TODAY: The trade is official. The Padres get Musgrove, the Mets get Lucchesi, and the Pirates receive the five prospects (Rodriguez, Head, Cruz, Fellows, and Bednar).
JANUARY 18, 5:47pm: This is a three-team trade, according to FanSided’s Robert Murray, who reports that the Mets will acquire Lucchesi. The Pirates will get catcher/outfielder Endy Rodriguez, per Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com.
5:40pm: Pittsburgh will get five players in return, Jon Heyman of MLB Network reports. Head and lefty Omar Cruz are among those going to the Pirates, per Dennis Lin of The Athletic. Southpaw Joey Lucchesi is also part of the trade, Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune reports, as are righties David Bednar and and Drake Fellows, Lin relays.
5:18pm: The Padres have agreed to acquire right-hander Joe Musgrove from the Pirates, Jeff Passan of ESPN tweets. The Pirates will receive “a large package of prospects,” potentially including outfielder Hudson Head, according to Passan.
This is the fourth significant trade for a starter in recent months for the Padres, who first acquired righty Mike Clevinger from Cleveland before last August’s deadline. Clevinger was quite effective for the Padres after the trade, but elbow issues limited him to one inning during the team’s NLDS loss to the division-rival Dodgers in October, and he won’t pitch at all in 2021 after undergoing Tommy John surgery in November.
After losing Clevinger for the upcoming season, the Padres swung trades with the Cubs for Yu Darvish, a National League Cy Young contender in 2020, as well as with the Rays for former AL Cy Young winner Blake Snell. They’ll presumably have Darvish, Snell, Musgrove, Dinelson Lamet (if he’s healthy after dealing with bicep troubles last year) and Chris Paddack in their season-opening rotation, though prospects MacKenzie Gore, Ryan Weathers and Adrian Morejon could be among younger Pads pushing for starts in 2021.
In Musgrove, San Diego is getting a California native who owns a 4.33 ERA in 496 2/3 innings between the Astros and Pirates, but he entered the offseason as one of the majors’ most intriguing trade chips after a career-best campaign. The 28-year-old threw 39 2/3 innings and recorded a 3.86 ERA/3.50 SIERA, all while registering a personal-high 14.4 percent swinging-strike rate and placing 10th in the majors in strikeout percentage (33.1 percent). That production would have made it more difficult for the low-payroll Pirates to extend Musgrove, who’s due $4.45MM in 2021 and has one more year of arbitration control left after that.
Lucchesi could have been part of the Padres’ rotation next season, but he’ll instead go to New York and compete for the No. 5 spot in its starting group. The Mets’ staff looked terrific before this deal with Jacob deGrom, Carlos Carrasco, Marcus Stroman and David Peterson comprising their top four, but Steven Matz had been the front-runner for the fifth position after a dismal 2020. He’ll now have to go against Lucchesi, who recorded ERAs in the 4.00s in 2018 and ’19 before tossing just 5 2/3 innings in the bigs last year. Lucchesi’s not eligible to become a free agent until after 2024.
With no chance to contend in the near future, it made sense for the Pirates to move on from Musgrove in favor of a package of younger players. For Musgrove, they’re receiving at least four well-regarded prospects in Head, Cruz, Bednar and Rodriguez, whom MLB.com ranked among the top 20 farmhands in their teams’ farm systems.
Head (No. 7) went in the third round of the 2019 draft and then signed a record bonus for $3MM. The 19-year-old possesses an “extremely high” ceiling, according to MLB.com. Cruz (17) and Bednar (20) were also solid Padres prospects, with MLB.com calling Cruz a possible back-end starter and Bednar a hard thrower with promise. Fellows did not rank among the Padres’ top 30 prospects at MLB.com, and Baseball America wrote before the club drafted him that his 93 to 94 mph fastball is “often hittable because he struggles to hit his spots.” However, BA added that Fellows’ slider could at least help make him a legitimate major league reliever.
Rodriguez, 20, was the Mets’ 14th-ranked prospect at MLB.com before the trade. MLB.com writes that Rodriguez has “an advanced approach and natural bat-to-ball skills” that will be all the more valuable if he sticks at catcher, though a future in the outfield does seem like a possibility.
The main takeaway here is that the Padres remain serious about vying for a World Series – something they have never won – in the near future. Even if it doesn’t happen in the short term, though, the Padres appear to be set up to succeed for the long haul. Their MLB roster is one of the game’s best, and as BA notes on Twitter, the Padres still lead the league with seven top 100 prospects.
The Mets did this.
denial is one of the stages of grief
Right now, everyone is catching up to the Dodgers and Mets.
You got half of that right.
It’s not that hard catching up to a 4th place team.
You’re in denial.
You mean the Mets are catching up to the Padres and Dodgers.
Padres had a tremendous off season and are arguably better than the Mets, but we won’t know until they play some games. It’s insulting to even compare the Dodgers to either team. Dodgers are World Champions.
You mean the mets and dodgers were catching up to what the padres did
Padres don’t have pitching staff depth like Dodgers
The dodgers would have better depth and probably still be better but the Mets are a springer/hand away from having a better 26 man roster. They aren’t as ahead as you think.
I’m not trying to say the Dodgers aren’t a good team, they are and they did win the World Series, but can you say they would’ve still won if it were a full season? We will never know. All we do know is that they won a shortened season championship. They really need a full season championship to wash away any doubts for me.
The dodgers were beating teams at historic rates. Legitimately top 5 largest run differential ever at every point in the season
They were on pace to win 115 games. They beat the 2nd and 3rd best teams in the NL, then the best team in the AL. They also won more playoff games with fewer off days than ANY champion EVER in history
You sound like a fool if you try to pretend the dodgers weren’t legitimate champions
Mets’ rotation after deGrom has question marks. They also still have to sign the players mentioned.
The dodgers are light years ahead of the Mets wot he their depth it’s not close the Mets traded away a lot from their system. I’d much rather have the dodgers over the next 5 seasons.
Hang on, what? I’m trying to figure out how someone could say what MetsFan22 just did… I think they added Lindor, McCann, and Trevor May. Am I missing someone (obviously I must be, because this only makes them maybe 5-6 wins better)? Close to the Dodgers? Like, by close do me mean 13-15 wins back? I’ve gotta be missing a signing for real if someone is suggesting this.
The Padres could be compared to the Dodgers. Both teams are very good, each has very few weaknesses.
The Dodgers had a stronger 2020 rotation and more playoff experience.
The Padres had a better lineup and relief pitching. The Padres wore out their relief pitching in the playoffs due to their #1 and #2 starting pitchers being out. They didn’t have adequate replacements at the ML level.
In 2021, the Dodgers are going to be a 2nd place team
Springer and hand and your still worse than the dodgers
As it stands the Mets only really question when it comes to the rotation is who will be the 5th starter when season begins. That’s an enviable position.
And 99% of the country missed watching the World Series, and doesn’t even realize the Dodgers were the champions.
ROFL.
Fernando Tatis got more publicity than the Dodgers winning it all.
Yeah the Mets aren’t even past the braves yet. They have to actually win some games first and make the playoffs before they are with the best teams. The Padres are the second best team in the NL.
Mets got Luccessi
Ummmmm.
Darvish
Snell
Paddack
Lament
Musgrove
Gore
Morejron
Weathers
That’s depth on par with the Dodgers for sure.
Padres now have a pretty sweet squad.
Preller is having himself a great off-season.
I loathe tanking. There should never be a reward for intentionally losing. But if teams are going to do it (& they are!) then the way San Diego did it is damn near perfect, serious.
Big trade.
Padres one of the teams giving us a lot to talk about this season. In honor of that I’m going to throw *two* extra logs on the wood burning stove.
Gonna get crazy with it.
The Mets aren’t catching up to the Padres or the Dodgers. They are trying to catch up to the Braves. They have a ways to go to catch up to the Padres or the Dodgers.
Someone is.
Of course they would have won!
Of course.
@loldodgers
You sound like a fool if you pretend it was a normal season.
I don’t see that. I see a better Padres starting rotation than the Dodgers. Who is 3,4 and 5 for LA?
Carasco and Stroman are very good
The Mets and Padres need to chill. The braves need a bat! :(
A championship is a championship bro. Don’t be a hater because your team wasn’t good enough to win. You’re on this thread trying to rationalize some BS.
Yeah they still won though. But I see the Padres logo whatever helps you sleep at night.
Yeah ok buddy, the only person who sounds like a fool is you! You’re playing hypotheticals acting like they were going to win out at that pace! Haha! Injuries happen, etc etc! Like I said, if you know how to read, Dodgers are a great team, not taking that from them, but in a long 162 game season a lot can happen. Who’s to say Yankees and Judge along with Stanton got hot what would’ve happened. I watched the Giants beat down year after year teams like the Dodgers who were predicted to win. It’s who’s hot. Like I said, if they repeat in a full season then they can own a REAL Championship. Sorry bud, imo
Yeah it’s still a real championship though. It’s in the record books and part of history your deranged words really can’t do nothing to change that. You got hate in your blood. It’s over they won move on with your life
@ balk You should remove your comment
For the eight consecutive time Dodgers won their division, since half of the teams went to playoffs it is less important the season and it’s a bigger gamble to be the world series champions. I say 8 teams was too much. I don’t see any of the doubts, it was a bigger task.
Lmaooooooo
These Mets fans are delusional lmao
Resigned Stroman who missed 2020
Got Carrasco to go with Stroman and Degrom
Mets still have all their key pieces
Entered the offseason with needing a C, Right handed bat, Rotation and Bulpen needs
Defense
C-Mccann-Good defensive C with a bat
Right handed bat (Switch in this case) Lindor top 3 defensive ss and top 5 player
Rotation Carrasco, Stroman, Lucchesi
Bulpen May one of the best relievers over the past two years
Still have 25-30mil left to spend
Plenty of top FA they can add to this team
Padres added a bounceback in a shortened season starter Darvish, Top starter in Snell, A potential good starter in Mosgrove, a korean lotto ticket player
Dodgers get Price back from covid and signed a bunch of good relievers just need to resign turner and add a piece here or there to fill bench etc
NL East
Braves added Drew Smyly- a glorified reliever check his numbers in rotation they sucked, Charlie Morton whose nearing the end of his career and had a bad 2020 so hoping for a bounceback, back end of rotation arm and hopeful top
Lost Soroka for start of year and a question mark for next year due to nature of injury, Osuna their best protection bat for Freeman, havent upgraded lineup biggest weakness
Nationals-Added a deffensive liability who has been subpar last few years Schwarber and Bell whose on and off
Phillies and marlins basically nothing
So yes the Mets should be considered at this point a first place threat for East and top contender in NL if not MLB given the step back every team not named Dodgers, Padres, Mets have had NL Yankees, Whitesox AL
Why would I remove my comment? I stand by what I said. I’ve watched 162 game seasons for 38 years, to me this last year was anything but a championship or a season. Most didn’t even show up to play, along with a national league DH. Anyone who says this was a legitimate championship and season is only fooling themselves and taking away teams that truly had to fight through injuries and exhaustion to win out. Dodgers have choked every time in the series since ‘88 and I’m still waiting to see if they can do it. Like I said it’s my opinion.
Keep telling yourself that. You guys finally sniff the playoffs and all of a sudden you are a dynasty? Give me a break. It’s fans like you that host a parade for a team advancing to the wild card round.
Respect your opinion. Still a championship so you’ll be waiting all by yourself.
There’s no way it was a bigger task. Dh in national league, a lot of players sat out. Weaker teams in the playoffs, shortened season which gives pitchers a huge advantage due to less innings pitched before a World Series. Couldn’t even play against other divisions. Look, I’m happy baseball got played, it was awesome to see the way it unfolded, but to me a lot has to be proved over the course of a season with battling through injuries, fatigue etc. that’s what makes a champion in my book
Price, Kershaw, Buehler, May, Gonsolin and Urias.
Finally sniff the playoffs? Haha, try three rings boy.
I’m sure millions are right next to me waiting for a full season to be played.
MetsFan22: How many games have the Mets won this year? 0 is the correct answer (just like every other team). They don’t give out trophies for winning the off season. Have the Mets improved their team? It sure LOOKS like it, but they have to ACTUALLY DO it before you & the rest of their fanbase have anything to really crow about.
For the first time in 30+ years, they only spent 7 billion plus to get it done, and with the help of an * they got the job done.
Catching up……..the Padres just passed the Dodgers and Mets
How many games did the Mariners win in 2001? 162 games puts a lot more ware on a team than 60, they get an *
I agree 100%
@whynot: that is *far* from the only real question about the Mets’ rotation. Coming from a Mets fan, let me break it down:
1 – deGrom: no questions.
2 – Carrasco: mostly no questions, though he will be 34 and 2019
3 – Stroman: missed all of 2020, will that affect him?
4 – Peterson: can he repeat his performance from 2020? Can he sustain that over a full season?
5 – Thor: how will he return form injury? who is the starter until he comes back?
*in re: Carrasco, should say ‘2019 was rough for him’
LOL your comments are always so entertaining. Only 3 teams finished worse than the Mets in the NL. No one is chasing them.
Marty teach us about racism and fat shaming. We are all very impressed with how “woke” you are! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Have another sandwich McRibb!
Your another idiot Padre fan. Padres have won 13 post season games in their 52 year history. Dodgers won 13 last year.
Price, May, Urias, Gonsolin
And that is the sound of the mic dropping.
LOLdodgers: Don’t forget, it’s not like the Dodgers also came from nowhere this year or are ahead of schedule. They’ve been legitimate contenders for years now. They’ve just been able to close the deal in ‘20. Anyone who thinks it is a fluke is a joke. Let’s not forget that they could’ve very well been the champs if not for the Cheatstros also…..
A collection of pitchers is not a team.
No @old ranger, tis not.
Helluva good start, though.
@VegasSDfan funny you said the same last season. “The World Series goes through us” dodgers win series 3-0 beating the top 2 offenses in the majors, then beating the top ranked rays. You disappeared after that statement for good reason, will you do the same this year??
Unfortunately, most teams can’t afford the Yankees way of spending right near the CBT threshold every year. For teams like San Diego, it’s the best way to get good in a hurry. That said, I agree with you. They really lucked on Tatis, but they’ve made a lot of shrewd moves and draft picks, too.
@vegasSDfan man you must really be salty, you always have something to say about your daddy the dodgers. Padres fans make video parodies of “California love” while we polish’s our trophy. Just got enjoy La Jolla beach and pipe down oh wait you live in a nevada yikes
@Tatsumaki
The Dodgers won the World Series? Nobody watched it or cares!! Rofl.
When we win it, it will be a full season, with fans. Without an asterisk.
@Tatsumaki
Did you you know that the Dodgers have one of the worst rated stadiums in baseball?
SDSU has a nicer stadium, and it only cost a few million.
Living in LA or Nevada, easy choice, as LA is a dump. Dumpy city with a 99cent stadium.
@vegas –
Now, I’m peripherally excited for the Padres. They’re having a great off-season & it’s a blast to watch, man.
But I cannot disagree more with the “without an asterisk” deal. As someone who navigated his company through 2020 I have mad respect for everyone else who did the same.
Dodgers deserve extra credit for making it through, if anything.
I must agree with Ducky. The Dodgers won the World Series. They had the same chance as every other team. They came out on top. They are the best team in mlb until someone takes that title from them.
Vegas, 100% of the country missed the Padres in the World Series.
Mets key bat is missing. He will be all season. Steroids again.
May was not a top 10 reliever last season. fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&… Sort by ERA, FIP, WAR, K/9, Sierra. He is not there among the top relievers.
Lindor is not a top 5 player. Not even top ten. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and included 2019 and he ranked 26th. fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&… You know who is a top 5 player and SS? Tatis Jr.
Lucchesi couldn’t make the Padres rotation in 2020 and you have him filling the #4 slot for the Mets. Says all we need to know about Mets rotation and lack of depth. Stroman is a #3 on any good team. Carrasco is a #4.
Interesting “stat” from Eno Harris. More than 40% of MLB players had a season 25% better or 25% worse than their career averages in 2020. Almost half had outlier seasons including the last 2 NL MVPs. It was a weird season.
Wait.
@Pads fan.
That is really big. It kinda fits with what we saw, too. Do you have a link or something?
If you get this, merci.
Perhaps but they lost a lot of core members. They still don’t even have a third baseman
Stroman more like a #4. Carrasco is a #3 fringe 2. He’s had multiple years of 200Ks that’s a top of the rotation pitcher not a #4 starter. He replaces the production they lost with Wheeler going to Philly.
Rules were the same for every team, and more competitors with one more round to go in playoffs.
The Dodgers are legitimate champions of a 60 game season. Which isn’t a 162 game season.
That’s true and you would’ve gladly accepted that championship if it was your squad
Hahaha you’re silly! It’s really called delusion!
Lol, Mets aren’t even the best team in the NL East
Lol you’re in denial.
Lucchesi was at #9 on the Padres SP depth chart. For him they picked up a guy who on most teams would slot ar #2 or 3. On the Padres he’ll be # 5 in rotation.
The nationals and Red Sox both would not have won their title with the 2020 postseason schedule. Your complaints are idiotic
Stay as sour as you want. You know there’s gonna be a huge parade in Los Angeles when we can. And you and Tatis and Machado and Hosmer and Preller will all be watching
You can’t blast someone for hypotheticals while pushing a massive hypothetical….well you can, you’ll just look the way you do right now
Duuudeee… Vegas is a s***hole. You can’t go after LA. You live in a city that’s on par with like….El Cajon.
Not sure I agree with that anymore. Theyve added Snell, Darvish and now Musgrove to their already solid group or young pitching. I’d say they’ve got about as solid a pitching staff as anyone. Maybe you could make a case for them needing another reliever or two but other than that. Theyve got 6 SPs that pretty much every team would want in their rotation and 3 incredibly promising minor league starters who are close to ML ready as well. Theyve really had one heck of an off-season so far
Is it really hypothetical? Both Boston+Wash won riding 3 pitchers on short rest, and used the off days to make it work. They used their side days as days to pitch in the playoffs. The ONLY reason it worked was the excessive offdays
None of that is possible with zero off days in the first three rounds of the playoffs. That’s just basic common sense
Help me out!!!!!! I forgot how many Championships have the Padres won? The Pads fans are sure acting like they are the Yankees all of a sudden. Let’s pump the brakes until the Pads win their first WS. They have dominated the offseason but games are won on the field.
Really? Because I looked really close during the WS and.I never saw Tatis on the field one time. You can ROFL but the Dodgers will be wearing something on their ring finger that the Puds wish they had.
@balk, IMO, shortened season or not, Dodgers won the WS last year, fair and square. Now that they broke thru, and figured out how to overcome their years of postseason mismanagement, they’ll probably win again this year. Just my opinion, as a Giants fan nonetheless.
You missed a pretty big one in Carrasco. @bencole
No one is worried about the Mets.
@Balk you mean the team that has been dominating the regular season the last 2 years? Yes. I could say that they would’ve won a full season.
@lasershowlamemame, El Cajon at any portion of the city is cleaner than LA.
Yeah yankee clipper, let’s not forget the Dodgers have won the division for many consecutive years and have yet to still win a World Series in a full 162 game season. I will give you the Astros Series, but you still don’t know the true outcome of that. Just like you won’t know the true outcome of 2020 due to it being a shortened season. Point made
Amazes me how many Dodger fans are commenting here in an article not about their team, going to great lengths to say how not worried they are. Heh heh.
It’s weird anyone might think the Mets aren’t clearly in the driver’s seat. Trades involving a star middle-infielder and an elite arm guarantee success every time.
I myself have nothing to really look forward to this year. Well, nothing really exciting other than Jarred Kelenic debuting.
@MetsFan22, if by everyone you mean Pittsburgh and Arizona only, then yes. Until there are games, those are the teams chasing the Mets.
@bjoe –
Female reporters are.
So there’s that.
The LA Dodgers are legitimate champions and the #1 team going into this year. You have to take the crown from their heads. I know the crumbling Northeast wants to try and sell us that the Yanks and the Mets are the best but there are not enough drugs being sold on Wall Street to make someone believe that. I believe that San Diego is by far better than the Mets and that the Chicago White Sox are equal to or better than the Yanks.
But that is just the opinion from Las Vegas.
The Brewers are legitimately the champion of nothing. Don’t be bitter because the Dodgers are the team that always shatters your playoff dreams.
So what is a Brewers fan doing here?
Balk, you are correct and nobody can argue your points. However, SD and 29 other teams had the same opportunity (including NYY) to win, but the Dodgers did. We will see this year though because LAD will be right back on top of the NL. It’s theirs to lose, imho.
@ coyote: “Brewer” is not connected to baseball or the team in Milwaukee.
@padreforlife “Padres don’t have depth like Dodgers”
Padres were good in 2020, and have added 3 starters, one good and two very good. I mean, how much more depth could anyone hope for? Their 4-5 starters now should be best in baseball, maybe even easily. I can’t recall a team adding 3 good starting pitchers in one offseason, ever. Musgrove very under the radar but should be solid.
I think Padres are best team in MLB now on paper. Last year does not matter, the Padres not close to the same team now. If Clevinger comes back strong in 2022, they should be epic good next year as well. I don’t think any team in MLB is as likely to win at least one World Series in the next 3 years. There is so much parity in baseball that nothing a team does makes them a sure thing, but the Padres have the best shot of any team to win it all in the next 3 years at least once, my opinion.
@ coyote: I’m not a Brewers fan I’m a Giants fan, you know the only team that’s won 3 WS in the past decade? (and all were actually legitimate seasons). .Besides, good teams of the past (Giants, Dodgers, etc…) are nothing if they can’t compete in the present. And it’s beginning to look as if the Padres are better than the Giants by far, and equal or better than the Dodgers. We’ll see.
@jhomeslice: Even with Clevenger out this year and Lamet possibly limited, the Padres appear to have matched or exceeded the Dodgers (and all MLB teams for that matter) in SP depth. Giving up Lucchesi who sat at #9 on the SP depth chart doesn’t hurt them at all. They also plan to sign Profar adding another key sub to their lineup. They’re deep at C and all infield positions. They might need another back-up OF, but Profar, Kim and even Cronenworth are potential OF pieces. They have 7 of MLB Top 100 Prospects, even after all the trades using the farm.
I see nothing but depth on this team and baring injuries to stars they have to be in the top 3 or 4 teams in MLB.
I think dumping the trash ownership (Wilpons) was the Mets’ best off-season move in a decade or more. Adding Steve Cohen, the richest owner in the league and true fan….that was a huge upgrade. He has invested in analytics, scouting, and he is willing to spend smart money.
The Mets added McCann (2nd best catcher available), May (top 2-3 available reliever), Lindor (top 5 player in the game), Carrasco (3.42 career FIP and >> Rosario, McNeil >> Cano, McCann > Ramos, and hopefully Springer > Nimmo…but even if not, they improved 3 infield positions, and 4 if they platoon Guilloirme w. JD at 3B.
They also have the best pitcher in the game. They also have Syndergaard waiting in the wings. He may come back an ace or he may be a #3-#4….not bad for depth.
Ok…so are they the best team in the league. No. Best in the NL? Nope. They need to compete in the NL East and stay healthy. If they can add Springer and/or another RP…they should be able to battle w. the Braves. The Braves are a balanced team with a pretty good farm from what I recall, but will ownership pony up down the stretch if they need to….TBD. I know the Mets will *finally* be in a position to make those “win now” moves that quality teams can plan to make. The Nats are uninspiring outside of a few gifted players, but there are also those albatross contracts for Scherzer et al. The Phils are a dumpster fire. The Marlins are likely going to be scrappy. They have better pitching than most fans give them credit for having, but they would be thrilled to be within 5 games of .500.
At the end of the day, the Mets need to make the playoffs and then I’d put them up against most any team and they have a puncher’s chance.
Top 3-5 offense, a top 10 BP, and their starters….TBD. They could be 15th or they could be top 5. One game, winner take all….I’m betting on deGrom. Every. Single. Time.
Well said. SD is stocked for the next 3-5 years. FINALLY they have a club that will legit compete with LAD. It’ll be interesting to see how LAD does in the summer/fall this year because they usually have the NL West locked up by August, so if they have to compete down the stretch, they can’t rest guys and get them lined up for the playoffs.
Things that losers say……….
According to ESPN, Price, Urias and Gonsolin are 3, 4, 5 for them.
Nah. I lived out there for 20 years. I’d take LA any day. I will say that the College of Southern Nevada has a better stadium than the Dodgers though.
It kinda looks like they may have better depth now.
@VegasSD … The Padres had experienced starters they could have used, but they chose not to. From early September until the last game, that was the worst job of managing a pitching staff I’ve ever seen. Ever.
@bucketbrew … Yeah, we look good on paper. But Lamet’s arm is a huge question mark, and Paddack hasn’t learned to pitch in the big leagues yet. Those two guys go sideways, and it could be a long season. Especially if Tingler and Preller don’t take a crash course in managing a pitching staff.
Lucchesi essentially had the same stats as Musgrove prior to last year. And the Pads gave up 5 prospects.
Two SPs going in different directions though. Sure it’s conceivable that Lucchesi turns things around and regains his ability to locate his very pedestrian stuff like he could 2 years ago, but the Padres clearly see otherwise. It’s also possible that Musgrove’s improvement last season was an aberration and that he’ll return to where he was 2 years ago, but the Padres (and most predictive analyses) see his future upside as SP 2-3 level. We saw a lot of Lucchesi over the past few years and I don’t see him ever reaching that level. We’ll see. Hudson Head could be a nice ML OF but the other 3 prospects and Bednar are long-shots.
I agree!
…you might actually be losing it
Joey Lucchesi, Hudson Head (#7), Omar Cruz (#17), David Bednar (#20), Drake Fellows (no professional games, age 22).
Solid return. Thanks for the info Marty!
Whoops, Lucchesi has since gone to the Mets and the Pirates get the Mets #14 Endy Rodriguez!
Pirates full haul: Hudson Head (#7), Omar Cruz (#17), David Bednar (#20), Drake Fellows (no professional games, age 22), Endy Rodriguez (#14/Mets)
Fellows was a 2019 draft pick.
Endy is young, but if he sticks at C, that is a quality lotto ticket player. I don’t know the SD prospects, but from what I read….if 2 of the 4 pan out to every day players, then I think it was a good trade for PIT. Musgrove has some nasty underlying pitching stats. He could be filthy for SD, which should make the NL West a really fun race.
What is wrong with you?
Hahaha. Yeah, everyone saw the Mets make a push for second or third in the division. They then said “Not on our watch! We can’t let a bad team improve enough to not challenge us in the playoffs.”
The Mets seem to have been brought in to make Lucchesi an acceptable part of the deal from the Pirates perspective. Solid move for all parties in my opinion, especially the Pirates. Seems like less of a return when compared to how Pirates fans valued Musgrove, but looks great to me.
@Mohlors –
Yeah.
Good trade all around.
Lol. They are involved
It turns out you were correct! Unbelievable!
The Dodgers did this. The Mets are irrelevant and picking up Joey Lucchesi, who went back to the minors most of last season.
They’re in on the trade
You are better than the people running this website.
Preller: What if we just get every starter on the market so no one else can have them
I’m going to assume Lamet isn’t healthy and they believe he will need TJ.
You better hope he needs TJ.
Why would I hope he needs TJ? I hope he doesn’t.
Why? The Padres still needed a starter.
Idk man Id be scared as much as I think pitching is what wins championships getting Musgrove (overrated in my opinion) means someone is hurt. Maybe not and the Pads are going all in. Mets wont make the playoffs lol
I can get into the lamet conspiracy but regardless of his health I can see the padres making this trade. They won the sweepstakes for 4 out of the 5 top starters on trade market. Maybe the just felt, hey if this is all it takes to aquire him what the heck.
Lamet won’t last the year, and the Pads know it. He ended the season with arm issues and went through PRP treatment. He’s already had one TJ, so …
Padres getting all the arms
The Padres are in the arms trade business.
Heard Oliver North is in talks to join the front office.
I heard it was Eric Holder.
Oliver North would get them the absolute best arms so that teams would have to forfeit because they would be to scared to play the Padres.
Padres gave up head and Cruz what are light return. Gonna have to start calling the padres the fleecers
SD traded with the Pirates They wrote the book on getting fleeced.
Literally chill, Padres
Jays fans:
Why are we still here
Just to to suffer
You shouldn’t be upset they missed in this guy. He’s not that good. Jays should be aiming for Tanaka/Bauer in free agency. Or Sonny Gray in a trade.
If the jays can avoid the land mines of Bauer, Springer and Realmuto this offseason they’re the big winners of the offseason. I mean if half the league makes the playoffs you should be able to make the playoffs with all homegrown drafted players and not even need free agents. If you can’t it’s because you’re gm isn’t very good. And if he can’t draft players why trust him to sign expensive free agents to multiple year contracts.
This team has decent crop of homegrown talent, but it needs to be supplemented. The rotation needs at least one high-end more arm to go with Ryu, and a good bat for two, because Bo is the only bat I truly have full confidence in.
Jays arent getting anyone big in FA, stop thinking they are, no one wants to play in Canda.
The fact you can’t even spell the name of the country shows how ignorant you are to Canada. You probably think we all live in igloos, eat maple syrup for dinner and say “eh!”. That’s not Canada.
Guy needs to watch some more Trailer Park Boys eh
LMAO yur so funny. Great joke, that made me laugh thxs man
Cut my life into pieces…
You suffer, but why
What cheervladdy said.
bro chill Preller
this is going to cost them
Just skip the 162 for safety and have Dodgers/Padres NLCS
Let’s just relegate the AL and let that be the World Series. The games best offense against the games best rotation.
if im honest I dont know if there is one team in the AL that you can say for sure will be a top 4 team in baseball next year. CHW maybe?
Oakland will for sure win 100 games if healthy. That rotation+defense….
Astros, A’s, White Sox, Yankees
lol
Marty why are you talking about baseball? You should be teaching all of us who weren’t raised right about asian racism! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Marty McWhale been getting extra cheese on his whopper!
Shut up, you clown.
@jawinks, Don’t really buy the Astros and A’s. A’s lost their closer and shortstop and Chapman just had hip surgery, so it’s fair to question whether he comes back in full strength.
Astros are losing Springer and may well lose Brantley, plus Verlander is out for the year.
If the Jays finally sign a truly big name, like Springer, Bauer, or JTR, they can catapult themselves into the conversation. The Rays, IMO, are on the cusp of it after trading Snell and losing Morton, but they have such a deep farm system and always seem to find a way to compete. I’d say White Sox and Yankees would have a shot to beat LA or SD, but it’d be maybe 30% with the teams as currently constructed.
NLDS assuming one of those teams has the best record in the NL
What the hell? Preller has officially gone mad. Does he even realize that we don’t need another starter? This is completely unexpected. I really hope that this doesn’t mean Lamet will get TJS soon.
There is no such thing as too much pitching
True
Lamet has to be a concern or they are rolling out a 7 man rotation
Lamet will be named the closer!
i have a feeling that may very well be it. maybe not need yet but they expect it.
dont bother commenting anymore if your takes are this useless
oh please. Lamet had TJ not that long ago and he’s running into elbow issues again. why is it shocking? Im assuming they don’t want to have him get it until they are sure he needs it, but that they fear he may need it anyway in the end.
To compete, you actually need seven guys in the system, due to injury concerns. The Astros had seven guys who could start. God forbid if the two long pitchers at the begging of the season aren’t AAAA bums like most teams have.
I agree that you need a lot of pitchers to be able to compete, but I think that the Padres have too many pitchers. Next year, we will have Snell, Darvish, Lamet, Musgrove, Paddack, Morejon, Lucchesi, Morejon, Gore, Baez, and Weathers all competing for a rotation spot. 2022 will add Clevinger to that mix. It just seems like the trade is a little overkill
I don’t think so at all. Quality move. Musgrove will be super solid at the back end of the rotation. Gives their young arms a chance to throw innings in the minors since there wasn’t a minors season last year
You can never have enough pitching
Lucchesi is gone. He was just traded for Musgrove. So you have a starting 5 of:
1. Snell
2. Darvish
3. Lamet
4. Musgrove
5. Paddack
6. Morejon
7. Weathers
8. Gore
5 regular starters and 3 injury replacement starters. I think they should still pick up a league minimum starter or 2.
Injuries happen every year. I would not be at all surprised if all 3 of Morejon, Weathers and Gore all get some time in the rotation. If the Padres are trying to win the World Series it would be nice to not have to count on any of those 3.
Lucchesi was included in the trade. He is a Met now.
The key word is competing. No reason Baez and Weathers cannot continue to come out of the pen or go back to AAA.
@dan55, not a Padres fan, but that was my first thought, too. They’ve made themselves a lot better this offseason, but they do have other holes to fill.
There’s a huge reason, at least for Weathers, why they can’t and shouldn’t come out of the bullpen. He’s not ready for ML baseball. Neither is Gore. I’d give Baez the shot, but only because he has a lot more development.
You rarely see this type of quality 1-7. All these guys need to pitch every 5th day.
Quality and/or track record is suspect at and below #4
But whatever helps y’all sleep
You traded for Ross Stripling, and gave up Ross Stripling and 4 additional prospects
LOLPadresFans — What nice fingers you have…the more to troll us with.
Truth hurts buddy
You traded for Ross Stripling and gave up Ross Stripling and 4 additional prospects. What a win
You’re cheering because your gm did something. And you’re still a wild card team. The same you were in October
Yeah, bruh. Truph hurts real bad. Bruh.
Preller taking the old adage “You can never have enough pitching” very seriously.
I’m impressed by it @Joe.
Preller is working it like a boss. Great to see. Good for baseball.
Good for the Padres fans, too.
No more Chargers no more Clippers. Those folks deserve something good in sports.
Pads fans (like DAN55, [Masahiro]Tasumaki, etc) thinking winning the offseason equals winning the WS. Then again, I guess for a Pad it might as well be. Dan, when do you think the last remaining professional team will run away from you?
See we can all do this!
Ouch @Clipper!
I’m almost ashamed to have laughed at that. But laugh I did.
Mercy. Still am…”run away from you”.
Good heavens.
Brought tears to my eyes, man.
These guys get into it with fast talking New Yorkers & it spirals down for them quickly.
Yankee Clipper – Don’t you dare put me in the same sentence as Tatsumaki. He is a Dodgers troll who only makes dumb comments. I bring insightful analysis to these comment pages.
The Padres added two legit aces, a solid middle of the rotation pitcher, a top infield prospect from Korea, and a really good backup catcher to a team that finished second in the NL last year. They are definitely a good team.
Also, Padres are staying in San Diego. They will never leave. The Clippers left because of Donald Sterling, the worst owner in sports history. They have sucked forever. I am happy they left. The Chargers left because Spanos is a horrible owner. I still root for them and hope they come back when Spanos sells the team. The Padres have a good owner, so they will never leave.
Yankee Clipper –
Have fun with your New York Yankees finishing third this year to the cheapskates in Tampa and the Buffalo Blue Jays. Cashman is a broken GM who can’t figure out how to build a rotation. They won’t be playing in the World Series anytime soon.
Padres were 2nd best record in 2020 and they just got substantially better in terms of starting pitching and better in position players. Not sure what you are looking at if you don’t think that the Padres are a playoff team.
Yeah so your insightful comments resonated with the Yankees articles. Shut it. Start it and you get what you earned with all your garbage too. You guys are hilarious when busting balls of everyone else, but man do you cry like whiny little babies when it circles back. Plus your both in California and your team will be in LA soon enough so what’s the difference?
You guys are shouting into the abyss.
That was a mic drop. He gone.
Lol
“ The Padres added two legit aces”
No they didn’t. Darvish was a top 5 ugliest contract in baseball FIVE MONTHS AGO. Now he’s a legitimate ace!?
Snell hasn’t been an ace in 2 years. Keep smoking that pipe man.
If we don’t win the WS, we’ll just commission Howard Zinn and the NYT to rewrite the history. Problem solved!
I suspect that Preller pulled the trigger on this because a) Musgrove is a good pitcher on a struggling team, and b) because the price was right. Musgrove is also from El Cajon, so he’s probably over the moon about being traded back home to one of the best teams in baseball.
I get padres excitement but one of the best teams in baseball? The same homers saying dodgers ring is an asterisks are the same guy puffing there chest to padres first postseason in 14 years and it came in the same season. Lol
The Padres were easily a top-five team last year. I don’t think that’s too debatable. And they have vastly improved. So, if they were one of the best teams last year I think they would qualify for one of the best teams this year. I know you are just trolling, tat, but man does it get annoying.
Padres were 2nd best team in the NL in 2020. They got better this offseason.
Im a Giants fan but will admit that every preseason power ranking have seen have Padres at 2 or 1. They’ve certainly improved over this off season more than any other team.
Oh please. You’re the biggest Padre bandwagoner on this message board. Nothing flipped you
Wait, didn’t SD have the 2nd best record in the NL last year??? They’ve only gotten better, soooooo, they are likely one of the best teams in baseball
Power rankings mean BS until 1/4 way to the season. Look at all the times the Mets were good on paper and did jack. Even my Nats in 2018.
No they were not. The Braves were clearly a better team. They themselves got stronger and the Dodgers are still the tops in the NL. You were the third best team. They are much better but the Dodgers are not done yet. Never sleep on the Dodgers. That said, I would put the Dodgers, Padres and Braves up against any team in baseball. The NL is a powerhouse with those 3 teams and I only see the Whitesox as a threat to them.
LOL– Bruh. Bruh. Dodgers, bruh. Bruh. Pads suck, bruh. Right, bruh? Hive five, bruh.
@Tatsumaki, I’m neither a Padres or Dodgers fan. I believe both that the Dodgers’ championship is legit and needs no asterisk and that the Padres have made themselves so much better this offseason that it’s not unreasonable to think the Dodgers could actually finish 2nd in that division…despite winning 100+ games, especially if we go back to a normal schedule and playing other divisions.
I’m not sold on Machado’s 2020. I am, however, sold on that rotation, their farm system, and especially Tatis, Jr. They may have shortened their window a little with all the trades they’ve made, but they’ve opened it as wide as it can go. 2021 ought to be a really fun race to watch in the NL West.
You *never* can have too much pitching. Even if they pull at TB Rays and trade from their starters and then just plug in the next beast 22-24 yr old flamethrower that they stretch out from the pen. I’d drool over their farm system bc they kept their top 4-5 prospects and still landed Snell et al. Impressive. They just need to hope that Meyers doesn’t turn back into a pumpkin and Hosmer can replicate his 2020 season. It’s still is not clear if Hosmer is a consistent .850 OPS guy…or a <.750 guy playing at a premium bat position where .800+ is expected.
We ABSOLUTELY need another starter.
what are you doing, angels?
Agree, but this is what happens when you have a superior farm system.
true.
It’s not like the angels farm is terrible. There is no reason to hold onto two outfield prospects when you’ve committed a half billion to two players and you’re trying to win now. Castillo, German, somebody!
Agree. Either the Angels aren’t offering them or the market is demanding more. The Angels don’t have the depth in numbers right now.
Angels farm system probably better than Padres now that we’ve emptied about half of it to get Snell, Darvish and Musgrove
Pads have only lost 1 of their top 10 prospects this off season. Preller is brilliant.
Patiño, Wilcox and Head were all top 10 Padres prospects going into this offseason…
Don’t use facts. Cmon now
Jerry DiPotto destroyed the Angels farm. He took a top 10 farm system and transformed it into the worst in the Majors. They have been trying to rebuild from that and have made progress, but not there yet.
The Angels are in a tough spot. They should have rebuilt a few years ago. As a result, the best player in baseball will waste his prime years.
Perry Minasian is really losing a lot of the fans goodwill right now. I for one am very disappointed and losing patience by the fact that so many good arms (Snell, Musgrove, Darvish, etc.) are now off the board and no deal or signing for a frontline started has been made. The fact remains, the Halos cannot contend without upgrades to the rotation. DO SOMETHING PERRY!!! Pretty soon the honeymoon will be over and the fans will turn on you.
You have to have a good farm system to make a trade! Perry is handcuffed!
Jo Adell is a top 10 prospect and Reid Detmers and Marsh are both consensus top 100 prospects. He’s not exactly handcuffed, he just doesn’t have what Preller has.
I want the Angels to acquire pitching as do Angels fans everywhere. I just don’t want Perry/Arte to make a multi year mistake by signing Bauer to a premium contract coming off a career year.
I would prefer two from the following, now dwindling, list: Tanaka, Odorizzi, Castillo, Sonny Gray, Jon Gray or Freeman. The trade options will cost the Angels some players, but are generally cheaper and controllable. If they go the FA route, I would like to see one year contracts, if possible.
Sadly your not gonna get any of those with that barren farm lol. Freeman? Really? No way he doesn’t retire a brave and angels don’t have enough for Castillo
Tat, two of the SP listed are FA requiring no trade from the barren farm you reference.
Kyle Freeland; not Freddie Freeman.
What not the Blue Jays?? But their in on everyone.
Angels fans are going to continue to slip into a deeper depression from seeing every starter to further south
maybe they can get Sonny Gray
Exactly. This is what Perry should do. That will make us all have a sigh of relief. Go get Gray Perry! Make it happen.
Wow it’s like the wrestling Ppv All In. Except the Padres are All In.
I think it’s amazing how much work the Padres are putting into the off-season when it’s likely they’ll probably not even get a WC. Lol
I appreciate the Padres for actually trying this offseason. Less than 20% of the league seems to be able to say that at this point.
you dont need to trade for three SP to be “trying”
At this point the Padres will never have anyone on the bump who isn’t deadly
Mets have been saying that for years yet it seems they rarely have anyone in the bump who is, except DeGrom
“potentially including” wow, brilliant reporting
Shut up dude
what’s the point of naming a prospect if you have no clue if he’s one of them in the trade? its useless speculation.
There’s the other “woke” warrior! Are the Padres racist for trading for a white guy? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! There’s so much wokeness tonight! Tell us about Puig again, that was a hoot and a holler!
reading comprehension is not your strong suit i suppose
“the Pirates will recieve a “large package of prospects” POTENTIALLY including outfielder Hudson Head.” It says potentially in the darn sentence.
It’s just a CYA word, like “allegedly”.
E before I dingleberry. You know they give you time to edit when you type something moronic. Or in your case extra moronic.
That return is way more than they gave up for Darvish LOL
its not even posted yet
i think he means Head alone is better then the Darvish package.
Why are you discussing head and package in the same sentence?
If you aren’t in Vegas then I’m guessing El Cajon Boulevard.
Darvish didn’t have a lot of surplus value at $20 mil/year.
Musgrove making $4.4 million…Darvish $13 million
@Blah blah blah
You picked the perfect name for your profile. Just a bunch of bs.
Who knows how the season plays out, but as a long suffering Padres fan, this is insane! Last year they lacked starting pitching depth. Doesn’t seem to be an issue for the upcoming year.
The thing that upsets me the most is I’m moving to Charlotte NC next week and I won’t get to see the Padres kick butt at Petco. I’ll be rooting from 2400 miles away
Its only 2385 miles between SD and Charlotte unless you take the long way!!
No way Gavin is letting fans into the stadiums this season.
Get MLB SEASON TICKET, you will get every game. I live in Wisconsin, but I get all Angels games. It is well worth the money.
I have it just for Pads games (ex San Diegan) but you don’t appreciate those 7:05 starts are 9:05 and 10:05 on the east coast. Just because they are broadcast doesn’t mean it works out to watch that late for some of us day time workers.
But I thought the Pirates were going for it all this year. Absolutely shocked.
‘going for it all’? Huh?
It’s sarcastic
No. We’re aiming for a WC run in ‘26
Is Nutting selling the team before then?
Going for number one pick
Why wouldn’t they?
Padres are doing what the Angels should be doing
How would the Angels pull all this off? The Padres have a vastly superior farm system.
You have to just push all the chips to the center of the table and go all in for someone. Some of these trades for pitchers haven’t been too overwhelming prospect wise.
You do? Seems that’s what they did for years and it didn’t work too well. They’ve had a terrible farm system for years and now it’s decent.
You just let Rendon and Trout play .500 baseball during the prime of their careers without going all in? If they just want to rebuild farm they are better off trading both of those guys.
That’s right. Crazy they haven’t put any prospect on the table to get Trout and Rendon a playoff chance. Make the best deal possible but do something to improve that staff. It would be good for baseball
They are building their farm up. Then when trout and rendon are declining they will make their move.
AJ Preller’s ears just perked up.
Cant have enough live arms as long as it doesn’t clear the farm, moo.
Never thought they’d give Head
lol
Slow down AJ, the rest of the league needs some starting pitchers too lol
Honestly I’m happy the Padres did this. Was worried he’d end up on the Jays. He’s a low end target that Shatkins would make a move for, and now they can’t.
Yes. The only issue with this deal is few expected the Padres to make this move. Personally I don’t think this trade was necessary for them. I was hoping Musgrove would go to Anaheim. The same competitors for Bauer and Tanaka remain.
Wow, if the Pirates are getting a large group of prospects headlined by Head, I’ll take it.
Who’s Hudson Head. Let me guess the Pirates wanted Frazier from Yankees once again they moved on too a lesser package. It’s the Cole trade all over again. Mets fans should worry about the Braves before they concern themselves with the Dodgers or Padres.
Hudson head is their 3rd round pick who’s one of their top 5 prospects. This is far from the Cole trade. They got back a really good package for Musgrove,.
Would have gone higher than the third round but teams didn’t think he’d sign
Endy Rodriguez is a big get for the Pirates. He’s a plus defender behind the dish and can hit really well.
Do the Pirates have a way to fix Head’s NASTY arm-bar? Otherwise he will never be able to hit pitches above his waist.
Heck yeah mlb1225
This is a solid return for Musgrove.
The Pirates certainly got a great haul for a pitcher who’s had one full healthy season in his career, which wasn’t even that good a season.
Clearly, the Padres worry about managing innings and pitchers’ health next year after the shortened season. If they’re right they’ll look brilliant.
I bet nobody hits 200 innings next season.
As a Padres fan, I am glad that we are trying to win, but I think this deal is too much. We already have enough starting pitchers, and this is overload. Unless we are planning on having a 6 man rotation, which is not a bad idea considering that most pitchers haven’t built upon arm strength due to the shortened season last year, I don’t get this. Plus, we will have rotation problems in 2022 when Clevinger comes back. I loved the Snell and Darvish trades, but this is too much.
I really hope we don’t give up any good prospects for Musgrove.
Depends what they give up. Baseball Trade Values says Joe Musgrove is a $36.2m surplus value. By comparison, C. J. Abrams is a 68.3 and Hudson Head is a 6.3
I wouldn’t be upset with trading Head, but I don’t get why we are going for Musgrove. He is a solid pitcher, but not a great one and I would have preferred the Padres to trade Head for a closer instead of a starter.
Now that they have announced we are trading Head and Cruz, I am not so mad about losing them. However, I still believe we could have sent this trade package to another team for a closer. That would have been more beneficial to the Padres than bringing in Musgrove.
There are still closers on the FA market. Colome, Meloncon, Rosenthal, Hand, Yates, all can close. Just sign one.
Enough starting pitchers lol
Oh ya, Mike Clevinger as your 6th starter…..what a headache!!!!!!
I think AJ is still looking to swing a deal for a high quality reliever, either through trade or FA. Maybe he plans on moving one of those starters.
The crazy thing about all these moves is the Padres still have the prospect capital to get a guy like Hader and put a bow on this team! I would be happy with Rosenthal though, I would like them to have some guys to fill in the holes in a couple of seasons.
I also hope you’re glad as a Padres fan they’re going to move. Because they will, Dan. Your broke down future team will be rebuilding from another city – it’s a darn shame. I hear SD has just the right amount of….. empty stadiums.
Who hurt you, @Yankee Clipper?
Nice! The Pirates are getting Head.
Nevermind, they updated the article. The only guy to help them in 2021 was traded to the Mets.
How many starting pitchers do you want to trade for?
A. J. Preller: Yes
Lamet seems to be a concern to being talked about…Glad to see them bringing in a boy from El Cajon who always has a grip of local fans in SD when he pitched!
The Padres have impressed me very much this off-season, but unless they are giving up a bunch of lesser prospects, I don’t get this trade. Musgrove has always produced nice FIP numbers, but had a sub 4.00-ERA only during last year’s shortened campaign. He is also under control for only two years and rather unlikely to yield a compensation pick afterwards. While it is a solid acquisition to an already loaded pitching staff, the prospect cost better be moderate.
Gruß,
BSHH
Don’t worry about a pirates pitchers era. There defense is so bad your pretty much have to watch their pitchers or use individual measurements.
All this is telling me is that Gore, Morejon, and Weathers aren’t ready yet
Morejon looked pretty ready but agree on Gore and Weathers
i mean, why rush them if you don’t need to?
Well the thing is that they will be blocked up next year too because Clevinger will return from Tommy John
then you turn and trade away one of the vets.
Do ya?
Injuries likely will happen. Better to have rookies to fill in as 5th starters then depend on them from the get go to be starters.
It’s very feminine the way you guys start sentences with “I mean…’ I’ve only ever heard young girls say that.
Though a six man rotation might make sense because of Snell, Lamet, and Paddack’s history of short starts
I think Snell was more a factor of TB’s pen.
Neither Paddack nor Lamet have a history of short starts. Paddack 5.24 IP per start. Lamet 5.5 IP per start. Both above league average. Snell on the other hand has thrown just 4.62 IP per start the past 2 seasons.
A 6 man rotation is possible because all pitchers are coming off short seasons and no team is going to want to extend them to more than double their 2020 IP.
That’s one of the big advantages for a prospect of playing in an organization with an already strong pitching staff. If Gore and Weathers had been playing in the Pirates’ farm system, they’d probably have already been rushed to the majors, with potentially disastrous results.
Check out the vast potential and subsequent disappointing major league career of David Clyde. Clyde was supposed to be the next Sandy Koufax but wound up with a career ending injury at age 26 because he was rushed to the majors.
Verlander and Felix were brought up to non-contenders very young. One example doesn’t make a case. Nor does my two. No set blueprint exists, what works for some, does harm for others!
preller going after all these starters is something he should have done 2 years ago. the rotation is nice now but the bullpen is suspect still and the bench is practically non existent. each of those areas will need to be addressed if this team wants to be perennial playoff contenders
He literally added Kim and Caratini to the bench already, bullpen doesnt really look bad either
kim might be a starter depending on pham and the DH. caratini will only play when he catches for darvish so that doesn’t really help. aside from o’grady, mateo and maybe ona available, that’s a terrible bench if you’re looking to match depth with LA
I know depth is nice, but you only get 9 players on the field. Upgrading at positions that will actually contribute is much more important.
Padres added Kim, O’Grady, Caratini, and still have Mateo, Ona, and Campusano.as additional bench depth.
Caratini played in 44 games in 2020 and 95 games in 2019. He is obviously more than Darvish’s caddy.
Preller has said the team is still open to resigning Profar and have been mentioned as in on other FA position players as well.
Fangraphs just ranked the padres pen as 3rd best in baseball.
Let’s also add, now they have the luxury of not rushing Gore and could give the Padres a big push in the bullpen late season kind of how the Rays used Davis Price.
Nooooo, no Gore out of the pen!
stammen still exists in this organization so that estimate is meaningless
Great to see a team trying to win. Most teams are worried about profits or the $ spent per win or clutching unproven prospects. What’s worse, fans have accepted this lie.
Another postseason misfit like Zach Davies
the guy hasnt gotten one start in the postseason
Preller make it rain!!!!
Five for one
Trade that needed to be done. Glad they got a lot of prospects, and I’m curious to see who they got.
Ya but the Red Sox are going to sign Matt Moore!!!
So THERE!!!!!
Another soft toss guy for Dodgers to use as batting practice
What- they gonna run an 8 man rotation or something? Good depth move
5 guys including Lucchesi and Head!? Hahahah bleed that farm Preller
Bleed the farm system of guys who are blocked at the Major League level, I’ll take these kind of deals any day of the week and twice on Mondays apparently.
His minor league affiliates may set records for losses across the board!
Head is only 18 years old. Preller will go out and sign an international prospect or two to replace him.
Would you consider lucchesi a farm hand? He was demoted for not performing after being in the show for 3 years.
Not even a flesh wound to our farm. Still the most Top 100 prospects in baseball. You must be a dodger fan though. Insecurity rearing it’s head again lol
Dude you got a #4/#5 for a #4/5 and FOUR additional prospects
Head is a big loss alone. Keep drinking the cool aid and pretend you’re not giving up talent in these deals. But know that Preller has overpaid in every trade he’s made in the last 2 years, probably longer
While the Padres’ farm system didn’t take a huge hit, they did have to give up a few notable pieces. And Musgrove is far from a #4/#5 caliber starter. He’s easily a high-end #3 if he gets even an average defense behind him.
Geez. I’m still waiting for an intelligent comment from you. Literally have a troll name. Do you even have any intelligent input or are you just here to be an ass? Cause I have to say I’m glad you aren’t a Padre fan. That could get embarrassing. So who is your team genius?
I couldn’t care less if I please you
Musgrove is a 4 on good teams. You act like you just got Castillo from the reds
Luchessi was a solid #4 in 18+19. You’re writing him with less than 6 innings in 2020!
You gave up 4 additional guys, including 1 very highly ranked guy. It’s no guarantee Musgrove is better than Lichessi in 2021. For the hope one 4 era is lower than the other 4 era. Enjoy
Luchessi got sent back down to the minors for most of last year. And could BARELY hang in to a 4 era the year before. Clearly you don’t watch the pitchers but just look at stat sheets. Musgrove, on the other hand, has had a couple years to figure things out and comes in with a much bigger pitch mix. Neither will be an ace but you are delusional to think that luchessi is close to Musgrove at this point. Try to watch baseball instead of stat sheets.
not a big Head fan, but seems like a solid get. This is shaping up to be a nice trade for both sides.
Oh stop, you love head and we all know it!
shhhhh dont tell anyone
OK White Sox, your move. This offseason seems like a virtual chess match between the two most exciting young teams in MLB. Fortunately they play in different leagues and may not have to face each other until the World Series which is becoming more realistic with each acquisition.
Just as long as the White Sox don’t trade directly again with the Pads. Didn’t work out too well last time…
Ouch! The White Sox do owe the Padres a beating in the World Series for that one!
To add insult to injury, San Diego also beat out the White Sox and Braves for Mike Clevenger at last season’s August 31st trade deadline. A healthy Clevenger might have resulted in a different outcome when the White Sox lost a tough 3-game ALWC series to the A’s but he injured himself shortly after the deal and wound up having TJ surgery in November.
The White Sox had a bit more success in trading with the Padres back in 2009 when Kenny Williams was finally able to pry Jake Peavy away at the July 31st trade deadline. Peavy had a no-trade clause and refused a similar deal to the White Sox two months earlier before having a change of heart when he was on the disabled list. Peavy pitched decently for the ChiSox when he returned from the DL later in August but it never resulted in a postseason appearance for a team that was ‘mired in mediocrity’ between their thrilling 2008 ‘Blackout Game’ versus the Twins and their next playoff season which was last year’s abbreviated one. The Padres were even more ‘mediocre’ than the White Sox with a postseason drought that lasted from 2006 until this past season. All this figures to change dramatically in the next few years at least!
Padres are amazing. AJ Preller is the best GM.
I think he overthought this one and gave up too much.
i dunno. Head is the only real prospect of note here. otherwise its fringe 40 guys and lottery picks.
“Dunno” is definitely not a word.
Not me. Not huge prospects in the grand scope. And I like Musgrove. Whether back end rotation or long arm…I think he’s gonna be a great piece for the Padres moving forward.
LOL… last year at this time everybody wanted a piece of his hide. It’s like Tommy Lasorda used to say, if you listen to the fans too much it won’t be long before you’re right up there in the stands with them.
It will be fun when they don’t win and in 2 years they are trading all these guys away cause they claim they can’t afford them
Joey Lucchesi, Hudson Head (#7), Omar Cruz (#17), David Bednar (#20), Drake Fellows (no professional games, age 22).
If that’s it then great trade
Great trade indeed. Only one guy from the back of the top 10 and other guys who are now blocked. What an off season for Preller & Co.!
Lucchesi had no spot on the team anymore. Bednar was a dfa candidate. Now room on the 40 for another player. Padres will make another move.
@Simodine- You nailed it. Upgraded a starter in the meantime. Profar soon?
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As a Padre fan, Musgrove rounding out the rotation is great. It will be interest who else, if in fact Head is in the deal, is going to Pittsburgh. With the Padres recently reported interest in Tanaka, I wonder if this is a, “we can have Tanaka for $15M or Musgrove and Rosenthal for the same price”, kind of thing?
The Padres still need a back end of the bullpen kind of arm and if they can now get Rosenthal inked because of Musgrove’s relatively low salary, this is a fantastic move!
Lucchesi is a good pickup for PIT. maybe not a superstar but they give him a shot to start and perhaps it works out well.
I read that Luchessi went to the Mets.
They should use their starting pitching prospects to try and blow away the Brewers to get Yelich. There’s not going to be many holes for them to fill in the rotation for a while.
Or try and get Ramirez from Cleveland.
Haha, that would make for a fun season. Yelich and Machado hate each other.
Absolutely incredible what san Diego has done without giving up gore