You’ve heard by now that the Cubs didn’t exactly turn in an active offseason. Despite entering the winter with talk of change, the club largely picked around the edges and ended up sticking with its existing veterans.
That doesn’t mean the status quo will hold indefinitely. If anything, it seems the pressure will be applied right out of the gates to a roster now overseen by rookie skipper David Ross. As Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports, Cubs president of baseball operations Theo Epstein made clear he’s ready to act at the trade deadline if things don’t go as hoped.
Epstein says the Cubs will “have to be very objective about what we have” during the summer trade period. That’s always the case, to some degree, but it certainly sounds as if the Chicago organization will be applying a rather stringent standard to its buy/sell analysis come July.
“In the middle of this season, if we have a legit World Series contender, that is really meaningful,” said Epstein. “But if we don’t, you can’t be blind to the realities of the following 18 months.”
You need not read through the lines too finely to get the gist. The Cubs are looking at a two-year window on some key players. They’re not interested in waiting until there’s just one season of control left before selling.
Clearly, the hope had been to strike a deal in the just-completed offseason. The team wasn’t able to find a sensible arrangement, but could be more aggressive in shopping players this summer if it’s not in the position it hopes for.
Most interesting of all may be Epstein’s framing of the choice. The standard he poses — “legit World Series contender” — is a fairly lofty one.
What if the Cubs are in a competitive postseason position, but don’t quite seem primed for a serious run at a championship? That’s not clear just yet — and will surely be the subject of close analysis by the organization. But Epstein’s comments make clear, at minimum, that the team has already contemplated scenarios in which it’d engage in a mid-season sell-off of some kind.
The situation is complicated by the fact that the club is pressed up to the competitive balance tax line. It was already fair to wonder, on the heels of a winter of austerity, whether the team would stretch its internal payroll for mid-season additions unless it found itself in a truly compelling position.
8
They have no chance this year
John Kappel
They’ve got a decent chance this year. The Brewers and Cardinals both got worse this year.
Donkatsu
The Cubs also got worse. You know who got better? The Reds and they did really well against the Cubs last season
twentyforty
How did they get worse? Letting Hamels broken arm go? Eliminating a bullpen full of fodder? Not re-signing a duplicative OF? Just stop reading the media..they have no clue what is on the roster. Neither do you.
lowtalker1
Reds look lost
southside2020
Being objective I have to say that I don’t think they’re necessarily worse, more just the same. I would definitely hang most of the woes on the pitching staff. Still a solid core offensively. That bullpen is going to be a huge concern again this season. With Kimbrel and ALOT of young arms that need some more IP under there belt. I dig Q and Hendricks but Lester is another year older and you never know what you’ll get from Darvish. In this division it really wouldn’t surprise me if the cubs finished first or fourth.
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@Twentyforty Chatwood, Heyward, Lester, Kimbrel are STUDZ…
ChiSoxCity
The cvbs lost Castellanos, who cared them offensively for three months. They also got lost Cishek, the most consistent reliever in that bullpen. But let delusional cvbs fans tell it, the cvbs will always contend as long as Baez, Bryant and Rizzo remain on the team. All three have struggled with injuries the last few seasons. They’re not very good beyond those three, and that’s a major problem. They have no depth, no pitching, and a rookie manager. That’s how they got worse.
Goku the Knowledgable One
Lol Hamels was their best SP last year
pullhitter445
@twentyforty cubs hitters bats go cold as ice when it matters the most. The team shows a lack of heart when they need to dig deep. The pitching staff is aging not like a fine wine but an expired milk carton. This bullpen of minor league arms is even worse than the trash pen they had previously.
John Kappel
Donkatsu, the Cubs did get worse, in their bullpen. But I think the level of talent they have compared to the brewers and cards is better. I can see the reds winning the division but I can see the Cubs doing it too.
John Kappel
Twentyforty, the Cubs bullpen is worse. But the brewers and cards are still worse.
John Kappel
Gather ’round everyone for ChiSoxCity’s daily spelling corrections.
Cubs*
carried*
also: “got lost Cishek” ?
Now that we’ve covered your problems with the English language here are the factual inaccuracies of your post.
Castellanos was acquired by the Cubs on July 31st. So that’s 2 months, not 3. They have decent bench depth in Bote, Happ, Caratini, Descalso, Almora, Souza, Kipnis, and Hoerner on the position side. Darvish, Quintana, Hendricks, and Lester as a solid front four. The bullpen is bad. But in this weak ass division, that could be enough to win it.
Again, use a dictionary and please stop identifying yourself as a White Sox fan. You’re embarrassing all odd us.
sthecht
How do they look lost?
retire21
Odd?
agrorolm
At least Cubs get news. Not the same about the WSox, nobody seems to care. Only you (besides with your obssession with our beloved Cubs) and maybe two or three. You should keep an eye to your wife instead of having such passion with the Cubs.
Steve Rogers
I’ve been a Cubs season ticketholder for over 30 years. I gave them up this season because they are going nowhere and the tickets are overpriced. Epstein MO gets you a title but at the end of the day your let down. Like in Boston.
ABCD
I kind of like how he spells Cubs “cvbs”. That way when I do a search on Cubs, it skips right over him.
$crewBaLL
always have to group the brewers and cards into post to make yourself feeling better. Cubs will finish 4th in the division.
Cubbie75
I like it when season ticket holders give up. Moves me closer to the top of the list.
JoeBrady
Well, except for the fact that, for the RS:
1-It was two titles.
2-We averaged 93 wins
3-And when he left, he left us with vintage Pedroia, Papi, Ellsbury, Youkilis, Lester, Buchholz, Vazquez, Bogaerts, JBJ, and some guy named Betts.
So we won 2 WSCs when he was here, and the players he left won us another 2 WSCs.
Not even remotely let down.
Further, you’re not a season ticketholder. No one gives up their tickets after 30 years, simply because their team only won 84 games last year, and are probably favored in their own division.
JoeBrady
I like it when season ticket holders give up. Moves me closer to the top of the list.
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I seriously doubt he gave them up, or if he even had them, unless it was a 5-game, Tuesday night special. At worst, they are a slight underdog to StL.
Bill walsh
All odd us?
You two should marry each other
Just do t have kids..
mike127
@ klyesmom—-that’s “v” as in victory and it’s hard to spell cubs without thinking about victories. just leave him alone….he knows what he is talking about…
bighiggy
Explain how the cards are worse? Please with facts. Our bullpen is alot better than Chicago’s. We have Gallegos, jordan hicks coming back, probably ryan helsley, and kk or carlos Martinez. Also miller and ponce de leon. Cubs bullpen doesnt even compare.
mike127
@joebrady….I too have been a season ticket holder for over 30 years….here are some facts….during the rebuild years the price stayed the same…this season my cost went DOWN.
Anyone who is a season ticket holder has had the opportunity to participate in STH events which have included meetings with Theo and Jed and Crane Kenney and I can assure you to my face they said that their goal is building this team was to play meaningful games in September and October for an extended period of time (at least 5 to 7 years).
Furthermore and I quote “cannot promise a championship because each playoff season is sacred and there are many variables” in winning it all. They never uttered the word “dynasty”.
To give up tickets after that long a time for reasons stated is a little odd…after 25 years of losing…to not be satisfied with HOW they win now is just crazy.
Yes, tickets are expensive, I get that. To drop them because they “are going nowhere” is wrong. They were nowhere for 25 of the 30 years he had the tickets. Sounds like the kid that cries for an ice cream cone and when you give it to him he cries louder because it’s chocolate not vanilla.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Why do you not know how to spell Cubs? You can have Cishek and his 6+ era. The white sox didn’t get better either. They improved on paper that doesnt mean theyll finish better than 4th like they’re projected to do so. White Sox window is nearly closed because it was never opened.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
The cubs are the best team on the field offensively and defensively. Yet they’re worse than the cards brewers and reds. The reds did the most but they still have to put up the number. They have the best team on paper that’s it.
stan lee the manly
If Dylan Carson is allowed to play, the Cardinals definitely did not get worse. The guy is going to be a stud.
babybears
LIke when 2 years ago Happ hit 7 bombs and was raking in ST…. pump the breaks until May/ June.
anthonyd4412
Based on the detailed analysis of one D0m
desertbull
Thanks nostradumbass
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Why not? They have the same time minus 4 maybe 5 aging pitchers and castellanos. Otherwise its the same team
I dont get the haters.
Ully
Let the trade rumors start all over. Bryant, Contreras, et al.
John Kappel
I’ve wondered for awhile now why they don’t trade either Contreras or Caratini for pitching. Young controllable catchers who hit well are hard to find.
Ully
I like that scenario, for some reason catchers are not valued like they used to be.
rememberthecoop
I’m sure they listened but the offers weren’t to their liking. As you said, young controllable catchers who can hit are hard to find, so Theo’s not just going to give him away.
John Kappel
True but it is wasted value of Caratini as backup when the Cubs need help in the bullpen and CF at the major league level plus they need to restock their farm system. Trading one of their catchers and Bryant can restock a lot of their farm. Coupled with the freeing up of cash from Lester, Q, and Chatwood gone it’d be a good way to quickly retool for 2022 and beyond.
ABCD
Contreras is not the most durable of catchers. You don’t lose much with Caratini when Willson is injured or he needs rest. They have control over both of them for at least three years.
The Cubs have good depth at C in their system but it is at least a year or two away. Better to hold what they have and see what will develop. A good trade offer takes patience.
PaysonTim
I think that Willson will eventually end up in the outfield – catching wears a little much on his groin and hammies which is where he has gotten hurt. Hopefully Amaya develops well.
Goku the Knowledgable One
Cuz theres too many overpaid rest and vesters in their rotation to open up a spot for anyone worthwhile
Sky14
Easier said than done. There really isn’t any obvious pitchers available on the trade market. Maybe a couple, but nothing that moves the needle or controllable. Good catchers are a rare talent but teams can get by with mediocre catching, most do, but you can’t compete without multiple quality arms so teams hoard them.
Les Chesterfield
Translate that into honesty and he said “runs over”
Sheep8
Let the White Sox fans trolling begin!
scurvyrickets
Sheep8 – Maybe not, bc the Sox had like 2 articles written about them this month…kinda big deal fir them. I’m sure CHISOXFAN, or whatever he’s going by now will be by soon.x
everlastingdave
I’m curious. Are there any other Sox fans who seriously don’t care that much what the Cubs do?
Sheep8
No!
John Kappel
Yes. Right here.
chitown311
My guess is that Bryant and Quintana will be moved at the deadline
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If not they will suffer for years
ASapsFables
My guess is that the Cubs will be firmly in the NL Central and NL Wild Card hunt as the trade deadline nears. They are more likely to be buyers rather than sellers. The only lock I see in the NL are the Dodgers. There is a lot of balance among the remaining contenders including 4 teams each in the NL East and NL Central, along with the Diamondbacks and Padres in the West. I wouldn’t even discount the Rockies and Giants in 2020 with a little better luck from the baseball gods and the health department.
stretch123
Cubs need to retool more than any team in MLB. Besides the Astros. Especially in the case of Bryant, I think they should trade him for whatever they can get for him. I also think they should trade Contreras and build around Baez and Rizzo.
jkinser20
Agreed. If they would deal Bryant, Contreras, Quintana & maybe Darvish, they could get a solid haul to rebuild their farm. Then by the time Lester and the rest of their aging vets are off the books they’d be ready to resupplement the core and have a solid ballclub again. BUT, as a cardinal fan I’m happy with watching them if let their stars walk for peanuts, which will hamstring them for years considering their financial situation and terrible farm
ChiSoxCity
I’ve been saying this for a year and a half. Technically, they can still retool next offseason. The cvbs have done nothing but regress since 2016. Why they’re stalling, I’m not quite sure.
Erik
I’m sick of hearing that term “Regress” being flopped around like it means anything. Any team who doesn’t win the World Series every season is considered a regression in your eyes.
Lovinmlb
Lester is in last year. They have 40 million roughly coming off the books but that will mostly go to their arb 3 guys so they will be in same financial situation next year. It’s either blow it up at the deadline or make 2 runs. All that cheap young talent came up together now they have all gotten expensive together. Bryant Baez Rizzo is quite the trio.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
They had 55 mil off the books this offseason too somehow they were still over the threshold and the ricketts are cheap. They refuse to get better.
The threshold resets next year. Over 40 mil off the books and they can spend 150 mil next offseason.
They need to sign 2 starters and a couple bullpen arms.
Lovinmlb
Yeah some free agents leave and that gives them some money but the arbitration players get more expensive so that offsets the money coming off the books. They won’t be too much better off next year unless they aren’t in it and have a fire sale at the trade deadline.
John Kappel
Quintana, Lester, Chatwood, and Descalso are all of the books at the end of the season. Bryant, Baez, Kimbrel the year after. If they’re going to restock via trades it’ll be Bryant and some combination of Contreras or Caratini and Schwarber.
JoeBrady
If they would deal Bryant, Contreras, Quintana & maybe Darvish,
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RS fan here, and glad the RS traded Betts. But the Cubs are different in that they still have one more year to take a chance on a title.. Even if they miss, those players should still have substantial value next winter.
Having said that, if they are out of it by the deadline, I would do a complete tank. They have a fair amount of tradeable talent. Bryant and Baez should both fetch a top-50 and top-100 prospect. Rizzo & Schwarber are both worth a fringy top-100. Contreras worth top-25 & top-100.
And you could hold onto Darvish & Hendricks and still not be awful in 2021.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Every player you mentioned could get back 3 or 4 players each.
A complete sell off would get theo fired. He’s not stupid
They will contend being 5 games back and in 3rd isnt the worst thing
rondon
They’re not going to trade Bryant, a player with a higher war over the last four years, 27.8, than Donaldson, Rendon or Arenado, for “whatever they can get for him”. Get serious.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Trade Deadline? We are talking about the Trade Deadine? I mean we are in the beginnings of Spring Training and we are talking about the Trade Deadline
Come on man, we are talking about….
paddyo furnichuh
It’s almost as if this is getting out ahead with “preventive damage control” in terms of potential negative PR(if the Cubs aren’t active at deadline) with the phrasing that Jeff Todd points to in the penultimate paragraph of this article..
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Penultimate. Now there is a word but it is stylish
rememberthecoop
Is this a poor attempt at a “Playoffs?!” Jim Mora rant?
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
@Remeber
Poor attempt… Poor attempt. We Are talking about a poor attempt here and we are talking about practice and Allen Iverson
ASapsFables
Good to hear that Theo will be “objective” at the trade deadline considering his “subjective” offseason.
George Vasios
You need a lead-off hitter and a center fielder: can’t get more OBJECTIVE than that!
Trade for Mallex Smith.
ChiSoxCity
They need more than that. They need at minimum an ace pitcher and two more quality starters. A better hitting RF and 2B would make them a stronger club. Heyward’s defense is overrated at this point.
ChiSoxCity
Forgot an actual closer is a must as well.
mike127
That’s Mallex Smith that hit .227 with a .300 OBP in a career high 510 at bats last season, right? Seems like a either objective or really, really STUPID choice to me.
PiratesFan1981
Anyways to give Cubs a headline. I think the NL Central Division is up for grabs. But in all honesty, I wouldn’t be one bit surprised if Cardinals win the division. They may not look good on paper, but each year they don’t disappoint and they have a pretty decent year. I think Cubs finish 3rd in the division and just shy of Wild Card. I think reds are all hype because of all the names they have gotten over the offseason and finish pretty close to the Cubs in the 4th position within the division. Brewers are like the Cardinals, they find a way to win and see them second in the division. That other 5th club in the division, will set sail for top pick in the draft. 3rd/4th spots in the division could go either way with Reds on top of Cubs or visa versa. But I am giving 3rd to Cubs because many star caliber players want to have a good season and want out of Chicago, hence Byrant. He talks like he has nothing against Cubs, but wait until he wears another uniform. His tone will change
crazylarry
I just think David Ross is the answer. They flail and finish 15 out. To who I have no clue.
IronBallsMcGinty
So if the cubs fail to improve this season, is it still Maddons fault?
retire21
I certainly hope so.
If only he had batted his pitcher 7th. Or even 6th.
Kk3445
The Cubs still have a very good team. It’ll be a battle with the Reds and Cards. They still have a very good chance to win this division. Darvish, Hendricks, Quintana and Lester are still a very good top 4 in their rotation. The bullpen will be better, although losing Cishek hurts a little. I think grabbing Kipnis will be a plus at second. They still have a damn good group of hitters.
Steve Rogers
Wow! It appears Epstien lied to Kris Bryant in not wanting to trade him. Epstein knows the Cubs aren’t a World Series contender. And do Cub fans trust Epstein to evaluate talent in a trade? After all, the Cubs have the third worst farm system per Keith Law. Ricketts is going to regret not firing him and his flunkies.
Kapty19
I see a bit of a different angle here. Maybe I’m wrong. I think Theo is smart to let it ride with this core, which is good. He didn’t go and blow up the franchise or payroll reaching for unrealistic goals. I feel like he’s saying that if the solid core they have performs well and is in a contending position, he’ll add players and salary during the season. Smart in my books-I’m interested to see how their season plays out.
tomjoadsghost
Theo and Jeds mistake was overvaluing their position prospects. Ricketts are shady business people who use the Cubs to further their far right political agenda. Lots of moving parts to Cubs drama, and us fans are caught in the whirlwind
ABCD
Do the Ricketts make you mean mad, Tom?
Steve Rogers
Well I don’t hold any resentment towards Tom Ricketts or his family. However, Crane Kenney, Cubs President of Business Operations, I do have resentment towards. He has driven up the cost to go to a Cubs game and is not a likable person. I do have a question for you, any truth in your name on here?
Steve Rogers
Well I don’t hold any resentment towards Tom Ricketts or his family. However, Crane Kenney, Cubs President of Business Operations, I do have resentment towards. He has driven up the cost to go to a Cubs game and is not a likable person. I do have a question for you, any truth in your name on here?
Rayland#1
Talk, talk, talk.
Steve Rogers
The Cubs have a top 100 catching prospect.
1. Miguel Amaya, catcher
Amaya, ranked as the Cubs’ top prospect by MLB Pipeline, has also made the cut on a few overall top 100 prospect lists:
No. 94 on MLB Pipeline’s top 100 prospects.
No. 91 on Keith Law’s (ESPN) list of top 100 prospects
No. 89 on John Sickels’ (The Athletic) list of top 100 prospects
No. 73 on Fangraphs’ list of Top 100 prospects
Steve Rogers
You mean
Write write write haha
Steve Rogers
The Cubs have a top 100 catching prospect.
1. Miguel Amaya, catcher
Amaya, ranked as the Cubs’ top prospect by MLB Pipeline, has also made the cut on a few overall top 100 prospect lists:
No. 94 on MLB Pipeline’s top 100 prospects.
No. 91 on Keith Law’s (ESPN) list of top 100 prospects
No. 89 on John Sickels’ (The Athletic) list of top 100 prospects
No. 73 on Fangraphs’ list of Top 100 prospects
Steve Rogers
Don’t worry, there’s openings now for season tickets. Just drop $10,000 for a pair of grandstand season tickets.
babybears
Cubs are just fine. The guys seem to really enjoy playing for Ross. They need a different voice. Maddon is as laid back as they come. Great guy. Now it is on the players to preform. Their attention to detail and defensive lapses last year were the main reason for the collapse. Pitching is not the only problem when your ranking is near the bottom defensively. Gone are the distractions of Zobrist and Russell. Gone are the awkward lineup shake ups and inconsistent positioning. It is a no nonsense approach on the year to do what you are supposed to do or you are leaving.
Steve Rogers
Google this and and tell me this doesn’t look like the Cubs.
Why the Boston Red Sox Are Better off Without Theo Epstein
The tickets were overpriced and I couldn’t break even. Impossible to go to 80 games a season. Besides Cubs Management has no respect for season ticket holders. There’s many examples but I choose not to go any further with that comment.
JoeBrady
I googled it. It was an awful article. The writer was apparently unaware that Bogaerts, Betts, Vazquez, and JBJ, plus the existing veterans like Pedroia, Ellsbury, Papi, Lester, and Buchholz, were going to set the stage for two more WSCs.
PaysonTim
Let’s face it, their farm system stinks and that’s the problem. That’s on Theo and Jed and Jason though Maddon ended up taking the fall because that was the one that they could change in the short term. Finishing fourth place in the division is a very real possibility. It could be a real shame too – that could be despite Cy Young type performances from Darvish and Hendricks. But as much as I like Jon Lester, he’s probably a 4th or 5th starter at this point. Quintana has been wildly inconsistent and while it’s an intriguing mix for that last spot, I’m not sure any of them could not dominate for an entire season. Then there’s the bullpen…yikes!
I hope that I am wrong but I am very frustrated. Yes, I’m a Maddon guy through and through and not a Theo fan at this point.
bigbadjohnny
Two things will happen this year for the Cubs…..
World Series bound….
or
July Sell Off.
Only the Dodgers stand in our way….and they like to collapse at playoff time….
and if we do a Sell Off………we need to build our base around players…….Baez is one…and Contreras is the other………….and if Bryant really wants to stay…..he will make a deal…….that leaves Rizzo out due to is age and is in the declining years now……..unless NL adopts a DH……..
Darvish, Schwarber, Quintana, Kimbrel. are all legit trade pieces for playoff teams.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Rizzo is the best 1B in baseball he’s not going anywhere. Theres no chance they have a sell off that’s just stupid. They should never have a DH on the NL. It takes out all strategy out of the game.
jbigz12
Isn’t straightforward communication from your front office a good thing? I’d rather Theo give a truthful answer like this then some bull crap any day of the week.
Would feel much more comfortable with him than Dick Monfort coming out and proclaiming his team as a 93 game winner.
Steve Rogers
Epstein & Co contracts are up in 2 years. Unless he turns the team around I doubt Ricketts resigns him.
groundhog5150
It sounds to me that if the pitching doesn’t take a good step forward, a tear down might be coming.
Yes???