WEDNESDAY: The Dodgers have optioned catcher Will Smith to Triple-A Oklahoma City to make room for Gonsolin, Jorge Castillo of the Los Angeles Times tweets. They also transferred injured reliever Tony Cingrani to the 60-day IL, Gurnick relays.
MONDAY: Right-hander Tony Gonsolin will start for the Dodgers in Arizona on Wednesday, manager Dave Roberts told Ken Gurnick of MLB.com and other media (Ron Cervenka of ThinkBlueLA.com first reported Gonsolin’s promotion). The Dodgers’ 40-man roster is full, so they’ll need to make a corresponding move to create a spot for Gonsolin.
The 25-year-old Gonsolin has been a member of the Los Angeles organization since it used a ninth-round pick on him in 2016. This year, in Gonsolin’s first Triple-A experience, he has recorded a terrific 2.77 ERA/3.57 FIP with 10.74 K/9 against 4.5 BB/9 in 26 innings. Gonolsin has averaged only a little over three frames per start in eight appearances this year, in part because of an early season oblique injury, though he did amass 128 innings in a 2018 campaign divided between the High-A and Double-A levels.
MLB.com (No. 4) and FanGraphs (No. 6) each regard Gonsolin as one of the Dodgers’ best prospects. Jim Callis and Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com note Gonsolin boasts a fastball capable of hitting triple digits and solid secondary offerings in the form of a splitter, curveball and slider.
With the help of his expansive repertoire, Gonsolin could develop into a No. 3 major league starter eventually, though he won’t face such pressure immediately. The front of the Dodgers’ rotation is already in enviable shape with Clayton Kershaw, Walker Buehler and Hyun-Jin Ryu leading the way, but the club’s dealing with an injury to Rich Hill. As a result, Gonsolin will have a chance to join Kenta Maeda and Tuesday starter Ross Stripling toward the back of LA’s loaded rotation.
When he makes his first appearance at dodger stadium he’ll be a pinch hitter in the 9th extending the walk off HR by a rookie streak to 4
Well all reports say that the kid can really hit, so your post merits consideration for sure.
The future is now! Let’s gooooooo
Tuesday and Wednesday will be busy days for the relievers.
Time for batting practice!
they have Urias…
Probe demote Josh Storz to make room.
He is on the IL
18 strikeouts, a new league record. 18 walks, also a new league record.
Dodgers 2016 draft class was very good
40 man roster spot by moving Cingrani to the 60 day IL. JT Chargois the likely choice to return to OKC
Or they move Pollock to the 60 to save a move and buy time. The corresponding move will be easy, it’ll be Chargois or you may see a get right DL stint for Floro.
Pollock says he expects to be back right after the All Star break. If that happens they have a couple of very good OF trade chips to move at the deadline for bullpen help.
Floro is always going to be Floro, pretty good when he can find the strike zone and pretty awful when he can’t.
Pollock being back at the All Star break doesn’t change the designation. In terms of good OFs trade chip, they don’t have anything of significance that is going to bring what some would assume being their needs. I’m failing to find any tbh. There’s nothing moving at the big league level. Pederson and Verdugo aren’t going to be moved for reasons. Pederson may be churned in the offseason, but this season I can’t see it. The Dodgers have a lot of good, but not great 2nd/Tertiary pieces for a good but not elite arm in the likes of Garlick, Reks, Rios and Beaty if you qualify them as OFs. It’s hard as all of them have flaws being corner OFs that are missing something. The best trade chip could be Peters, who is looking like a second piece lotto ticket. But he has been exposed in the AFL and to a smaller extent in AA to this point the last season. The hit tool is a serious concern, especially hovering around a 35% K, but it’s easy to see a team willing to take a chance on the toolsed out Peters. That’s higher than even Kyle Russell to put into context. I think there is an overvaluing of a certain sect of prospects.
**The last 2 seasons
It is extremely impressive that the Dodgers developmental staff continue to churn out, these seemingly clones, advanced feel college bats, albeit lower ceiling/higher floor guys. Which if you think about, it comp pieces for this team are perfect fits. Like hey we have a Rios who is starting to hit or we have a Reks, who all he does is hit, should a need for a comp/bench piece arise. But your point is taken, and I do believe they will clear the absolute back log of 1B/LF pieces as they will once again experience a roster crunch. I’d severely caution though about perceived value.
Yeah, 20 ML abs isn’t going to make Kyle Garlick or Matt Beatty a solid trade asset. They might look to move one of those guys in a trade just because they’re redundant when healthy but they aren’t very interesting.
I think the Dodgers best bet to get real quality relief help would be to move the guys they got this offseason. Jeter Downs and Josiah Gray. Those two would certainly help you get a very solid backend piece if not two.
Unfortunately for LAD a lot of their arms have slid this season. White, Alvarez, and Santana would all be sold at a low point right now.
Beaty has 70 ABs in the majors as of today, so you were off by a bit on that, and he’s put together a very impressive batting line in the process. He’d make a very fair return for a rental bullpen arm. Funny those who think otherwise. They must not remember Yu Darvish for Willie Calhoun and couple of lottery tickets, among so many other similar trades.
Willie Calhoun was a top 100 prospect who was 22. Not a 26 year old who was never regarded as anything. There was nothing similar about that comparison whatsoever. If the Dodgers believe in him they ought to hang onto him because he won’t get you much in return.
I just can’t see this FO spending too much equity on bullpen help. I know they have struggled at times and have a need, but BP arms are so volatile. Case in point, Familia, Diaz, and Tiernen this year (just to name a few). If they get a good deal on one, they may roll the dice, but that’s about it. I think they take their chances in house. We will have all hands on deck in the postseason which is still 3 months away. Who knows, maybe Joe Kelly finds it before then. To me, I think we need to upgrade the bottom half of the lineup. Too many easy outs.
In no means am I saying said pieces wouldn’t make good complimentary parts to a trade, but what I am saying is they aren’t headliners. You can’t compare Beaty to Calhoun honestly. Calhoun is simply a better overall hitter, with more pop and a better hit tool. He was also only 22 with an ability to potentially fake it at 2nd and a potential middle of the order bat. I think we’re starting to see that round into from Calhoun who is getting regular run. And it’s fun to watch his ABs.
Beaty will be 27 come next ST and completely lacks a position, as of now. Garlick will be 28. I like Beaty, I have a sentimental fan rooting interest in Garlick, but in choosing the guy I’d rather have in the group I’m going with Rios all day. This is where I think there is an overvaluing of fans. Beaty has put together some great ABs, but he’s not the concentration of the lineup and pitchers haven’t make an adjustment to him inernest
Beaty was a top 30 prospect in the Dodgers organization before the season started, and since then he’s proven an ability to hit major league pitching, which Calhoun hadn’t. Calhoun was also seen as defensively challenged and best suited for DH. So now we’re talking about whether Beaty might be a good return for a rental reliever when Calhoun was the return for one of the two best starting pitchers available that year. You say no, and I just laugh.
I don’t see them doing it either, but not because they shouldn’t do it. Here is what Dave Roberts said after last night’s bullpen meltdown:
“These are our guys right now and we’ve got to continue to run them out there.”
If that doesn’t sound like a cry for help, then what?
Proven ability? With all due respect no one is going to change their grades on the kid just because he had had 70 good ABs, and hasn’t shown anything significantly different. The idea of showcasing has always been overblown. He was in the top 30, because of his hitability and quite honestly, bc of the continual trades a competing teams make to try to win. Beaty was and is a defensively challenged better suited for DH, 45 FV, without the pop Calhoun possessed. Calhoun was and is a better bat with some serious pop who athletically most believed could hack in LF, and he’s was 22. I like Beaty. I think he’s a good hitter. I’m just being realistic. If he is the centerpiece for a meaningful RP go ahead and gloat, but chances are the Dodgers find more value in him to being a bench bat. Chances are more teams will ask for Rios as the 2nd/3rd piece too.
And for a rental reliever, they won’t get it. History is on my side, not yours.
Rios strikes out way too much for my liking. 30% for his minor league career and almost 40% this year alone. If he is striking out that much in the minors, what do we think major league pitching will do to him? While Rios has the power, it’s not in play when you’re striking out. If I’m choosing which one to keep, I would prefer the consistent quality AB’s of Beaty over Rios.
I’m not sure that’s true to be
There have been examples of teams, especially in the last three years, who have traded elite relievers for an impact player or very high end lotto ticket. There have been more examples of second tier guys fetching high ceiling lotto tickets. Teams are not afraid anymore to target A ballers with more upside than just a guy they project to be an OK major leaguer that doesn’t dirt their timeline. I think you see exceptions to that rule if you’re trading a guy with injury history who hasn’t shown he’s who he was, a guy that hasn’t performed, or a guy that has a lot of red flags( in these case I think of Britton, Familia, & Herrera).
When we discuss let’s say a potential Smith trade with the Giants, Zaidi knows the Dodgers farm, and @Jbigz hit the nail on the head. Zaidi isn’t going to ask for the Beaty’s or Garlick’s of the world to headline that trade. Especially knowing they’d have to be plus bats to justify their defensive limitations in that ballpark. They also have like pieces in the uppers, so he’s going to ask for the potential TOR/MR starter who is at A ball that fits their time line (I.E a Grey). You don’t get the type of RPs you desiring for quantity over quality unless it’s a guy like Cingrani or Presley where you see interesting tweaks that can be made in which has led his current team to massively undervalue what he could be. Mark me down under the let’s not overvalue a limited sample size and undervalue the limited top tier reliever options in a Sellers market soon to be FA, or not. And if it sounds like I’m bashing Beaty, Garlick, Rios, or Recks, I’m honestly not trying to. I’m trying to call it how I see it, while not overvaluing them.
Not sure to what or whom you are referring to not being true, but if it’s my point, consider what the Dodgers gave up to get:
Tony Watson (O’Neil Cruz, Angel German)
Tony Cingrani w/team control (Scott Van Slyke, Hedrick Clementina)
Scott Alexander w/team control (Luis Avelan)
Ryan Madson (Andrew Istler)
…for just a few recent examples of relief pitchers who didn’t trade for top prospects and/or netted only journeymen. So go ahead and tell me they couldn’t pick up say a Jake Diekman for Beaty. Will Smith might go for more, but not a whole lot. Watson should price out about the same as Diekman.
That level of reliever is very low. Jake Diekman has an ERA in the 5’s and has serious control issues. I believe the royals would target some 18 year old lotto ticket before Beatty but perhaps that’s the kind of guy if you’re looking to go that far down the spectrum. Cingrani had a 5 ERA/7 FIP when you traded for him. Alexander came over with Oaks and Mejia, so you’re only representing half the package there.
Watson was dealt for the exact kind of thing I’m talking about—-a high end lotto ticket. You know O’neill Cruz is now the fourth best prospect in Pitt’s system? Teams are going to want to target younger high variance upside guys vs. the low variance— low ceiling guys like Beaty. If it’s an older/expensive reliever or one with walk/HR issues then, sure a guy like Beaty will do it. But you did more harm than good w that analysis.
ERA isn’t a very useful stat for evaluating relievers. That said I hope they can do better than Diekman but knowing this FO this is exactly the kind of target they’d set, and he’d actually be an improvement on any of the internal lefty options the Dodgers have now.
Yes I know Cruz has come up the system for the Pirates but my point is, trading for a teenager is a spin of the wheel. If that’s what teams prefer the Dodgers have more of that on offer but nobody should expect to see a top prospect on the cusp of the majors traded for a rental reliever, and that’s what I am hearing. Not trying to sell anyone on Beaty but he did actually put together a solid set of years in the minors. He’s the kind of player who would have come up sooner on another team.
Sorry for not including Oaks and Mejia in the Alexander trade, but throw-ins of that kind are hardly worth mentioning.
Why do the two long winded guys that are talking to each other have to have such similar names. It’s hard to keep up just on the word count, now you add that in too?! I throw in the towel
every trade is a spin of the wheel
How do you keep up with baseball if this discussion confuses you?
Goodness gracious the Dodgers have a way of churning out talent
4 innings pitched, 6 hits, 6 runs, 4 earned runs, 0 walks, 3 k’s 1 hr. on 77 pitches.
Shoddy defense didnt help him either 3 effing errors, 2 by joc.
They finally threw Martin in to pitch the 9th. Hell he cant hit anymore, why not? 8 pitches, 5 for strikes.
This is the longest thread I have ever seen