10:16PM: The Padres do intend to speak with Shildt “are still investigating exactly why he was let go in St. Louis,” Kevin Acee of The San Diego Union-Tribune tweets. Acee also adds that San Diego isn’t planning to interview Braves third base coach Ron Washington, who was rumored to be on the Padres’ radar last week.
9:59PM: Mike Shildt might not be out of a job for long, as The Athletic’s Dennis Lin and Brittany Ghiroli (Twitter link) report that the Padres are looking to interview Shildt for their managerial vacancy. After being fired by the Cardinals just three days ago, Shildt enters a market thin on dugout openings, as the Mets and Padres are currently the only other big league clubs looking for a new manager.
However, Shildt does fit the mold of what the Padres have reportedly been focusing on, as all of the names linked to the search thus far have been experienced Major League managers. While team chairman Peter Seidler said the Padres wouldn’t necessarily only be looking at former managers, this seems to be the initial direction in what might still be the early days of their search.
Keeping an open mind about candidates is always a good idea since a team never knows what new candidates might suddenly emerge…including Shildt, who seemed as safe as any manager in baseball after leading the Cardinals to a 90-win season. Since taking over from Mike Matheny in July 2018, Shildt posted a 252-199 record in his tenure in St. Louis, taking the Cards to the postseason in each of the last three years. After reaching the NLCS in 2019, the Cardinals haven’t made it beyond the initial playoff round, falling to the Dodgers in the wild card game and losing to (ironically) the Padres in the expanded 2020 postseason’s 2020 wild card series.
Details still aren’t exactly clear on the “philosophical differences” (in the words of St. Louis president of baseball operations John Mozeliak) that led to Shildt’s dismissal, though it isn’t surprising that the Padres would want to speak with a manager with Shildt’s recent track record. Since all of Shildt’s experience in pro baseball has come with the Cardinals, he doesn’t have any past connection with Padres president of baseball ops A.J. Preller, thought that also might not be a prerequisite for any hiring. Considering how Preller’s close friendship with former manager Jayce Tingler may have played a role in San Diego’s reported clubhouse tension over the season’s final weeks, it could benefit the Padres to hire a manager perceived by the players as having some distance from the front office.
There ya go Padres fans. Making some noise in October after all.
I’m surprised they aren’t going after Wash. His style of coaching seems like it would be perfect for Tatis and probably Machado as well. I know the Padres didn’t make the playoffs this season but I would consider this a move up for Schildt. I would much rather manage the Padres. They have better players and seem to have a much better future than the aging Cardinals. The only real positional advantage I see the Cardinals have is Goldschmidt over Hosmer. Outside of that I would take the rest of the Padres over the Cardinals. Plus getting to manage guys like Tatis, Machado, Cronenworth, etc. for the long haul seems like a great opportunity. I’d take that over Goldy, Arenado and the tail end of Waino and Yadi’s careers any day.
O’Neill (26), Bader (27) and Carlson (22) were a combined 13.4 WAR. Can’t really say they have an aging core.
Washington blew 2 world series 10 years ago with horrible decisions in the dugout. He should stay put in Atlanta.
Shildt is a perfect fit for San Diego. Bet it works out like Kapler to San Fransico. He’s still got some things to learn, specifically with the late inning bullpen arms, but solid fundamental manager with experience.
Bochy, Shilt, Washington and more
Amazing how this thread went from mentioning the managers in the article to an argument over religion.
Can we just talk about baseball? Is that asking too much to stay on topic?
Some of these trolls, the last thing they wanna talk about is baseball. Like RemoveWins. What a huge turd.
I made one comment about religion and it was in response to “Steve Garvey’s Son” who brought it up first. I assure you that my issue with Ron Washington has nothing to do with religion and that this is the last time I will even mention it on this thread.
There’s nothing wrong with talking about “religion” or faith-based matters. I have been a HUGE baseball fan for almost 50 years. I’ve been to a jillion MLB, MiLB, and Spring Training games, collected baseball cards when I was younger, etc. At times I used to eat, drink, and breathe, and sleep baseball, but in the end we must face the fact that our relationship with our Creator is infinitely more important than America’s Greatest Pastime.
Kinda hoping Shildt shreds Moze when he speaks to the media, but I’m sure he’ll take the high road.
As a Braves fan, really hope this happens so we can keep Wash. Apart from his heroics at 3rd base tonight, he’s been invaluable in helping with the IF defense development, and I still see him as SD’s best option.
I agree we dont want to lose Wash!!
“Heroics”? The only hero on that send in the 7th inning was the RF who 3-hopped a ball to the catcher from deep 2B.
The Braves’ approach is to make the defender make a good throw. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.
It looks like the San Antonio Scorpions will miss out this time. They better move quickly on their next candidate or their franchise may fold before it even exists.
San Antonio Scorpions? Has a decent ring to it. But I’d rather see an MLB expansion team called the ‘“Missions” in San Antonio, thus promoting the minor league team of many years to MLB. Other teams which have done so are the Angels, Padres and I believe Orioles.
I wouldn’t mind seeing that happen with the Charlotte Knights.
Marlins as well. and, yes, Orioles is one. Babe Ruth started out professionally as an Oriole
If you guys aren’t down with the San Antonio Scorpions then we can go with the Vancouver Sharks.
I look forward to Baltimore finally landing a major league team.
I don’t see this happening after the “philosophical differences” with STL. For better or worse the limited info coming out about that makes it sound like Schildt isn’t a “yes man” and he wants some control over the team he manages.
A lot of the reporting around the Tingler firing basically said that organizationally Preller hires sycophants who will do whatever he says. I think that’s part of the problem generally though with their managerial hiring situation because they need someone experienced, but a guy like Schildt, or Bochy for that matter, isn’t going to want to come in and just do whatever Preller tells them.
That’s how I see it. I don’t think Shildt is a fit in San Diego. Hopefully something better comes along.
Preller hires sycophants who will do whatever he says.
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I’m not familiar enough with field activities of the Padres. Care to give some examples of where Preller is calling all the moves during the game?
I don’t know if it’s so much in game decisions, we know hardly anything about that, but Ken Rosenthal had a really in depth article about the organization’s inner workings in the Athletic titled “Inside the Padres Collapse” that came out a couple weeks ago. There’s quotes in there from team employees that talk about how with Tingler, Preller, “hired someone he feels like he can tell what to do”. and how Tingler really only picked one of his coaches, the bullpen catcher, and the rest was put in place by the front office.
It also basically talks about how Preller has a reputation for micromanaging and that his leadership style involves him having direct authority over instruction. There’s a part where they discuss spring training drills and how the coaches planned a drill for Tatis/Manny and then Preller came and told them to do something different. It also talks about how in their FO they use analytics to confirm things that they already believe and then disregard contrary opinions, so it’s kind of like an echo chamber.
There’s a lot in that article praising Preller’s work ethic and scouting, but the general picture I see people trying to paint of him at this point is as an expert scout who’s a control freak.
Thanks for the input. The ‘echo chamber’ can destroy anything it touches. I’ll tell any boss I ever worked for “I don’t want you to do what I recommend, but I do want you to listen to what I recommend”.
IRT scouting, I agree. But he must recognize by now that he loses virtually every trade.
I think he actually wins a decent amount when they’re acquiring prospects or young unproven players, but now that they’re supposedly “competing” they aren’t really doing those types of deals as frequently anymore.
If you look at like acquiring Chris Paddack for a couple months of Fernando Rodney, or the deals where he got Grisham/Cronenworth, he does a decent job of finding young unproven players. Obviously the Tatis deal was an all time steal.
It’s the times when he tries to acquire proven MLB players, like the Kemp deal, or sending out 6 players for Clevinger, where he usually takes big losses. In other words he’s great at obtaining prospect capital, it’s just once he has it he doesn’t effectively use it.
I consider Tatis and Turner a wash, so I don’t include either. To your last sentence, yeah. And there are other teams like that. Then NYMs never seem to lack for prospects, but seldom turn that into WS threats. Alonso, McNeil, Gimenez, Rosario, Kelenic, Conforto, Nimmo, DeGrom, Syndergaard, Matz, Peterson and Megill, plus $200M, should really have been enough to compete for a WSC instead of a WC spot.
And just like with the Padres, they’d have been better never having made a trade.
Ken Rosenthal is a known Preller hater so take what he says with a grain of salt
Tingler wasn’t the problem and I doubt Schildt will be the answer
Here’s an interesting, ignored stat ……
The San Diego Padres have not had a winning season since 2010.
Uhhhh, huh? Don’t let facts get in the way of whatever point youre trying to make?
Samuel
Here’s an interesting, ignored stat ……
The San Diego Padres have not had a winning season since 2010.
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That’s extremely interesting, especially since they played .617 last season.
The Mets and Padres aren’t the only teams looking for a new manager, the Cardinals are too — may want to fix that.
Believe the writers have information that the Cardinals job is already going to someone currently in the organization. Similar to the Shildt or Rojas hirings. Waiting for the dust to settle before announcing. Kinda makes sense as they obviously want a “yes” man for the job.
They made that decision on Washington after that Rosario send.
Dave Cameron quits as head of Padres analytics department because of philosophical differences with Preller. Cameron was against Hosmer, Profar, Pham, and Snell trades and signings.
Shildt is fired by Cardinals for philosophical differences because he didn’t want to employ analytics more.
Padres to interview Shildt.
Verrrrrrry interesting.
I have nothing to base this off of but I feel if MLB teams would just use analytics on roster related moves and let managers put those players in what they think is their best position to succeed they’d be much better off. There comes a point where the micro-managing is just too much.
We don’t really know how much they micromanage though since what we usually learn about them is just roster related. Dave Cameron is a good example of this because there were reports about his roster preferences, like how he was in favor of the Grisham/Cronenworth trades and how he didn’t like the Hosmer signing. We only are told about the player acquisition side and we don’t really hear anything about their impact on game moves.
The other thing that complicates this is the lines between roster construction and usage blur together. For example the analysts could think a pitcher is undervalued because his pitch mix is off and they see value in him throwing more sliders, so that’s why they decide to sign him. If the coaches/players don’t implement that usage, then the front office’s plan isn’t being executed
There has to be coordination. When you have a hitters meeting, the manager, the hitters and the coaches have to know how often Sale throws a curve v a changeup, and how those pitches have looked the past game or two.
Past that, pretty much the manager should run the team.
“Philosophical differences” – handing Shildt Happ/Lester at the trade deadline.
Says the Bucs fan…. please teach them what moves to make in order to get to playoffs every year.
there were certainly better SP available at the deadline…maybe they made the right move given where they were in the standings at the time, but I think Shildt has the right to be a bit bummed that he had to start the LeBlancs of the world in crunch time this year in part due to deadline inaction.
Exactly. Bucsfan is not wrong here. The front office knew they were firing Schildt several months ago, so there’s no way they were going to give him pieces to actually go out and win. To only acquire Lester and Happ shows that you’re trying to NOT win.
I think Shildt has the right to be a bit bummed
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I don’t think he had the right to be bummed. He was a .500 team at the end of July. My rule is that, if you are battling for 1st, you make a big move. If you are battling for a WC, you make small moves.
At best, StL probably had a 20% chance of a WC spot, making their chances of a WSC maybe 1%.
IMHO, too many teams over-invest in WC battles.
It kinda did help, our offense, particularly our outfield, is very talented and the only position needed is a shortstop, because Sosa sucks (better than DeJong though). We needed pitching depth. Good trade for both sides
shildt had a former association with baltimore
Did you see Wash tonight, amazing at 3rd base. Can’t loose him
he wasn’t managing though
Thank god LAD coddles Jansen. If they leave in Graterol, it’s going to extras.
Roberts is a damn fool. First Urias instead of Bruhili, you have a lefty getter, use him instead of your starter. Then taking out brusdar who was gonna be able to get out of that more likely than not. Then Jansen. Just Jansen.
The Monday morning managers have started. Roberts has had great success as the Dodgers manager.
ROTFLMAO!
What does that even mean? Jansen’s been dominant. Unless I am missing something, Jansen’s been the best pitcher on the LAD for the last month. A 0.00 ERA in the playoffs, with a 9/0 K/W in 4 innings, and a 0.57 ERA since 8/4.
IRT Urias, were you complaining about bring him in v SF in G5, when he single-handedly won the game in relief for the LAD?
Yes, let’s blame Jansen for the loss when he threw one pitch in the game. The defense was in the proper position. He got the ground ball. It was just a hard hit ball that ate up the 2B. That’s baseball. Blaming this on KJ is pretty lazy frankly.
He has also had great success as a screw up.
If Storm Davis is not on the short list they are nuts
Shildt feels like he’d mesh awkwardly with Preller (just a vague and uninformed feeling).
However, him only recently being fired and possibly landing a gig with another ML team is interesting enough for me to sort-of want to see it happen.
Near as I could tell he did a pretty good job in St. Louis and I was honestly pretty surprised they let him go. Unless there’s something I don’t know he’d probably be at the top of most teams that need a new managers’ lists. Might not mesh well with A. J. Preller tho.
Shildt is the wrong guy.
From what I heard, Shildt didn’t like Hitting coach Jeff Albert. That’s what got him fired.
Please add me to the list of people who don’t like Jeff Albert. Thank you.
If I could send Brandon Hyde to the Padres, I would
If I could convince the Brain Scientists in Baltimore to hire Mike Shildt, I would do that too.
San Diego hires x cards Manager they will be sorry he can’t manage a pitching staff.
Buck Showalter. Just the man to right the ship in San Diego. Manny respects him and it would have been Buck, not Torre, who would have won all those titles with the Yankees, had he not been fired for refusing to fire his coaches.
I may be old school in my thinking, but I definitely agree. Buck knows the game as well as anyone. If you give him a team with some talent, I think he’ll steer them in the right direction.
Really dodgers whiners? Were you not watching the game? Jansen GOT the out….error by the second basemen cost you the game. Why are you whining about the pitcher? Wow…..talk about dumb, entitled fans…..
Exactly. It wasn’t Jansen that made Seager Pele the ball into left center.
Naturally. And Prellar was the guy who thought Andy Green was more qualified than Dave Roberts to manage the Padres six years ago and that Jayce Tingler was more qualified than Ron Washington two years ago. Am I seeing a pattern here?
I don’t see a pattern. Maybe some applicants interview better? Ron Washington is still just a coach, so he hasn’t been thought of as the answer by any other team, not just the Padres. The situation in San Diego is different, than LAD. Dave Roberts could have failed in SD. The world will never know!
Buck Showalter would be the best fit
I’m really coming around to that idea. Even though the front office probably wants a “yes man”, they need a strong voice in the clubhouse to act as a counterbalance. An experienced old school guy like Showalter is going to be instantly respected and can get that clubhouse back in order.
I also think to a certain extent they need to lean into what players like Manny want and do what they can to make their core happy. Last time they were looking for a manager Manny asked for Showalter to be considered and if Showalter is checking all of the other boxes, then having your star player actively want that person as the manager just seems like another positive.
Roberts can’t manage a little league team, he’s just got the over and away best team in baseball. And he’s managed 1 World Series in a Mickey Mouse year.
The reality is Schildt was tired of Jeff Albert’s “genius” and a stalled out offense for 2/3rds of the season.
It also sounds like he was pretty chaffed at the idea we didn’t do much at the deadline for a team that clearly needed additions. Now, the “low hanging fruit” ended up panning out. We don’t get in if it’s not for the pitching of Wade LeBlanc, Jon Lester, and Happ. But if the team had done that in spring training — or simply added more depth off waivers THEN — it probably doesn’t come down to to a historic run just to get in.
The reality is if the Cardinals don’t invest wisely this offseason — and I’d think they would, but with Mo, you really never do know.
The Cardinals never pick up anything of substance at the deadline. The havent for years. This isn’t a problem unless they do nothing in the offseason and spring training as well — a well worn pattern a this point.
DeWitt will spend to get to the postseason. He won’t spend to get to the World Series.
Too much swag on the Padres for Shildt to handle.
Seems like a bad fit, personality-wise, for that group of players. Not sure there is a good fit for that collection.