The Tigers released infielder Johan Camargo from a minor league contract, tweets Evan Petzold of the Detroit Free-Press. The switch-hitter had signed with Detroit in late June.
Camargo made 22 appearances for their Triple-A team in Toledo. He struggled over 88 trips to the plate, hitting .238/.295/.400. Camargo connected on three homers and kept his strikeouts to a modest 17% clip but was weighed down by a .254 average on balls in play. He’d fared much better in Triple-A with the Royals earlier in the season, when he hit .298/.412/.544 in 15 contests.
Between the organizations, Camargo still has a solid .263/.346/.460 showing at the top minor league level on the season. That hasn’t gotten him back to the big leagues, which he’d reached every year between 2017-22. Camargo got semi-regular run at third base for the Braves during his first couple seasons but has been in a utility capacity since 2019. He’s a career .255/.313/.410 hitter over 416 MLB contests.
Camargo returns to the open market and could look to catch on with a third organization for the stretch run. He can play anywhere on the infield and carries a .303/.376/.500 line over parts of six seasons in Triple-A.
Well I’ll be…
Phillies could use a shortstop…..
Pretty sad that Carmago might be more serviceable than Trea Turner.
Oh, but that slide, Von, that cool, smooth slide…
It seems like a lifetime ago. I can’t recall a bigger mental slump than the one Trea Turner is in right now. From one of the best in the game to a liability.
Has he seen the eye doctor?
I would hope he’s seen every kind of doctor at this point. He’s a mess. I’m still rooting for him to pull through, but this is sad to see.
Damn that’s sounds awful 300mil dollars to Trea Turner and hasn’t don’t well all year. Bogaerts I pretty sure has sucked too. Not sure about Correa but I know Lt. Dansby Samsonite has been great for the Cubs.
Yeah. It’s a bit beyond not doing well. He’s costing them games. He’s an automatic out and is close to the league lead in errors as well.
One good year with the Braves in ‘18. Not much since.
He had a good debut in 2017 as a 23 year old rookie, then he had a fantastic second season and looked like such a promising player. It’s a shame things went south on him so quickly after his first two seasons in MLB.
Seems like he became lazy. Tried to be too cool and stylish in his play. Didn’t seem to take direction well and never really seemed to give maximum effort. Probably something you want to do as a bench/ backup player trying to break through.
Eddys Leonard took his 40 man spot. What I don’t get is how most teams paid a premium for starting pitching but DET couldn’t get more for Lorenzen.
I’d imagine because Lorenzen doesn’t have a track record of success. He was an All Star this year because someone had to go for the Tigers. I think for the first time in a few years they got it right. But getting a top 5 prospect is a really good haul for him. I’m surprised DD didn’t trade a top 3 for him seeing his track record for the Tigers..
I don’t know enough about the 4 prospects in front of Lee, the player the Tigers got from the Phillies. But I think Harris liked his profile better than them. He seems to be focusing on players who have an eye for the strike zone and he supposedly has an excellent idea of the zone. I don’t know how much I buy that as he has 53 K in about 247 AB but we’ll see.
Baseball America had Hao-Yu Lee ranked as Philly’s #8 prospect but I don’t understand why he was ranked that high (unless Philly’s farm system is barren). Here’s what they had to say about him:
“BA’s report indicates he’s a hit-over-power player with a shot to stick in the middle infield. Below-average arm strength and range make him a best fit for second base. While the hit-focused second baseman is a tough profile to pull off, Lee’s minor league production is solid.“
He’s still only 20 years old but the lack of power and lack of arm strength and IF range makes me question if he’ll even make it to the majors, let alone contribute. Detroit could have done better than this for Lorenzen in my opinion.
This sounds like a description of every acquisition Harris has made via trade, free agency, or draft. All seemed destined for utility or 2nd base. How many 2nd baseman do we need? Sure, if they hit, we can find a pisition. Well then, we shall have the poorest fielding team in the MLB except for 2nd base, I guess. So far, boy wonder has not impressed me.
Justyn Henry-Malloy is not a second baseman and looks good. Matt Vierling is not a 2B. They both gave played well. Finding some solid pitching off the scrap heap like Tyler Holton and Lorenzen was a coup. It’s the same thing they did in SF and they won 107 games a few years ago doing it.
They won a 107 games one year… every other year right around .500. Looks like an outlier.
I understand building the bottom of the roster… but you need to pay attention to the top of the roster too. That’s the part that sells tickets and makes a great season.
Vierling, Maton, Ibanez, McKinstry, Malloy are all just filler. You need a few top players too. Greene looks like the real deal. They could use at least 2 more.
Malloy fies not look like filler. The rest are role players gor sure. I’d agree on them and you are right that Harris needs to get some more full time players who can hit. Greene looks good, Tork has improved and even Rogers looks like a piece to build on in the near term future.
Malloy started out on fire… he was superstar material. His numbers are around really good level. His OPS was well over 1.000, now it’s in the .870 range which is good, but it dropped quite a bit for a reason. I hope he pans out… but he needs a position. Keith also… he was putting up video game numbers. Now it’s decent numbers. He doesn’t have a position either. They need to put them somewhere and stick with it. Keith belongs at 3B. Malloy, maybe LF? Hopefully their bat makes the difference.
I think you are bang on for positions for Keith and Malloy. Keith has a gun for an arm and could gave been drafted as a pitcher too. Between them and Parker Meadows there are some promising young players who should be up next year. Hopefully they work out like Carpenter has. Then we might be cooking with gas with some other additions by trade or in free agency. If Baez could even be league average on offence that would make things sooo much better. One can dream.
Getting someone’s #5 prospect, who is blocked in Philly is nothing to sneeze at. The pitchers above him are considered can’t miss. I thought it was a good pickup and Lee looks like he will be a good player, likely at 2B. I also think Eddys Leonard is an under the radar move. A couple tweaks and you have an everyday player. He was the Diodgers #15 prospect (now the Tigers #22).
Lee looks like more improving the bottom of the roster type move. Yes, he will do a great job replacing Short.
He is a free agent after the season. Pure rental.
A rental without a track record. Underlying numbers weren’t All-Star caliber either. Getting a young prospect with a good shot to contribute is a win. Only 10.7% of prospects acquired at the deadline over the past few years (the number of years is escaping me) have actually proven to be contributors at the major league level. I’ll take a #5 prospect over two prospects, say, #17 and #22. Sure, the profile looks all too much like Harold and Willi Castro, but at his young age hopefully he can develop some pop.
I remember when people were talking about keeping Carmargo and trading away Austin Riley
Yes, I was one. Boy was I wrong!!!
That’s more a testament to Riley improving massively, especially on defense at third, than you being wrong at the time or anything like that. I remember that time too.
FanGraphs seems to like his D @ 3rd base. Riley is 1.7 UZR. Not in the Machado or even Candalerio class, but clearly above average defensively.
The amount of people that said he would be Atlanta’s Zobrist was too many
There were some fans that really loved Camargo, and rightfully so because he played great at the start of his career, BUT there were many that noticed he had drastically out performed his minor league numbers and probably wouldn’t be able to replicate his short term success over the long haul. Nevertheless, I feel like Atlanta kept him, instead of dealing him at his highest value, simply because of his defensive versatility combined with the uncertainty surrounding the unproven Riley at the time. Without a doubt he was a cheap backup plan who could sub across much of the diamond. Without regular playtime however, he diminished in effectiveness.
Franklin Perez, the cornerstone of the Justin Verlander trade was also released.
That Verlander trade… Jeesh Lois! I still can’t believe the Tigers paid down some of Verlander’s salary in that deal too.
It won’t get any better. It’s early but, Scott Harris hasn’t looked good early on.
So far the only thing that really bugs me is the Erod situation and from what I am reading it looks more and more like Erod got cold feet at the last minute. Doesn’t excuse not having a backup plan. If the guy wants to stay theynm should shell out the extra cash, and he should give a hometown discount. How that plays out will be interesting.
Again, it’s early but the Lorenzen trade looks like a stinker. What’s with the Phillies connection?
Not cold feet from what my sources tell me. He wanted LA to rework his contract and they refused.
Dombrowski taking advantage of the impaired.
Especially when his agent knows Cabreras’ contract is coming off the books……
Like going to the bank, robbing it, and making them provide the sack to put all the money in.
Always liked him as a Brave. Hate things haven’t worked out for him.
There was a time where he was out performing Dansby, and it felt almost Jason Heyward /Constanza ish from 10 years ago. Which made for comedic golf in the comments section with the fan boys
I always wonder why a guy like Camargo stops progressing. His talent was top notch and he was in some decent organizations early in his career.
It makes me think about how Al Kaline said there is no excuse for failing to develop into a solid fielder. Make the right reads. Know the play before it unfolds.
Camargo has enough bat to stay in the big leagues. He could of at least been a Cole Calhoun level contributor somewhere if he had proved out his glovework. But now it looks like he is a few more bounces away from leaving the game.
@ejemp. It appeared Camargo just got lazy. Glad they got him away from Acuna Jr. Seems Acuna Jr finally has grown up somewhat.
Better than the Giants combo of Schmidt, Wisely, Diaz. Those guys just flat out can’t hit a baseball. They should definitely pick him up.
Camargo was fine in 2018. Then Anthopoulos acquired Donaldson for one season and had a great year at the plate. Have to wonder if Camargo broke down mentally after the Donaldson signing.
He was 24 years old and did nothing to lose his starting job based on his 2018 performance. Suddenly he’s a bench player. I don’t think he came to terms with it and he spiraled.
“He struggled over 88 trips to the plate, hitting .238/.295/.400. ”
Struggled?
.695 OPS+ is better than Ibanez, McKinstry, Maton, and Short. Tiger fans are in mourning. Maybe Harris will see what he has?
Mourning watching Paredes and Candy rake for other teams. Those two would have filled two major holes on this team and might have been the difference in the division race.