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MLB Authorizes Rays To Explore Montreal Season Split

By Jeff Todd | June 20, 2019 at 3:05pm CDT

3:04pm: St. Petersburg mayor Rick Kriseman does not sound quite as enthused by the idea as Sternberg. He says he previously informed the club that the city would not authorize talks with Montreal, John Romano of the Tampa Bay Times tweets.

12:46pm: In an eyebrow-raising development, Major League Baseball has granted authorization to the Tampa Bay Rays to explore the possibility of becoming a two-city franchise. The approval will allow the organization to pursue concepts in which the team would split its home games between Florida and Montreal. Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times first tweeted the news and has more in a story.

Notably, this does not mean that the Rays necessarily will move to Montreal. Even a part-time move would likely not occur for several seasons. Rather, commissioner Rob Manfred says there’s a “broad grant” for Rays owner Stu Sternberg to build out options, as Evan Drellich of The Athletic tweets.

In a statement, Sternberg says he remains “committed to keeping baseball in Tampa Bay for generations to come.” But he says he also believes “this concept” — referring to some kind of Montreal split — “is worthy of serious exploration.”

It’s hard to fathom a situation where a Florida/Montreal split represents a long-term solution. Presumably, that’d mean building (or rehabbing) and operating facilities in both cities, creating untold logistical hurdles on top of those that already exist.

As things stand, the Rays are contractually obliged to play at the Trop through the 2027 campaign. Getting local authorities to release even a portion of home games seems like a challenge. League owners and the MLBPA will surely want to see details and have quite a few questions answered. And with conceivable two-market opportunities come vast potential inefficiencies.

Montreal has a storied history with the game of baseball. But the club lost the Expos to D.C. after the 2004 season and hasn’t hosted a big-league club since. The city has hosted some late-spring contests at Olympic Stadium, but that venue poses many of the same issues presented by the Rays’ current home at Tropicana Field.

While this development does more to create possibilities than answer questions about the club’s future, it comes with immediate consequences. The Rays have struggled to gain traction in stadium talks in the St. Petersburg/Tampa area. Recent plans for an Ybor City complex fell flat, leaving Sternberg and company looking for new options — and, no doubt, also some leverage.

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  1. macdaddy96

    6 years ago

    This is wild

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    • dimitrios in la

      6 years ago

      Actually an AWFUL idea. No way that I can see to get fans to fervently support a team with a split identity.

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      • CKinSTL

        6 years ago

        Do you think they are getting fervent support in TB? I’m not suggesting this is a great idea.. but they need to be looking at options. They are regularly one of the worst teams in terms of attendance (even when they were playing well 2008-13) and their ballpark is a joke. They have to change something.

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        • Ejemp2006

          6 years ago

          Tropicana is special. I go there and love game. Florida should not have two teams. If no Marlin, then Rays have for sell outs. A lot!

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        • outinleftfield

          6 years ago

          When the Expos were in Montreal they got less fan support than the Rays are getting now.

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        • the cuban solution

          6 years ago

          Florida doesn’t support baseball. Flat out.

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        • Polish Hammer

          6 years ago

          Thanks Borat!

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      • heater

        6 years ago

        I don’t know… maybe more fans would come out to see a game in both cities if there was only 40 games a year to go see.

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        • TreyMancini

          6 years ago

          Really there shouldn’t be two teams in Florida. And Miami should be the one to go clearly, at least the Rays run a respectable franchise.

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      • Eta34

        6 years ago

        I mean, they are drawing huge crowds now.

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    • deweybelongsinthehall

      6 years ago

      Mad is more like it. PA would never approve unless big money was given to players who would have to disrupt families even more than today. Two homes, Older players with kids would not be happy.

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      • washington_bonercats

        6 years ago

        What about the kids of the players of every other team in that division? Division games are damn near home games until you have to fly to Tampa.

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    • todd76

      6 years ago

      More idiotic stuff from Manfred. Montreal lost the Expos for a reason. Replace Manfred now!

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      • Rocketman444

        6 years ago

        Montreal fans did not want to give any money to the awful owner that was Jeffrey Loria.

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  2. joshua.barron1

    6 years ago

    OMG YES!!!!!!

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  3. dirtbagfreitas

    6 years ago

    So they can have nobody show up to their games in two countries?

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    • leefieux

      6 years ago

      Lol

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    • bigjonliljon

      6 years ago

      I’m in Tampa area and go to Rays games when I can. I can tell you that it always seems the visiting teams have more fans in the Trop than the Rays. Florida being such a transplant area, people seem to stay loyal to there home town team and only go to Rays game when that team is in town. I’m a Cubs fan. I go to games when my Cubbies are in town. Have gone to lots of others, Yankees, Red Sox, Blue Jays fans etc…. always pack in.

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      • bobg529

        6 years ago

        Don’t ask me. I’m a Mets fan…

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      • the cuban solution

        6 years ago

        Great point.

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      • brickhaus

        6 years ago

        I’ve lived in NYC for nearly two decades and am still a Rays fan.

        That said, there are lots of Rays fans. Their TV numbers are way better than a lot of established markets. But because of the transplant issue the fan base is mostly young. Young people are a lot less likely to want to go to a baseball game in person. Heck, I’m 40 and strongly prefer watching on TV. And when I go to Yankees Stadium they announce a sellout but the place is half empty. Fact of the matter is that people actually going to games is about to become one of the smaller revenue sources, and the League needs to figure out how to address that.

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        • Steven Juris

          6 years ago

          MLB doesn’t have the national draw that the NFL has nor the tv contracts. They need people to attend games. Most TB fans dress up as seats to blend in.

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    • RunDMC

      6 years ago

      So players can have 2 homes and have to relocate their families or visit them sporadically from another country through a few months. If the geography were shorter it would make sense, but it’s like they believe in Tampa too much and Montreal not enough to make any significant changes. Rarely have I felt this much sympathy for players until this proposal and good luck to their GM trying to sign any players wanting to sign up for that.

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      • deweybelongsinthehall

        6 years ago

        Sorry RunDMC. My post echos yours.

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      • brickhaus

        6 years ago

        This is posturing. A negotiating position. Nothing more.

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    • Monkey’s Uncle

      6 years ago

      And in multiple languages too. It would be bilingual absenteeism.

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    • socalsoxfan78

      6 years ago

      Lol

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  4. dewman2722

    6 years ago

    Can someone please explain to me why everyone thinks Montreal is the solution for the Rays. They were dead last in attendance their last 4+ years in existence..

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    • clepto

      6 years ago

      As opposed to doing nothing and hoping things will change? Wow.

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      • dewman2722

        6 years ago

        I never said do nothing, but you’re not going to generate additional interest in the Tampa fan base by playing the second half of the season in a different country, and Montreal has already shown they won’t support a team.

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        • ThePriceWasRight

          6 years ago

          So has TB. if anything this becomes a “let’s see who wants this more scenario?”.

          I do agree that the city won’t be interested in the Tampa Bay Rays but if they are promised a half season with the potential for the team to stay there long term if successful, you likely see more fans in Montreal than Tampa.

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        • bigjonliljon

          6 years ago

          Seems like a negotiation tactic for the Rays in my mind

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        • its_happening

          6 years ago

          Between 1998 and 2004, Montreal outdrew Tampa a grand total of zero times per game. To say you’ll see more fans in Montreal than Tampa is not a lock by any means.

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        • Priggs89

          6 years ago

          You probably will see more fans in Montreal, because it’s “new.” If/when they move to Montreal full time, attendance will start dropping like before.

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        • ba2929

          6 years ago

          They stopped supporting the team because baseball went on strike in 1994, the year the Expos were absolutely amazing, and the team never recovered because the owners decided to get rid of everyone worthwhile the year after that. Then the owners just didn’t spend any money at all, nor did they do any marketing, on the team from 1995-2004.

          Why would you care about a sport or team that goes out of its way to screw you over and not put a good product on the field?

          It’s been 15 years now and judging from the attendance at the spring training games earlier this year, I think it’s time to give Montreal another shot.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          6 years ago

          Washington had prior chances and is now cemented in the fabric of baseball. Kansas City and Milwaukee too. Probably more.

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        • outinleftfield

          6 years ago

          No one showed up in Montreal before. They were always at the bottom of the attendance lists below Tampa.

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        • outinleftfield

          6 years ago

          They didn’t support the team before the strike.

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        • cman

          6 years ago

          Expos fans never supported the team long before the strike. The only time period they drew remotely decent numbers was the late 70’s early 80’s.

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      • Priggs89

        6 years ago

        As opposed to moving the current stadium and/or going to a NEW market that has a chance to succeed…

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      • chris5

        6 years ago

        Why do you assume the alternative is do nothing? What about exploring different cities instead of Tampa and Montreal? Maybe northern Florida, or Tennessee, or North or South Carolina.

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        • RunDMC

          6 years ago

          Portland, Vegas, Nashville, OK City, Charlotte…Seattle has the worst travel of any team each year because they are so far from other teams. Put another team near them and you cut that down while adding more interest.

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        • Matt Galvin

          6 years ago

          Orlando because have split between it and Tampa Bay before.

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        • Thomas Bliss

          6 years ago

          I like the South Carolina idea. Throughout the state you find people that love the game from high school and college to the minors. The most that I talk to travel to Atlanta to attend a Major League Baseball game. My aunt and cousins did.

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        • old dodger fan

          6 years ago

          Charlotte NC

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        • its_happening

          6 years ago

          Thomas Bliss – which South Carolina city could sustain a team in your opinion?

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        • petrie000

          6 years ago

          North Carolia is actually more likely. Raleigh-Durham is fairly large with a long history of baseball and could draw from both Carolinas easily enough. that whole region has a long baseball tradition

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          6 years ago

          I don’t agree Run as Miami has the same attendance problem. Another FL team in the middle would just create another poor attendance team. Baseball does great in spring training because the capacity is small and many fans incorporate a game or two in their winter vacation schedule.

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        • ThePriceWasRight

          6 years ago

          agree. regular season baseball in Florida has poor attendance because any locals are tired out after spring training and the snowbirds are back in Canada and Northern US.

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        • todd76

          6 years ago

          How about Omaha, Nebraska? Lol

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        • outinleftfield

          6 years ago

          How about a privately financed stadium that is in Tampa instead of St. Pete?

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        • Thomas Bliss

          6 years ago

          I’m not sure. I think Charleston or Columbia would be nice but both have a minor league team that would lose attendance in the case of a MLB team coming to town.

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        • flharfh

          6 years ago

          The Omaha/Lincoln NE metro area is about the same size as Milwaukee and has a long baseball history (little league world series, etc). A team there would also be literally the only top league professional sports team within a 200 mile radius. I bet that team would draw better than the Rays do now, probably much better.

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        • Steven Juris

          6 years ago

          They have 2 teams in Florida that nobody watches. If anything both of those teams should be relocated someplace else.

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        • therealryan

          6 years ago

          You think it’s best if MLB has zero teams in the 3rd most populous and 3rd fastest growing state? Florida is a state that has 3 of the top 18 media markets in the country and all 3 are rapidly growing. MLB would be foolish to leave that behind, regardless of the current teams’ attendance.

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        • Thomas Bliss

          6 years ago

          How does the Storm Chasers do in attendance?

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        • Curt Green

          6 years ago

          Living in Sioux City, I like that idea but is there enough corporate sponsorship?

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        • cman

          6 years ago

          Do not put the team in Raleigh-Durham, put it in Charlotte. Charlotte is bigger and growing much faster and has a better downtown area than Raleigh. Nashville would be a good landing spot as well.

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      • SalaryCapMyth

        6 years ago

        Really? You think making a terrible decision is better than doing nothing? Wow!

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        • clepto

          6 years ago

          So the league should just consult your expert opinion first? wow

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        • Dotnet22

          6 years ago

          Worst poster on this site

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    • cuban1

      6 years ago

      Right! Everyone points to the fact they drew 31k in their last game to show they can support baseball, do you know how many showed t
      At the 2nd to last game in Olympic Stadium? 5k.

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    • leefieux

      6 years ago

      I agree. Montreal would not have been my first choice.

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    • Avory

      6 years ago

      Oh c’mon, do some deeper research than that. Like how well Montreal drew prior to the ’94 strike and how that drove a stake into the franchise. How MLB allowed the crummy Loria brothers to own the team. Or how the facilities sucked so bad YOU wouldn’t go to the games. The lack of any kind of perspective or analysis on issues today boggles the mind. Quebec is an obviously good market given the right circumstances, and MLB should never have abandoned it the way it did. Montreal is one of the most cosmopolitan and attractive markets in North America and MLB did a disservice to itself by leaving it. Especially the way they did, by just weakening a market in the process (Baltimore-Washington). Net-net, it was a losing proposition.

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      • its_happening

        6 years ago

        Avory – DO YOUR RESEARCH. Montreal did not draw well prior to 1994. They were well below league average drawing 22,000 per game in that year. They drew an average of over 20,000 only three times their last 15 seasons of existence. That’s putrid. They should have left Montreal at least 5 years sooner than they did.

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      • ThePriceWasRight

        6 years ago

        Avory.. while I agree for the most part, the stadium issue is still there. I’m in the Nations capital and would love a team in Montreal but a new building is a must for any team there to succeed.

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        • Avory

          6 years ago

          I don’t disagree with you that a new stadium is needed. Had MLB gotten behind the effort to build the open air downtown stadium that was proposed in Montreal, the franchise would have been successful. But MLB and ownership never dealt in good faith with a unique market like Quebec and helped run the team into the ground. The province and its people didn’t appreciate being treated shabbily and I don’t blame them. I realize it takes a special effort to deal with the Quebecois, but it would have been well worth it to MLB in the long run. Completely abandoning an entire culture like that is not growing the game, and that’s what we should be doing as a sport. It would have been more constructive than shoving two teams in one market (not that it’s not possible for the DC area to support two teams, but it’s a challenge.)

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      • vp81955

        6 years ago

        Cuban Pete’s ownership weakened the Orioles long before the Expos moved south…and Washington has proven it’s a stronger and wealthier market than Baltimore. What happened to the Expos was what happened to the Senators during the Bob Short regime (the relocated Rangers didn’t thrive until he sold the franchise). I agree Montreal deserves another shot at MLB, but you don’t have to denigrate D.C. to show it.

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      • outinleftfield

        6 years ago

        Montreal never drew well. Every season they were at the bottom of the rankings for attendance.

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    • tuna411

      6 years ago

      they were NEVER dead last. they were second last once. 20’th ish most other times.

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      • dewman2722

        6 years ago

        proxy.espn.com/mlb/attendance?year=2001&order…

        Check 2001 – 2004

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        • its_happening

          6 years ago

          ^And that’s with Puerto Rico helping them in attendance.

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        • Steven Juris

          6 years ago

          When the league was deliberately sabotaging the efforts. Why support a team that the league is making sure that they have nothing there of any quality.

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    • baseballhobo

      6 years ago

      If Montreal had an AL East team they could have approximately 30 sellouts per season. The home games versus the Yanks, Red Sox, and Blue Jays would have huge crowds.

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    • DarkSide830

      6 years ago

      Florida is surprisingly not dense to any degree in sports fans. sharing half of a country is better then sharing half of a state withought a massive quantity of sports fans.

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      • Anthony Princeton

        6 years ago

        The problem with Florida is that many of it’s residents were either born in another state and have a favorite team already or another country and not interested in baseball. The below excerpt is several years old but I don’t think much has really changed since.

        “KYLE MUNZENRIEDER | AUGUST 18, 2014 | 8:30AM
        If you live in Florida, there’s only a little more than a one-in-three chance you were born in this state. In fact, Florida has the second-lowest rate of population made up by native-born residents of that state in the entire nation.”

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    • Paul Miller

      6 years ago

      Jeffery Loria. He ran the franchise to the ground by not spending a dime and threatening the government to pay for a new stadium and they wouldn’t budge. He then bolted the last couple of years to find another sucker team to buy (See – Florida/Miami Marlins), while the MLB kept the Expos on life support.

      Can you blame the fans for not attending when the writing was on the wall to contract or move the team? The fans weren’t stupid….

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      • its_happening

        6 years ago

        The fans didn’t support the team when they contended.

        One reason may have been concrete falling from the stadium. When a ballpark is falling apart you are less likely to attend games.

        However, they didn’t support the team when the stadium was in good shape.

        The fans aren’t stupid. City of Montreal does not care about baseball. That’s just the hard truth. The fans they drew for spring training games were from Toronto taking in a weekend in a beautiful city.

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        • jb10000lakes

          6 years ago

          Wrigley Field begs to differ.

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    • Ejemp2006

      6 years ago

      Absence makes heart grow fonder?

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    • Rocketman444

      6 years ago

      They never got back up form the 94 strike and giving away all their players and on top of that Awful ownership by Jeffrey Loria. And the last 4 years or they were own by MLB and if was extremely clear and known by everyone that they would move to Washington and they would be ready, so no one want to support a team destine to move away. That what will happen to Tampa Bay attendance, it will go even lower. It will be full in MOntreal and everything is ready to built a new stadium in MOntreal.

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      • its_happening

        6 years ago

        Loria didn’t own the team until 1998. What happened prior to 1998 when the Expos didn’t draw?

        Rhetorical question. City of Montreal has had a tough time selling the idea of a new park considering they are a poorly run city, fiscally irresponsible and they are lacking in areas to put a team. A subway running through Olympic Stadium could not save them. They are a lost cause and a city with no baseball fans. Give it up.

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  5. its_happening

    6 years ago

    Awful idea. Do we need to revisit the attendance numbers in Montreal the last 10 years of their existence? How about the fact they were below league average after 1983? Expos facility is awful and should be torn down. Finding funding and space for a new park is questionable in Montreal. Montreal won’t draw unless they pull Toronto fans every weekend to the park. Toronto isn’t even drawing in their own back yard so expect little from Montreal.

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    • User 3617846742

      6 years ago

      Bring back Jarry Park….now that was an eye sore. I still remember the first game with Maury Wills playing for the Expos.

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    • clepto

      6 years ago

      I bet you are real fun in team meetings and conf calls. You are “that guy”. Mr Poo Poo.

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      • its_happening

        6 years ago

        Ah, the clapto made it to a keyboard! Welcome back. Happy to hear you made parole.

        Montreal is a great party city, awful baseball town. Citizens are into two things: The Montreal Canadiens and themselves. Baseball does not fit.

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    • Zack35

      6 years ago

      Canadian here. Baseball in Canada completely changed in 2015. People from all over Canada fly to Toronto to see the Jays and drive to Minnesota and Seattle when the Jays are in town. It’s a huge untapped market. If there is a winning team on the field they will be top in attendance every night

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      • its_happening

        6 years ago

        Zack – Canadian here too. Montreal has little to nothing in-common with the rest of Canada. They will not support a baseball team the same way other US cities are capable of.

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        • deek158

          6 years ago

          Agreed Reaper…..people need to look deeper at the underlying issues in Quebec
          They think they are a country independent from the rest of us Canadians….needing handouts to support themselves….refuse to acknowledge the English language….I could go on but in a nutshell, nothing good can come from this !

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        • its_happening

          6 years ago

          Thank you Deek! People do not understand just how different Montreal is. Look, they have shown they can draw 30+ thousand per night on a weekend. So what? Tampa’s problems would be solved if a stadium was built in Tampa.

          Now, I believe this could be a leverage play by the Rays. On the other hand, Montreal has a bigger capacity than any other legitimate city in the US. Plenty of places should be ahead of Montreal but don’t have the seats. Still, this is a total insult to any intelligent baseball fan remembering how awful the support was for the Expos.

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      • stan lee the manly

        6 years ago

        I understand being supportive of your area and all, but top in attendance? Come on, they won’t ever be able to compete with the market size, history, nostalgia, and competitiveness of quite a few franchises

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      • njbirdsfan

        6 years ago

        Possibly silly question:

        Wouldn’t Vancouver be an ideal fit based on your comment?

        People from the West wouldn’t have to fly to Toronto and they’d have the Seattle rivalry.

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        • its_happening

          6 years ago

          Not a silly question. Vancouver would be a better choice than Montreal. Montreal does not care about baseball. Montreal would provide less support for a low-minor league team than what Vancouver provides for their low-A team, the Canadians. Vancouver supports them very well.

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    • Rocketman444

      6 years ago

      Everything is ready to build a new stadium downtown Montreal. Financement and location.

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      • its_happening

        6 years ago

        Printing money is their finance. Great.

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  6. bkbk

    6 years ago

    Gotta get the A’s into a stadium and Portland too.

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    • PopeMarley

      6 years ago

      Portland doesn’t have a Major League team.

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  7. User 3617846742

    6 years ago

    How about Las Vegas? The Raiders are going to have a super nice stadium in Vegas!

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    • DarkSide830

      6 years ago

      Vegas will be the first place to see an expansion team when the MLB expands.

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      • spinach

        6 years ago

        Vegas would not be good for baseball like for football. Football with just 8 games is more eventy. 81 would be much harder to pack.

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        • DarkSide830

          6 years ago

          you might have a point there. then again, i think the same holds true for Florida as well.

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      • todd76

        6 years ago

        The last thing MLB needs is an expansion. It’s bad enough that half of most teams starting lineups are as exciting to watch bat as it is to watch paint dry. Then there’s half of most teams pitching that shouldn’t be on a AAA roster. If anything MLB should cut a couple or few teams to makes things more competitive.

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      • outinleftfield

        6 years ago

        Not going to happen. Baseball revenue is based on TV and Las Vegas is too small a market.

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    • Connorsoxfan

      6 years ago

      And here I was thinking football just wouldn’t be the same for the Raiders without a dirt patch through the middle of the field

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    • Matt Galvin

      6 years ago

      Orlando because Magic have been to the finals,Solar Bears won Turner Cup Championship in last year of League and has Cracker Jack Stadium and to lots of Lodging near by,Theme Parks and so on.

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  8. Jbigz12

    6 years ago

    I’d like to see it happen. A split season could work. Only about 40 games in each city. Fans may be more motivated to go out and see the team. It’ll be interesting to see. They’ll draw well in Montreal out of the gates for sure. Hope it happens. Not sure players will be too pumped about splitting half their time in two cities though.

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    • ThePriceWasRight

      6 years ago

      I would be shopped if the players union didnt step in. this clearly would only benefit the owner not the players so certainly could see a grievance filed.

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      • Jbigz12

        6 years ago

        Two cities that could not be further away from each other as well. It’s not as if it’s playing half in Tampa and the other half in Orlando or something. You may be right about that.

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  9. Senioreditor

    6 years ago

    Better Vegas

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  10. Ully

    6 years ago

    proposed new team name, the ExRays.

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    • Joe Kerr

      6 years ago

      Love it!

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      • Ully

        6 years ago

        or the ex-devil rays

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    • mattynokes

      6 years ago

      Montreal Bay X-Rays

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      • agentx

        6 years ago

        …of Anaheim.

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  11. nats3256

    6 years ago

    why is vegas not the obvious answer.

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    • rangerslegend34107

      6 years ago

      Because MLB hates gambling. Always has and always will. Nearly killed the game multiple times, which is why they banned the Black Sox and Pete Rose for life.

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      • RunDMC

        6 years ago

        …you are aware MLB is in the 1st year of a major partnership with DraftKings, right? Things change.

        By subsidizing the fast-growing online sports gambling market, you avoid it inevitably impacting your sport in ways you cannot control. It still may, but at least you have some say in it.

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      • ottoc 2

        6 years ago

        You do realize that MLB has agreed to supply non-publicly available stats to sportsbooks to get a piece of the action. So much for hating gambling.

        I didn’t see RunDMC’s post on this.

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      • Anthony Princeton

        6 years ago

        Also the Cubs are/were thinking about putting a sports book at Wrigley. hahah

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    • DarkSide830

      6 years ago

      does Vegas have a stadium already?

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      • ColossusOfClout

        6 years ago

        They just opened a brand new AAA ballpark. It’s awesome but too small for the majors. They would build another stadium for an MLB team or (less likely) play at the new Raider/Rebel stadium.

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        • DarkSide830

          6 years ago

          hmm. im surpised the A’s and the Raiders didnt make the new stadium a join venture then. of course, there could be some history about their relationship i dont know as well.

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  12. xf0rthebetterx

    6 years ago

    I really wish this stupid city could grasp the fact that the reason their numbers are down is because no one wants to drive to downtown St Pete for a TAMPA game. The area is sketchy, the stadium blows, the Howard Frankland bridge is a nightmare at rush hour, it’s crazy. Trying to fit a stadium in Ybor was a nice thought but the real estate is too expensive. They’re better off aiming somewhere near Raymond James, New Tampa or off the 75/275 corridor.

    There ARE fans here. Lots of them. Driving from Orlando to St Pete is a 3-4 hour drive at rush hour. Orlando to Tampa? Hour and a half/2 hours. Not as bad. Multiple routes, no risk of bridges closing, etc. Hell, even over by Tampa Bay Downs is better than driving to St Pete. The guys deserve better, the fans deserve better, the CITY deserves better.

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    • Jbigz12

      6 years ago

      I don’t think fans will drive 1.5-2 hours to see the Rays either. Thats a long trip for a baseball game to do with any kind of regularity.

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      • Priggs89

        6 years ago

        Not really any different than driving from the suburbs into a major city, Iike Chicago. It sucks, but it is what it is.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          Certainly not something that happens in Baltimore. That’d be the equivalent of me driving to philadelphia and I have to tell you that would not be a frequent trip.

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      • JSC Cubbs

        6 years ago

        Lived in Tampon 18 miles from the stadium, on a typical weekday 7pm game it took 90 minutes to get there. There is no roadway infrastructure in the area. The freeways and bridges are jokes. It’s not just for baseball, it’s an awful area to get anything done.

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        • ColossusOfClout

          6 years ago

          You lived WHERE? LMAO!!!

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        • bobtillman

          6 years ago

          He lives in Tampon…a few miles east of Maya Largo……

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        • mcappy

          6 years ago

          Sorry to hear that. I hear that Tampon sucks.

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    • 66TheNumberOfTheBest

      6 years ago

      If both the Trop and getting to it are so bad, would the Rays be better off trying to play in Raymond James Stadium? Could it host baseball?

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      • xf0rthebetterx

        6 years ago

        RayJay wouldn’t host baseball games. Too many other events take place in the stadium when football season is over. BUT there is room around it. Honestly, they should update Steinbrenner field, which is where the Yankees do spring training, and send the Yankees to Tropicana. They don’t use the stadium nearly as much, it’s across the street from RayJay, it has plenty of parking, etc. if they figured out a way to put a retractable roof on it it would be perfect. We don’t need more seating, we barely sell out games as it is. But I think it could be a good solution.

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  13. sjberke1

    6 years ago

    Doesn’t the stadium lease prohibit playing home games out of the Tampa Bay region until after 2027? See fieldofschemes.com/2018/12/13/14406/no-rays-owner-….

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  14. rashomon

    6 years ago

    Wouldn’t Charlotte make more sense?

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    • ncbrave

      6 years ago

      Always thought NC should have a MLB team. The state is full of minor league teams. Plus it’s home for teams in the other 3 major sports.

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  15. dalrob

    6 years ago

    Montreal is exploring options for a downtown stadium. The city misses the revenue the Expos brought in. Terrible ownership killed the Expos.

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  16. rookiegreg

    6 years ago

    Maybe this is 100 pct about leverage.. MLB trying to get behind one of their franchises to create leverage. Montreal is probably just a pawn city then in this circumstance. Just a random thought of course but at least they are considering options

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    • ColossusOfClout

      6 years ago

      I think Montreal is more than just a pawn. They are legitimately considering a move there, but I agree leverage is the driving force for now.

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  17. moe 3

    6 years ago

    Nashville would be a good destination

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    • cman

      6 years ago

      Yes, agreed. Nashville and Charlotte would be excellent destinations for the Rays and potentially the A’s long term.

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      • athleticsnchill

        6 years ago

        Long term for the A’s is still Oakland. We’ve made far more progress than the Rays have, which is probably why we weren’t included in this to share a season in Vegas or something, where our Triple A team already plays.

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        • DarkSide830

          6 years ago

          it is curious that Vegas is the affiliate of Oakland now. obviously is better for geographical proximity purposes, but still…

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  18. GOLSF

    6 years ago

    I love this idea! The people of Montreal have been clamoring for another chance at baseball and sincerely miss having an outlet for their fandom that is Quebec-based. Having recently engaged in a spirited debate with Quebec baseball fans where I raised their attendance records (which are indisputably abysmal) and having received so many passionate responses why Montreal is a baseball town, I’m in favor of this King Solomon style solution. Neither Tampa Bay nor Montreal deserves a full time team, so let’s split that baby in two!

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  19. Old User Name

    6 years ago

    No matter where they split, Montreal or Vegas, it would be hard on the players.

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    • DarkSide830

      6 years ago

      they should just move directly there. might need to wait another year, but it will be worth iy

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      • Old User Name

        6 years ago

        I definitely agree. Tampa will never support a tem.

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  20. ntorsky

    6 years ago

    1) Just pick a city. I’m all about an exhibition series, but pick one city.
    2) If you’re going to do this experiment, do it in Charlotte, New Orleans, or Nashville. Bigger markets and whatever fans the Rays do have don’t have to travel quite as far.

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    • its_happening

      6 years ago

      San Antonio, Portland, and the mecca of College Baseball, Omaha. All would have been better choices.

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      • DarkSide830

        6 years ago

        why would a third team in texas be a better idea for the league then another team in canada?

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        • its_happening

          6 years ago

          Because Montreal can’t and won’t support a baseball franchise, at any level.

          San Antonio also one of the bigger cities, population-wise.

          Canadian dollar also a factor.

          If a Canadian city deserves a baseball team it would be Vancouver followed by Calgary and that’s it.

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        • ColossusOfClout

          6 years ago

          Calgary? LOL, good one.

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        • its_happening

          6 years ago

          Calgary is a better option than Montreal. I would not recommend Calgary over 20 other US cities, maybe more. Montreal would never be an option, and shouldn’t.

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        • Anthony Princeton

          6 years ago

          The state of Texas has almost 29m residents. The country of Canada has just over 37m residents. I think a 3rd team in Texas is viable. Not sure about another team in Montreal though.

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        • TaylorLH

          6 years ago

          San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the United States with over 1.5M people..

          Dallas/Ft Worth is considered the 4th largest metropolitan area with over 7M people. Houston is 5th with just shy of 7M.

          Yeah itll thin a bit of market coverage of the other 2, but people from San Antonio arent going to Astros games. If they were really smart they’d put it in North West San Antonio and make it borderline close to Austin (11th largest city in US @ 1M)

          Plus they could revamp the brand with something Alamo CIty blah related thing.

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        • geetee

          6 years ago

          Indeed, San Antonio+Austin market = about 4 million people

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      • RunDMC

        6 years ago

        Sorry, if you’re considering a 3rd team for Texas, they need to also consider it for Brooklyn. Mets are Queens, Yankees are all over, but based in Bronx – and Brooklyn would be the 4th largest city in the USA if it’s own city – that’s not including any interest generated from Manhattan, a short train-ride away.

        There are other cities more in need of a team, but baseball’s largest market could support a 3rd team if anyone can, at least more so than Tampa. I’d love to see baseball in Bklyn again. Only wish they could get the Dodger name back though that ain’t happening.

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        • its_happening

          6 years ago

          Run – I’m fine with Brooklyn being considered. Montreal even being mentioned is embarrassing.

          They could be called the Brooklyn Robins – pay homage to Jackie Robinson.

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  21. tecjug

    6 years ago

    Wow. That would really suck for the families of the players and staff. Would they need to have two homes and just move twice a year?

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  22. Rayland#1

    6 years ago

    Wtf?

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    • clepto

      6 years ago

      As in Rayland, OH?

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  23. lowtalker1

    6 years ago

    They need to move to Montreal. That’d actually fill their stadium. Their payroll would actually rise.

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    • ScottCFA

      6 years ago

      Like $40 million U.S. = $50 mill.ion Canadian?

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      • its_happening

        6 years ago

        Closer to $37-38-mil to $50-mil Canadian.

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        • Anthony Princeton

          6 years ago

          Correct on the currency exchange, 37m to 38m USD. Also, Canada’s economy has been on recession watch for about a year now. Very little to almost no economic growth. Not sure how viable this plan is.

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    • cman

      6 years ago

      Where would they play? Olympic stadium? It’s a toilet bowl and they would be lucky to draw 15k a game in the summer after the notoriety wears off again. The Expos were never a good drawing team even in the 90’s. They had a small stretch of years in the late 70’s / early 80’s when the drew in the low 2 millions but that was it. Move them to Charlotte or Nashville to a US market that is actually interested in Baseball and is growing.

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    • jjd002

      6 years ago

      Just like the Nationals did when they were there….

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  24. its_happening

    6 years ago

    Ponder this….could this be a simple ploy by MLB to force the city of Tampa to “play ball” and facilitate a brand new stadium?

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    • DarkSide830

      6 years ago

      they coule just move to Montreal and already have a stadium, or just deal with their darn stadium. im so tried of hearing about it. its complete garbage. deal with it or leave. dont hold the rest of the league back from expanding because your stadium is garbage.

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      • its_happening

        6 years ago

        So move a team to a worse facility and draw less than they already do? Um, no.

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        • DarkSide830

          6 years ago

          they would easily draw more then sharing the Florida market would allow them. as for the stadium, maybe the team can realize how good their stadium is in comparison and then be content with what they have.

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        • its_happening

          6 years ago

          History proves otherwise, DarkSide. People forget how pathetic the Expos crowds were.

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  25. bobtillman

    6 years ago

    Never going to happen. The MLBPA would go ape-poopy.

    The whole thing smells of Bud Selig’s convoluted plans for keeping the Expos in Montreal; Puerto Rico, etc., etc.,etc. It was all just some spin before the inevitable (as the Rays situation) re-location.

    Fear not, Floridians…Rays move to Canada, St. Pete gets an expansion franchise (a la Seattle/Milwaukee/Seattle). It’s not that MLB can’t survive in the area. It’s that Stu Steinberg can’t survive in that area.

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  26. shapm567

    6 years ago

    Wtf

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  27. ScottCFA

    6 years ago

    Just a math question here. Is getting 20,000 attendance in Tampa and 20,000 in Montreal the same as packing a 40,000 stadium?

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  28. ElMagoN9ne

    6 years ago

    Once they tear down the Rio in Las Vegas and start building the MLB stadium they need to either move the Rays or Marlins to Las Vegas. one can go to Montreal the other can go to Las Vegas

    I’d prefer an NL team

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    • Mjm117

      6 years ago

      Marlins will never move from Little Havana.

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      • Paul Miller

        6 years ago

        Of course they won’t move. They got completely suckered into paying for one of the most expensive stadiums in history after it’s all paid off!

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  29. martras

    6 years ago

    I think this is a lot less to do about potentially moving the Rays to Montreal and a lot more to do about messaging the rest of any interested city/state/province that MLB is open to the Rays moving someplace.

    The issues with Tropicana Field are well known and documented. The biggest issue is location. MLB teams absolutely need to be in a high density population area (downtown) to be profitable because of the number of home games. The Trop is 15-20 miles (and a bay bridge crossing) away from downtown Tampa Bay. Doesn’t work. St. Petersburg is 1/2 the size of Kansas City. 1/3 the size of Minneapolis/St. Paul. It’s too small to host an MLB team.

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  30. cman

    6 years ago

    Why on earth would you explore moving the Rays to Montreal.? It’s a horrible location for major league baseball. Other than the late 70’s early 80’s they’ve never pulled GOOD attendance numbers.

    Toronto is an enigma because it’s an international city and has fortune 500’s from all over the place renting boxes, etc. Canada in general could give two hoots about baseball. Canada is all about hockey and the Raptors and that’s it. The Rays/Expos would instantaneously be at the bottom in attendance and revenues after moving up there. Plus you have the issue of broadcasting the games in English because of the French in Quebec as well as staffing the team with all French speakers which is another requirement of Quebec. This was a problem last time around with Montreal. Trying to move the Rays up there would be a STUPID STUPID move IMO by MLB.

    If they are dead set on moving the Rays out of Florida in general, why not explore Charlotte or Nashville? Both are BOOMING cities and some of the fastest growing metropolitan areas in the country outside of Texas.

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    • jdgoat

      6 years ago

      The broadcast issue is non existent. They’d have two. The Montreal Canadiens don’t just have a French broadcast lol.

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      • cman

        6 years ago

        It was a problem before. I don’t know if you were aware of it. Quebec has weird rules when it comes to cable television broadcasts.

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        • jdgoat

          6 years ago

          I see. Seems like an issue that would be easy to fix but maybe not

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        • mcappy

          6 years ago

          It’s not an issue. All Montreal teams have Eng & Fr broadcasts. And Eng broadcasts would all be national. In a league driven by TV revenue, Montreal is an attractive market regardless of how many tickets they sell.

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    • deek158

      6 years ago

      Agreed……what a pandors’s Box!
      Quebec thinks and acts like an independent country
      Their source of income is from handouts from the rest of hard working Canadians…I do not and will never speak French so communication for me and many others won’t happen
      STUPID idea !!

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      • Avory

        6 years ago

        Here we go….

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        • its_happening

          6 years ago

          Deek isn’t wrong, Ivory….

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        • mcappy

          6 years ago

          Deek is wrong.

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    • ColossusOfClout

      6 years ago

      I call BS on your “all Canada cares about is hockey” cliche., The NFL ratings are strong in Canada, and the NBA has been on the rise for a while now, obviously eclipsing with the Raptors run.

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      • ColossusOfClout

        6 years ago

        MLB ratings were excellent in Canada when the Jays were contenders. So yes they gave a hoot about it, but you gotta field a winner.

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        • its_happening

          6 years ago

          Not….In….Montreal

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  31. zulander

    6 years ago

    What happens when they make the playoffs? Do they split the home games between the U.S. and Canada? Could you buy playoff tickets not knowing which country the home games will be played in?

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  32. jdgoat

    6 years ago

    This is awesome. Even if you have some TB area folks who turn on the franchise, they’d easily make that up through Eastern Canada and the North Eastern states.

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    • DarkSide830

      6 years ago

      i mean will people really be that angry? it would be really petty in my opinion, especially if they are still the town’s team and will play 1/4 of their games there.

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  33. zulander

    6 years ago

    Just move to Orlando

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    • Matt Galvin

      6 years ago

      Second it.

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  34. realgone2

    6 years ago

    This is absurdly ludicrous, MLB/Manfred on the pipe

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  35. DarkSide830

    6 years ago

    very good idea. perhaps it would help the Marlins get 5 more fans in the seats if the Rays leave. oh, and it will actually help the Rays to leave the Florida market (for some reason sports leagues think Florida is a market worth putting several teams in)

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  36. TurkeyClubSamich

    6 years ago

    Montreal Expos + Tampa Bay Rays = MONTREAL TAMPA BAY EX-RAYS

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  37. macstruts

    6 years ago

    Leave it to the Jays to think outside the box. I love it.

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  38. Verlander2TheQuickening

    6 years ago

    Next step will be implementing the opener idea at a stadium level. Play two innings in Florida, put everyone on planes, then finish the game in Montreal.

    Seriously though, I don’t know yet if I like this idea, but as ever, the Rays show themselves to be a pretty forward-thinking franchise. Even if this idea goes nowhere, I give them credit for thinking outside the box.

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    • bobtillman

      6 years ago

      LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Hold all your calls…..we have a winner for POSTER OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!

      How about 3 innings in a stop-over in Charlotte??????????

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      • DarkSide830

        6 years ago

        One inning each in Tampa, Savannah, Charlotte, Nashville, West Virginia, Reading, Williamsport, Buffalo, and finally Montreal

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  39. southern lion

    6 years ago

    Years ago the Sacramento Kings did this as the KC-Omaha Kings. That didn’t last and this won’t either. Stupid idea.

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  40. parkdav

    6 years ago

    The Tampa Bay Rays of Montreal!

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  41. CJNYC

    6 years ago

    MLB wants to turn Baseball into a travelling circus. If you grasp that, how long would it be before other teams head in that direction. At some point in the future, they will go by a name like just Yankees and not New York Yankees. I don’t think I’m taking this too far. Terrible idea.

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    • athleticsnchill

      6 years ago

      Tax payers are always going to be on the hook for something related to these projects; any projects, for that matter. Infrastructural improvements are a necessity, and if you can’t afford those you probably don’t deserve to have the project done.

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      • balloonknots

        6 years ago

        Go see mr Vinik and his financial commitment to Tampa Bay post purchase of the lightning. That’s why he sells out every game as oppose to sternberg who asks and asks and never gives back!
        Tampa offered a 50/50 split not to make the same mistakes Miami made but no he wants it for free.

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        • athleticsnchill

          6 years ago

          I actually responded to the wrong comment. Awkward.

          My comment was more a crack at the city of Oakland, who believe they shouldn’t be on the hook for anything regarding the A’s new stadium. Roads, freeway access, etc., are all they’re going to be asked to make investments to. So far as I can tell the A’s are taking care of literally everything else.

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  42. bradthebluefish

    6 years ago

    As long as Stu Sternberg foots the bill and not us taxpayers, then he should be able to build a stadium wherever he likes.

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  43. Ackattack

    6 years ago

    Just add 2 expansion teams. One in Montreal and the other in Vegas

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  44. itslonelyatthetrop

    6 years ago

    Inevitable. I hope they go to Montreal full-time.

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  45. PepperoniPapi

    6 years ago

    Are they going to call them The Snowbirds? That’s what we call NYC retired folks who spend the winter/spring in FL for the tax shelter and then bolt north right after Memorial Day Weekend. This is just some BS wannabe game theory/4D chess nonsense to get Tampa to pony up for a better stadium. MLB trying to create leverage where they have none with this trial balloon to get everyone talking. Also, the Rays are committed to St. Pete until 2027 anyway, no? Silly stuff.

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  46. sufferforsnakes

    6 years ago

    Just looking for leverage in their attempt to get a new ballpark in Ybor City.

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  47. tigersfan1320

    6 years ago

    So would they be called the Montreal-Tampa rays??

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  48. ba2929

    6 years ago

    Didn’t the Expos do a split between Puerto Rico in the final few years of their stay in Montreal?

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  49. cgallant

    6 years ago

    Clever idea but I can’t see the players union approving this.

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  50. balloonknots

    6 years ago

    Another ploy to get the Tampa community to pony up a new stadium with zero financial commitment from sternberg. Cmon just sell the team to Vinik – we will all be much better off
    If you don’t want invest in Tampa or sell the team then leave this top 10 tv growth market so we can get a new franchise down the road with a real owner.

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    • petrie000

      6 years ago

      a new owner won’t change the fact that most people in the Tampa area moved there from somewhere else and already have loyalties to other teams, and there’s absolutely no growth potential since they’re hemmed in by the Braves to the north and ocean in every other direction.

      it’s a dead end market, was from the start.

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      • athleticsnchill

        6 years ago

        You act like fans of other teams don’t attend games of the teams in their area. You should see the diversity of A’s games. I see tons of different hats, jerseys, shirts, etc.

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        • petrie000

          6 years ago

          that’s sort of why Oakland’s a dead end market too. Nobody shows up to see THEM, they show up to see the people playing them.

          No matter how good the team may be, there is no long term security an owner can leverage into future payroll commitments an little chance at a lucrative TV contract.

          No offense meant to the fans of either team, but both of them need to move or both of them will die slowly.

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        • athleticsnchill

          6 years ago

          Oakland isn’t a dead end market, the Coliseum is a dead end venue. San Francisco had the same problem before they opened Pacbell Park, and that turned their franchise around. Same can be done in Oakland at Howard Terminal,

          Like Candlestick for most of the Giants’ tenure in San Francisco, the Coliseum doesn’t really draw the crowds any team wants to see. Makes it hard for ownership to commit what would be expected from the market on players because it would result in financial losses. Really simple economics.

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        • petrie000

          6 years ago

          Oakland is a tiny island in a sea of Giants fans. They already lost the popularity battle in the surrounding area leaving them no room for growth.

          It’s pretty much the definition of a dead end market, since it’s already a small market and has no prospects for ever changing from a media perspective.

          if they don’t get out from under SF’s shadow, the A’s will always be an afterthought

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        • athleticsnchill

          6 years ago

          Absolutely incorrect, Oakland is not a dead end market. A’s fans are still there, they just want to see this stadium get built so they can really commit to the franchise again. There’s nothing quite as frustrating as not knowing if your team will even be there in a few years. And like literally every other team, fans want to watch winning baseball, or at least competent baseball. For 3 years there were weren’t doing either, and our attendance was representative of that.

          And the Giants aren’t really looking all that great right now. Makes it the perfect time for the A’s to strike, get contender built and get the ballpark under way.

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        • petrie000

          6 years ago

          romanticizing things doesn’t change the fact that even when the A’s are good, they’re no selling out and even you said you see just as many road fans as home fans

          compare that to the Giants who draw pretty well even when they’re awful and that alone tells you everything you need to know about who controls that media market

          i applaud your loyalty, i really do. But there’s just no future for the A’s the doean’t involve relocation.

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        • athleticsnchill

          6 years ago

          Nah, we’re fine in Oakland. Thanks for giving your 100% expert input, though.

          Clown.

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        • petrie000

          6 years ago

          the hard numbers disagree with your clearly unbiased opinions, but you do you i guess.

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        • Anthony Princeton

          6 years ago

          I have been to the Bay area probably a dozen times. Visited Napa, Sonoma, Sausalito and Carmel to name a few spots. I think I drove through part of Oakland once and it looked like an industrial wasteland. I have never heard of anyone I know visit the Bay area and actually want to go to Oakland, and that includes my family in LA. The only story I have of the city is when a friend moved there for about 5 minutes, until someone was shot in front of his building. But you are probably right, Oakland is fine.

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      • balloonknots

        6 years ago

        So how come the lightning sell out every game and have a waiting list for season tickets. My bet it’s mr Vinik who is adored for investment back to his community and winning product to boot. Those transplants show up and root for the lightning.

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        • its_happening

          6 years ago

          Because the Lightning’s arena is located in downtown Tampa Bay.

          Rays are located in the middle of nowhere in St Petes.

          Big difference.

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        • athleticsnchill

          6 years ago

          He assumes by my saying, “diverse fan base,” I mean every other team’s fans outnumber as in our own ballpark, which is false. There are transplants everywhere. Gotta make them feel like this could be their team away from home. The Lightning might be a good example for the A’s to look at to try and indoctrinate them into our wild ranks.

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        • petrie000

          6 years ago

          because the play in a 10K seat arena and play half as many home games? simply laws of supply and demand kind of answer your question….

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        • balloonknots

          6 years ago

          I agree downtown Tampa is a better location but the city offered that location with 50/50 cost to build. Sternberg laughed at offer. Absentee owner not committed to community should not get a better offer. See Miami and their errors. Don’t understand why mlb supports pillaging a community cause it really worked well in Miami right?

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        • its_happening

          6 years ago

          Balloonknots I do agree with your point on Miami. A big city with strange demographics, strange meaning not really into baseball. Been to Miami a few times and noticed a beautiful city taken for granted.

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      • Jbigz12

        6 years ago

        The Braves do not infringe upon TB’s Market considering they play 7 hours apart from each other. That’s the equivalent of the Pirates complaining that the Orioles infringe on their market.

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        • petrie000

          6 years ago

          i never said they impinged, i said they limited the growth potential. Which is an entirely different concept.

          If the Rays can’t drum up interest outside of Central Florida, who are they expected to sell TV rights to? And they can’t so east, west or south because, well, there’s nobody there considering it’s ocean or Cuba…

          If it tries to go north, it buts right p against ‘Brave Country’, good luck winning that fight.

          ‘infringe’ and ‘limit’ are different words for a reason

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          And my point is that there’s probably a little bit of space in between 7 hours of distance in a state with a population of 21 million to potentially carve out a market. If they’re able to get off the peninsula they’re currently playing on.

          Reply
        • petrie000

          6 years ago

          a little bit, sure, but it’s not densely populated between Jacksonville/Pensacola and Tampa. the population is clustered mostly in the north and the south.

          North Florida is decidedly Braves territory, Miami they have to share at best. So yeah, not a lot of avenues for growing a fanbase base, which is why the Rays have such a bleak outlook when it comes to growth and why there never should have been a team there to begin with

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        • balloonknots

          6 years ago

          Tampabay which goes down to Naples too is the 11th largest TV market in North America and growing at a rapid rate (top 10 by next year). Also rays claim the Orlando market which the 18th largest tv market. Ps Tampa surpassed Montreal market which is growing at much slower pace then the south east of the states.

          Im not sure what ur case is but the 10th best market plus and rapid growth. A ten be here even if rats choose to leave!

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      • therealryan

        6 years ago

        What are you talking about? Florida is the 3rd most populous state and the 3rd fastest growing state. As to the Tampa Bay area specifically, it is the 11th largest media market in the US and also one of the fastest growing. If they lose the Rays, Tampa would be the largest market without an MLB team. For some comparison, Tampa’s media market is over 60% larger than the 22nd ranked Portland and 23rd ranked Charlotte and over 80% larger than the 27th ranked Nashville.

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  51. Yankeepatriot

    6 years ago

    Just move them to Las Vegas

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  52. TeeBallChampion

    6 years ago

    It’s wild that this idea is being publicly floated. I’m embarrassed for them.

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  53. madmanTX

    6 years ago

    Woo hoo! Now I can wear my Expos hat again!

    Reply
  54. carlos15

    6 years ago

    Manfred is an imbecile

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  55. 90shair

    6 years ago

    Move it to Mexico City.
    Trade for Brooks Pounders.
    Hire Will Ferrel as skipper.

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  56. southpaw2153

    6 years ago

    Montreal was never a ” storied ” franchise. Attendance was poor and the stadium was an abomination. Would be apropos for the Rays to play in another dump on top of their own.

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  57. petrie000

    6 years ago

    or, in plain english, “MLB not so subtly threatens St. Petersburg to either build a real stadium or lose the team”.

    i just feel bad for Montreal. This is just gonna perpetuate the myth that it’s a viable baseball market…

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    • Vizionaire

      6 years ago

      rays can’t stay in st. petersburg even if they get a new pad.

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      • petrie000

        6 years ago

        not really. there is no good place for a stadium (i do live in the area, just before anybody gets defensive. i do know what i’m talking about).

        St. Pete has to let the team move to Tampa proper or so the outskirts… but won’t because of some silly idea that ‘loss of prestige’ matters…

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        • Vizionaire

          6 years ago

          that’s exactly what i meant.

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  58. bobtillman

    6 years ago

    Coming next: the Oakland-Tokyo Athletics……

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    • athleticsnchill

      6 years ago

      That’d be super yikes. Although my A’s fandom ends the moment they relocate. In fact, I probably stop watching baseball period. Would be sad if they don’t do enough to keep the A’s in the Bay.

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    • Vizionaire

      6 years ago

      better yet, oakland-mexico city!

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  59. rivera42

    6 years ago

    Not sure if they could’ve come up with a worse idea than this.

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    • petrie000

      6 years ago

      they could have extended their lease with the dump the Rays play in now.

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  60. tank62

    6 years ago

    This is hilarious
    2 cities
    1 team
    Zero fans.
    Just move to San Antonio

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    • its_happening

      6 years ago

      Well said.

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  61. SoCalAngelsFan75

    6 years ago

    Have the Blue Jays split time between TOR and MON in the AL. Have the Marlins split time between TB and MIA in the NL. Send the Rays to a market that can support them for 81 home games. Threaten other teams that won’t spend to field a competitive team with this strategy. Looking at you Mariners. Have them split time between SEA and Portland.

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    • petrie000

      6 years ago

      why inflict the misery that is the Marlins on anyone else? that’s just cruel…

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  62. Vizionaire

    6 years ago

    nothing but a ploy to extract a few canadian dollars.

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    • jd396

      6 years ago

      If like twenty people showed up for a game in Montreal it’s a win for the rays.

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  63. truthlemonade

    6 years ago

    Fascinating…
    1. What does “approval” mean? Can’t the Rays just “explore” this without approval. I guess approval means that MLB is saying that they are open to it.

    2. I think that few players would be excited to play in both Montreal and TB. Only the ones desperate to make the majors.

    3. In the NBA, the Sacramento Kings were once the Kansas City-Omaha Kings. That sounds horrible. Not one, but TWO of the worst cities in the NBA! The Warriors are called “Golden State” because the plan was once that they would split their home games between Oakland and San Diego. That never came to pass, but they kept the name.

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  64. towinagain

    6 years ago

    The Montampa Expays!

    Has a great ring to it!

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  65. dvmin98

    6 years ago

    So basically, Tampa gets the first half and Montreal gets the playoff run and playoffs? Yeah, sounds fair.

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  66. wkkortas

    6 years ago

    They can compare notes on which building will crumble first.

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  67. bravesfan

    6 years ago

    I think a small market team having multiple smaller stadiums in small markets makes sense. But this specific situation doesn’t make sense. Lol. Make more sense to do one team in say fl and the other stadium in Birmingham AL, or one in north and South Carolina. Or Omaha and Fargo? Idk, not those cities exactly but u get my thinking. Closer cities and prob should picks cities where baseball kinda failed already

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  68. DarkSide830

    6 years ago

    I like the East Coast ERaysers as the new name

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  69. the guru

    6 years ago

    this is dumb. FIRE MANFRED. He has destroyed MLB.

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  70. lowtalker1

    6 years ago

    The mayor is butt hurt bc the Rays round a solution… awww

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  71. Christopher_Oriole

    6 years ago

    Just move them out west to Vegas. Or Utah. They’ll likely have a much larger fan base.

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    • lowtalker1

      6 years ago

      Good place for the As

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  72. hiflew

    6 years ago

    Montreal is the perfect example of rose-colored nostalgia glasses. Montreal was not exactly a hot ticket ever, but very few people cared about baseball in Montreal after the strike of 1994 up until their move to Washington in 2005. Once the move happened, it became one of those situations like when you try to get rid of a toy a child is not playing with and then they start crying for it. As soon as you give it back, the child starts ignoring it again.

    Besides Montreal should be an NL city, not an AL city.

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    • DarkSide830

      6 years ago

      The Braves can take their place in the AL, thats fine.

      Reply
      • hiflew

        6 years ago

        If the Rays moved to Montreal, I’d prefer moving them to the NL and putting 2 expansion teams in the AL and getting rid of interleague play permanently. But that’ll never happen, even if it should.

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        • DarkSide830

          6 years ago

          then they can move to the Central. no thank you on the extra team in our division.

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        • hiflew

          6 years ago

          There wouldn’t be an extra team in divisions if they put 2 expansion teams in the AL. There would 16 teams in each league and they could do 4 4 team divisions fairly easily.

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        • cman

          6 years ago

          it actually might. Manfred wants expansion but only after Tampa Bay and Oakland resolve their stadium issues. It’s like you said, they need to get to 16 teams each league and get rid of this stupid inter-league play that throws all the schedules out of wack.

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  73. jd396

    6 years ago

    It would be easier to talk about how bad of an idea this is if being the Rays wasn’t so awful to begin with. Every objection can be countered with a dismissive, “What, is their attendance going to drop?”

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  74. jorge78

    6 years ago

    St. Petersburg mayor NOT amused. NOT a shocking headline!

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  75. bosox2004

    6 years ago

    TB doesn’t deserve a team

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    • deek158

      6 years ago

      Nor does Montreal

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  76. Bigtimeyankeefan

    6 years ago

    How about the tampon rays(Tampa Montreal lol)

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  77. atlas bunts

    6 years ago

    What a rivalry!

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  78. bobtillman

    6 years ago

    Of course publicizing this news will do WONDERS for current attendance…..thus making the need for relocation a self-fulfilling prophesy…..

    Maybe those folks aren’t as dumb as we think……

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    • therealryan

      6 years ago

      The Rays are an exciting, young team coming off a 90 win season and currently on pace for 90+ wins and the playoffs. The team is also built to continue winning with a young core that is under team control for several more seasons, the #1 prospect in baseball, and the 2nd best farm system. Despite all of this, in the past month they’ve had the 2 lowest attended games in franchise history and couldn’t sellout of 5000 tickets at $5 each for multiple games. The Rays have also attempted to reach stadium deals in both St Petersburg and Tampa over the past decade with little to no support from local residents and/or politicians on the way to both plans being scrapped.

      Sternberg took over a franchise that was the laughing stock of professional sports and made them a perrennial winner in baseball’s most competitive division, while working with some of the worst revenues in the sport. Sternberg has also spent $10’s of millions on renovations to improve the fan experience at Tropicana Field and the team still doesn’t draw. As a proud local resident who grew up in the area before the Rays existed, I definitely prefer to keep the Rays in the Tampa Bay region. However I don’t fault Sternberg at all for trying to shake something up. If the residents of Tampa Bay are serious about keeping the Rays, now is the time to step forward. If not, Montreal or Portland or another city will.

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      • Jbigz12

        6 years ago

        The rays are constantly in the lowest percentage of revenue spent on their MLB payroll. Their current payroll is less than the 70MM they spent in 2017 as I posted below. Their revenue may be the lowest in baseball but Sternberg fully acts like it is with the way he spends on his club. Though I agree with you their FO does arguably the best job in baseball YoY given their financial limitations. Sternberg however does not make an attempt to stretch those finances either.

        pbs.twimg.com/media/DUQ_FZtUQAAfCgM.jpg:large

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  79. samantha02

    6 years ago

    Take the angels turn them into the expos

    Reply
  80. washington_bonercats

    6 years ago

    Im praying for a full relocation and a rebirth of the Expos

    Reply
  81. slider32

    6 years ago

    I haven’t heard any complaints from Tampa, time to move on to Canada full time. Montreal is a perfect location if they build a dome.

    Reply
  82. 66TheNumberOfTheBest

    6 years ago

    This will get Bob Nutting thinking. The Pittsburgh/Charlotte/Nashville Pirates. 27 games in each city.

    Reply
  83. thughand

    6 years ago

    And I suppose whichever city draws the biggest crowds to their games during the regular season gets the playoff games.

    Reply
  84. MarinerMiner

    6 years ago

    Maybe paying hourly wages and salaries in the Canadian dollar for half a season will help Tampa ownership save more money throughout the season?

    Reply
  85. pjmcnu

    6 years ago

    Reads like MLB having the Expos play games in Puerto Rico back in the day. Tampa Bay’s baseball days are numbered.

    Reply
  86. Asmongold

    6 years ago

    With the exception of Florida nearly every surrounding state of GA are Braves fans. FSSO and FSSE are televised on 5-6 states around them. I’d love seeing a stadium with a majority of opposing fans. /s

    I don’t want to see them go back to Montreal, either. Olympic stadium was the armpit stinkhole of baseball stadiums. Every game I watched when the Braves played them was depressing. Then again I guess I just despise teams that play in Domes.

    Move them out west or get a new stadium in Montreal and keep them out of the NL.

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  87. Groucho

    6 years ago

    Wow. Just like splitting time between two parents, neither of whom pay much attention.

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  88. bobtillman

    6 years ago

    More like the sad story of the young kid whose a TV star, and neither parent cares about him, just about the money he’s making…….

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  89. nickyfives

    6 years ago

    Baseball is way more popular in Quebec than it used to be… You would hardly see any hats or merch when I was a kid and the expos are around, now you go anywhere and you see not only Jays merch, but all other teams

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  90. Baytown

    6 years ago

    Beach towns have trouble attracting attendance. San Diego, Tampa and Miami all the same problem. Are you gonna go to the beach and watch girls catch rays or pay to watch guys field baseballs?
    Someone mentioned Portland. Good idea. They’ve got great community spirit and lots of young people with tech money in hand.

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  91. DarthDbacks

    6 years ago

    Split the season in 2 and giving one half to each city would be horrible for fans from both cities. Say Rays are a playoff team only one city gets to attend those key games late in season.
    But with about 2 home series a month, if you gave 1 to each city then you may be able to get more attendance per game if people have less games to attend.

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  92. ericl

    6 years ago

    This is the Rays way of putting pressure on the local authorities to fix the stadium issue. The Rays cannot survive if they continue to play in their current awful stadium. The have to have a new stadium. It is leverage.. If the mayor of St. Petersburg doesn’t like, then stop dragging your feet on a new stadium. Otherwise, maybe the area should just stick to the Lightning & Buccaneers

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    • its_happening

      6 years ago

      Tampa’s problem would be solved with a new stadium in the city of Tampa. People from Orlando wouldn’t have to drive an extra 30 (or more) to St Petes. People do not seem to understand Montreal as a city. It is much different than it was in the 60’s and 70’s. There is a reason they stopped going to games in the 80’s. Even Pete Rose couldn’t save them.

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  93. johnk

    6 years ago

    I was in Tampa. Called the ballpark….What time does the game start?
    What time can you get here?

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  94. jekporkins

    6 years ago

    Why Montreal? It had MLB baseball for a long time and they desperately needed a new stadium to compete. Where will they play?

    If you want to test a different market perhaps Mexico City, Charlotte (it’s somewhat close and on the same coast) or Portland (OR)?

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  95. cman

    6 years ago

    This is a really bad idea. Just move the team to Nashville or Charlotte or somewhere out west like Portland or Vegas and be done with it. Montreal has NEVER drawn well except in the late 70’s early 80’s.

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  96. ba9oriole

    6 years ago

    I keep hearing people say this, and it’s not true. The Rays current stadium is NOT in Tampa. It’s in St. Petersburg. If they got a new stadium built actually in Tampa, they’d be in a bigger population area and be closer to Orlando so they could be within driving distance for more people.

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