adell lol. I’m not a person to rush to bust, but man when you’re defense is that pitiful … it’s hard to imagine a star here. but hey, exit velocity am I right?? lol
The WAR chart shows a 2-3 WAR is average player. And Nick averaged 2 WAR per season for 15 seasons. This started when someone cited Nick’s hit total and 34 WAR as making him great. I said he was solid player not great and 34 WAR didn’t do his career justice. I like Nick, good hitter. I don’t want no trouble. I posted below some stuff on WAR in response to KCJ after he yelled at me. I don’t appreciate WAR but I won’t laugh at it no more. I got to go. it’s Sunday spaghetti and meatball dinner time. Also Guillorme had a 22 pitch atbat against Hicks a short time ago, classic.
gbs42- WAR is pretend stat. Lets pretend what really took place didn’t. Let’s adjust and infer and estimate and come up with a guess of what might have happened but didn’t. That is WAR.
Counting stats, Averages, Percentages are what really took place.
PeteWard8 –
You really have a hard on for berating the legitimacy of WAR, don’t you? It seems you feel the need to mention it in every single thread you comment on. It’s amazing that you haven’t noticed how most MLB front offices and experts DO NOT agree with your thought, but go ahead and stay up on that rooftop. I’m sure somebody out there is impressed.
KCJ- Bill James- ” WAR is dead wrong because the creators of that statistic have severed the connection between performance and wins, thus undermining their analysis. WAR does not properly take into account performances in critical situations, such as the late innings of close games”. Defensive shifts affect WAR negatively. Park Adjustment is questionable because it doesn’t take into account a team with good pitching staffs. WAR is guesses, estimates, adjustments and not a good portrayal of what actually happened. I can go and on.
The lists are cool to look at, it kills some time. But WAR is pretend.
Idk, I think there’s a fair amount of concern with Lance Lynn. Pretty ERA, but an xFIP and SIERA above 4, saw his whiff rate take a huge step down and saw an increase in hard hit rate, exit velo and decrease in ground ball rate which led to a 1.4 HR/9. Keuchel put up his best numbers since his 2015 Cy Young campaign, but had a .255 BABIP compared to his career .292 mark. Jose Abreu will still be productive, but will he replicate his 2020 numbers? Probably not. Not every team is at the same risk of regression.
However that doesn’t mean they’ll be bad. Let’s remember all the young and upcoming players that could metigate any regression. Tim Anderson, Nick Madrigal and Yoan Moncada make a very exciting infield. Eloy Jimenez and Luis Robert are also very exciting young outfielders. They’ll get a full season of Dylan Cease. They’ll have an extremely strong pen with the likes of Kopech, Hendriks, Heuer, Aaron Bummer returning and Foster.
Could we stop perpetuating the nonsense that the penalties for exceeding the CBT levels are “pretty minor”? For a first time offense going over by a few million, yes. For habitually exceeding the levels above the first one, a team pays in draft slot placement, increased draft slot forfeitures for signing free agents, reduced funds for international spending, increased payments going into resource sharing with “poor” clubs, and accelerating rates of financial penalty tied to the amount of the overage. I look forward to a new slate of lesser penalties associated with much higher CBT levels in the next agreement between MLB and MLBPA–if indeed that structure is retained at all.
The comment made in the chat is standard for MLBTR – as this is how they all think.
Owners have countless amounts of money, and they’ll use any excuse not to spend it because even though they’re up against a soft cap, they won’t go over it by a few million measly dollars when it can mean a WS and all the revenue that comes with it (as if 10 teams go over the cap one year so all will go to the WS that year – LOL).
This is understandable when it’s not your money and you haven’t been stuck with bad contracts that hampered your teams for years after they were signed (when that happens it’s the owners fault for giving them the money). Not to mention handling fan complaints as to why you gave player X so much money and a year later you had to let player Y go because player X is not producing and you can’t move him. It isn’t so much that you hear this from the fans at home, it’s the season ticket holders and business buyers that are asking them why they should renew at a higher rate when the team is struck with contract commitments from players that continue to get worse, so the team doesn’t improve.
You have to understand that the mentality here is that of a rotisserie league player. Each year you have X amount of chips to spend, and you need to spend it all to try to win. If not, you’re being “cheap” and you “aren’t trying to win”.
In a chat a few years ago one writer explained that he couldn’t understand why players weren’t simply paid by their statistics. That’s the mentality. As a fan I want my teams owner to demand his front office develop and pay players based on their ability to help my team win. I don’t attend or watch a game on a media device to see how the players on my team can accumulate statistics – I watch to see if my team can win the game. And therein lives the disconnect here and why readers turn over so frequently.
P.S. The Reds recently bought into going all in to win when they didn’t have a foundations of young, inexpensive players. Today that organization is in tatters.
The writer also said that every pitcher and batter should try to produce the same at every at bat In other words, no matter the game situation each pitcher should throw his hardest to strike out the hitter, and each batter should swing his hardest and hit the ball hard somewhere.
Of course this is ridiculous to anyone that played baseball at any level.
It’s why the other day I made the mistake of getting into an argument with a reader that looked at the power stats of a player from a small market team that played small ball and used him as a lead-off hitter; compared to guy that plays the same position on a large market team (with more then 3 times the payroll) that believes in uppercutting and playing for 3 HR’s, and that guy bats in the 3-4-5 positions so that often there are runners on base when he steps in to bat. In his mind the lead-off hitter playing small ball was overrated because he had lower power stats.
The “dramady” (he is, after all, here to destroy humanity) is reminiscent of the best of “St Elsewhere”, “MASH” and “Big Bang”. And EVERYBODY I suggest it too becomes addicted.
Last night around 9:30 pm I asked a question utilizing MLBTR Chat Transcript regarding many pitchers going down injured with the next step Tommy John surgery. I didn’t think this would be not posted. I only asked is it the lack of training? Pitchers throwing 95 mph+?
A huge majority of the submitted questions do not get posted….it’s a time issue, not necessarily a reflection of the legitimacy of your question. I’m not sure if you’re question is referring to this year specifically or a trend over the last few years in baseball, but I would bet that this year has a lot to do with the stop/start and following shortened season that pitchers had to deal with last year. If you are referring to the trending increase in these types of injuries, I think you’re definitely on the right path with the increased velocity they are throwing with. The muscles and joints in the arm can only take so much strain, and the pitching motion in itself is not healthy for the body to begin with. I wonder if any kind of study has been done on the amount of Tommy John surgeries by average velocity range?
adell lol. I’m not a person to rush to bust, but man when you’re defense is that pitiful … it’s hard to imagine a star here. but hey, exit velocity am I right?? lol
He’s 21, calm down. Players have improved their defense in time. The ceiling on his offense is worth any growing pains he might have defensively.
WAR will give us a better picture of his accomplishments. Hahaha
WDS, WAR Derangement Syndrome.
You are still mad because I said Markakas was a solid player and not great. Don’t worry it, these things take time to get over.
Mad? Hardly. I just thought you were being close-minded about whether WAR was a useful tool. You do seem to be a little snarky, though.
BTW, I agree with you that Markakis was a solid player who had a great career.
bhambrave- Nick was a solid player and had a solid career. Nothing great about it. Solid it is. Well the money he made was great. I will go that far.
126th out of 19,701 MLB players in hits, and 54th in doubles. Was a starter all 15 years he played. That’s a great career.
According to WAR he had an average career.
Why do you say that? Where did you see that 34 WAR is an average career?
The WAR chart shows a 2-3 WAR is average player. And Nick averaged 2 WAR per season for 15 seasons. This started when someone cited Nick’s hit total and 34 WAR as making him great. I said he was solid player not great and 34 WAR didn’t do his career justice. I like Nick, good hitter. I don’t want no trouble. I posted below some stuff on WAR in response to KCJ after he yelled at me. I don’t appreciate WAR but I won’t laugh at it no more. I got to go. it’s Sunday spaghetti and meatball dinner time. Also Guillorme had a 22 pitch atbat against Hicks a short time ago, classic.
“WAR is a made up stat.”
– Every other stat, which at some time someone made up.
gbs42- WAR is pretend stat. Lets pretend what really took place didn’t. Let’s adjust and infer and estimate and come up with a guess of what might have happened but didn’t. That is WAR.
Counting stats, Averages, Percentages are what really took place.
What? I don’t think you understand WAR if that’s your understanding of it.
It’s possible I don’t understand WAR. Explain it to me if you want.
PeteWard8 –
You really have a hard on for berating the legitimacy of WAR, don’t you? It seems you feel the need to mention it in every single thread you comment on. It’s amazing that you haven’t noticed how most MLB front offices and experts DO NOT agree with your thought, but go ahead and stay up on that rooftop. I’m sure somebody out there is impressed.
KCJ- Bill James- ” WAR is dead wrong because the creators of that statistic have severed the connection between performance and wins, thus undermining their analysis. WAR does not properly take into account performances in critical situations, such as the late innings of close games”. Defensive shifts affect WAR negatively. Park Adjustment is questionable because it doesn’t take into account a team with good pitching staffs. WAR is guesses, estimates, adjustments and not a good portrayal of what actually happened. I can go and on.
The lists are cool to look at, it kills some time. But WAR is pretend.
“You’re not off-base with that concern. The ChiSox are also counting on no regression from almost any of their veterans, which could be a risk”.
This is literally true of EVERY team in baseball. But please, continue on with your nonsensical bias against the Chicago White Sox. We fans love it!
Not the Padres, Mets and Dodgers.
Off the top of my head.
Idk, I think there’s a fair amount of concern with Lance Lynn. Pretty ERA, but an xFIP and SIERA above 4, saw his whiff rate take a huge step down and saw an increase in hard hit rate, exit velo and decrease in ground ball rate which led to a 1.4 HR/9. Keuchel put up his best numbers since his 2015 Cy Young campaign, but had a .255 BABIP compared to his career .292 mark. Jose Abreu will still be productive, but will he replicate his 2020 numbers? Probably not. Not every team is at the same risk of regression.
However that doesn’t mean they’ll be bad. Let’s remember all the young and upcoming players that could metigate any regression. Tim Anderson, Nick Madrigal and Yoan Moncada make a very exciting infield. Eloy Jimenez and Luis Robert are also very exciting young outfielders. They’ll get a full season of Dylan Cease. They’ll have an extremely strong pen with the likes of Kopech, Hendriks, Heuer, Aaron Bummer returning and Foster.
All 6 of you
Did you count President Obama and Mayor Lightfoot among those “6”?
The Sox only have six fans, but nearly one million people turned out for the victory parade in ‘05. Funny how that happens, huh?
Breaking bad, Sopranos and Impractical Jokers and it’s not even close.
Adam-12, Hawaii 5-0 and Perry Mason.
Any Star Trek, little House on the Prairie and Cheers.
Forgot about Star Trek.
These chats are always awesome.
I think Seager will resign before the offseason, if Lindor signs first.
That would give Boras and Friedman more of a benchmark to base Seager’s contract on.
Why do you think Seager will hang up his cleats?
Hogans Heroes, Two and a Half Men, M*A*S*H.
I had a childhood friend whose dad was a POW in WWII His father would blow his stack if he caught his son watching Hogan’s Heroes.
Mother Brown’s Boys, Red Dwarf, The Great
Could we stop perpetuating the nonsense that the penalties for exceeding the CBT levels are “pretty minor”? For a first time offense going over by a few million, yes. For habitually exceeding the levels above the first one, a team pays in draft slot placement, increased draft slot forfeitures for signing free agents, reduced funds for international spending, increased payments going into resource sharing with “poor” clubs, and accelerating rates of financial penalty tied to the amount of the overage. I look forward to a new slate of lesser penalties associated with much higher CBT levels in the next agreement between MLB and MLBPA–if indeed that structure is retained at all.
The comment made in the chat is standard for MLBTR – as this is how they all think.
Owners have countless amounts of money, and they’ll use any excuse not to spend it because even though they’re up against a soft cap, they won’t go over it by a few million measly dollars when it can mean a WS and all the revenue that comes with it (as if 10 teams go over the cap one year so all will go to the WS that year – LOL).
This is understandable when it’s not your money and you haven’t been stuck with bad contracts that hampered your teams for years after they were signed (when that happens it’s the owners fault for giving them the money). Not to mention handling fan complaints as to why you gave player X so much money and a year later you had to let player Y go because player X is not producing and you can’t move him. It isn’t so much that you hear this from the fans at home, it’s the season ticket holders and business buyers that are asking them why they should renew at a higher rate when the team is struck with contract commitments from players that continue to get worse, so the team doesn’t improve.
You have to understand that the mentality here is that of a rotisserie league player. Each year you have X amount of chips to spend, and you need to spend it all to try to win. If not, you’re being “cheap” and you “aren’t trying to win”.
In a chat a few years ago one writer explained that he couldn’t understand why players weren’t simply paid by their statistics. That’s the mentality. As a fan I want my teams owner to demand his front office develop and pay players based on their ability to help my team win. I don’t attend or watch a game on a media device to see how the players on my team can accumulate statistics – I watch to see if my team can win the game. And therein lives the disconnect here and why readers turn over so frequently.
P.S. The Reds recently bought into going all in to win when they didn’t have a foundations of young, inexpensive players. Today that organization is in tatters.
The writer also said that every pitcher and batter should try to produce the same at every at bat In other words, no matter the game situation each pitcher should throw his hardest to strike out the hitter, and each batter should swing his hardest and hit the ball hard somewhere.
Of course this is ridiculous to anyone that played baseball at any level.
It’s why the other day I made the mistake of getting into an argument with a reader that looked at the power stats of a player from a small market team that played small ball and used him as a lead-off hitter; compared to guy that plays the same position on a large market team (with more then 3 times the payroll) that believes in uppercutting and playing for 3 HR’s, and that guy bats in the 3-4-5 positions so that often there are runners on base when he steps in to bat. In his mind the lead-off hitter playing small ball was overrated because he had lower power stats.
Eh.
Nope, MLBTR has a clear narrative they all stick to. Hivemind mentality
New Sci-Fi series “Resident Alien” could be one of the top 3, with only 6 episodes in the can. “Northern Exposure” meets “ET” meets “Fargo” .
Best new show I’ve seen in years…in years….
Could not agree more on Resident Alien. Literally, laugh out loud every episode. Brilliant!
I haven’t seen or heard of that one…thanks for the heads up. I’ll be sure to check that out!
The “dramady” (he is, after all, here to destroy humanity) is reminiscent of the best of “St Elsewhere”, “MASH” and “Big Bang”. And EVERYBODY I suggest it too becomes addicted.
Putting Big Bang Theory in the same company as MASH is certainly a take.
Last night around 9:30 pm I asked a question utilizing MLBTR Chat Transcript regarding many pitchers going down injured with the next step Tommy John surgery. I didn’t think this would be not posted. I only asked is it the lack of training? Pitchers throwing 95 mph+?
A huge majority of the submitted questions do not get posted….it’s a time issue, not necessarily a reflection of the legitimacy of your question. I’m not sure if you’re question is referring to this year specifically or a trend over the last few years in baseball, but I would bet that this year has a lot to do with the stop/start and following shortened season that pitchers had to deal with last year. If you are referring to the trending increase in these types of injuries, I think you’re definitely on the right path with the increased velocity they are throwing with. The muscles and joints in the arm can only take so much strain, and the pitching motion in itself is not healthy for the body to begin with. I wonder if any kind of study has been done on the amount of Tommy John surgeries by average velocity range?
Thank you