TODAY: German clarified his position another Instagram post, saying that “Baseball is my life, and I am not walking away” from the sport. German apologized for his original “unsettling post,” saying that “not being ready with my teammates while they get ready for the season, knowing that I have let them down, has taken a toll on me and last night I let my emotions get the best of me.”
JULY 17: Yankees pitcher Domingo German has stated his intention to leave the sport in a series of posts on his Instagram page. “Me fui del baseball,” he wrote in an apparent indication of retirement.
German, who’ll soon turn 28, is still serving the remainder of an 81-game suspension for a violation of the league’s domestic violence policy. He would not have been able to complete the suspension in time to pitch in the regular season in 2020, though he’d have technically been eligible for postseason play having already been sidelined for the 2019 playoffs.
It’s not clear what specifically prompted German’s evident decision. Neither is it known whether there’s any chance of a change of heart. Presumably, he’ll continue to serve out the remainder of the suspension while residing on the restricted list. Barring some roster decision by the team, the door will theoretically remain open for a return to the sport.
German has just over two years of MLB service at the moment. If he finished his suspension and pitched in the majors for all of the 2021 season, he would be able to reach a full third year of service and qualify for arbitration. Through 243 career innings, German carries a 4.52 ERA with 10.1 K/9 and 3.0 BB/9.
Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out
Can someone translate “me fui del baseball” the writer of this article is so cultured and cool he didn’t translate its exact meeting
Google Translate brings up “I left Baseball”
I translated it as
“I pizzzed potential millions away after my 2019 season”
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
What?
I didn’t offer a direct translation quote, since I don’t like to put words in peoples’ mouths, but made clear in the two opening sentences what it said.
If you don’t like putting words in people’s mouths, wouldn’t it have been better to use a direct translation from the words that came from him?
You didn’t want to put words in his mouth… but you used quotes, so you posted the words directly from his mouth…
It was well written, Jeff.
Baseball is better without idiots like him.
That’s not putting words in someone’s mouth… do you not understand the difference?
Wait, what?
No one asked him to… we wanted it translated… that’s not putting words in anyone’s mouth… unless you consider it English words as opposed to Spanish words.
Jeff Todd doesn’t want to put words in people’s mouths… can you tell us what political party German supports?
(In reference to the Adelson article.)
It was well written… for MLBTR.
Jeff, I appreciate your articles along with all the other contributors this site. At times like these, it seems some consumers of the (FREE!) site yearn to be negative and don’t even feign at thoughtful sensitivities. It’s easier to be impulsive with ill-conceived critiques.
Terribly written because you don’t give an exact translation and the headline gives us no idea what the article is about. “An apparent indication of baseball” is incredibly vague. For all I know the translation is “I’m tired of baseball” and he might have just been having a bad day and everyone jumped to conclusions.
Headline should have been “Domingo German seemingly announces retirement from baseball” or something like that.
The article should have provided an exact translation to let readers determine its intent for themselves, due to the uncertainty surrounding his post.
That’s not putting words in his mouth, it’s good journalism.
Google translate isn’t a reliable tool. It isn’t a good idea for a journalist to rely on it. Just google “google translate fails”
If you don’t speak Spanish then it seems like a good idea not to include a half assed translation in your work
You are exhausting @WiffleBall
@Wiffleball:
You are completely wrong. There’s no such thing as an ‘exact translation’ of anything. Language is far too complex to offer ‘direct translations’. Writers–specifically journalists–know this. If Jeff were to translate German’s words, he would indeed be putting words in his mouth because he would be interpreting what German was trying to say.
Language is never a 1:1 thing. In addition to specific word meanings, there’s context, tone, emotion, idioms, etc to consider.
Can’t believe this needs to be explained. Y’all are really complaining that Jeff didn’t run German’s words through Google Translate and present that, and you’re calling *that* journalism. Journalism is what Jeff did: present German’s exact words and offer his interpretation.
you dont get it. sometimes things get lost in translation. that’s why a direct quote is the best way to do it.
@johnrealtime
True, and a real journalist would run it past a spanish speaking person.
Oh, and you’re exhausting too!
@rct
Nope, i’m right.
Great response, I would not expect to hear back from the angry elf. Thank you for eloquently stating what most clear headed people are thinking,
The article expressed exactly what it needed to.
That’s second grade Spanish. It means “I left baseball”.
Or you’re one of the least best at using online tools.
Fui is the past tense of the verb for leaving sooo yep to spaghetti
Exactly my thoughts! Really could of used his ass in the playoffs.
I often have wondered..how can someone “could of” done anything? I know how one may could have done something.
Could’ve, would’ve, should’ve…
This coming from the guy who used the phrase “least best” in his last comment. How’s that glass house treating you there buddy?
@paddy
Yeah, that one gets to me. But given comments by the likes of RCT and JOHNNYREALTIME, you shouldn’t be surprised such nonsense gets uttered.
Good bye, Good Riddance
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
Judging someone for a crime that they committed and holding them responsible when they were the ones who “cast the first stone” through domestic violence. If he would have came back he would have been welcomed but always had this negative in his history. But it is fair that many people will not miss him and fairly so.
I agree with your assessment that nobody is perfect, but domestic violence, or any violent crime, is not equal to other sin, hence the harsh punishment. My point – it is perfectly acceptable for people to hold an opinion about what he has done because most people have never done that and consider that abhorrent. If they tried to stone him, I’d be on your side.
I don’t think he made enough money to quit baseball. You only do give up for two reasons; body gives out or you found a higher paying job.
Or you did something else and you know you’re even more screwed.
OR they found out where his PEDs were stashed
Yes wild bill basically he is going nowhere. He’ll be back with the Yankees
I am surprised that German and his agent did not push for a pro rated reduction in his suspension. They could have made a case for 63 games to be cut by at least half in light of the short season.
I think I read here in another article that all suspensions have to be served for the full number of games and will not be pro rated. Somebody please correct me if I’m wrong.
Correct. The suspect suspensions were decided early on to be upheld exactly as issued. Luhnow and Hinch each had 1 year, so they will not have additions games added.
Or his desire to not play baseball is higher than his desire to keep playing baseball.
Yes Nebraska. So many young players making league minimum have a fallback career option. So many. So so many.
Not everyone thinks about things in terms of money, my dude. Perhaps he would rather have a non-lucrative career doing a blue-collared job and not have to deal with some of the things that come with a career in baseball. Life is more than how much money you make.
And people don’t give up a multi-million dollar career for a blue collar job. Please stop justifying your awful, short-sighted, naive take. It was bad, thoughtless and wrong. Any example you attempt to cite will be part of the under 1%. But hey, life is a lot more than having a well-thought our opinion.
It’s always a good idea not to use social media when you are drunk! He obviously got depressed about his current suspension situation, got blind drunk, got emotional and wrote something that he didn’t really mean.
Jav, you have the best answer to this entire situation. I think you are right.
You didnt have to leave, we didnt want you back anyway.
Que diablo te paso?
Regresa muy pronto!
um, buhbye. Shall I translate that for you?
another foolish player wasting their talent.
Agreed buddy
What a loser. Baseball is better without this woman abusing scum.
The people with the harshest critiques of a wife beater is usually hiding something themselves. The phrase “thou doth protests too much” comes to mind.
Too bad – lots of upside
Clevinger never coming to NY. He would have to cut his hair.
I will cut his hair free after COVID-19. I’m a master with the scissors and razor! No problem
How did clev get in this conversation?
Ok if German is coming back next season. Then Andujar, Frazier, Deivi Garcia, Jordan Montgomery, Michael King, Tyler Wade, and Thairo Estrada to the Indians for Frankie Lindor & Clevinger
7 × 0 still = 0 Cegmyster. You would have to start with Gleyber Torres at the very least for Lindor and Clevinger. And that would just be the start. Nobody wants Yankee’s cast-offs any more than they do.
Thank you, Javia. Cegmyster does not seem to understand that both team’s needs must be met for a trade to happen.
No ty, we good
hockeyjohn, just wanting Frankie Lindor now. Not wanting Clevinger anymore. I can give you 3 or 4 players for Lindor. Unfortunately Gleyber can’t be one of them. Not sure why the Indians couldn’t move Frazier, Andujar, Deivi Garcia, Mike King, & Estrada or Wade in other trades if they were to fall out of contention. If the Tribe is a playoff team just stand pat then
Cegmyster, Lindor is the best SS and one of the top 10 players in mlb. For him you offer 2-DHs and 3 nobodys.? Why would the Indians do that?
Only 1 of Andujar and Frazier can play DH at one time. Ramirez would start over Andujar at 3B. Is Frazier better than their correct corner OFs? Ehhhhh…maybe? But with his defense probably not. Would Garcia make their 5-man rotation? No. So overall the Indians are getting 1-ok DH, 1-bench piece and a couple of MAYBE decent relievers for a top overall player. Would you make that trade if you were the Indians?
Lol, delusional Yankee fans with their trade proposals
He seeming to not wanna clean up his life n get a great pay in return so he’s better off gone n I pity anyone who crosses him when nobody is looking.
German better be careful he sounds like a guilty man? He must comeback. He’s not going to make more $ doing anything else besides throwing a baseball. He would be even more foolish retiring from baseball at 28 years of age
Bold strategy, Cotton. Let’s see if it pays off.
My guess is he’ll pretty quickly change his mind when he realizes he has no other way to make as much $ as he could playing baseball. Even if he’s the most hated guy in the league… not coming back and trying to get his career back on track – even just long enough to collect a significant payday through arbitration – would be asinine. Believe me I don’t particularly want him back in baseball — anyone who gets suspended for 81 games for domestic abuse probably isn’t a good person. But I also believe in second chances so if he were to actually get his life in order… I do think he deserves another chance just as much as the next guy. But posting “goodbye baseball messages” on social media is probably an indication that he isn’t really getting his life together
“Even if he’s the most hated guy in the league…”
Well… You did forget Felipe Vazquez and everyone on the Astros =/
Yeah seriously. He’s not who comes to mind when I think of the “most hated”
Agreed.
Hockey John who is your favorite team anyway? I know it’s definitely not the Yankees. Cardinals got great pieces for a Lindor trade. Dodgers got the best pieces for the Tribe. Can we still call them that anymore?
Yes. I think they’re going to be renamed the Cleveland Quests.
Cegmyster, I have been an Indian fan since 1965 when I was 7 years old. I consider myself extremely educated on the Indians and how their front office operates. The Cleveland Front Office has stated many times they plan to stay competitive and are not looking to enter a rebuild. They can not spend like the Dodgers, Yankees, and the like so they have to build their organization very carefully. I would think that any Lindor trade would have to be similar to the Trevor Bauer trade from the 2019 trade deadline. In that trade, the Indians receive temporary help with Puig, a controllable MLB ready piece, IN A POSITION OF NEED like Framil Reyes and a package of prospects. The Bauer trade help was designed to help now, and into the future. That is the type of trade that the Indians would look for Francisco Lindor. The Dodgers had tremendous prospects to offer, but they would not include the controllable MLB piece in a position of need so no deal was made. Clevinger’s name came up in the Dodger trade discussions, but they still would not include Gavin Lux so no trade was made. The Angels inquired on Clevinger and the Indians ask was their top prosect Joe Adell, at top 5 prospect in baseball who should debut sometime this season. Cleveland’s front office is known to set their price and not vary from it. I don’t see the Indians moving Lindor until after the 2020 season. I don’t have a grasp on what they will do then as Covid -19 had impacted every major league team.
Also, I have heard the hockey comments many times on here at least 100 times.
I hope that lets you know about me and how my comments are arrived at. Have a wonderful evening.
Also, with the German news and Tanaka and Paxton being free agents at the end of 2020, the Yankees can not afford to trade any of their prospect pitchers.
I think he’s just being melodramatic and grasping for attention. Kind of like the kid who has been grounded and all of his friends are going to the amusement park together.
Excellent call! I agree with you 100% Kind of like the kid not being picked for kickball. German needs to take a “chill pill”
I’m actually leaning towards that he’s leaving the Yankees. Two hours ago, he still had all of his old Instagram photos up. Now it’s all gone except his two most recent posts. The kind of stuff people do on social when they break up with an ex.
I think he has more hidden that may come forth.
You know I don’t speak Spanish. In English please.
Spanglish? Great call swarley
Why don’t you try using Google translate? English is not the only language in the world, just because it’s the only one you’re capable of speaking.
But, since you’re too lazy to use Google translate but have plenty of time to type your comment, I’ll help ya out. My Spanish ain’t perfect, but it means, roughly, maybe exactly, “I left baseball”, which is weird because there’s an actual Spanish word for baseball – beisbol – and I don’t know he would use the English word in a Spanish sentence….
I can guess now who won’t be missing German this season? Not lazy just sad about this retirement. He’ll likely have a change of heart. It would be a pity to retire with that arm. Maybe he needs to get beat up to change his mind? Not sure?
He’s says “baseball” because he’s an American player who speaks Spanish, not a Latin-American player. He played “baseball”, not “beisbol”, when he was a Major League player.
First sentence: “stated his intention to leave the sport”
Jeff, a direct translation would have been proper. Clearly after reading the feedback … I’m not the only reader who was curious about and expecting one in the article. Sure, I could google it. But I come to MLBTR so I don’t have to google all the info. This is my one stop shop for baseball news. This isn’t a troll, I envy your work and your job. This is just a fair critique from a genuine fan of yours.
P.S. Kenny Lofton should be a HOFer
So, he intends to leave the sport…. doesn’t everyone intend on leaving the sport?
Sorry everyone, just a reference to the movie Anchorman. Didn’t mean to cause any trouble.
I caught it. It was funny and a very fitting movie quote for the situation. Some people around here get a little too sensitive in my opinion.
If this is true, then the Yankees are only guaranteed to have one quality starting pitcher coming back in 2021 (Cole). Severino won’t be healthy enough to start the season while Happ, Tanaka and Paxton will all be free agents. Montgomery is coming back too but he’s going to have to prove that he can be a dependable, quality starter this year before penciling him into the 2021 rotation. While German is a scum bag, this decision definitely hurts the Yankees pitching depth for 2021. Unless they want to completely blow past the CBT threshold and forfeit draft picks, the Yankees are going to have to get very creative to put together a formidable pitching rotation for 2021. They’d better win it all this year!
You make it sound like Tanaka and Pax are out there pitching for free, or whatever.
They come off the books. As does Ellsbury (& *what* exactly is going on with *that*!?).
Yanks have shown they’ll spend towards the upper limit of the CBT. Tanaka – I’d bet – will be back. Probably at a lower AAV, as well. Sevi be back midseason. Good chance Happ’s 17 mil goes away, too.
With all the nice pitching prospects we’ve hoarded I’d guess that the Yanks’ll only “need” to sign one more SP. A guy like Stroman. I’d love to see them sign Bauer but mostly just to see a certain segment of Yankees fans heads explode.
I’m sorry to break the news to you but our starting staff is going to be just fine. I can – however – think of some other teams in the AL East that are going to have real, actual problems not tossing BP to the Yankees on a nightly basis.
Uh?
Yeah for someone to say “they better win it all this year” either doesn’t know the Yankees or is a wishful thinking Red Sox fan. The Yankees always manage to put together a team that can compete. With cole and severino as the 1-2 next year they really don’t need a stud. Besides with the way this year is I’m doubtful there are going to be a lot of big/long term contracts this offseason. If ever there were a year where you can probably get a guy on a 1-2 yr deal this is probably it.
I bet they resign Paxton or Tanaka anyway and that should be enough to get them to the playoffs. The orioles are far from competing and the Red Sox have so little pitching they look a solid 2 years away from really competing. The jays look like they could be really good but they need their young talent to work out and stay healthy and the rays are always strong but lacking money. Hard to imagine how the Yankees aren’t at least competing in that division next year and then anything can happen if they make the playoffs…
The issue is this. Right now, the Yankees have $135M in guarantees for 2021. (3) major players are going to arbitration next year in Aaron Judge ($8.5M-2020), Gary Sanchez ($5M-2020) and Gleyber Torres ($675K). Being conservative, these 3 salaries will increase by $20M next year collectively, so that bumps their payroll up to $155M. They are losing 3 starting pitchers, DJL, Gardy and 2-3 bullpen pitchers to free agency next year as well, while the CBT threshold will not increase for 2021. So the Yankees either need to say “F” it and blow past the CBT again, making them 3 time offenders or they will need to get very creative with their pitching staff. Adding Strohman alone will cost close to $25M/yr and they’ll still have 6-7 important slots to fill in their rotation, bullpen and infield.
I’m guessing they will say “F” it a blow past the $208M number, as they have to feel like this is their best window to contend. Stanton becomes an albatross contract by 2023, Judge will be 30 years old, Sanchez might have to move to DH or 1B, so they really need to go for it now.
I personally think the Yankees are crazy to even think about the tax with their revenue. Any money they lose in tax payouts more than pay for itself with a WS ring. But even without tax considerations the base of the team is there to be perfectly solid for the next several seasons. With cole and severino they have a great 1-2 with a few young guys in the minors who have a lot of upside to round out the back end of the rotation. I don’t think they need a stud this offseason, they need a good #3 who can be a workhorse and keep them in the game. The payouts this offseason are predicted to be less and I don’t think that will be too hard to find for a reasonable price. Even if they go cheap, I still maintain it’s hard to see them not completing in that division for the next few years. Not with the amount of work the orioles and Sox have to do
That was actually an intelligent and well thought out post. Thank you
I think there is much more to the German story n history than we know. It is best to go and hide somewhere away from B Ball
Quitting baseball sounds like I don’t want to face the time for my crime.
Lol Yankees are the new cowboys. I’m a cowboys fan too. In 10 years people are going to start making fun of the Yankees for not winning the big one in a long time. And Ik what you all are thinking. When was the last time the Mets won a championship. The reason why I’m so confidently typing this is Bc with the young talent the Mets have I’d be surprised if they don’t win one this decade
You have no idea what the next 10 years is going to bring… you don’t even know whose going to be owning the Mets next month. Maybe you should take your predictions down a notch haha
Also I think we need to respect how crazy it is that the Yankees go 10 years without a title and it’s a running joke about how long it’s been. Think of another franchise you can say that for…
Your right. I don’t know what the future holds. But if Yankees could say We winning number 28 every year I could say what I said. And people make fun of other teams other than cowboys too. But yankees will get a lot of jokes thrown their way in 10 years. I’ll bet my house on that.
Any chance you live in an apartment then? Probably not your wisest bet otherwise… or you’re willing to go homeless based on a bunch of kids who are about 14 years old right now right not winning the Yankees a title?
You can say whatever you want and think whatever you want. I’m not opposed to you thinking the Mets will win a WS soon and the Yankees won’t (I honestly have no idea if/when either team will win a WS…). It’s the confidence with which you say it I have a problem with.
What young talent? MLB.com recently ranked the Mets farm system as 20th overall. Obviously no one can predict the future and a lot can happen in ten years, but it’s not like the Mets are knee deep in young talent, like some other clubs.
They’ve got a lot of guys 25-28 at the big league level that are solid players. They probably have a three or four year window with those players to do something. Alonso will be 26 this year, McNeil is 28, Rosario will be 25, and Nimmo and Conforto are both 27.
Well.
Definitely never saw this coming, man.
Two things:
– c’mon, bro. don’t hit your girl. pretty simple.
– I was basically his age when I served tours. What I’m willing to share about that is I would really hate for my worst moments from then to be what everyone defines my entire life by. I was hopeful he’d turn his life around, learn, and grow from this.
Still do now that I think about it.
Guy looks like he might have some addiction issues….
Yankees will be fine. They have Severino coming back, tons of money and Clarke Schmidt too. Plus Deivi Garcia. Cashman is a genius. I’m a mets fan and I’m saying that. The yanks will be fine
Clarke Schmidt is the 31st best pitching prospect in the game, Deivi Garcia is 33rd. That means there are at least 30 pitching prospects better than both of them Ultimately, that means that chances are heavily against either one making an impact at the major league level. Let’s not get carried away. It’s not like they are the Tigers with the #2, #10 and #16 pitching prospects in the game. They are maybe, MAYBE average.
They do have money to spend coming out of their ears though.
Prospect ranking don’t mean squat. The number one ranked prospect can just as easily fail as someone not even ranked can become an all-star. Rankings don’t guarantee anything.
Jesus Montero was a three time top ten prospect, how’d his career turn out?
The highest ranking Pete Alonso got was 40th, how’d he do last season?
There’s thousands of examples that go against what you said.
Quite right Briffle. Think about that for a second. Higher ranked prospects are ranked more highly because they either have higher upside or are seen as more likely to become successful Major Leaguers. Therefore, counting on ANYTHING from prospects ranked in the lower end of the top 100 is just wishful thinking. Scott Burgos was bragging about Schmidt and Garcia. I was pointing out that counting on those guys is folly. Thank you for agreeing with me!
per who? lots of proepcters who rank them higher than that
You know it’s never too late to become a Yankee fan my friend
Just so we’re clear, what did he do to begin with? Was it his girlfriend or his wife that he slapped?
Does it really matter? A slap is a slap, right?
What an absolute loser. Hopefully Chapman, Osuna, and Russell will soon join you on the way out.
Russel is in Korea now I think. But Osuna is on his way to a HOF career unfortunately. At least I got SS Seager for him one for one in my dynasty league lol
Good arm does not translate to smart brain!
Adios!
I do think it’s unfair that these months that German has already sat out in 2020 count for nothing. Are they making Cora or the Houston cheaters sit out part of 2021 as well? No. He did a bad thing but his punishment is over-the-top ridiculous.
Nobody has sat out or served punishment for any games in 2020 yet… I fail to see the “unfairness” aspect.
When the season was put on hold, the unfairness of keeping the penalty at “games only” should have been addressed and changed to “previously scheduled and currently scheduled games adding to 63..’ He is missing more time than was intended or is fair under the circumstances. This applies to any other currently suspended players in this situation as well. His agent should be advocating for him but I have heard nothing in that regard.
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@denistaylor – What are you talking about? The guy was suspended for 81 games and he needs to serve all 81 games no matter how many are played each year.
Cora and the rest of the Houston coaches and FO were suspended for the entire 2020 season including the playoffs. There were no caps on number of games; it was the entire 2020 season. So I don’t see anything unfair or unjust here. You do the crime, you serve the time. None of the active MLB players were paid for the cancelled games in 2020, so German needs to sit (and not get paid) for a full 81 games, no matter how many calendar years that spans.
While I highly doubt the Yankees would entertain it, at least German could pitch in the 2020 playoffs if they so desired.
i do hope this guy has learned from what he did. obviously no excuse for hitting a woman, but im one who believes in forgiveness, even if that doesn’t include a second chance in your career.
Ya, it’s totally unfair. A man assaults a female, and all he has to do is miss some baseball games. Instead of sitting at home, a lot of men who aren’t pro athletes would be spending all that time going to court dates, behavior classes, paying fines, doing community service, or maybe sitting in jail. Must be rough
Sounds like a kid needing some direction in his life.
Yes only needs to know how to get to the Bronx now
Remember that time when he was charged for his crimes after she pressed charges, and he was found guilty? Wasn’t that great?
He was never charge nor was a police report ever filed. It doesn’t excuse what he did.
Police didn’t wanna right a report? That’s a lst
Dude was drunk and getting emo.
German was getting his drank on last night! I really hope the Yankees are offering all the support he needs, especially in the mental health department. He’s such a talented player but he appears to have some personal demons to overcome. I’ll never be a fan of his due to the domestic violence issue but I do believe everyone deserves a second chance. In order to be successful with that second chance, positive changes need to be made and I’m worried that German has a long ways to go in that department given his recent erratic behavior. The Yankees need to take these issues seriously and make sure he has the support and guidance he needs in order to earn that second chance and change his life for the better.
Damnit, @mantooth
I find it rather discombobulating when you post classy stuff like that.
I’m trying to hold on to my tired narrative of what red sox fans are “really like”.
I adhere to so few sweeping generalizations. I’d appreciate some cooperation in this matter as your threatening what may be my last one.
Not cool, bro.
😉
(+1 all day)
How’s this, Ducky: Yankees Suck! Does that restore your faith? LOL
Lol
You’re alright, man.
Honestly, I spent a lot of my youth “wicked fah down east” Maine. I actually know that red sox fans come in all kinds of variety.
Just glad he’s coming back. Too young to retire. Only 28 years old. When you can throw a ball 95 miles per hour probably best to just keep on doing that. What else is better out there then that?
Smashing 95 mph fastballs for home runs?
Lol! Yeah probably
Also @mantooth
That leaves ~ 100 mil to plug holes.
Gardy has an option BTW. Ottavino is the only free agent reliever.(Britton has one of those swell opts – or whatever – which bet he’ll exercise, also btw).
“6-7 important slots to fill in their rotation”. Say what? Now?
Cole, Sevi back midseason, Montgomery back end, & some promising young arms. I count two. And, really, since Tanaka will be back that’s… well, bro; *one*.
I know you’re hoping for a sudden Yankee demise. Not gunna happen. Yankees are built to last. Guarantee they’ll be in the thick of things next year, too.
6-7 slots to fill on their roster, not rotation. Sorry about that.
Fair enough.
I couldn’t even make it 6-7 spots in the entire pitching staff. I still think that’s a bit high.
But.
*Even* if that is true;
$100 mil & an above average farm system should help mitigate a lot of problems. I really don’t see this particular “window” closing any time soon.
Where does the $100M come from? They are committed to $135M for 2021 already against a CBT of $208M. Then with arbitration raises to Judge, Sanchez & Torres, that adds at least $20M to their salary totals. This gets them to $155M+ before adding or resigning anyone. That’s $53M available to spend if they want to reset their CBT.
I’m guessing they will not try to reset, but they will definitely do all they can to stay below the $240M threshold where they lose draft picks and pay a 75%+ tax on CBT overages. So that leaves them with a range of $53M – $84M to spend in 2021. Certainly a decent chunk of change, but not enough to trade for (and sign) Lindor, add another $25M+ pitcher, resign DJL and fill the rest of their openings. Also, Andujar hits arbitration in 2022 (if not 2021) and Torres, Sanchez & Judge will get much more expensive in 2022 arbitration as well. I agree the Yankees will stay competitive over the next 3-4 years but they do have payroll constraints that will prevent them from creating a super team.
I’m using ~ 150 mil for next year salary commitments.
The Yanks seem to really only be concerned – at this point in time – with staying below the 3rd CBT threshold.
If you don’t care for 100 mil then how about I amend that to 90+ mil? From the understanding I’ve gotten here *all* teams will be resetting their penalties. Well, those that are in the penalty range.
With the new CBA coming (& probable substantial CBT increases) the Yankees have no reason to not spend, spend, spend! One reliever, one infielder, and a couple starting pitchers won’t be onerous at all.
On guys making more in arbitration the Yankees have shown a recent inclination to extend their own players. I know this is probably Bad News for you? But the Yanks are simply not going anywhere for the next several seasons.
It is what it is as the wise man said.
@Ducky – My original post disappeared on me so sorry if some of this is a repeat of what I just said, but I did a little research on the Yankees arbitration situation and it is much more complex than I thought it was. As I stated above, the Yankees are committed to $135M in payroll obligations for 2021. They also have a MASSIVE number of players who are eligible for arbitration and will get sizable raises. Look at this list:
Arb 2 Players: Aaron Judge ($8.5M), Gary Sanchez: ($5M). Jordan Montgomery ($805K) You can easily see Judge getting a $10M raise and Sanchez $5M. Monty is a wild card. If he’ll stays healthy and pitches well, he could get bumped up to $6M-$8M+ as well. Let’s call it a round $20M for this group.
Arb 1 Players: Gleyber Torres ($675K), Andujar ($632K), Luke Voit ($634K), Gio Urshela ($2.5M), Clint Frazier ($588K). Between Torres, Andujar & Voit alone, that’s another $18M+ in raises, if not way more. Mookie got $10M in his first year of arbitration and he’s a good comp for Torres. Then Voit, Urshela & Frazier should get at least $7M between them, for a total of $25M for the Arb 1 group.
Other lesser Arb eligible players include: Kahnle, Chad Green, Lyons, Holder & Heller. Let’s say they get a total of $5M between them.
That totals $50M in arbitration raises in 2021 and bumps their salaries up from $135M to $185M without adding a single new player! While I highly doubt the Yankees will try to get below the $208M CBT in 2021, they will do all they can to stay below the maximum threshold of $240M where they lose draft picks and are taxed up to 100% of salary overages. So assuming they resign all of their arbitration players, they will have between $23M – $55M to spend if they want to stay below $240M in payroll. Maybe they can sign a Strohman or resign Tanaka or Paxton, but there’s no way they’ll be able to resign multiple $20M starting pitchers and like some people say on this board, trade for and pay Lindor from Cleveland. I’d say this is rather sobering news, wouldn’t you? They will still be a great team but they have some tough decisions coming up about payroll and free agents. That’s to be expected when you pay 2 players close to $70M a year to play for your team (Cole & Stanton).
Mr. Mantooth makes sense.
Sorry for so many posts on this subject but I just hit the floor when I did some more research on the Yankees payroll situation for 2021. Using SportsTrac, it states that the CBT commitments for the Yankees next year total $130M. However, this number only includes guaranteed contracts, so the $130M only includes 8 players! (Cole, Stanton, Britton, Hicks, Severino, Chapman, Ottavino, Gardner). Since the rest of their players are either ARB eligible (Judge, Torres, Andujar, etc) or free agents like DJ, their salaries count as $0 here. This absolutely floored me! I thought the $130M included current salaries for Judge and everyone else but it does not! The Yankees are in a world of hurt next year when it comes to payroll. They will have to go to $275M+ if they want to keep their core players and sign a couple of good starters. Here’s how the $130M breaks down from a CBT perspective:
Cole – $36M
Stanton – $22M
Chapman – $17.5M
Britton – $13M
Severino – $10M
Hicks – $10M
Gardner – $12.5M (option)
Ottavino – $9M
How are they going to pay Torres, Andujar, Judge, Sanchez, Voit, Montgomery, and the rest of the arbitration eligible players (and tendered players) and try to add free agents with blowing way past the $240M highest CBT number? There’s no way they will be able to. Wow, this was much worse than I originally thought it was. I’m guessing the Yankees payroll next year will approach $275M when it’s all said and done! Last post on this subject matter, I promise.
Holy fu-…@mantooth
What an awesome, detailed, & highly nuanced response. This is amazing. I took a screenshot of it for future reference!
Yeah.
You are correct. It’s *not* as much as I was thinking (was using a quick & dirty figure of ~ 150 mil for committed payroll & ~ 250 mil for staying under the top tier).
Definitely shy of that.
But.
What will the Yanks really “need” this off-season? I’d say at least one – but probably two- starters, probably an infielder (hoping to resign DJ) & probably a reliever to replace Ottavino.
Small shopping list, serious.
As a fan I feel a sense of urgency every season. It’s becoming increasingly clear that Cashman, Hal, et al do not.
They just want a seat at the craps table every fall.
I *still* asset that we’re in very good shape to do this for several seasons out.
Thanks again for the great work and effort in your response.
I guess the Yankees slapped that retirement talk out of him during breakfast this morning after he got his “drank on“ last night?
Him not being able to control his emotions is why he’s in this mess to begin with.
Yankee 2021 rotation:
Gerrit Cole
John Paxton
Masahiro Tanaka
Jordan Montgomery
Domingo German/ Luis Severino (Tommy John)
With that rotation we really don’t need Mike Clevinger anyway. Maybe we just trade for Frankie Lindor instead?
How will the Yankees acquire Clevinger? It would cost them at least their top 3 prospects (one of whom is Schmidt), along with Andujar, and I’m still not sure Cleveland would agree to that deal. It’s too soon to know if Jasson Dominguez is the real deal or not, but if Cleveland likes him, he’ll have to be included. Perhaps a package of Schmidt, Dominguez, Garcia and Andujar would be enough for Cleveland to say “YES”, but there are no sure fire MLB stars in this list (except maybe Andujar if he has another great season in 2020). Clevinger is a star and has years of control left which Cleveland loves. It will be very hard to pry him loose unless they get back a massive return. Someone like SD would have a better chance with their prospects. A package centered around Patino & Gore would certainly pique the interest of Cleveland much more than what the Yankees could offer.
P.S. – How much are the Yankees going to pay James Paxton and Tanaka to return? I assume they’ll both ask for salaries in the $20M+ range, so the Yankees will have to blow past the CBT ‘cap’ for the third year in a row to do that, given the other holes they’ll need to fill. Does anyone know if NY wants to reset in 2021?
Nah not wanting Clevinger anymore with German coming back. Just want Frankie Lindor. Thinking a package of Miguel Andujar, Deivi Garcia, Michael King, Thairo Estrada, and Tyler Wade gets that done at the August 31st trade deadline
Okay, Cegmyster, why do you think that your offer would be good enough to get Francisco Lindor? A player that CANNOT play a defensive position, and a 5-9 pitcher that some scouts believe won’t hold up as a starting pitcher. are the main pieces for a top 5 player in baseball. A DH and a possible reliever. Boy, you really over value the Yankee players. Thankfully, Cleveland’s front office is much smarter and would never consider your deal.
Some Yankee fans are funny! I have seen so many trade ideas from fans like Ceg where some combination of Andujar, Garcia and Frazier is worth any player in mlb. Even though none of them are good enough to start for the Yankees themselves.
You are so correct,Javia. Ceg seems particular far out there among Yankee fans.
I totally disagree I can get Josh Hader right now for Miguel Andujar who you say doesn’t have a position which isn’t true. He can play 3rd base or left field. You and hockeyjoe will kick yourself when he hits 30 homeruns yearly and improves on his defense. And you wish you would of traded for him when you had a chance to.
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It doesn’t look like the Yankees could just get Josh Hader for Andujar right now. Looks like he would have been part of a package and the Yankees still weren’t sure it would have been enough.
We know you REALLY want Lindor for the Yankees spare parts. But it’s not happening this year.
Oh and by the way, Hader has nowhere near the value that Lindor has.
Well you better trade this guy. Because he is going to leave you next season and your going to get nothing for him except draft picks. Is that what you and hockeyjohn want? I’m ok with my Yankee major league players and prospects. If you don’t want em no problem. The Yankees are the favorites to win in the AL even without Lindor or Clevinger. Good luck hope you guys win your division. Hate the Twinkies and the Chi-Sox.
Just keep Lindor but not crying when he leaves you signs with the Yankees and you get nothing. Why can’t the Tribe just pay him the $30 million dollars a year he desires for the next 7 years? After all he is a franchise player right? The Indians should try to sign him lst before trading him
Hey wish you guys the best trying to extend Lindor. Hopefully you can and he doesn’t just leave you for draft picks. Yankees are probably winning it all without Lindor anyway. The Dodgers and Nationals will be tough. But not as worried as you think. Lindor would just push the Yankees over to win the whole thing. In my opinion he is our missing piece. Maybe not?
The Indians have tried to sign Francisco Lindor, but small market teams do not have the same advantages money wise that large market teams like the Yankees and Dodgers have. The Yankees can have mistakes like Ellsbury and trading for Stanton’s contract and still have money to spend. A bad contract like that on a small market team can hamper them for a decade. There is a real money imbalance in major league baseball. The Yankees receive 2 1/2 time the amount of money from a local TV contract than the Indians do. That is one significant advantage among many other money streams that big market teams have. It is not a level playing field.. Another example is the Yankees TV deal is almost 6 times larger than that of the Miami Marlins.
Ceg, I obviously would like to sign and keep him, but I also understand the marketplace off a small market team. I would rather keep him while the Indians are contenders like they did for several others like Jim Thome, Manny Ramirez, and others. If a trade has to happen, it needs to bring players OF NEED that can help keep the Indians competitive. I just don’t see the Yankees as a team that can meet the needs of the Cleveland Indians. The Dodgers could have easily had Lindor in the offseason. They had the controllable MLB ready piece that could have lead a Lindor deal, but they would not include him and the Indians would not settle for less.
You can keep your squad of DHs (Andujar, Frazier, Stanton) and I will be glad to have Lindor on the Indians. While I am watching Lindor play, Yankee fans will watch Frazier again on the bench or on the taxi squad and Andujar be a part time player behind Urshela and Stanton who will likely DH more than any other Yankee.
I am not a fan of the Indians or the Yankees Ceg. I am just a neutral fan who is saying that what you are offering for Lindor has very little value. If Frasier is such a sure thing to hit 30-HR yearly the Yankees wouldn’t have signed 37yo Brett Gardner to play LF, would they?
Yea….no it doesn’t. Cleveland has absolutely no place for andujar, Garcia is a good second piece but the Yankees don’t have a one piece that matches up….Lindor will not be traded as Cleveland will be in the hunt. When he is traded in the off season, it will be to the dodgers, padres, Braves or cards.
Indiansjoe I definitely disagree. Where are you getting this star shortstop in a trade for Lindor in the off-season? It’s likely not happening. The Indians will likely take the best offer available. We will see what the best offer will be. Why not just pay your franchise player what he deserves and keep him in Cleveland?
No, Cleveland is not just going to take the best offer on the table.
I would love for them to pay him, sadly not what Dolan will do. Don’t need a star shortstop back, minors is full of middle infielders. But do need a star player that can play a position of need. Andujar is blocked by Ramírez, Reyes, Santana, other Santana at 3rd dh and first…not a position of need. Garcia is a late inning reliever, which is great. But you don’t trade a Lindor unless you get a guy that might become a star…..maybe not today but someday. They may not always workout, but your fans must believe it at the trade. And Cleveland has let players play out their contracts many times as position players, there is no guarantees they trade Lindor. They could hold on to him til the end and try to say they did all the could to sign him and it just didn’t work out, like they did with bell, thome and manny
If Lindor is your favorite player on the Indians and is a franchise player you got to extend him now. And keep him. Shame on ownership for not doing so. That’s definitely a red flag. Andujar is not garbage with 500 at bats he’ll hit 30 homers or so. Same thing with Frazier. That’s 30 more homers then you will likely get with Lindor. Garcia I feel will definitely be a 3rd or 4th starter in this league. But Clarke Schmidt is probably a future #2 or #3 assuming these guys don’t get hurt.
I would put Ramirez at 2b. Andujar defense is improving at 3b. If he is really bad try Andujar at 2b and put Ramirez back at 3b. Andujar & Frazier are not going to hurt you with the bat. They will definitely improve your offense and hurt your defense some. When they have the at bats there going to produce. You’d have One of the best offenses in baseball. Andujar is the next Adrian Beltre without the gold glove defense of course. He is improving defensively though
Ceg, Cleveland is supposed to trade a gold glove power hitting superstar for players that they will have to experiment with to find a position. You don’t trade a superstar for players that you will have to experiment with to find a position. Cleveland have a solid 2B for this season and have prospects coming from a better farm system than the Yankees. A farm system loaded with middle infield prospects. I repeat, Andujar is no more than a DH and the Indians do not need a DH.
You don’t trade a talented player like Lindor for players with so many question marks.
The Yankees if given a choice would likely take the cheaper Tanaka back at 3 years, $65 million. They’ll likely let Paxton walk unless he takes a 5 year deal at $120 million? Doubt it. They have Clarke Schmidt to take Paxton’s spot in the rotation anyway
The Yankees know their only real chance at winning is if every team tries to be tax compliant, except them. Getting below the tax and being WS competitive next year is simply not possible.
You type too much bruh. Let me summarize for you …The Yankees have a genius GM and endless economic resources. They will always be relevant under the Steinbrenner’s and cashman. That doesn’t guarantee titles, but they will always be relevant and right there. No need to over-analyze that. We know. NYers will fight 4 hours of traffic each way and spend $500 just to see a regular season game on a work day.
The Yankees will always have that
I do not agree that Cashman is a genius. Remember he signed Ellsbury and traded for Stanton. Both of those contracts have haunted and will continue to haunt the Yankees in the future. The Yankees will always compete because they have more money than everyone else. Small market can’t survive major contract mistakes that the Yankees can.
What about where Lindor wants to go? I disagree Ca$hman is a genius. He will find a way to get Lindor if the Indians fall out of contention. Lindor doesn’t want to sign with Cleveland long term. Might as well as move him and get something back for him this season. Or just pay your franchise player instead?
All this proves is that if a yankee fan ” will fight 4 hrs of traffic and spend 500. Just to see a game…..” is that what i always suspected, yankee fans are dumb..
Doesn’t take much to be a genius and sign every high priced free agent on the market.specially since cashman had only 1 w.s. under his belt in almost 20 yrs of being the g.m .( sorry the tainted w.s. wins in 96,98,99,00 goes to gene Michael and bob Watson ,the 2 who put them together)….and the 1 w.s. title under his belt he spent millions and millions on Sabathia, swisher, teixeira,burnett, a cpl of other escaping my mind and a- roid was jacked out of his mind that yr too.
I think this guy had 2nd thoughts..someone must have told him that there arent many opportunities for illegal aliens that dont speak english in america, unless its sports or telemarketing.
Why☝☝☝☝?
Why? Cant stay here if hes not playing.where in his homeland will he make the $$$$$ like he will here playing a game?