“Why is in-game workload determined by pitch-count, but season-long workload determined by innings pitched? Over the course of a season is a 90-pitch, 4-inning start really half as taxing as a 90-pitch, 8-inning start?”
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Great question!
Shouldn’t there be a 2nd group of all pitching stats that take into account the number of innings a pitcher completed vs. the number of pitches he threw? Call it ‘Pitchers Efficiency’ or something.
Lots could be found. How does that Pitcher compare to league average? How does he compare to others on his team? How does a team pitching staff compare to others?
I have to wonder if there are already internal stats on this that teams are keeping. If not, they should be, Not terribly difficult to program.
It’s well known teams count total pitches for a season for individual pitchers. For example when in 2016 when people used to say Girardi was overworking Dellin Betances he would say look at his total pitches year to year and see how they compare.
angels handled the pujols situation wrong? give me a break, have some dignity and walk away 5 years ago when you were(still are) an anchor to the team. dont blame him tho for sticking around for that money tho
It doesn’t seem to be the money. Before the season started, his wife said that this will probably be his last year. He was very quick to correct her.
It looks like he was eyeing playing on after this year.
He was supposed to start Wednesday and when he didn’t, got angry at Madden and the GM was called to talk to him and Albert lit him up too.
Wednesday night, even the announcers voiced surprise that he wasn’t playing because Albert had great past success against the pitcher scheduled.
So both sides were pissed, the Angels said by and that made for a bit of a mess.
I once ran a department for a billionaire’s company.
Although listed on the NYSE, he ignored all legal requirements I and others made him aware of. After a short time I resigned figuring I could wind up in jail or go broke defending myself. A few years later the SEC came down on him yet he still refused to listen to anyone. They had to delist his stock from the NYSE, remove him from his position, and put the existing CFO in charge of the company. Within a year it was out of business.
People with money and power are often difficult to deal with if they don’t want to do something. Look how professional sports GM’s, managers, and coaches have to suck up to players today……even the average ones. Albert was a guy that was out of control in doing what he wanted. There are others around as well. My guess is that the Yankees have a similar situation with Sanchez.
i don’t know what the angels brass gained by cutting pujols but being the last place team may beat out the rangers for the 4th in a.l. west. but will any real talents consider joining the angels? or trout may even contemplate asking for a trade? it looks so bad for the team!
Q: Are you surprised teams aren’t being more creative and aggressive in trying to exploit shifts? Is this too far outside the bounds for a homogeneous league?
A: Mark P
I’m not the first to say this, but it’s hard to hit the other way. It’s also hard for a player who has honed his swing to have a high launch angle, maximize hard contact, etc. to suddenly alter course mid-season to focus on contact of any kind at the expense of power.
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Yes, that’s the common cop out that’s been going around.
However, Girardi and Dillion have had multiple Phillies batters do that successfully. Even opposing team broadcasters have been commenting on it. (Many Royals players as well this year.)
It’s not like the shifts just started in 2021. I heard an ex=player that broadcasts for the Marlins note a week or so ago that 10=12 years ago (when he was playing) the average ML BA was .255. A few years ago it was .248. At the time he made the statement it was .232. He was commenting that putting the ball in play makes thing happen for the hitting team, yet it isn’t happening.
It’s truly sick that most pull hitters continue to try to power the ball over a shift. Especially when the ball has been deadened this year. The quality managers and coaches in all sports that win are quick to have their players adjust their games when the rules change – and a deadened ball is analogues to a rule change. As for the uppercutting swings – most of the time those players can’t catch up to high hard pitches. Lots of K’s happen.
This is an example of copy cat FO’s that all preach the same gospel because it worked for a talented, winning team, and is the past 3-4 years fad . Don’t put this all on the players. The way MLB is played today, line-up’s and playing time is determined by the FO people as well as the manager. If they wanted players to hit line drives and grounders to wide open spaces, the players would adapt.
Yea, because it’s so easy for major league hitters to string 3 hits together against 100+ FB, a 80 MPH, 3000 RPM breaking ball, a fantastic slider and a cutter to boot. So easy, right! You notice how guys like Kershaw, Bauer, Cole and many others only give up balls from HR+BB? Stop blaming the hitters only, the pitchers are very very good as well
Teams chase to long ball because it’s really hard to string traditional rallies against today’s Mlb pitcher. THEY ARE ADAPTING TO THE GAME. You’re just too stubborn to acknowledge it
Then let’s never see a manager call for a hit and run.
Defensive team leaves nearly an entire side open and pitchers work the hitter away, hitters should not be rolling over and pulling that ball. Shift is on, batter’s approach should be looking away, fastball, deep in the zone. There are hitters who won’t change their approach. That’s fine. Hitters ought to “adapt” to the defense the team presents in a game.
Then let’s never see a manager call for a hit and run.
Defensive team leaves nearly an entire side open and pitchers work the hitter away, hitters should not be rolling over and pulling that ball. Shift is on, batter’s approach should be looking away, fastball, deep in the zone. There are hitters who won’t change their approach. That’s fine. Hitters ought to “adapt” to the defense the team presents in a game.
Then let’s never see a manager call for a hit and run.
Defensive team leaves nearly an entire side open and pitchers work the hitter away, hitters should not be rolling over and pulling that ball. Shift is on, batter’s approach should be looking away, fastball, deep in the zone. There are hitters who won’t change their approach. That’s fine. Hitters ought to “adapt” to the defense the team presents in a game.
You think “Stringing hits together” is impossible? I see it all the time.
Do you watch any games?
The object of most teams is to get the pitcher tired and/or out of the game by running up his pitch count. You think you di that by hitting a HR? You do it be stringing hits together. A Pitcher can recover from a HR – it goes over the fence, that’s it. Not so easy to recover from 3-4 hits and a walk or two thrown in. He has to stand on the mound for 10-15 minutes and deal with it.
You need to adapt to the game. You’re just too stubborn to acknowledge it
Have to admit you kids got me. Have become so twisted here with the nonsensical theories and misleading statistics that I lost my place.
Have you ever PLAYED the game? Batted against hard throwing pitchers?
Do you know that it’s a lot harder to pull a ball in the air “against 100+ FB, a 80 MPH, 3000 RPM breaking ball, a fantastic slider and a cutter to boot” then it is to cut down on your swing a bit, concentrate on making solid contact, and hit to the opposite field?
I disagree on Pujols. Someone out of contention will see his power already this year (5 bombs in 1/7 the year) and hope he can chase 700 this year or next
Some owner of a bad team will chase the PR dollars imo
Lmfao!
“Why is in-game workload determined by pitch-count, but season-long workload determined by innings pitched? Over the course of a season is a 90-pitch, 4-inning start really half as taxing as a 90-pitch, 8-inning start?”
–
Great question!
Shouldn’t there be a 2nd group of all pitching stats that take into account the number of innings a pitcher completed vs. the number of pitches he threw? Call it ‘Pitchers Efficiency’ or something.
Lots could be found. How does that Pitcher compare to league average? How does he compare to others on his team? How does a team pitching staff compare to others?
I have to wonder if there are already internal stats on this that teams are keeping. If not, they should be, Not terribly difficult to program.
It’s well known teams count total pitches for a season for individual pitchers. For example when in 2016 when people used to say Girardi was overworking Dellin Betances he would say look at his total pitches year to year and see how they compare.
Mets back in first!
Great!
Are they over .500?
3 games over….
It’s early. Enjoy it while you can.
I’ll enjoy it the whole year lol. I hope you guys get in as the WC team. Good luck in that race!
Like I said, it’s early.
angels handled the pujols situation wrong? give me a break, have some dignity and walk away 5 years ago when you were(still are) an anchor to the team. dont blame him tho for sticking around for that money tho
It doesn’t seem to be the money. Before the season started, his wife said that this will probably be his last year. He was very quick to correct her.
It looks like he was eyeing playing on after this year.
He was supposed to start Wednesday and when he didn’t, got angry at Madden and the GM was called to talk to him and Albert lit him up too.
Wednesday night, even the announcers voiced surprise that he wasn’t playing because Albert had great past success against the pitcher scheduled.
So both sides were pissed, the Angels said by and that made for a bit of a mess.
I once ran a department for a billionaire’s company.
Although listed on the NYSE, he ignored all legal requirements I and others made him aware of. After a short time I resigned figuring I could wind up in jail or go broke defending myself. A few years later the SEC came down on him yet he still refused to listen to anyone. They had to delist his stock from the NYSE, remove him from his position, and put the existing CFO in charge of the company. Within a year it was out of business.
People with money and power are often difficult to deal with if they don’t want to do something. Look how professional sports GM’s, managers, and coaches have to suck up to players today……even the average ones. Albert was a guy that was out of control in doing what he wanted. There are others around as well. My guess is that the Yankees have a similar situation with Sanchez.
George Costanza? Is that you?
L O L
But that does fit with today’s Yankees and Mets.
remember the owners make money off of players’ performances. it’s natural teams accommodate money makers. it’s certainly not 1920’s.
i don’t know what the angels brass gained by cutting pujols but being the last place team may beat out the rangers for the 4th in a.l. west. but will any real talents consider joining the angels? or trout may even contemplate asking for a trade? it looks so bad for the team!
It looks bad for the team to cut an awful player to allow better ones to play?
…the Angels said bye..
Q: Are you surprised teams aren’t being more creative and aggressive in trying to exploit shifts? Is this too far outside the bounds for a homogeneous league?
A: Mark P
I’m not the first to say this, but it’s hard to hit the other way. It’s also hard for a player who has honed his swing to have a high launch angle, maximize hard contact, etc. to suddenly alter course mid-season to focus on contact of any kind at the expense of power.
–
Yes, that’s the common cop out that’s been going around.
However, Girardi and Dillion have had multiple Phillies batters do that successfully. Even opposing team broadcasters have been commenting on it. (Many Royals players as well this year.)
It’s not like the shifts just started in 2021. I heard an ex=player that broadcasts for the Marlins note a week or so ago that 10=12 years ago (when he was playing) the average ML BA was .255. A few years ago it was .248. At the time he made the statement it was .232. He was commenting that putting the ball in play makes thing happen for the hitting team, yet it isn’t happening.
It’s truly sick that most pull hitters continue to try to power the ball over a shift. Especially when the ball has been deadened this year. The quality managers and coaches in all sports that win are quick to have their players adjust their games when the rules change – and a deadened ball is analogues to a rule change. As for the uppercutting swings – most of the time those players can’t catch up to high hard pitches. Lots of K’s happen.
This is an example of copy cat FO’s that all preach the same gospel because it worked for a talented, winning team, and is the past 3-4 years fad . Don’t put this all on the players. The way MLB is played today, line-up’s and playing time is determined by the FO people as well as the manager. If they wanted players to hit line drives and grounders to wide open spaces, the players would adapt.
Yea, because it’s so easy for major league hitters to string 3 hits together against 100+ FB, a 80 MPH, 3000 RPM breaking ball, a fantastic slider and a cutter to boot. So easy, right! You notice how guys like Kershaw, Bauer, Cole and many others only give up balls from HR+BB? Stop blaming the hitters only, the pitchers are very very good as well
Teams chase to long ball because it’s really hard to string traditional rallies against today’s Mlb pitcher. THEY ARE ADAPTING TO THE GAME. You’re just too stubborn to acknowledge it
Then let’s never see a manager call for a hit and run.
Defensive team leaves nearly an entire side open and pitchers work the hitter away, hitters should not be rolling over and pulling that ball. Shift is on, batter’s approach should be looking away, fastball, deep in the zone. There are hitters who won’t change their approach. That’s fine. Hitters ought to “adapt” to the defense the team presents in a game.
Then let’s never see a manager call for a hit and run.
Defensive team leaves nearly an entire side open and pitchers work the hitter away, hitters should not be rolling over and pulling that ball. Shift is on, batter’s approach should be looking away, fastball, deep in the zone. There are hitters who won’t change their approach. That’s fine. Hitters ought to “adapt” to the defense the team presents in a game.
Watch Alex Verdugo. He’s figured out how to beat the shift and it’s beautiful to watch. Good to watch real baseball being played.
Then let’s never see a manager call for a hit and run.
Defensive team leaves nearly an entire side open and pitchers work the hitter away, hitters should not be rolling over and pulling that ball. Shift is on, batter’s approach should be looking away, fastball, deep in the zone. There are hitters who won’t change their approach. That’s fine. Hitters ought to “adapt” to the defense the team presents in a game.
Sorry. Hit refresh and posted triple time.
@ BeforeMcCourt;
You think “Stringing hits together” is impossible? I see it all the time.
Do you watch any games?
The object of most teams is to get the pitcher tired and/or out of the game by running up his pitch count. You think you di that by hitting a HR? You do it be stringing hits together. A Pitcher can recover from a HR – it goes over the fence, that’s it. Not so easy to recover from 3-4 hits and a walk or two thrown in. He has to stand on the mound for 10-15 minutes and deal with it.
You need to adapt to the game. You’re just too stubborn to acknowledge it
@ BeforeMcCourt;
Have to admit you kids got me. Have become so twisted here with the nonsensical theories and misleading statistics that I lost my place.
Have you ever PLAYED the game? Batted against hard throwing pitchers?
Do you know that it’s a lot harder to pull a ball in the air “against 100+ FB, a 80 MPH, 3000 RPM breaking ball, a fantastic slider and a cutter to boot” then it is to cut down on your swing a bit, concentrate on making solid contact, and hit to the opposite field?
This is about it for me.
Tom Wilson
I disagree on Pujols. Someone out of contention will see his power already this year (5 bombs in 1/7 the year) and hope he can chase 700 this year or next
Some owner of a bad team will chase the PR dollars imo
I really like Pujols, but I can’t see him getting to 700 home runs. I doubt he plays again unless it’s a one-day contract to retire as a Cardinal.