’t have a clue. Botched the Encarnacion deal? Not a chance., Made a generous offer which EE declined, then quickly moved on, took the pick and now has the best pitching prospect in the org in Nate Pearson. Some botch!! Nowadays there is no world where EE and his $20 million albatross salary is worth anywhere near Nate Pearson. The joke is anyone who thinks that’s a botch.
I’m a fan of the current front office in Toronto. From what I read I’m in the minority. I just don’t understand why jays fans have issue/don’t understand what the front office is doing. They inherited an old team. The rebuild was inevitable, even if AA was still the GM. The constant hate on Atkins and Shapiro is tired. Has there been some questionable or bad moves…they took a gamble on Donaldson by waiting until the trade deadline. They lost that gamble. We are quick to use hindsight. I for one didn’t expect him to basically not play and lose all his value. Remember AA made bad moves too.
I don’t know what is going to be harder…listening to jays fans whine now or in a few years listening to to very same fans talk about how great the jays are when they are winning again. Thank god all the fans that 2015/2016 brought out of the woodwork weren’t around from 1994-2014…their heads would have exploded.
Never was a big Stro fan. Too volatile to be an ace or team leader. And after injuries last year, he seems destined to be the next Ricky Romero. If the Jays can get two good young arms in return, I’d make this deal in a heartbeat and roll the dice with Sanchez this year. Not really much to lose. Plus, Stroman wants to hit, so he should be in the NL.
don’t know SD farm but not a fan of moving Stroman for anything less than 2 top 100 prospects+. Dude has had one injured year. if this were Sanchez I’d be fine with it
The two mentioned are top 100
Not a fan of this. 6 years of Allen or Baez for 2 of stroman?
Padres aren’t gonna be competitive in 2019 and should dump older rotation options to clear room for the young arms.
2019 should he a year tatis jr urias lucchesi allen quantril etc get majority of their experience.
What older rotation options are left? Richards was the last one.
No he wasnt- Mitchell Erlin Perdomo are still left. Strahm id keep as a reliever cause trying to make effective relievers into starters is harder than turning a starter into a reliever.
That’s a bit of a stretch to say “older” Mitchell is 27, Erlin 28, Perdomo 25.
Erlin is the oldest at 28. Mitchell is 26, Perdomo 25. That’s old?
Maybe older wasnt the best choice of words. I meant older as is guys we’ve seen already. Not by age. Erlin Perdomo have had their chances. Time to see what the younger arms have.
I think any team would deal 6 years of middling sp spec for 2 of proven young mlb innings guy.
2 years of stroman isnt worth dealing allen or Baez at this point.
Stroman isnt gonna make them world series contenders in 2019 or 2020. Allen and Baez with 6 years have better chances of being a piece during the padres contention window.
If you’re dealing Baez or allen youd better be getting minimum 4 years of service time for the 2019 2020 2021 and 2022 season.
Not a rebuilding team. And idk if I’d call Allen or Baez “middling”
Trade Sanchez instead! Zero chance Sanchez and Boras stay with Toronto. Stroman has said before he wants to stay in Toronto.
Stroman has more value. Sanchez is so injury prone
He’s had blisters, not injuries. In fact stro’s had the more worrying injury history.
Anyone else feel like Blue Jays are selling low..?
Oh well, If I was Jays fan, the team I’d most want to trade with, would be the team with the #1 farm system, by far.
Let’s go Preller! Get him, L. Allen and Baez are fine for him.
I’d love if this got done before Christmas. An early present to Padres fans.
#7 and #8 prospect is buying low?
And would be #1 or #2 in a lot of farm systems
Especially in the padres farm systems that’s most teams 3 and 4 if not higher
I think the story implies either/or … not both.
If they’ve got both Allen and Baez involved in the deal, then they might as well use them as part of a bigger package, go back to the Mets, and get Thor (who has an extra year of control over Stroman).
“Extra year of control over Stroman” and u forgot…
BETTER!
Thor may be injury-prone, but his ERA wasn’t 5.54
It would take more than that for Thor, but I do agree SD should aim high if they are trading 2-3+ solid prospects.
I’ve wanted the Yankees to get stroman for a few years now as I’m a huge fan of his. The jays selling low on him is a HUGE mistake
I’d love the Mets to make a run at him bc his upside is legit. Unfortunately the Mets have a middle of the pack farm system and already traded away two solid prospects in the Cabo deal…ugh.
Fire Atkins. Guys is a clown. If this trade goes through it better be both these prospects, not just one of them.. or else truly fire this joke of a gm, who’s done absolutely nothing with his time as a Jays gm. He didn’t even sign Vladdy, it was Anthopoulos… this is becoming a clown show if you ask me.
Who traded for Josh Johnson, Jose Reyes, Tulowitzkie, R..A. Dickey? Who traded was Syndergaard? Anthopolis.
Enough from you
Who traded for Josh Johnson, Jose Reyes, Tulowitzkie, R..A. Dickey? Who traded away Syndergaard? Anthopolis.
Enough from you
So what ? Neither of those guys hurt the financial flexibility of the club. Neither of them those contracts were bad except for the Tulo one. And Jose Reyes was horrendous at the time and we needed to upgrade to get Tulo. And while Anthopoulos traded many “prospects” they all turned out to be major trash other then Syndergaard. While don’t bring up Donaldson .. JD was an mvp, and we traded him for a guy who’s already out the league and Lawrie. Know your baseball. Anthopoulos won us a division in over 20 years, and nearly one won us a championship. And gave away absolutely nothing to make it happen .. other then Syndergaard. He took on money and traded away a bunch of prospects who didn’t amount to anything … so you’re wrong again. When Anthopoulos took over, the Toronto Blue Jays were a joke of an organization. We had absolutely nothing other then Doc Halladay and Vernon Wells. Alex Anthopoulos built the Blue Jays to relevance again. Guys got old and her got let go and they brought in new people .. Anthopoulos also built a great “farm” at one point, if you remember. I recall him drafting, Sanchez, Stroman, Syndergaard.. Traded for Travis, Bautista, Encarnacion, Donaldson, signed Roberto Osuna .. Jays were a compete and utter joke prior to Anthopoulos getting there.
Yea nice try, AA was crap until he knew he wasn’t staying and traded everyone he could. His team’s were all crap until his final season. He made a lot of good moves, but just as many bad moves. Shapiro also took a shot at him saying that he’s building a winner that’s more sustainable than 2 years. 2015 and 2016 they were The oldest team in the league. That’s not how you build a prolonged winner.
Yeah hes done nothing. They have the 3rd ranked farm in baseball and is responsible for bichette, Biggio, guirrel, pardinho , Pearson, etc. He was left with an old roster thanks to golden boy Alex
What has he done exactly that’s been so bad. Hes done fairly well given the handcuffs he was placed into.
He was supposed to do what differently in your opinion? Trade Bautista and EE in the middle of our last Playoff run? After our last playoff run, no one wanted Bautista and EE was a free agent who declined Toronto’s better offer to stay,
Was signing Morales good in hindsight. No. But he was the best alternative at the time and no one foresaw the massive massive drop off he had at the plate.
When was he supposed to trade Tulo? To who and for what? It takes 2 Gms to make a trade, you dont get to just dump your trash for others treasures.
What could he have gotten for Ezekiel Carrera? Rajai Davis?
What was Travis worth the last 2 years?
Donaldson gave the impression he wanted to stay and was vocal about enjoying the city and fans etc. He was an MVP. You cant just dump him when he sells 10k tickets a game by himself. The trade talk and injuries got to him and we didn’t get good value. Its happened to every team and will happen again.
They got decent value for Happ. They retained all the great prospects without succumbing to the pressures of Bautista and Donaldson to trade the farm to compete for 1 more year.
They are creative from their time in CLE, who have a pretty good home grown team and use that creativity to fetch talent like McGuire and Hernandez from Houston for nothing but have a big budget club to facilitate the pieces needed in 2 or 3 years unlike in Cleveland.
Trading stroman for the 2 prospects mentioned in the article is exactly what needs to happen. So a repeat of the Donaldson situation doesn’t reoccur. We require pitching prospects who are close to the bigs. Those 2 fit the bill.
Next would be Sanchez near the deadline where he would fetch a higher return if his fingers healthy all year.
Smoak and Pillar are the only other tradable value pieces left which wont net us anything to what Stroman gets us.
So again which big trade (other then Donaldson) was Shapiro and Atkins supposed to make? What FA pitchers did we not sign who would have actually provided value to us last year or two years, Darvish? Do you want us all in on Kuechle? So he can be Jaime Garcia in 2 years?
It’s not as easy as you try to make it sound
Is this Atkins burner account
I can write you a book on how and why Atkins messed up. I don’t have the time to point out the clear incompetence by Atkins.. Messed up the Encarnacion free agency.. signed the useless Morales to 3 years. Traded Dondaldson a season too late, when the Cardinals wanted to give up a ton for JD, Atkins botched at it. Because he thought the help he provided Donaldson, useless guys like he signed, you know like Morales, would help JD and the jays make the postseason, therefore decided to hold on to Donaldson, like the idiot that he is. He’s a clown. He added a bunch of depth pieces. Teoscar Hernandez, Kendrys Morales, Randal Grichuk, Aledmyz Diaz, Solarte, guy has done nothing but negatively effect the everyday lineup, by collecting useless players who won’t help a championship team. As far as building a farm, anyone can build one. You decide to be bad, draft, and trade, it’s simple. I don’t applaud Atkins for building a farm, a clown in a circus can build a farm with time… even in building the farm, he messed up the opportunity by adding to it by not trading JD, last off-season.
It’s extremely easy. I wanted Chacin last year, who signed very cheap with the Brewers last off-season. They are plenty of alternatives, what I don’t do is sign Morales to three years .. what I don’t do, is hold on to JD a year too long. And as far as Happ is concerned, who even helps a division rival ?.. he got fair value ? For Happ? Droury and Mckinney for a bonfide 3 starter .. please. Oh yeah, he didn’t just send Happ to the division on a rental, but we’ll also have to deal with Happ pitch against us, for the next three years. I’m sure that’s going to help us contend in the near future… Great job Atkins. He’s a clown of a gm. Anybody who disagrees doesn’t know a damn thing about baseball.
Chacin gets us how many more wins last year? 2 at most?
That was the only suggestion you bring to the table.
EE wasnt Atkins error. He got offered a better contract and turned it down.
Morales was a mistake. But again in hindsite, at the time he was looking like a good deal and could provide production as a good career bat
We went over the Donaldson Trade, but I’ll give you that. We could have fleeced st lou but yet again it wasnt what most of the fanbase wanted. We still had the illusion of being competitive
A 36 y/o Happ doesn’t get you much more than Drury and McKinney. Not sure who you’re going to get better from…..
That 3rd year will certainly benefit us as a 39 y/o happ will be serving up Softballs to a soon to be potent offense lead by Vlad jr
Are we contending next year? Is facing happ really hurting us?
Give me Specifics, everyone writes novels around here, dont be shy
Teoscar was had for free. And still has power and a DH future
Diaz was had for peanuts and got us a prospect
Grichuk was stolen and still has value and is young enough to bounce back, not all touted prospects make it in the first go around.
Solarte is gone and didn’t cost much.
They made all those moves knowing what we had wouldn’t cut it, so why sign high priced FA or trade the farm for a half a chance at 1 more playoff run. They cant come out publicly and say that or 1. They devalue any player they do try to move and 2. Alienate the fan base 3. Drive down revenue.
They dumpster dove and tried to find short term value to flip for prospects, which they have done. Including relief pitchers like axford
They turned an ugly osuna situation into a still strong closer who will be flipped for more prospects in July. Along with 2 decent arms out of Houston’s farm. So likely 4-6 kids for osuna.
They are even using Rogers money to pay Tulo not to play, something Cleveland couldn’t imagine doing. And it’s likely the money “saved” this year and next will go towards paying luxury taxes in future if we are fielding a champion level team
The future is bright, you just have a cloud following you around
“They had the illusion they could win” and who’s fault is that ? Isn’t that Atkins and Shapiro ? Is that why they got nervous with the Encarnacion neogations ? And Edwin didn’t decline the offer, he was just mulling other ones. Atkins decided to run off, and play the smart one, thinking he can get similar production for almost half the price. Difference is, Edwin has been of the most potent hitters in baseball the last whatever so years. And Kendrys Morales has been an awful signing if we’re being completely honest here. While it’s nice to have Teoscar, and guys who were acquired at the deadline, but once again that’s not Atkins, that’s on the desperate teams wanting to push for a post season spot, willing to give away young talent for rentals. The trade deadline is designed that way. Sending Happ to the Yankees for Mckinny and Droury is an awful trade. They would’ve of been better off keeping him in house and try work out an extension.
Why would we want an aging happ to an extension?
Why isnt every team picking up “free” prospects at the deadline if that’s “how the deadline works”
Yes EE did reject the deal
Are you sure were on the same factual page here
Everyone this Mario dude is right. The way his thinking is if AA was still here and traded Vlad jr for Pablo Sandoval he would worship the trade. On his knees worshipping him and who knows probably probably staying on his knees to show his love for him..
Get with it Mario get off your knees, stop worshipping a man who once could brag about having the oldest major league roster in the majors and realize just how much the new management is changing and shaping the Jays into the future.
Imagine 2019 season we can have Vlad instead of Pablo my man. Wouldn’t that be sooooo nice!
At least get some padding for your knees Mario must be sore by now.
Why would we work out an extension? Well, as bad as Atkins wants to rebuild (which he should’ve started last off-season, but was busy acquiring useless players, in solarte and diaz who aren’t even on the roster anymore). But yeah, as bad as he wants to rebuild, you probably shouldn’t start 5 children in a rotation. Having Happ for 3 years he offers a solid veteran presence for your youth movement, while also keeping him out of the hands of the Yankees for the next three years. But what do I know … let’s trade him for a utility player and a fourth outfielder to a division rival, and have him resign there for the next three years.
Rhymo.. you don’t know baseball. Anthopoulos built a farm too, if you weren’t a child, and remember back then, you’d know he built a great farm. So your friend Atkins isn’t the only one who knows how to be bad and draft.. it’s not that difficult. At the end of the day, Anthopoulos traded away a boatload of prospects, and only Syndergaard came back to bite him. It led to a team full of mashers and young pitchers who had lights out stuff. Collect all the prospects and “depth” pieces like your nerd friend Atkins likes to do.. at the end of the day, Anthopoulos built a Yankee like powerhouse in Toronto. And though it wasn’t the biggest of runs, it was a great run in this division, and who is to say if Rogers didn’t hire these two nerds what Anthopoulos could’ve done. We won’t know. One things for sure.. if Atkins was as good as he say he is, he would’ve started this rebuild an off-season ago. Instead of wasting an off-season acquiring players who aren’t even on the roster anymore … It’s not about worshipping anybody, it’s about winning. Anthopoulos whether you wanna cry and protect your nerd friends from Cleveland, whether you like it or not made winning acquisitions. Acquisitions that made a difference. He never spent an off-season collecting “depth” who never saw the light of day towards any meaningful baseball.
Just the other day I was looking around at teams rotations…looking for a buy low candidate I would want the Mets to pursue so they can send Vargas to the bullpen. Stroman was the guy i found the most interesting. 2yrs of control, young and from Long Island. It makes perfect sense. If healthy..Stroman is a solid #2..borderline ace on some teams. He would be an amazing #4 on the Mets
I would have traded Dom Smith, Kevin Plawecki and Anthony Kay (plus a low minors lottery ticket)
For Stroman and Yennsy Diaz.
Stroman would be coming home and Toronto would get controllable MLB ready 1B and C plus Kay..an intriguing lefty with the ceiling of a #2..floor of a #4 And a low minors prospect. A fair trade IMHO
Jays don’t need a 1b with smoak, Morales and Tellez (who looks like a beast) clogging up 1b and dh. Also the jays have 3 really good catching prospects that are all very close to MLB ready. So would have to be much better prospects from Mets and why would the jays give up a prospect for that package
I am not as high on Tellez. I hope they can get Myers and A prospect back for a Stroman.
PLEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAASE take Myers for Stroman!
Why Meyers. Maybe if it was 2015
Still a power and speed threat. Put him back in the AL east and who knows.
Jays don’t need help at catcher or first base.
Try again.
I’d LOVE for TOR to take that package, but it isn’t likely. Smith from two years ago gets it done, but he has really struggled at the MLB level. They’ll want one of the top guys left instead.
TJECK and everyone else saying both are going tell me where it says both would be going for him? It simply says those two COULD be on the table as in that type of caliber prospect
I would like to see this trade go down. Not a Stroman fan at all even though he can be quite good at times, and these two prospects look pretty intriguing.
A young experienced pitcher working at pitcher friendly Petco park with a nice pitching coach Darren Balsley who helped plenty of other guys get their groove back. Im excited this guy would be our opening day starter for sure.
I like the idea of this deal but I’m not dealing anyone in the Padres top 10 for him… 2 years is not enough for that caliber of prospect. I like the idea of 2 lower prospects. Balsey could seriously help Storman have a great season in San Diego.
I don’t think there’s much doubt that Stroman could potentially thrive on the Padres (playing in Petco Park, Balsley helping him, etc.). The bigger question is whether he can stay healthy enough to be effective. I posted something similar like this up above and got downvoted, but smaller pitchers like him tend to be more injury prone.
And whether the Padres can actually contend in the next two years with Stroman. Otherwise trading even Avila for him would be a waste.
Braves need to be in these talks
Great bounce back candidate, think he will serve well in a competitive environment, wish he’d end up with ATL though
He’s no Graveman, but maybe he could be good in that huge pitcher’s park in SD.
The friendly confines of San Diego? Really? Theres only one Friendly Confines. That’s Wrigley Field. No one.has ever said that anywhere else.
SD diesnt have enough to send back anyway.
The best farm in the league doesn’t have enough to send? For Stroman? Man how do trades get completed in your world?
They have maybe 3 good players in there system. And they are considered the best farm ? Lol.
Troll.
Moron.
We get it dude, you’re a troll who loves to hate on the Padres. Why do you waste your time coming into Padres articles just to make a fool out of yourself? Stick to your Cubs news.
And get ready to change your name when Bryant leaves the team in a few years.
I think Baez will end up a bullpen guy. If I was the Jay’s. I’d ask for at least 2 of Morejon, Allen, Paddack, or Patino.
Bye Felicia!
Yup. “Click”, this phone number has been changed or if you feel like this is an error please try your call again.
No way 2 of the names mentioned go back to TOR. Absolutely no chance.
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i wouldn’t trade any of the padres Top 13 prospects for 2 years of Stroman. Coming off an injury and has never put up #1 type numbers. Barely #2 type numbers. Also he gives up too many hits and walks with low strikeout numbers. Hard pass. don’t do it AJ! let the kids shine!
Many kids you like will fail.
Just like Stroman will be a FA in two years
and i fully accept that as a life long baseball fan. Ruben Rivera was my first taste of that. I would rather them fail in the padres organization then trade them somewhere for a pitcher that wont help the padres win a WS. If stroman had 3-5 years of team control that’s a different story. Padres should make a serious run at Dallas Keuchel if they want to add a potential #1
Then you must be as old as I am, Deangelo Jimenez, Sean Burroughs, Adam Eaton (the pitcher), Cesar Castillo, George Arias, Matt Bush, Donovan Tate, are some of the names from recent memory that come to mind for me.
It’s so hard being a Padres fan. All of my buddies give me crap but born and raised- die hard to the end.
“Keepin’ the faith”
yup, even played baseball against Bush in HS. I have been saying it for as long as i can remember that the Padres time is coming. And I have always 100% believed it haha. It’s happening this time!
Padres minor league teams have been more fun to watch the last couple years, I am fully invested in our prospects and want to see them all creep up to the Padres. Stroman doesnt fit in the padres future plans
So you are saying the Padres plans do not start until 2021?
Wow, I remember most of those guys you mentioned, like when Tate was picked over guys like Trout, AJ Pollock, and James Paxton. It’s crazy to think how many of their prospects busted for the longest time.
And yeah, it gets annoying seeing people try to make the Padres out to be the Browns of Baseball. Just embrace the rebuild and we’ll see what happens.
Keuchel has #2 upside and #4 floor. I watched almost every start he had last year and it was a pretty frustrating experience bc you never knew who was showing up that day. He is likely to get $$$, which i’d want to avoid him.
Recent memory?
All of those guys were prospects (except Tate) more than a decade ago. In Arias’ case, two decades ago. In fact, the Padres last year drafted Arias’ son.
SDPadresFan – please excuse the idiot Jays fans. Not all of them are scared stupid.
I agree with you; no reason to deal any prospects for Stroman coming off a 5+ ERA with questions about his shoulder and blisters. Us Jays fans need to hope for a bounce back for the first 3-4 months of 2019, then deal him. San Diego would be stupid to give up what the Jays hope to get.
Not really a good idea,word on the island is Stroman may eventually need surgery as his shoulder capsule isn’t tight …. part of his problem stems from an injury he had playing basketball at his family home on long Island last thanksgiving. He has said it has nothing to do with it that the capsule was loose when he signed but if so why was he at Stony brook hospital last november? It sounds like it’s more than a coincidence. We’ll see I guess
Dude stop creeping on Stro
That’s what they do physicals for
We get it he is from around your way but I highly doubt you have insider info
It’s not inside info. It’s common knowledge steelerbravenation.I can’t help it if you don’t keep up. He was one of the best pitchers in baseball going into last year. And then last year his numbers across the board tanked. I’m just saying it could have been that he was injured. He’s a tough kid and he’s not the type to make excuses. The Blue Jays would be fools to trade him while his value is compromised
I heard the same story second hand. I didn’t think much of it until reading this.
the padres..
a team that signs a pitcher they can’t use until 2020, if then, and have no clue if he will bounce back from his surgery
The Cubs just did the same (Graveman). Tampa did it with Eovoldi.
Wanted the Angels to make a run at stroman…….
Yeah I honestly don’t know why the rebuilding Padres would want to trade a top 100 prospect in the game + more for a pitcher with a 5.54 ERA and injury issues who can be a free agent in two years.
3.91 FIP. If you choose to use ERA arguing against a guy well that’s your choice. But please be consistent. Don’t list an ERA in support of your argument for a guy you don’t want to acquire and then give me a FIP of a guy on the padres in a positive light.
Where did I use FIP to argue in favor of someone on the Padres?
And even without bringing up Stroman’s ERA, there’s still the issue of his injuries and lack of club control.
What player today doesn’t have injury issues!? Seems like every trade or FA signing someone is complaining that the person has injury issues!!
Angel organization, I do realize your lost, clueless, and have zero direction…. This guy Stroman is the real deal. Please hire some baseball minds that have an understanding of what’s going on around the league. This won’t only better the team, but better yourself as well.
You do realize their what is lost, clueless and has zero direction?
The Braves need to be in on him buy low and with ATL’s defense and him moving to the NL he would be a great bounce back candidate and AA should be able to outbid the Padres and still not have it effect the prospect depth
Agree.
I say sign Pollock.
Use Johan as IF/OF utility
Maybe upgrade SS…
Get JTReal
Like this Trade but only one of those SD Pitchers , if traded Baez hope Logan Allen can stay in San Diego. AJ Preller we need good Pitching to win . this guy Stroman has all the tools to win at Petco Park. GO PADS
I’ll believe it when I hear about the trade going down…something tells me the Padres will sit on their hands as usual.
It’s cute watching the other little NL West teams trying to compete with the Dodgers.
I mean, it’s not like one of the teams took the Dodgers to a 163rd game for the division title last year or anything…
It’s cute watching the Doyers choke to real baseball powerhouses in the playoffs.
Stroman has no value. We should offer a #20 or worse prospect.
We?
Stroman & Bo Bichette for a Padre Package…..Daddy Bichette already owns the Padres.
This is in fact the trade that will happen.
Stro and Bichette will cost you Gore plus. Jays fans would riot for anything less, Bichette has been touted as Vlad jrs partner in our future core and is head and shoulders above any of our other SS/2nd prospects and I would say rates as highly as tatis jr.
Gore plus Baez Quantil and Naylor
You’re selling yourself short. For Stro and Bichette we could part with a mint.
I’d give you Gore/Josh Naylor/underrated catcher Austin Allen/and Robbie Erlin
Naylor was meant to play for Canada. Austin Allen getting better in his receiving skills and could be a potential Evan Gattis type. Gore is maybe the best LHP prospect, and Robbie Erlin fills a current need in the rotation.
^Blue Jays do not need a catcher. They need pitchers and OFs.
Why would the Padres want to do that? Don’t they already have the best shortstop prospect in baseball in Tatis and a 2B prospect that is one of the best in Urias? No reason to give up more prospects to get a player like Bichette that would be blocked in San Diego.
So Padres sign Kuechel and trade for Stroman. Sign Moustakas for 3B. Is that enough to get them into WC consideration? In the AL East it wouldn’t be, but in the West with just the Dodgers and Rockies, 2 teams with lots of holes, could the Padres sneak in?
Seems more like a sell low on Baez and Allen. Might as well throw in Gore and Mejia for Sanchez and Martin.
If the Blue Jays want Pirela the deal is off….untouchable
We can’t lose Pirela. Where’d we get our gristle and moxie?
SD-We’re interested in Stroman
Tor-We want 3 top prospects
SD-No
-hangs up-
Discussion done (:
I wouldnt trade allen or baez strait up for that Toronto scrub. LOL. is preller just gonna give guys away
I could do with out the whole “ Sto-show” thing. His Height Don’t Measure Heart (HDMH Line of clothing). But what height does measure is the downward angle of his fastball from his 5’8” frame. I think they got it right at the draft when he projected to be Tom Gordon. Trade him!
Speaking of his heart, his heart was with Puerto Rico for the baseball classic, a team that needed him more and then he shafted them and pitched for USA.
Bounce back? Maybe the one good season was out of character and he comes back to reality? IMO he’s overrated, not quite as much as Archer, but overrated nonetheless.
Three seasons of 3.0 to 3.5 WAR (Fangraphs). Lifetime FIP 3.62, xFIP 3.48. Gold Glove defense.
One good season?
Know what? The word overrated is overrated.
1.9
1.3
1.5
5.7
0.2
And that 5.7 season wasn’t all that great in my opinion, 13-9 with 201 hits in 201 innings and 164K/62BB
And Gold Glove defense? LOL really? So he fielded both bunts cleanly…
Those are Baseball Reference WAR numbers. I’ve always found Fangraphs better represent player performance. FIP and xFIP are legit.
Ah … a baseball Neanderthal I see.
Speaking of Neanderthals Carl, stick to chasing gophers…
Watch the sarcasm Polish Hammer.. Stroman is probably the best fielding pitcher in baseball. He’s got a middle infielders athleticism does Stroman.
Sure thing Mario, he’s a SS trapped in a SS body that happens to pitch. Next time a team signs a pitcher because of his Gold Glove ability will be the first time…
You posted wins for a pitcher. Everything else you say is moot once an intelligent baseball fan sees that.
Allen and Baez aren’t enough for Stroman. There’s no way a competetent Jays GM is doing that deal.
Stroman is capable of greatness when healthy and he can be a elite closer if the starter thing goes south again.
The Jays are in a position of strength to trade Stroman, so they should be asking for something like Gore, Allen and Tirso Ornelas from the Padres. It’s a lot to ask but Stroman has that great ground ball rate, an elite ceiling and contolability.
“Buy Low”.
This is what I’ve been saying to anyone talking about the idea of trading Stroman. Now is not the time. Especially with the lack of top level starting pitchers. Pitching depth is thin and Stroman is coming off an awful season. Do not deal him. Otherwise they’d be selling low.
For the Padres fans out there. Spent the last 2 days doing a camp at ECU here in Greenville. Your best pitching prospect was working out there. Was sitting 94-96 and his mechanics were smooth and he was repeating them easily. His control for a 19 year old is exceptional. Looked really polished for December. Asked him about the blister problem and he said that they figured it out and it hasn’t bothered him at all in his offseason workouts. Maybe you can trade him to the Orioles for…well…the O’s top 5 prospects?
Buy low.
No reason to make the deal.
Stop adding Bichette to the deal. Jays should not be looking to add Canadian players from an organization simply because they are Canadian.
It’s like the overrated, short fuse ex-GM of the Toronto Maple Losers drafting and trading for American hockey players thinking he was clever. All Cryin Burke did was miss the playoffs year in and year out. Why get Canadian baseball players when the depth of talent is not high. Good Canadian players in MLB? Yes. But very few.
Jays need Stroman to get off to a good start in 2019 and then deal. An ERA under 4 would also do the trick.