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Twins Notes: Cruz, Rosario, Pohlad On Payroll, Free Agency In 2021

By TC Zencka | October 31, 2020 at 6:43pm CDT

Twins owner Jim Pohlad said recently that the revenue losses due to the pandemic in 2020 won’t be the impetus for payroll decision-making in 2021, per Phil Miller of the Star Tribune (via Twitter). Pohlad does admit to the uncertainty facing next season, especially concerning future fan attendance. Pohlad refers to an “uncertainty discount” in discussing the planning for next season, though what that means in practical terms is yet to be determined.

The Twins ran out an estimated luxury tax payroll of $158MM in 2020, though the actual number was more like $132MM, and their ultimate payout to players was closer to $45MM after prorating salaries, per Cot’s Contracts. The Twins have an estimated payroll of around $100MM for 18 players next season, which is very much an estimate, as it includes estimated arbitration totals that have an even wider range of potential outcomes than usual.

The Twins have shown a commitment to winning when they view their window of contention to be open, however, as it very much is right now (despite their playoff struggles). To that end, they are currently negotiating to bring back designated hitter Nelson Cruz, writes La Velle E. Neal III of the Star Tribune. Cruz is said to be looking for a two-year deal. He just wrapped a successful two-year, $26MM deal with the Twins in which he managed a 163 wRC+ with 57 home runs over 737 plate appearances in 173 games.

A re-do of the same contract for Cruz would absorb something close to 40% of the payroll available before matching last season’s total. There’s murky math there, at best, considering the lack of clarity around arbitration and Pohlad’s “uncertainty discount.” The point remains that the Twins would figure to be judicious in certain areas this winter. That could mean non-tendering someone like Eddie Rosario, Neal suggests. The thinking there is that if the Twins believe top prospect Alex Kirilloff is ready for an outfield corner – with Max Kepler locked into another outfield spot and Byron Buxton still two seasons from free agency – they could save something close to $10MM by non-tendering Rosario.

In terms of a potential headline-making move in free agency, per Neal, Pohlad said, “We could, but we don’t know what the market for such a player is going to be. In a sense there has been, in my view — and I’m not speaking for the players or the union — there has to be some degree of risk sharing here.” Speculatively speaking, that could mean contracts with heavy incentives, even ones depending on fan attendance, though that would certainly set a complex precedent for the MLBPA. Owners would be more likely to address the issue of financial security through larger negotiations with the MLBPA.

Pohlad’s actions during the pandemic might lend a little more credence to his comments than the average owner, as the Twins have been one of the few franchises not to make any layoffs during this time. As Neal points out in his article, which is well worth a full read, Pohlad’s varied portfolio allowed the Twins to weather the storm better than most. Still, credit the Twins owner for committing to the continued employment of his staff during this difficult time.

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  1. biasisrelitive

    5 years ago

    Luxury tax payroll? What is that? I thought the tax was way higher than that…

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    • TrillionaireTeamOperator

      5 years ago

      I was thinking the same thing. Thought the luxury tax was at like $208M or something.

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      • Meatloaf rulz

        5 years ago

        I believe there are multiple tiers of the payroll Tax and 208 being the highest tier with the largest penalty

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        • Ducky Buckin Fent

          5 years ago

          This year the first CBT tier is 210 million.
          There are two levels above that. The highest will actually be 250 mil in ’21.

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    • phantomofdb

      5 years ago

      Pretty sure your “luxury tax payroll” is meaning the payroll used to tell if you’re over the luxury tax threshold. It’s based off of all of your contracts AAV (average annual value). Versus actual being what they’re actually paying this year.

      So if shortstop were on a 2 year deal making 5 million this year and 10 million next year, actual payout is 5 million. Luxury tax payroll figure for that player is 7.5

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    • Nick Deeds

      5 years ago

      Luxury Tax payroll means payroll for the purposes of calculating the luxury tax. It doesn’t mean the Twins surpassed the threshold. All it means is that certain players on multiyear deals have higher AAVs on their contracts than their actual 2020 salary.

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      • biasisrelitive

        5 years ago

        Thanks

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    • Koamalu

      5 years ago

      The CBT or “luxury tax” payroll is calculated based on the AAV of the contracts of each player on the 40 man roster and on signing bonuses being prorated through the length of the contract. That makes it different from the actual cash outlay in any given season.

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  2. MoRivera 1999

    5 years ago

    Seems like a very reasonable attitude and outlook for Pohlad. Kudos for no layoffs!

    Hope they keep Cruz.

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    • giantsphan12

      5 years ago

      @Mo, I’m with you: very cool that Pohlad kept the entire Twins organization on the payroll thus far! Would love to see Cruz get one more 2 -year deal.

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    • Ducky Buckin Fent

      5 years ago

      In light of the political climate here in MN, I don’t think Pohlad really had a choice as to whether or not to keep his employees on the payroll.
      I think there was more than a bit of self-preservation involved in his decision.

      It’s nothing more than argumentum ad baculum but it’s been shown to be (crudely) effective out here.
      Whatever, doe.

      Cruz has been a fantastic & highly productive hitter for them. “Uncertainty discount” is a good way of phrasing the current situation.

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      • mnfan

        5 years ago

        Plenty of people laid off in the Twin Cities; no need to take away from someone doing the right thing.
        I’d be sorry to see Eddie go, even as frustrated as I get with him sometimes. I’d wait to pull the trigger on any trade until seeing how Alex does in the spring.

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  3. TrillionaireTeamOperator

    5 years ago

    Considering, if payroll stays like it is, or goes back up to normal or closer to it, how does that impact negotiations? Like for example, if a player and a team agrees on a 1 year/$20M deal, do they all look at it as actually being 1 year/$8M, since guys mostly got 40 cents on the dollar for the 60 game season? Assuming they figure out how to do a full 162 game season but lose revenue from lack of live fans and vendor sales, etc. do payroll and salaries go up to 75 cents on the dollar, so 1 year/$20M becomes $15M?

    Or do they just sign a fully guaranteed 1 year/$15M for $20M deal with the understanding if by some miracle fans wind up back in stands, players get a graduated bonus that maxes out at whatever the intended salary would have been, like 1 year/$20M?

    All that said, I figured if Cruz got a new deal under normal circumstances, there’d be a slight pay bump for the discount he took on 2020 (prior to the pandemic’s impacts) and it’d be something like 2 years/$33M… so then in this case it’d either be 2 years/$16M guaranteed or, like I suggested, if they can play a full 162 game season but lose some revenue due to lack of live fans, it’d be 1 year/$12.5M guaranteed with a convoluted option/bonus system in place for year two depending on how circumstances play out?

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    • MoRivera 1999

      5 years ago

      Why would they give a pay increase to a guy who’s going to be 41 and 42 during the contract? I would expect he’d get less.

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      • TrillionaireTeamOperator

        5 years ago

        His performance has been extremely consistent and he took a a paycut on the $12M option. He was coming off a 4 year/$56M deal and the first guaranteed year of his last deal was $14.2M guarantee if the $12M option had not been exercised, so either they were accounting for a difference in state taxes or acknowledging inflation to maintain the year to year value. The $12M option did give him a pay decrease to a $13M AAV over the last two seasons. I see no reason to give him a pay cut now just because he’s getting older, if his performance has remained this consistent. Most contracts have under performing over valued final years. That’s just how it works. You over extend a guy to get him to sign on the front end of deals. I think Cruz should’ve just received an 8 year $113M deal, in hindsight. If you were to bump it up to maintain that $14M average, a two year deal right now would have to be 2 years/$30M, so maybe that’s actually what he should receive… except accounting for inflation, $14M when he signed his 4 year/$56M deal would be $15.4M today.

        So, original deal could’ve been 14.125M x 8 = $113M.

        Real value has been:

        $56 + $26 = $82M / 6 years = $13.67M a year.

        To get back to 8 years/$113M value going from 6 years ago, the next two years would have to pay him $31M. You add $2M, imagining it being spread across 8 years, to compensate for inflation and the unnecessary decreased 2020 salary- ignoring the overall discounts of 40 cents on the dollar the whole league experienced.

        Hence I think he deserves 2 years/$33M.

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  4. jsaldi

    5 years ago

    Poorly worded, the luxury tax is over $200 million I think it meant what their payroll was in relation to the luxury tax

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  5. throwinched10

    5 years ago

    My guess is Cruz signs elsewhere. Keep Rosario and give Kirilloff and Rooker the chance to play everyday. Buxton will get hurt at some point in 2021 but until that point, Rosario can DH with Kirilloff, Buxton, and Kepler in the OF. Sano and Rooker can fight it out at 1b.

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    • MoRivera 1999

      5 years ago

      What’s your take on where and for how much Cruz signs? Or just how much if you’ve got no feel for where.

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      • throwinched10

        5 years ago

        I don’t know if I have a good grasp on either. If the DH is AL-only for 2021 that limits his options to maybe 5 teams.
        The Twins, Indians, Athletics, Jays and Rays would be the 5 teams with a spot. Money on the other hand may be an issue for the A’s and Rays. I don’t know about the Indians finances but they seem cheap.
        I could see a two year deal for maybe $18 million. He is two years older than his last two year deal. He continues to defy father time but his price tag (like most free agents) will likely automatically decrease due to decreased financial flexibility on the organizational side.

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    • Twinsfan333

      5 years ago

      Rosario is gone he won’t be back.

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      • throwinched10

        5 years ago

        He would have more suitors than Cruz on the free agent market because of age and OF flexibility.

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    • ohyeadam

      5 years ago

      Why would you keep Rosario on to DH if you can get Cruz type production at a similar rate? It feels weird to release La Bomba Squad cleanup hitter for a $10mil price tag I agree. Twins have a logjam in the corner OF and this saves cost.

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  6. glassml

    5 years ago

    Why would they non-tender Rosario? 29, 2 more years of control, power bat, averaged over 800 OPS the last 4 years. Trade him.

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    • Twinsfan333

      5 years ago

      This is Rosario’s last year of control. He won’t be offered a contract. He’s gone

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    • ohyeadam

      5 years ago

      I think they will certainly try between now and the non tender deadline.

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    • slslinde

      5 years ago

      Y sentiments exactly

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      • slslinde

        5 years ago

        My sentiments exactly they could get a decent relief or starter for him. Let Kirloff play

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        • twreck_11

          5 years ago

          Rosario and 10 mil for Joe Smith and 4 mil. Twins cut cost and get needed vet bullpen arm. Astros get answer to one OF position at 6 mil net cost with resources available to add other depth in pen with young guys.

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  7. twinky

    5 years ago

    Trade Sano and Rosario for pitching, move Donaldson to first, sign a third baseman, sign Cruz. Kirloff, Buxton, Kepler in outfield.

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