After winning 107 games in 2021, the Giants have taken a big step backwards, with only a 63-68 record this season. Pretty much everything clicked during that dream season, but injuries and under-performance have marred San Francisco’s efforts this year, with the bullpen and much of the lineup being particularly inconsistent.
As a result, some notable changes could be in store for the 2023 club. In an interview on The Front Office on MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM (partial audio clip), Giants president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi said that “everything is on the table for us” this offseason, “including going out and being aggressive at the top end of the free agent market.”
Zaidi has yet to make any true big-ticket signings since taking over the front office in November 2018, preferring shorter-term deals with both free agents or in-house players. This isn’t to say that the Giants have been necessarily adverse to spending in general, considering that the club’s current payroll is around $162.3MM (as per Roster Resource). However, even that total is below the team’s spending levels prior to Zaidi’s tenure, as payroll topped the $200MM mark in 2018 before Zaidi was hired.
Of course, that payroll was inflated by several large contracts given to veteran players and stalwarts of the Giants’ three World Series championships, and by 2018, most of those players were no longer productive. Rather than entirely rebuild, Zaidi took a more measured approach to moving some but not all of those larger deals, and this strategy was a big part of the Giants’ sudden success in 2021. Such underperforming veterans as Brandon Crawford, Brandon Belt, Buster Posey, Evan Longoria, and Johnny Cueto were generally healthier and much more productive on the field, with the revamped coaching staff helping these players find their old form.
Posey retired, while Cueto wasn’t re-signed and instead landed with the White Sox. Crawford was given a contract extension before the 2021 season was even over, and Belt was also retained when he accepted San Francisco’s one-year qualifying offer. As it turned out, it seems like the Giants may have simply waited a year too long with these players, as Crawford and Belt have struggled, and Longoria has hit well when healthy but has also played only 69 games.
“We had a bunch of veteran players when I came in whose contracts were going to be up last offseason and this coming offseason,” Zaidi said, describing this period “as a time of big transition for our organization.” Considering how well the Giants played in 2021, “it made sense for us to not be too aggressive with the transition and retrench a little bit with the guys who had had that successful season for us.”
With things not working out in 2022, Zaidi finally seems ready to turn the page on this version of the Giants roster. Belt, Joc Pederson, and Wilmer Flores are all free agents, while Longoria’s $13MM club option will likely instead be bought out for $5MM (and, Longoria might retire altogether at season’s end). Zaidi said earlier this week that the Giants have already talked to Pederson about an extension, and Flores has still been productive enough that he could be considered for another deal at a relatively low cost.
How many veterans are kept, however, will tie into Zaidi’s plan for a younger roster. As he noted in the Front Office interview, “we find ourselves in a position this offseason where we want to get more athletic. We want to have a roster that has a better chance of staying healthy, which usually means getting a little bit younger.”
This strategy will also impact the Giants’ free agent plans. Health is naturally always a concern for any team in deciding whether or not to sign a free agent, especially since most players are generally in their late 20’s or early 30’s by the time they earn enough service time to reach the open market. Looking at some of the top free agents available this winter, pretty much everyone has some level of injury history, though if youth is more of a factor for San Francisco, players like Carlos Correa (who turns 28 this month) or Trea Turner (who turns 30 in June) could be prioritized. Aaron Judge will be 31 in April, but the Bay Area native has been speculated as a natural target for his old hometown team.
Besides free agents, the Giants could also obviously look to add players in trades, though getting younger and more athletic types will naturally come at a higher cost in terms of trade return. Since the Giants have only around $89MM on the books for 2023, Zaidi could perhaps look to lower the prospect cost by taking on a larger contract, and using the Giants’ financial flexibility in another way than just spending on a free agent.
scottn59c
We want Judge!
Samuel
Would he really go there considering that roster?
SFBay314
We will be used as leverage! He isn’t leaving NYY
guynamedchris
I seem to remember the Rangers, Rockies and Tigers all signing big free agents last year… so, yeah. This idea that the Giants roster is such a horrible dumpster fire that no free agent would ever consider signing there is just dumb.
Samuel
The FA’s the Rangers, Rockies and Tigers signed last year were hardly at the top of their game or in demand by multiple quality teams.
Judge may well break the single season HR record.
No comparison at all.
Jean Matrac
The Rangers signed Corey Seager, and Marcus Semien. I’d say both probably commanded a reasonable amount of demand.
guynamedchris
What? Seager and Semien weren’t at the top of their game? Semien’s game was and probably never will be higher than it was in 2021. Obviously not the level that Judge is on right now, but I really don’t see why the team that offers the most money and years isn’t going to get him, regardless of their current roster.
Samuel
guynamedchris;
You’re comparing Seager and Semien – 2 guys that are below average fielders, with BA’s around .250 and OPS’s under .800 – to a guy that plays a very good RF (good enough to play in CF much of 2023). with a BA around .300 and an OPS over 1.000 and about to break the HR record.
Not to mention comparing Judge this year to Javier Baez and Kris Bryant last year.
LOL
Late last year I read Dodger fans on here saying that Seager was a fine SS and great hitter. This year they’ve been watching Trea Turner and have seen a real star SS and how he can influence a game.
Rsox
Judge would have to hit 21 HR’s in the Yankees last 28 games to break Bonds record. As good as he’s been that’s a mighty tall order even for him
MuleorAstroMule
Semien finished 8th in fWAR among position players in 2021. No free agent finished higher. He had a .872 OPS. Four out of the last five seasons (including 2021) he’s put up above-average defensive numbers.
Seager had a .915 OPS and has posted average to above-average defensive numbers every year for the past five years. He’s only finished one season in his entire career with an OPS under .800.
Lanidrac
* Single season non-PED home run record. The other figures including Bonds’s record of 73 still officially count. Still, just setting the clean mark is also a big accomplishment if he can pull it off.
Lanidrac
Seager and Semien were coming off of seasons where they both had an OPS over .870 when they signed their deals last offseason. Their numbers this year are irrelevant.
Rsox
I can see Judge passing Maris as he only needs 9 to do so. I wouldn’t cling to much to the “clean” part til all is said and done and Judge hangs up his spikes
BondsAway
90% of GMs would take Saeger over Trey Turner. Not to take anything away from TT, but Seager is younger, hits for more power, & is left handed. Sure TT may be having a better year this year (even though Seager has 10 more hr’s than TT), but in the big picture GMs would kill for a guy like Seager.
Cap & Crunch
There was an adjustment period with Friedman (and Z) as well when first getting to LA with the books- Remember Friedmans first moves were Brandon McCarthy and Scott Kazmir trying to find that hidden Tampa Bay value
Sometimes it takes a minute to really get comfortable in a new tax bracket and what that entails (spending/risk /expectations ect)
Have full confidence Z will elevate to the scene and spend wisely- He’s not going Yolo on the 2023 market but they will start adding nice building blocks here soon
fred-3
Farhan has been there since after the 2018 season. He’s already had 4 off-seasons.
Cap & Crunch
He came in with huge payrolls with a ton of players at the twilight of their careers . There wasn’t much room to spend but you already knew that
They could have spent last offseason bigger, but I don’t think it would have mattered so probably wise they didn’t. This offseason the books clean up a ton, let’s see what happens
This isn’t even Sf’s window and they have competed admirably. You just don’t go throwing around big bucks bc you can. Z has done great so far in his short tenure
fred-3
Window? Have you seen their draft picks under Farhan? Most have been bust. The DBacks might pass them considering Arizona has a top 3 farm and no money guaranteed besides Marte and Bungarner
case
Indeed, back when I worked in marketing I failed to make the marketing playoffs and was summarily dismissed, just like any other industry.
guynamedchris
Most of Farhan’s draft picks have been busts? You think players drafted just a few years ago not making it the majors yet constitutes a bust?
fred-3
I highly doubt Hunter Bishop will even make the big leagues at this point
guynamedchris
OK, and yet there’s Grant McCray, drafted the same year, 3 years younger and having an outstanding season. Kyle Harrison is one of the highest ranked prospects in all of baseball. Nobody nails every pick. But, obviously, these guys need time to develop and have a legit shot before you can call them all busts.
tgwynnsd19
TonyGwynnSD19…..LOL
brat922
Giants knew going in it would take all of Zaidi’s contract to right the ship. He didn’t promise a miracle to them early on. This next off season should be a go-for-it. They were in on Bryce , and it was between Giants and Phillies. He explained it all this week in an interview while in SF.
BondsAway
Why is Padre fan talking? Hey San Diego, win a World Series once in a while, then you can talk. Is there is bigger bust team than the Padres? Every year they bring in all these studs & every year they win nothing!
tgwynnsd19
TonyGynnSD19…….LOL
BondsAway
Zaidi’s free agent signings have been Tommy La Stella, Anthony Disco, Alex Dickerson, & Rodon. Not guys that are going to sale tickets.
Redwolves3
Zaidi gives same talking points every interview. Time to “put the money where your mouth is.” Zaidi needs to prove to Giants fans he’s finally going to get real, big time talent and not continue dumpster diving. The offseason is Zaidi’s make or break or be fired.
rememberthecoop
I believe Zaidi is smart enough to know what to do to turn this team around. But that’s the most challenging aspect for even the best organizations – building a sustainable winner. Teams that win almost every year (during the regular season) are few and far between. More teams are like the Giants, who go up and down, and the Cubs, who had success for 5 years and then bottomed out. The Rays, Cardinals, Dodgers, etc., are the examples. So, look at what they do. How they draft, their player development, how they handle contracts and spending. And what their culture is like. In this day and age of advanced metrics ruling decision making for most front offices, what gets lost is whether or not you have a winning culture throughout the organization – and the clubhouse morale is important. And you need leadership, both by example and vocal. Those things are difficult to measure using analytics. Analytics are great, and I’m a big fan. But it has to be supplemented by scouting and getting to know all about a player either before signing him, trading for him, or deciding whether or not to keep him. All these guys have talent or they wouldn’t have made the majors. What separates many of them is their drive, desire, work ethic. Are they baseball players? There needs to be more emphasis placed on this to go along with the numbers. If not, you may “luck” into a winning season now and again. But you won’t build sustained success.
Omarj
I’m not going to doubt SF. They are a good organization and make savvy moves. Good pitching destination as their history has shown, and they have proved to do more with less. The contract situations are just part of doing business and results of *championships*. It happens. They don’t spend like the Dodgers and have shown to be usually be in the race. Zaidi is solid so just trust the process. Padres been trying for a while now and they’re finally in it. So for the criticism towards SF, I don’t get it. And yeah, please don’t use Mr. Padre’s name
fred-3
“Shown usually to be in the race”
They haven’t won a playoff series since 2014
TradeAcuna
The best move the Giants will make for themselves this offseason is trading Webb to the Braves.
Balk
Ok, who would the Braves give up?
TradeAcuna
I’m Ozuna from the Braves and I would approve a trade to SF w/ my boy Ian Anderson – a postseason legend, and some of our young pitchers in the minors, and Shewmake.
Balk
Ozuna huh? Wat up dog? Not sure that’s what the Gmen need right now. Ha
SliderWithCheese
First order of business should be to fire Gabe Kapler. The second should be to have Folsom Street Fair night at the ballpark
sultanofsling
I completely agree. Kapler is a terrible on field and clubhouse manager. Choosing his political stances over everything else and managing by laptop. He has provided zero leadership.. And, he carries a whopping 16 coaches with the most ridiculous titles.
Jean Matrac
The real estate project has nothing to do with the operating capital of the Giants. That’s a completely separate issue. The Giants are one of the most wealthy teams in baseball, and I’m talking about Charles Johnson. They own their ballpark, and the debt service was paid off several years ago. Oracle Park might as well be printing money. And the real estate project is just going to bring in more revenue.
Balk
@tad…spot on.
quxdraw
The San Francisco Giant’s LLC, Port of San Francisco and Tishman Speyer are partners in the real estate project.. I would bet that the Giant’s are paying their portion of the construction loan’s with gate receipts, which does has something to do with operating capital. One thing I can say about rich people they don’t like to write checks with their money if they don’t need to..
Jean Matrac
The Giants have their own separate operating capital. That has nothing to do with the real estate project.
The fact that rich people don’t like to spend their own money, which the gate receipts would be in this case, goes counter to your point.
The real estate project has to be financed. and the construction costs are paid from the loan. That project has it’s own capital budget separate from that of the Giants.
Rsox
The more coaches he carries the more minimal his job becomes. Kapler lost his clubhouse early and never got it back. Plus 16 voices in the coaches room are probably 9 too many so how are the players going to listen to him when they have 15 other opinions to choose from. Farhan may be best firing Kapler and cutting the coaching staff in half
guynamedchris
Lol the same manager and coaching staff that won 107 games last year?! I think they’ve earned a bit more leeway than to be gone after one bad season plagued with player injuries.
JeffreyChungus
And somehow FarhanFan has gone MIA…
FarhanFan22
Did someone say Farhan? That’s my POB
JeffreyChungus
Return of the King
SFBay314
Believe the spending when I see it. Until the real estate project across from McCovey Cove is done I doubt we go over $160M/year. Team is terrible beers are $20 and the profits are going to real estate not the field.
Ann Porkins
The skepticism is warranted, though I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt for a bit longer. The plan has always been to improve the farm while phasing out the costly veterans, but last year’s 107-win season inspired them to invest in the old core a bit longer.
But the moves last offseason didn’t hurt the farm or get them tied up in long-term deals for players in their 30’s, so their trajectory has largely been unaffected by signing Crawford, Belt, DeSclafani, Wood, and Cobb.
And ownership made apparent pushes for Harper and Stanton years ago, so I trust that they’re open to making a splash as they watch their W/L record and ticket sales decline.
Now if they miss out on a big ticket acquisition in the next two years — with the likes of Verlander, deGrom, Judge, Ohtani, and Soto on the market — then there’ll be zero excuse for their lack of spending
Benjamin101677
Two major issues with the giants also is that the taxes are so high in California that not a lot of players want to play here or if they do have to over pay. Next major issue is that on paper they are so far behind going forward on the division and possible wild cards that a free agent don’t have the appeal other teams have
rememberthecoop
Doesn’t seem to bother the Dodgers a whole lot…
fred-3
The only big free agent signings for the Dodgers in the last 10 years have been Greinke and Freeman.
gravel
You should also include retaining Mookie Betts.
fred-3
I forgot Bauer but Mookie and Kershaw weren’t free agents
Jean Matrac
Mookie was a virtual FA, as the size of his deal attests. He signed an extension because the Dodgers offered him a deal that was what he could expect to get on the open market.
tgwynnsd19
TonyGywynnSD19………LOL
Benjamin101677
The dodgers are a winning team most free agents look at either playing time; money or winning. Dodgers at one time has to over spend now with winning they can people wanting to go there.
Giants are behind in the division; so than the money comes in and the high taxes mean that the giants have to over spend.
So as a top free agent San Francisco right now not going be a prized location to make a free agent want to go there.
Who was the last top tier free agent the giants signed ??
BondsAway
Carlos Rodon, who may win Cy-Young. You said free agents look at if it’s a winning team & playing time first.. Um, no they don’t. Most of last year’s free agents went to losing teams. Simeon, Seager, Correa, Bryant, etc. Free agents go where the money is. If it was about being on a winning team they’d all sign with LA or Houston.
Jean Matrac
NY taxes aren’t high?
BondsAway
You’re aware the Dodgers & Padres play in California too, right? They seem to get big free agents.
heiniemanush
Farhan missed his window. The miraculous 107 team gave him a shiny object to attract free agents. Now he has zero to attract big name signings. More miracles will be needed.
Jean Matrac
Attract which FAs? That’s just a vague generality. Who do you think Zaidi should have signed in the offseason?
Benjamin101677
Zaidi should got involved when the Braves moved on from Freeman. That been a big long term bat that the price was dropping.
They added no major pieces for 2022 and hoped to win again. There should have been money to spend after 2021
guynamedchris
They added Rodón, who has been one of the best ML pitchers in 2022, and added Joc Pederson, who has been the most productive member of the Giants’ offense this year. You can certainly argue that they didn’t make enough moves, but adding Joc and Rodon were not nothing moves.
People need to realize, the Giants are likely not thinking about adding huge contracts at least until they have a solid, young core established. People seem to ignore that the Dodgers didn’t acquire Betts, Trea Turner and Freeman until they already have a World Series quality roster composed almost exclusively of homegrown talent. The Padres, on the other hand, started dishing out huge contracts before their core was established, and now they still haven’t won a thing and are already needing to dump those contracts to stay competitive.
Pete'sView
Benjamin101677 — Agree about Freeman, and said so back then. I didn’t care if Belt was retained, but Freeman is as solid as they come. Belt could have been the LH DH, and it probably would have helped his knees.
Gwynning
Whose contract does SD need to dump to stay competitive? Silly pretense…
guynamedchris
Hosmer? Hasn’t that been the story for the last couple years, at least? And weren’t most reports that they absolutely had to dump him to make the Soto deal work? I’d say they’re pretty lucky that they did make it work, but why would the Padres, Giants, or any team want to put themselves in that position to begin with, is my point.
Gwynning
The Pads are essentially paying for Hosmer, hardly a dump on the Red Sox. ?
Jean Matrac
Benjamin101677:
We have to go a long way before we know whether the Dodgers signing Freeman was good. Sure, it’s been excellent for them this season, but that’s a fraction of the deal. He’s 32 now, but what if he underperforms a couple years from now, and he’s owed $81M for his age 35, 36, and 37 seasons?
I’m not saying he will decline badly, and if he maintains what he’s doing, good for him, and the Dodgers gamble pays off. But that was a gamble, and I understand why Zaidi, and others, passed. At this point it certainly isn’t an obvious miss on Zaidi’s part.
Pete'sView
Don’t know. Freeman, even in his later years, could be an excellent DH. Players like Freddie don’t come around often, a middle of the order bat, and a Gold Glove first baseman.
Jean Matrac
Pete, I acknowledged that he could be worth every penny, or more, and could look like a genius move for the Dodgers. But, there is still risk there, and we don’t know how well it will play out.
My point was, not signing Freeman as a criticism of Zaidi, is premature. Given the risk, which is real, not signing Freeman is understandable. It just isn’t an obvious failure on Zaidi’s part as implied.
Pete'sView
tad2b13— I hope I didn’t say Farhan’s lack of signing Freddie was an “obvious failure,” only that I think given the obvious regression the Giants were going to have in 2022, signing him was a smart, calculated move for a team with so much money.
I don’t see many players coming up this offseason who can compare, and clearly the Giants need to take some bold (not reckless) steps this winter.
Jean Matrac
Pete, No you didn’t say that, or even imply it. What I wrote was in response to @Benjamin101677. I asked who FZ should have signed. He responded Freeman. He characterized the non-signing as FZ missing the boat.
I was making the point that it’s understandable, looking at the risk, and long term aspects of the deal, why he didn’t. That IMO it’s hard to criticize not making a deal when we don’t know how that deal will turn out.
Pete'sView
Got it.
BlueSkies_LA
It’s 20s and 30s. Not possessive, and not a contraction.
ric7744
As a lifelong Giants fan who spent a lot of money in the past on tickets and other things I can tell you I am done until if and when the payroll matches where they sit revenue wise. I don’t even care if they win if they are not putting the proper money back into the product on the field I am completely out.
gravel
Thanks for freeing up a seat.
tedtheodorelogan
Totally agree. It’s disrespectful to the fan base to run out Tommy LaStella as DH over and over because you are afraid cutting him will make you look stupid for signing him to begin with. When Wilmer Flores and Joc Pederson are your best offensive players you really don’t have any hope.
Pete'sView
LaStella needs to be dealt for whatever .. . or DFA’d. No space for him on this roster.
FarhanFan22
Farhan is doing the best he can and people need to respect the process. He didn’t sign all of those bad long term deals. Now he’s just waiting for the best moment to strike and buy up all the best free agents. Braves fans can make jokes now but I remember when ATL was the butt of all the jokes, not long ago.
foppert
Too much doom and gloom. What the man says is logical when talking about recruitment for this year. Didn’t work, frustrating as f#ck after last years success, but importantly, no harm done in terms of having entered into long, flexibility killing commitments to not superstars. He can now eat the failure, reset with gay abandon and off we go again. Looking forward to it.
Pete'sView
And hope some of the “prospects” show more in 2023.
bwmiller
The Diamondbacks are on the rise in the NL West and the Dodgers are stacked for the next three years, the Giants best prospects are two to three years out from having an impact, it makes little sense for the Giants to spend heavily in free agency, it doesn’t make much sense to sign a SP to a long term deal, they are best off developing prospects and potentially adding a keystone player or two to the offense on a long term deal, and to work on stacking the bullpen similar to the Rays approach which has worked out well.
Viveleempireevil
Perhaps Farhan should get himself a real MLB manager. Not one who is more focused on SJW issues…than winning games.
disadvantage
Mind giving an example of how a manager – who won 107 games in 2021 – spends more time focusing on SJW issues than winning games? Just one example!