OCT. 31: Bogar is no longer in the running for the job, Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports. Bogar’s elimination from the race “raises the chances” the Mets will hire Beltran, Perez, Shelton or Murphy, per Sherman.
OCT. 29: Depending upon one’s perspective, the Mets have either been exceedingly thorough or maddeningly indecisive in choosing their next skipper. As of yesterday, the club had advanced to a third round of interviews with at least five candidates still under consideration by ownership and GM Brodie Van Wagenen.
We’ll use this post to track the day’s developments in the hiring search. There are two threads of reporting on the topic at the moment.
Jon Heyman of MLB Network sees things beginning to move towards a conclusion. He tweets that only four men appear still to be under consideration: Tim Bogar, Eduardo Perez, Derek Shelton, and Carlos Beltran. That would indicate that recent entrant Pat Murphy has been dropped from the search — and that there aren’t any other candidates floating around.
That is decidedly not the take of Andy Martino of SNY.tv (links to Twitter). He suggests that there are other candidates in play and that the process remains rather open-ended.
Specifically, per Martino, Triple-A skipper Tony DeFrancesco has interviewed and may still be in the mix. The long-time minor-league manager took over the Mets’ top affiliate for Pedro Lopez, who had lasted only one season after replacing the inimitable Wally Backman.
By Martino’s reckoning, that may not be the only wrinkle left. He suggests there may still be “more going on than we know” behind the scenes in Queens. That could yet include “high-profile names” on the “periphery” of the process.
As we noted yesterday, there’s no real reason that the Mets need to rush through the final decision here. Several other teams have already lined up skippers and the other remaining searches appear to be focused on other names (or, in the case of the Pirates, temporarily stalled out). Still, it’s rather interesting to see such a lengthy and free-ranging hiring process, the well-publicized nature of which is sure to invite plenty of questions (and perhaps, ultimately, second-guessing) once the organization finally does set its course.
Girardi was already hired by the Phillies?
can he manage both?
Meet the Mets.
Beat the Mets.
Watch their owners hire a used car salesman last year…
Watch Mr. Slick over negotiate the manager role…
Just like last year when he over negotiated with
Now you’ve got over-the-hill Cano for 4 more years.
stick to your day job
I’m a met fan and all I have to say we don’t have a shot in hell how this team is being run.They have talent but not enough and they probably won’t add that much in the off season UNBELIEVABLE
Speaking strictly from the gut, I like Bogar. I don’t know enough about Beltran to know if he’d be a successful manager or if the way he played and acted still even exists in today’s game.
Oh the pain
The unnamed bombshell candidate is Mike Francesa.
His first move is to increase the price of the New York Mets app to $9.99/month.
Nah, it’s Jessica Mendoza.
Not that a woman could never be a manager but please not Mendoza
She’s horrible in the booth. Makes ARod look good if that’s possible.
We’ll have a new president before the Mets hire their next manager.
Make the Mets great again.
Never great til Wilson’s are gone.WHAT A MESS
The last time the Mets had any corporate individual (owner) with any balls was when Nelson Doubleday was here and we got mike piazza – ever since then we get second rate players that other teams don’t want anymore and agents with no experience who become general managers – why hire a manager with proven experience (girardi) – here are some great choices – Gary Cohen (announcer) – Lenny Dykstra (convict) – just get anyone who has no experience at all – we as fans should boycott the Mets and stop going to games until the Wilpons sell the team – it’s obvious these owners have no clue
ok, ok, I’ll take the job. Geez…
Bring back Bobby Valentine or Terry Collins.
Willie Randolph doesn’t look that bad these days.
He looks pretty good right now oh the horror
Kevin Michael Farrell
Willie Never looked bad. It was all Omar’s insane mess. Willie had ZERO control!
Bobby V was a piece of manure before he ever came to The Mets and I cant believe how many delusional Mets Fans don’t remember how badly everybody wanted him gone.
Terry wasn’t a bad guy, but he seemed to lose his team in the final year. Just seemed like he either got soft or just lost control!
Bogar seemed to me like the best candidate available from the start. I cant personally stand Girardi. he is a putz! Beltran might do great, but he has no credentials yet. He needs to manage somewhere in the minors first.
The rest of the candidates I know nothing about!
Wilpons probably waiting for Series to conclude in order to name Tim Bogar. Why else would this be taking so long?
Because they’re selecting a manager for their billion dollar franchise. Jeez, people. The season isn’t even technically over yet. I would rather they do their due diligence and make a thoughtful hire than just hammer in a retread.
Unfortunately none of the New york teams have a clue. This is coming from a Mets, Knicks, Ny Giants and Ranger fan. Yankees also dont have a clue if they think they can win with out an ace pitcher in the playoffs, At least the Yankees make it to the playoffs.
Its so hard being a Mets fan. I mean who they think they trying to convince, taking so long to pick the one coach they probably had in mind since they fired Calloway.
Who was the Royals ace in 2015, against the Mets? Weren’t the Mets the ones with the aces? It’s an 11-20 game sample, anything can happen. Key is to get in. Anyone can get hot or go cold in that small of a sample.
Um…the Royals had like 3 closers. All they did was keep the games close so they’d have the advantage when the moments of truth happened. Also, the Mets had a very weak defense – with probably four guys in the infield that belonged on 1B or DH (Wright, Murphy, Duda, d’Arnaud). All those teams that focus solely on analytics without using some old fashion common sense, always get exposed in the postseason for the flaws that are left open (like questionable defense because ‘it’s better to get a good hitter at premium positions than it is to get a light hitter who can actually field the position’).
Cueto finished 2 in cy young the year before. He was their mid season grab. That’s an ace. Ventura and volquez has good, but not great years. They also had an exceptional lineup that had played together for years. and three ace relievers.
Amazing how we both saw why the Royals beat the Mets and this person saw the World Series, but was clearly only seeing the Mets side of things and didn’t pay attention to anything the Royals had. People knew the Royals were going to beat the Mets. But the Mets fan base has been fooled by the media hyping up that overrated pitching staff that hasn’t lived up to all that hype.
And stuff like this is why a manager gets fired after winning 86 games with this roster that people outside of the fan base are surprised won that many games. All of the other 29 fan bases (including the Yankees) see their manager win 86 games with this roster, and they’re commending the manager for being able to squeeze that many wins out of this overrated roster, led by an overrated pitching staff.
Kevin Michael Farrell
That’s true! Mets starters were on during that series. it was ALL on Familia!
Mets were leading game 1 in the ninth before Famila blew it and they lost in 14.
KC dominated deGrom in game 2
Mets led most of game 3 and actually held on to win that one
Familia again blew game 4 late in the 8th
and again Familia blew game 5 in the 9th and KC went on to win the game and the series in the 12th!
3 games the Mets win if Familia doesn’t blow it! Familia dominated the season, but could save his own life in the World Series!
In my mind The Mets didn’t lose that series, Familia and Terry Collins did!
KC did what good teams do, they took advantage of a guy that was simply imploding and won that series, and Familia has never been the same since!
Looking for the guy who will take the lowest salary. Waiting for Mgr to be to ask for less than they’re offering.
Or perhaps BVW is working on another blockbuster middle infielder signee? Not that the Mets need a stud catcher or bullpen help…
What happened between the Mets and Wally Backman? I thought he was a good guy for them and now he is coaching indy league ball I don’t get it.
I know. I was being facetious. Breaks my heart though because Wally was my favorite player to the extent I carried his baseball card in my uniform back pocket to remind me to work hard and hustle.
HE drinks during games & is a woman abuser. Otherwise he’s the MAN.
Wally Backman needs Alcoholics Anonymous and anger management before he even is considered for any type of job involved in an MLB franchise. Sadly, he feels he doesn’t have a problem, so it may have to be forced upon him.
Backman and Dykstra should go bowling.
Why would Clint Hurdle not be in the mix?
*insert clepto, i mean Clint Hurdle’s burner account*
The Mets are buying a house man!
“Sometimes it’s easier to understand things than it is to figure them out.”
Casey Stengel died in 1975 otherwise the Wilpons wouldve hired him . . . . but only because they’d have been at a 1960’s pay rate.
Casey Stengel actually did manage the Mets.
Look for former BVM clients as mystery candidates.
rumor has it that Hulk Hogan, Lars from Metallica, Guy Fieri and Kermit the frog are all very much still being considered for the Mets manager job. . . . . obviously Kermit is the front runner since he already has experience being a puppet !!
Ok, now that Kermit comment is actually funny. Well done!
what about Buck Schowalter? and maybe Beltran as bench coach to gain experience??
Buck would actually require and expect players to work. He doesn’t suffer fools.
Please Met fans take a pause
BVW demonstrated last off season that he had a logical plan
He pursued up grades at catcher, center field, the bull pen as well as depth and flexibility
Couldn’t reach agreement for Realmuto, offered more money for Crandal then Brewers but turned down
Then settled on plan C Ramos
Couldn’t reach agreement with Pollack because of his injury past ( he ended up spending a good chunk of time on injured list )
Seemingly up graded the bull pen with the top 2018 closer in Diaz
By taking Cano it added to their depth ( demonstrated by McNeil being able to play great at numerous positions ) McNeil was even slated to be their emergency catcher
They knew that Alonso had a chance to be good but NO ONE could have predicted what he actually did.
The original thinking was start him out at Syracuse and bring him up tear a month ( although BVW did promise him that he could win the job in spring training )
They were thinking that first base would start out with a combo of Frazier, Lowrie, Smith, if he could earn it, Lowrie and Davis ( a unheralded acquisition then )
The acquisition of Cano ( age,post drug suspension and future financial requirements )was risky.
But if Diaz had put anything close to the same numbers as 2018 would we be as negatively worked?
The acquisition of Lowrie and Familia ended being a disaster
Lowrie had come off of one of his best years and had not missed any playing time, thus giving them a versatile option
Familia literally has unbelievable movement but uncontrollable as well ( he at age 28 is the type of player that pitching coaches rave about but cant’t harness )
Last year was horrible in the first half but fantastic in the second half
A number of players have established themselves as major league bonafides if not stars
Above average starting staff along with a mostly solid lineup
Concentrate on bull pen and enjoy the unfolding process
BVW with his in your face boldness reminds one of when Davey Johnson became manager and let it be known how great a signing that was
Enjoy the process, it is well run despite the Wilson’s
Finally, a commenter on a Mets article with some sense.
He shouldn’t of taken on Cano’s contract for and unproven closer, who had a career year? That was just foolish to give away Kelenic and the pitcher. Bringing back Familia wasn’t a smart move either.
Agree on all points above. I’m still 50/50 in whether Callaway did a good job or not. The team never quit, but it took until the second half due him to seemingly get the players where he wanted them. To me, batting Cano third the first half cost the Mets about 10 games. He was THAT bad. Now the question is: did that order come from the front office? Same with Familia in the 8th inning and Diaz in the 9th, regardless of results. On most days, he had no fewer than 6 infielders in the game and made it work. How deGrom only has 21 wins in two very consistent, dominant years is unbelievable. I think the biggest disappointment is how none of the pitchers on this staff got any better if he’s such a pitching guru. He couldn’t give any input or spot flaws or guide his pitching coaches in the right direction to get the more quality out of Syndergaard, Wheeler, Matz, Gsellman, Familia, Diaz, etc?
Where would the Mets have finished without Alonso and McNeil?
We need two solid, experienced and consistent bullpen arms, at least one starter to replace Wheeler and an every day solid right handed hitting outfielder, especially if Davis takes over at third. Then we need an mlb experienced outfield depth piece and one utility infielder, like Lowery was supposed to be. Mets are close, especially if Diaz can get straightened out and Cano stays hurt.
Marc (Phillies Phan)
I enjoyed reading these are I absolutely liked all points made.
I also did not think Callaway was that bad. He was much better than Kapler but like any inexperienced manager he made simple mistakes (more in 2018). I actually think he was really good in 2019 with their 86 wins. I think he will learn from Joe Maddon and I hope he will get another shot later.
I am a baseball fan first so I mean this with sincerity not sarcastically.
Here’s some great chicken soup for us optimistic Mets fans
2016 Astros went 84-78 and missed the playoffs. These young hitters did this:
George Springer (Age 26): 5.1 WAR
Jose Altuve (Age 26): 7.7 WAR
Carlos Correa (Age 21) 6.1 WAR
Alex Bregman (Age 22) 1.8 WAR in just 49 games
2019 Mets went 86-76, also missed the playoffs and did this:
Pete Alonso (Age 24): 5.0 WAR
Jeff McNeil (Age 27): 5.0 WAR
Michael Conforto (Age 26): 3.5 WAR
Amed Rosario (Age 23): 1.8 WAR
2017-19 Astros went 311-175 with a ring and two pennants. Those same guys:
Springer: 13.6 WAR, 3x All-Star games, 1x Silver Slugger
Altuve: 17 WAR, 1x MVP, 2x Silver Sluggers, 2x All-Star games
Correa: 10.7 WAR, 1x All-Star
Bregman: 19.1 WAR, 2x All-Star
Maybe it’s a stretch, but maybe it’s not…
Excuse some spelling errors meant Wilpon’s ot Wilson
Tony DeFrancesco is a solid candidate that no one seems to know about. He has managed in the A’s and Astros systems and the last two years with the Mets. He is local guy, born in the Bronx, a catcher with Seton Hall university and then in the minors before starting his minor league managing career. He has a .554 lifetime winning percentage at AAA over 16 years, which multiplied by a 162 game season equates to winning 90 games a year over 16 years. He teaches and develops and he has worked with the analytics since The early days of Money Ball. He has worked with Pete Alonso and Jeff McNeil, with Dallas Keuchel and Brad Peacock and Carlos Correa and Jake Marisnick and Yuki Gurriel And Marwan Gonzalez and kiki Hernandez and rich Harden and Andrew Bailey and george Springer etc etc etc. He knows what it takes to be a big leaguer. He knows how to win. And he is a former catcher and knows when a pitcher is gassed. Like Girardi. And he is as old as Girardi, and 2 years older than Bogar, who is also a good candidate. He paid his dues. This should be his time.
I guess the question may be, “Does he want the job?” He may be very content doing exactly what he is without all the scrutiny. He is obviously very good at what he does. Might be a better teacher than policeman.
They should extend Bobby Bonilla’s contract!
and the new manager of the NY mets is…scott boras 😀
did the Nats fire Boras??
Sell the Team!
Dear Mets Front Office,
I am available for hire…. 750,000 K per year. 10 World Series trophies on MLB the Show. 8 time manager of the year and salary guru.. EMail me and lets make the Magic Mets happen!
Brodie would love to hire his best friend and big name WS manager. Granted he will have to trade all the Mets international slot money and the two guys left in the farm system to the Astros for his rights. And then bestow a 7 year $70M contract on AJ… Fluid to the top!!
Maybe Coach Kleats?
Their best choice will be in the Philadelphia dugout next year.
No silly, Walter Cooler.
Are there any real facts or actual news being reported in this ‘article’? According to this ramble, there are 4, 5, 6 or as many as 8-10 men in the running with the very real possibility that NONE of them get the job. Truthfully, I’m ok with that if they aren’t hearing the words they need to be confident in their decision. If it’s because they are looking for a puppet, then it’s an issue.
Hindsight being 20/20, the 2015 Mets went 90-72 and won the pennant. The 2019 Mets went 86-76 and missed the playoffs. I think the 2020 Mets are in a better position to contend than the 2016 Mets were if you think about it.
Of our starting lineup from the World Series, only Conforto remains as an everyday player.. Murphy left in free agency after the season and Granderson and Duda were traded the following year. Flores and d’Arnaud never developed into everyday players and injuries sapped Wright and Cespedes of their abilities. Collins and Alderson went from winning the pennant to essentially forced retiring within 2 years. Even looking back now, none of those players really were seen as future building blocks outside of d’Arnaud and Conforto.
This time around, Alonso, McNeil, Davis, Rosario, and Smith broke out in major ways and the first ones won’t hit free agency until 2025. Ramos is coming off a career year and is an upcoming free agent, so he will be motivated to perform, and Conforto still has two more years of team control. Even with struggles from expensive veterans in Lowrie, Cespedes, and Cano, none of it matters because none of them have to play: the Mets young depth will play them all right out of the lineup. (Think the Yankees not feeling the need to rush the rehab of Ellsbury or Stanton back from injury when you have better, younger in-house solutions.) And the commonality between both the 2015 and 2020 Mets is that you still have deGrom, Syndergaard, and Matz in the rotation.
I would hope that the Mariners trade debacle, combined with eating his words on “come and get us”, taught Brodie a little lesson in humility. He got burned trading young talent last year, and the rumors we’ve seen lately for J.D. Davis and Dom Smith make no sense at all. Neither are good enough to get a big return, so just hold on to them. For a club that’s gone 233-253 since 2017 and is about to have their third manager in the last four years, the Mets have some outstanding chemistry and they play with a joy that’s the best I’ve seen in my lifetime following this team. (I’m 28, so I can’t speak for the Gary Carter years).
Steven St Croix
“ Bogar’s elimination from the race “raises the chances” the Mets will hire Beltran, Perez, Shelton or Murphy, per Sherman.”
So if there is 4, and one drops out, the other 3 have better chances? Wow!
giants number 1 fan
The next Mets manager is going to be trash again. More of the same. Fire BVW
Screw it, take a chance on Beltran.
Just give the job to Beltran already.
he will be a horrible hire !
Seriously it’s hard to be a Mets fan.
They will probably hire Carlos Dominate in my Contract Year, Coast Every Non Contract Year Beltran….or as he’s referred to in my household..Strike Three Looking Beltran.
Are you seriously asking for Wally Backman? Did you not see the posts above talking about why he is out of anything to do with any MLB franchise?
Wow! You guys are supposedly Mets fans, but have no clue about anything…even your own team.
Go read up on why Wally Backman is gone out of baseball and stuck managing in an Independent League.
This managing thing with the Mets makes me have the same feeling as all of us Marlins, Nats, Phillies, and Braves fans.
I’ve said it before and will say it again. It doesn’t matter how bad any of our teams are or how badly our seasons go, we can always count on the Mets to take the throne of being the laughing stock in the NL East. It’s no wonder that they now have the longest World Series Championship drought in the NL East as well.
Nats – 2019
Phillies – 2008
Braves – 1995
Mets – 1986
Being a fish fan makes you a laughing stock
2 championships in 27 seasons versus 2 championships in 58 seasons. Yeah, who is the laughing stock?
Try harder. The Marlins are the laughing stock of the NL East and have been for quite some time.
Last championships by NL East teams:
Yeah, having the longest championship drought in the division while being in a big market does not make you a laughing stock. I love Mets fan logic.
How many more NL East teams will rebuild and win championships by the time the Mets win another?
When was the last time the Marlins made the playoffs? As ridiculous as the Wilpons are, you had Loria which was worse. How about Marlins stadium in little Havana funded by the tax payers? How many people actually show up to a game?
The marlins are an embarrassment. The best part is you think you’re actually speaking for all fans outside of NY. On top of that, you’re always commenting on the Mets. Right…..the Mets are the laughing stock. Got it.
If only the Murphy there were hiring were Daniel Murphy.
Sell the Team
Shut down your account
Now when you have 5 candidates and you eliminate one of them I would agree that it increases the chances of one of the other four getting the job. Good gosh. Please.
Exactly! Boy Sherman sure is a clown
Mets attempted to interview Billy Martin until they found out that he was dead. They decided they wouldn’t be giving him a third interview.
They’re doing great