The Yankees have checked in with the Padres regarding the trade candidacy of Juan Soto, reports Andy Martino of SNY. Those discussions, which Martino unsurprisingly categorizes as “preliminary,” should be one of many calls that San Diego receives on the superstar outfielder in the weeks and months to come.
Teams are still prohibited from making trades, although there was never any chance of the Padres making such a monumental move this early in the offseason anyhow. Clubs can identify and discuss early targets in preparation for the reopening of the trade window, which occurs the day after the end of the World Series.
Speculation about Soto’s availability has lingered back to before the trade deadline. The scuffling Padres elected to buy over the summer, hoping those additions would combine with improved play out of their existing roster to push them back into contention. San Diego didn’t start winning consistently until it was too late, never erasing the deficit and finishing two games behind the Diamondbacks.
The underwhelming place in the standings alone was always going to reignite chatter about Soto’s availability. Adding fuel to the fire were various late-season reports that the Friars hoped to cut back spending. Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune pegged the target figure around $200MM, which would be nearly $50MM south of this past season’s level. Even if the Padres don’t slice payroll to that extent, it seems clear they will be more austere this winter than they have in the past couple offseasons.
MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects Soto for a $33MM salary next year, his final season of arbitration eligibility. That’d easily top the $30MM record which Shohei Ohtani established last winter for an arb-eligible player, making Soto the highest-paid player on the San Diego roster. Yet even that lofty figure is well below the open market value for one prime-aged season of a player who is among the game’s five best hitters.
The three-time All-Star overcame a relatively slow start to turn in a characteristically excellent season. Soto hit .275/.410/.519, popping 35 home runs while leading baseball with 132 walks. Among batters with 500+ plate appearances, he ranked third in on-base percentage and 11th in slugging.
Soto would be a massive upgrade for any team in baseball. While that’ll make him a popular target, it would also make trading him a massive decision for the Padres. San Diego is going to make another push to compete in 2024. Removing Soto from the equation makes that quite a bit harder, even if they’re able to reallocate some of that payroll room into addressing a mediocre bottom of the lineup and/or filling a rotation that could lose each of Blake Snell, Michael Wacha and Seth Lugo to free agency.
Even if the Padres were fully determined to cut player spending to the $200MM range, they don’t have to trade Soto to make that happen. If Wacha, Lugo and Nick Martinez each hit free agency, the Friars would have around $127MM in salary commitments for next season. That doesn’t include Soto’s arbitration projection, which would push them near $160MM. Arbitration projections for Trent Grisham and Scott Barlow would nudge them past $170MM.
That may not leave a ton of space in the budget for free agent acquisitions — and they’ll certainly need to address the rotation in some form — but it doesn’t force their hand on a Soto trade specifically. Any of Grisham, Barlow or Ha-Seong Kim would have appeal if the Padres were to consider marketing them instead.
Martino suggests that Soto could be available if another team puts forth an appropriate offer, indicating the 25-year-old is not categorically untouchable. That aligns with comments from president of baseball operations A.J. Preller at the start of the offseason. At season’s end, Preller told reporters the organization would reengage Soto’s representation at the Boras Corporation about a potential extension (link via AJ Cassavell of MLB.com). Asked about the possibility of a trade if they can’t work out a long-term deal, San Diego’s baseball ops leader noted they’ve “never been a group that (rules out) anything” before reiterating that their “first path” would be a chat with Soto’s camp about a contract.
If the Padres get to a point this offseason in which they’re seriously entertaining a Soto blockbuster, the Yankees are one of a number of teams that could be involved. New York is as good a fit as any given their willingness to spend at the top of the league and a need to address left field. Every team with payroll room would have room on the roster for Soto, although only teams with a legitimate path to contention in 2024 are plausible suitors to top the trade market for a player one year from free agency. The Yankees are the first of many teams that are likely to be mentioned in Soto rumors during the offseason.
Stanton for Soto. Love it.
Prime Jays target…. but the ask would likely be too much
Negotiations begin with Vlad, Tiedemann and add more to that.
Its for just one year.of Soto. Lower your sights.
If you think Vlad and Tiedemann for Soto is too high I would strongly suggest you check it again.
Would I do it if I were the Jays? No. Lower sights? Unfortunately no.
For 1 yesr of Soto? You need to check it again.
Ricky Tiedemann is worth more than one season of soto according to BTV. Which player evaluation site are you using?
So I’m conclusion, no the trade wouldn’t start with Tiedemann and Vlad because the jays would be giving too much up.
He’s used to be being wrong.
BTV is not worth even looking at.
Here is what IS worth looking at. What the Dodgers gave up to get Betts. Then take into account that the Dodgers also paid $48 million of Price’s contract. That is your comp for any trade for Soto.
The Padres would ask for Tiedmann as a headliner of a deal. It would also have to include at least 1 other top 100 prospect plus a 45-50 FV prospect that is MLB ready or very close to ready that plays a position that the Padres are in need of. Since the only other top 100 prospect in the Jays system is Martinez, he would be likely to be included. Not sure who would fit the bill as a 45-50 FV prospect that is MLB ready.
Not sure that would be enough because of the dearth of hitters on the market this offseason.
Vlad would not be included at all because of his salary.
BTV is worth looking at it because many mlb executives use it as a starting model.
What they don’t do is ask someone random biased padres fan. Referring to some trade years ago that has zero relevance on the current market today. The betts trade has as much relevance on the current market as Griffeys trade to the reds.
You just gotta laugh at these clowns who their there player evaluations on spot on with every player, then when the guy is traded for far less than what they think, they scream and stomp their feet insulting the gm yelling that he got fleeced.
iverbure
“You just gotta laugh at these clowns who their there player evaluations on spot on with every player”
Agree with most of what you said, except
EVERYONE (including teams, individual members of front offices, scouts, websites, etc) is going to value players differently. No one knows how any player is going to perform in the future.
It’s totally fair for a fan to have a different opinion than BTV.
It’s very unlikely that that fan is more informed than BTV (or any of those other entities), though. And most fans would be well-served to remember that they have much less information than the people they are disagreeing with. And also well-served to reflect on how many times they’ve been wrong in the past.
Yankees
Juan Soto
Padres
Everson Pereira
T.J. Rumfield
Will Warren
Where’s the Captain? Bet he’s got a woody just thinking about Soto in pinstripes. With that short porch in right & this being his walk year, Soto could pop maybe 50.
This should be juicy over under 20 games in NY before he turns on the media and fans for booing him. A Primadonna like Soto and Trash NY fans should be a recipe for chaos
Says the genius who can’t spell MISSISSIPPI.
Phonetically sounds similar. Too lazy to correct to original to care
Maybe it sounds similar to you, but not if it’s correctly pronounced.
I’ll give you an “o” on “too original” because I like your style.
Hey wait! He has to buy a vowel.
Maybe they removed one “ss” after ww2 and added the 3ks? But, that state had 3ks well before ww2
It’s probably only his sixth or so username he uses on here anyway.
son of a gun that’s close it’s my 3rd username act
I’ve never seen a player that relishes the spotlight quite like Soto tho.
For Yankees Spotlight Relishing Please See:
Rodriguez, Alex
Perfect fit for those guys. Just have to hand over quite a few prospects, and then Boras really has them over a barrel.
Will take more than prospects. Padres will want major league ready or already in the majors young, cost controlled talent that can play right away.
Who do the Yankees have to trade for Soto? I know nothing about their farm system
A bunch of overhyped players that they will never develop!!
dave – Yankees have a tremendous prospect that’s put up a .922 OPS in 306 AAA games, I think the Padres might be able to pry him away.
Name is Cordero …. Franchy Cordero.
That’s 2023 one time cleanup hitter Franchy Cordero
I’m fairly certain he was misused and should’ve been the leadoff hitter. Nothing SD can’t fix.
Poor Frenchy…any one of us would still dream for his opportunities.
Franchy.
Frenchy Franchy. Potato potahto.
Jon – You never saw The Conjuring or The Nun?
@davengmusic- the Yankees have the pieces that the Padres would want for Soto. The big question is will the Yankees given a 72 hour window to negotiate an extension with Soto lst prior to a trade? The pieces for the Pods obviously get a lot better with an extension for Mr. Soto. The Yankees will not be giving up 2 or 3 of their top prospects for a rental. Not happening.
If Soto were to sign an extension it would be with the Padres. I doubt they give the Yankees any “window.”
@Captain, teams are not allowed a window prior to a trade to sign an extension. So that’s a hard no there. And even if they were(which they’re not), there is zero leverage for Soto to even entertain such a thing.
The official start to the Hot Stove League…..The Yanks are in on everyone!
Roberto – Even Donaldson?
Ok, almost everybody!!
Can he pitch? Yankees can get one superstar homerun hitter after another, but if they don’t fix their pitching and only hit bombs as opposed to hitting the whole field, they aren’t going anywhere.
Probably take Dominguez + a SP to get AJ to budge
Dominguez 100%
And I personally think he’s 100% gone. I think Cashman would rather cash in his peak prospect value, than wait for him to develop into what he ultimately will become. He’s already playing that game with a few guys, Cabrera Volpe etc.
Just my hunch, but I think he’s gonna be outta there as the big piece in a big trade, whether that be Soto or whoever.
I don’t think Dominguez moves the needle for SD. Writings on the wall – he’s overhyped
They have seemed to try to trade Dominguez everywhere. There must be a reason.
No, the Padres are higher on Spencer Jones then they are a Jasson Dominguez. With no Soto extension the Yankees won’t be moving him though. (Jones)
The Yankees are unlikely to trade Dominguez now, the Padres prefer Jones anyway(not injured) but obviously an extension would have to be signed lst, for that to happen with the Yankees.
Dominguez goes no where. Spencer Jones is a possibility in a Soto package. Dominguez is recovering from TJS, why would the Padres want him back, right now anyway?
Padres get both Dominguez AND Jones in a Soto trade.
Dominguez won’t play for at a minimum the first half of 2024. Maybe longer. He just had TJ surgery.
Any trade with the Yankees starts with Volpe. Since the Yankees don’t have any other top 50 prospects, add 2 more top 100 prospects. Maybe Dominguez who is ranked #74 is one of those. Then add one more mid-level prospect that is close to MLB ready. .
TJ not a big deal for players who aren’t pitchers or catchers. I’m partial to Dominguez.
“San Diego didn’t start winning consistently until it was too late, never erasing the deficit and finishing two games behind the Diamondbacks.”
About a 1% difference over the course of 162 games
Yet the narrative is that the Padres are a miserable failure who need to tear it all down and fire the GM while the DBacks have…a different story.
Interesting
The ol’ sliding doors
Why do you keep pointing to the “narrative”? If you think it’s false then don’t even comment on it and move on.
DRDSV
The lack of self-awareness is astounding
If you think what I’m saying is false, then don’t even comment and move on
RIght?
You are commenting on another’s opinion, right? You are the one taking it as fact. I can’t help that. I can’t help that you think you have this superiority over others that don’t share the same opinion as you. I don’t get why you need to get so combative about an opinion. Your lack of self aware is astounding because you think your crap doesn’t stink.
Right?
DRDSV
*You are commenting on another’s opinion, right? You are the one taking it as fact”
What am I taking as fact?
I’m commenting more on the reasoning process than the option
“. I can’t help that you think you have this superiority over others that don’t share the same opinion as you.”
You don’t have to help that, because it’s not true. I’m fine with differing opinions. I’m not fine with poor reasoning
And let me guess, your reasoning is absolute every single time, right?
DRDSV
“And let me guess, your reasoning is absolute every single time, right?”
Of course not.
I said I’m not fine with poor reasoning. Why would that not include my own
Maybe you are projecting
Discussion should not be one side trying to prove that they are right and the other is wrong. It should serve to enhance the understanding of all parties involved.
Just to head off some of the worst Yankee trade proposals, here’s a list of players that would make a relatively equitable centerpiece in a Soto trade, via BTV:
Dominguez
Periera
Wells (weakest of these 4, would require 2-3 more pieces)
Jones
Schmidt
Stanton, Judge, and DJM all have negative value.
Judge has negative value? What? I get that his contract is huge but come on.
Doesn’t matter if Judge’s trade value is positive or negative. He has a full NTC and wants to be a Yankees lifer.
BTV is a joke.
Here is how to judge the return it would take. MORE than the Dodgers gave up to get Betts because the Padres don’t have a salary like Price that they want to dump.
When Price was traded the wheels had yet to fall off he was still an over 1 k per inning pitcher. So there was no salary dump.
Price could no longer pitch innings. It was a dump. He had a starters salary, but could not be relied on due to his injury history.
Some things to keep in mind.
The Yankees have no elite prospects. The best is at the back end of the top 100 at 73. Dominguez is #74. A 55 FV. His ceiling is a slightly above average major league player. None of them are elite.
It will take an elite prospect or good young MLB player with 5 years of team control to headline any deal for Soto.
Less than 1 in 5 top 100 prospects ever become even a major league average or 2.0 WAR player. That includes the guys in the top 5 that are almost sure things to at least be a league average player. Those 65-70 FV graded players. Guys like Jackson Holliday and Jackson Chourio. None of the Yankees prospects you listed are in the 65-70 FV category.
Dominguez just had TJ surgery and will be accruing major league service time while he sits on the IL most of 2024. He is FAR from a headliner in any deal He won’t play and he will have less team control by the time he starts to play again.
So BTV thinking ANY prospect that is graded only a 45-55 would be a centerpiece of a trade for one of the best hitters in the game is a bad joke.
You guys are dilusional. Based on Betts trade whom is a better all around player than Soto a pkg of Peraza, Pieria, Hampton and another lottery piece will be more than sufficient to land Soto. Dominquez, Jones, Wells and Thorpe are untouchable in my opinion and if any of them are included it will be contingent upon Soto agreeing to an extension which is simply not happening with Boras being his agent. Personally i don’t see Steinbrenner shelling out $400 million it will cost to sign him plus give up prospects. I rather they sign Bellinger 7/175-200 and Montgomery 6/130, trade Torres for the best pkg possible.
@Anthony maresca You don’t get to declare any prospect untouchable in a Soto trade!
A prerequisite of having a legitimate path to contending would remove the Yankees from consideration hahahaha
How about the Rays trade Tyler Glasnow and a prospect or two for Juan Soto? That would be fun.
Sure. But who’s paying Soto?…
The Rays are only paying $8M more for Soto. They could try to move Margot to clear that. Harold Ramirez could be another option.
Clark Schmidt, Spencer Jones and Everson Perieira and he is all yours NY….
Spencer Jones is not being traded for a 1 yr rental period !
And watch him hunt base on balls and gag when ya need him…
Trading a bunch of their best prospects for one year of Soto makes no sense. They aren’t one player away from WS contenention. Even someone as good as Soto.
I agree, Soto alone doesn’t fix their problems. But, I think for once, Cashman would be getting a legitimate upgrade. Cashman has been adding older players to the roster, and Soto is still very young. He’s a young proven left-handed hitter. With that short porch, Yankees should have a lefty-heavy lineup.
But he’s also a DH waiting to happen at only 25. Probably the most disinterested fielder in MLB.
Oh yes, DH is Stanton’s spot. And yeah Soto isn’t the greatest fielder I agree.
They will surely be looking to extend soto. He’s a perfect fit for Yankees.
And it’ll cost a fortune considering Yankees farm isn’t very good. Or why trade him on the first place ? It’s not like padres didn’t know they committed all that money for next year.
Something like
Cortez/Schmidt
Hampton/Thorpe
Lombard/arias
2 pitchers and a high end lotto ticket will prob get it done. Yanks need to jump on that !
There is almost zero chance Soto signs an extension at this point. And the off chance he were to he’s in a position to dictate the terms, so he’d have a full no trade clause. As for the notion of a trade contingent on an extension, they have no leverage to force that on Soto. Even if they had leverage(which they do not), MLBPA would not allow it.
Does it really matter ? Wouldn’t going into the whole situation with soto and yanks knowing they want it to work long term good enough ? It’s not like the Yankees don’t have the money. Let soto milk the system for another 30-40 mil. At the end the yanks will pay
Which is why it won’t happen. And Boras will not entertain an extension negotiating window prior to the trade.
Of course he would. It all depends on the number. Why would Soto turn down an offer today that he might not get next year?
I mean, I agree, but the point of an extension is so you DON’T have to overpay the player.
Boras has no say in there being an extension negotiating window prior to the trade. He only has a say in whether or not Soto actually signs one.
This is just the beginning
Realistic trade:
Yankees get Juan Soto
Padres get Volpe, Domiguez, and Clarke Schmidt
Yankee fan trade idea:
Yankees get Juan Soto + Tatis
Padres get Stanton, Florial, Peraza, and a bag of balls
@…AND PRINT IT!!! The same Dominguez who won’t play all year next year? Yeah thats totally worth a year of one of the best hitters in the game
And you are forgetting that a large percentage of all young players don’t make it to six years in the majors at all.
That may be the first thing you have ever posted that I agree with.
Hey Yankees fans, its going to take more than the Dodgers gave up to get Betts because the Yankees wouldn’t be taking on a salary like Price’s.
So, more than Verdugo?
Yes, it will take much more than just Verdugo to get Soto from the Padres.
The Red Sox had a dysfunctional Front Office that was not up to the task of negotiating the Betts deal with the Dodgers.
Their process was flawed.
The Padres will insist on maximum value and an overpay by any team acquiring Soto.
Otherwise, they will just keep Soto and go in a different direction.
The Boston and New England Sports media is dissecting the trades and rejected trades during the Bloom era in Boston.
It was not really Bloom’s fault, totally, but he will be the scapegoat for the poorly managed process by Ownership, the 37 VPs and Sam Kennedy.
Verdugo was a top 35 prospect that had just put up a 3.0 WAR in 2/3 of a season playing mostly CF. Downs was ranked #44 overall. Wong was a 50 FV prospect that was MLB ready.
That would be the type of players that the Padres would expect to get back in any trade for Soto.
@websoulsurfer-Not without an extension signed lst, it won’t. Without a extension maybe Torres, Schmidt, and Pereira. With an extension, the haul obviously gets better for the Friars.
@Captain Judge Actually I don’t think it does.
It doesn’t matter if the Padres give the Yankees a window to negotiate or not because he will not sign. Soto doesn’t care if he is traded or not, he has no reason not to go to free agency. This will be a one year deal and it will be up to the acquiring team to extend him, just like it was for the Betts trade. Withholding prospects unless he signs an extension first would just take the Yankees out of the running for him.
Not with Soto going to break a new 3rd yr arbitration record estimated at $33 million
The “realistic” trade will never happen. The NYY won’t trade 5 years of Volpe for one year of Soto, and probably wouldn’t even take the call.
Volpe will likely deliver 20+ WAR over the next five year. Soto might give you 6 for one year.
@JoeBrady yeah I’m sure the Padres want to give up a top 5 hitter for a .200 hitter with decent defense straight up
Yeah…Soto goes to the Yankees, tweaks a hamstring in May, and takes his place next to Stanton,Judge and Rodon on the IL.
Sounds almost as bad as team starting the season with a $340 million dollar payroll only to end up 12 games below .500
So to reply to your point,what’s your point? Off topic much?
With Judge playing 406 games out of 486 over the last 3 seasons is hardly an injury prone guy……… not even in Stanton;s class.
the only way this would ever work is if Soto agreed to sign an extension, otherwise no to the price the Padres would be asking.
The Padres have a talented roster and are paralleling the Yankees in terms of success, and they had Soto and didn’t make the playoffs.
I’m not giving up anything. especially someone like Dominguez for Soto for one year,
Sign him as a free agent.
If signing him long term is a must then yeah the Yankees are better off waiting.
Dominguez would be a must for me.
No more Preller contract negotiations, period. He spends money like a sailor in a Thai red light district…
……….ladyboys….?
The trade for Soto could be the last stand for Cashman and Boone especially if the Yankees miss the playoffs again.
@Braves- Maybe for Boone, but no for Cashman though. Cashman is Yankees Family- he goes nowhere. I wish I was wrong.
Dominguez
Warren
Cabrera
Sauer
Watson
Padres better off standing pat and signing a few pitchers to replace what they lose. LA looking like they might be on the decline. Grisham – purchase him some cheap luggage. Use the money to sign a back of the rotation guy.
Padres don’t have the option of standing pat. MLB has told them to get their finances in order. Payroll is getting cut. It may not be Soto, but he’s the easiest to remove. Otherwise, it’s multiple players being moved.
You keep getting the facts wrong. The Padres are one of 23 teams that were in violation of the debt service ratio because of 2020. The submitted a plan to get out of it and have no problems with MLB.
The Padres made a profit this season. They have went from bottom 7 in revenue to top 14 in revenue in the last few years. They are going to have to pay into the revenue sharing instead of receiving money this season.
The owner of the team said that the Padres were “staying the course” and that payroll would be around the same in 2024 that it was in 2023.
So why do you keep repeating stupid BS like that?
Soto is more likely to be extended than traded.
Shocker
Serious question: “Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune”
Is that pronounced A C or Assy?
Not sure why but I’m hoping it’s Assy.
Unfortunately A-C not assy
The Padres have a chance to be better in the long run by trading Soto for prospects just before the war-shortened 2024
Mariners trade for Soto and sign shohei. World series, finally. DO SOMETHING.
Gathering great talent has never really worked for Seattle. This is the franchise that had HOFers Randy Johnson, Ken Griffey Jr, Alex Rodriguez, and Edgar Martinez on the roster at the same time and still didn’t win a WS.
Not sure what you’re implying. Teams with better talent are more likely to win more games and thus also win the World Series. That’s just logical and so obviously correct I don’t have to justify it. But because the Mariners had good players in the past and didn’t win the WS, you’re arguing… that they *shouldn’t* try to get talented players? Should they get mediocre and bad players instead, and that would help them succeed? And you’re saying this is something specific to Seattle… why exactly?
Soto is a Scott Boras client & y’all know what that means. You will get one season if traded this winter or a third of a season if traded at the deadline. Boras always tries to get top dollar for his clients through free agency.
Where are all those Padres fans who said the Preller would never trade Soto lol?!
It is more likely to happen than not,.
Top SS prospect Jackson Merrill can play SS, 2B of OF.
I can see them moving Xander to 2B or LF.
Get a young CF in the deal as part of the trade package along with young starters.
SF
1) Not usually a good idea to say “never” or “always”.
2) Soto hasn’t been traded.
3) You have no idea if it’s more likely than not, or not.
4) There’s no reason to believe that what you “can see” is valuable information
Yes all knowing and wise one.
You are the only one qualified to have a valid opinion on Soto’s likelihood of being traded and the possible returns on that sort of trade LOL!
The rest of us have to be wrong LOL!
We can either believe what the media is rumoring (Acee, MLBTR) etc,.. or what Seidler is saying. Seidler’s never given me reason to not believe his word to the fanbase in SD. Seidler and Preller are publicly saying they intend to explore extending Soto before any next step. The next step includes keeping Soto for the 2024 season even if they don’t extend him now. Many teams are inquiring about Soto because he’s Soto, and there’s no surprise that SNY picked up on that.
It also seems a given, if you were only to go with the dominant paradigm, that the Pads must slash payroll. This also goes directly against what the owner of the Pads is saying. If anyone has actual evidence that the Pads are cutting payroll way back, or are being asked to do so by MLB, please share.
This ^^^ 100%
Teams have to play it smart and speak to multiple audiences to convey multiple messages and try to keep everyone happy,
Your fans and season ticket holders are one audience.
Your opponents and potential trade partners are a completely different audience.
That is one of the reasons you will see mixed messages going out.
Neither is inaccurate.
It is marketing, posturing, positioning for the greatest strength and success for your organization.
Can never rule anything out with Preller but unless he gets CJ Abrams, MacKenzie Gore and James Wood back to trade Juan would be to admit that the first Soto trade was the worst trade of the entire Preller era. Trading all that for absolutely nothing in return is the type of thing that gets you fired.
Not in San Diego, apparently.
Preller has been in San Diego for what? 10 years without a World Series Title
and only 1 playoffs appearance?!
That sort of record gets you fired in many markets.
I’m pretty sure that they would be getting back at least half of what they gave up to get two years of his control.
you can rule out being hands-off
Where did the article said they got beyond a due diligence type of call?
The facts are that Soto is not being shopped, but any GM would be an idiot to not at least accept the call and Preller is not an idiot.
You on the other hand…
So then is Preller ready to admit that the first Soto trade is one of the all time bad trades in MLB history?
@harambe. The trade can’t be fairly evaluated at this point in time.
wait and try to sign him as a free agent. if they trade for him now they lose multiple prospects, don’t win anyway (they need multiple upgrades) and their ballpark helps him achieve a judge-like walk year that ups his free agent price by 100M
The Yankees don’t have the players they can trade to make it happen without hurting the major league squad, so it’s doubtful
Did the Yankees call the Padres and ask what it would take? Probably. Is there any chance that a trade between the two teams happens? Not in the least little bit.
That brings up a different question. What WOULD it take?
More than the Red Sox received for 1 year of Betts.
That trade involved:
A player that was a top 35 prospect to start the season and had put up a 3.0 WAR in 106 games in 2019, about 2/3 of a season, while playing mostly CF.
The 44th ranked prospect overall in MLB that was in AA.
Another top 15 prospect in the Dodgers system that was MLB ready and in an area of need for the Red Sox.
It also required the Dodgers to take on $48 in salary for a pitcher that they knew would not play in 2020 and who would be a reliever when he returned in 2021.
So let’s look at what that would mean for the Yankees.
Since the Padres don’t have any large salaries they want to dump like the Red sox did with Price, increase the prospect/player return by that level of value.
Start with Volpe as the headliner. Then add 2 top 100 prospects that are at least in AA, and at least one mid-level prospect like Warren and Wells that are at positions of need for the Padres or a lottery ticket like Mayea instead of one of those last two. Then add in taking on a guy like Carpenter and his $5.5 million in salary.
Do you think the Yankees will do that for Soto?
No.
Not a good comp
Perfect comp.
Yes.
You won’t even get 5 years of Volpe for one year of Soto. I’d make a substantial wager on that. As a Yankee-hater, I would love to see the NYY do that, but it ain’t happening.
I would make a substantial wager that without him that no trade would happen to the Yankees. Otherwise, the Yankees do not have any other elite prospects. Not even one and it will take more than one.
The talks between the two teams never even proceeded to the GM’s talking to each other, so it’s a moot point.
Soto only turns it on when it suits him. I hope the Pads get rid of him.
Stop with the “Stanton for Soto” nonsense.
No other team wants the old, brittle former Marlin.
When you bring your car to Pep Boys, you don’t ask to buy a flat tire or worn-out brake pads.
In a few years, after Soto signs that 15-year extension, the Padres might be happy to offload him for whatever’s left on the Stanton contract.
I was only commenting on someone else’s post.
For the right return and if both sides are filling a huge need on their team.,
lots of trades happen that you wouldn’t expect to happen.\
The Padres would probably prefer younger players in the majors and major league ready to help them compete for the playoffs in the much tougher NL West
with the rise of the Dbacks, the Dodgers, and the Giants intending to be strong contenders in the near future.
But yet, the Padres aren’t looking to cut payroll, we are told.
The reports on whether the Padres cut payroll or continue to exceed the luxury tax threshold appear to be conflicting.
No one knows the exact answer to that.
Perhaps, even the Padres Ownership is going back and forth on that issue
with one week thinking about cutting payroll
and the next week thinking about keeping payroll at maximum levels to
“go all in” on getting to the World Series.
The Padres had over 3,000,000 in attendance last year (3.2M?!).
I read that the average cost for a Padres game for a family of 4 is $238.00
Half the fans spend a least double that amount.
With those attendance figures, team revenues can easily blow past 300M per year not even counting local TV and shared National TV revenues with MLB.
They may have some team debt service that financed the team purchase and other expenses.
But, there is a path to spending right up to the luxury tax and going beyond it some years especially with extra revenues if they make the playoffs.
Yes finally! Andujar Frazier delvi Garcia for soto!
Maybe the Rays could trade the immoral immortal Wander Franco for Juan Soto straight up?
San Diego might consider that. Franco is a shortstop after all, so they could put him anywhere.
Padres have made a lot of bad trades in the last few years. I think any Soto trade, that’s not a clear win for them would be seen as bad, because of that.
Trades…albeit good trades aren’t supposed to be about a team “winning” the trade…..sounds a bit like Pittsburg used to look at trades in the past…..both teams need to bleed a bit but get what they deem to need going forward……Unless SD can sign him long term, or the trading team, like the Yankees are “sure” they will sign him long term, the return back to the Padres isn’t going to be that outstanding for potentially a 1 year rental…..
@rocky7 Why not? All of the surplus value with Soto comes in 2024.
Rocky – finally someone else saying what I’ve been saying for years. Trades do not have to be win or lose except in the mind of fans looking with the benefit of retrospective eyes.
Most trades are short term ML to help playoff team for down the road suspects (some call them prospects) that can’t help the ML playoff team anyway. It takes years sometimes to even accurately measure even retrospectively.
Fact: A roster full of all-stars doesn’t guarantee a winning team. Example: Arizona DBacks. Chemistry is much more important.
Are they a winning team though? Or are they a .500 team that just happened to have a good couple weeks?
IF
) time to change your screen name, unless you’re referring to people from the county of India
2) the Padres scored more runs. The Padres allowed fewer runs. The Padres were better than the DBacks, so this is a pretty bad example to support your assertion
You gotta ask. It would be professional malpractice not to “check in.”
I’ll even add that you can also put it out in the media that you took a call just to see how many other / better call you can generate. It’s all about having an open mind to see what develops – maybe even stirring the pot to make it develop.
The one thing about Preller that is for sure, don’t bet on him to do nothing.
Yankees know it will take Volpe and a lot more to make that trade happen. The best comparable us the Betts trade. Are they really. going to trade away their future for one year of Soto?
@Indianfan- hey never change your screen name. There is a major principle involved here. Indianfan sounds better then Guardianfan. Lol.
Clay Holmes (replace Hader) and one of the Yankees 3 OF prospects ranked in the 70’s seems fair to me.
The Yankees do have some interesting young prospects and players on the team
that the Padres would be interested in: .
Jones, Dominquez, Pereira (at least one from ths list who can play in MLB now
or is very close to playing in MLB)
At least one of their young starters who is either already playing in their MLB Rotation
or who will be ready to play in the Padres rotation in 24.
That would get the conversation started.
Then, they can discuss which others can be included in the deal.
What this article is really saying is Cashman was doing his due diligence and reached out to ask Preller if he was looking to trade Soto. Preller said no. End of conversation.
Or Cashman reached out and said what would it take? Preller said Volpe, Jones, Dominguez, Warren, and Mayea and you take back Carpenter and Cashman said no.
Or some variation of that.
Soto is going to be so expensive to trade for that I doubt too many teams gt past the first few seconds of a call about him. There is simply no good hitters on the market other than Ohtani and he is a 24 year old who is an even better hitter so the Padres can ask for the moon and stars for him.
The comps to the Red Sox trading Betts are realistic. Two players in the top 50 or better prospects and an MLB ready, 45-50 FV prospect that plays a position the Padres need. The difference is the Padres don’t have a Price they need to dump in a trade for Soto.
Cashman never even talked to Preller.
“the Yankees checked in on Soto, though sources noted those discussions haven’t actually taken place between GMs.”
the infield chalk painter in NY asked the hotdog vendor in SD about Soto
Let’s be honest: the Padres are looking to compete next year and will not trade Soto for spare parts. He will be traded if the Padres find a trade that makes them a better team. The Padres need quality MLB ready pitching. The Yankees do not have that. I suppose the Padres MIGHT settle for something like Schmidt and Warren, both below average but could give the Padres innings, if a true quality prospect, like Jones if the Padres believe in him, is included. Any of that is a long ways off.
The Padres undoubtedly will not take the first offer. They will get many offers. They will choose the best offer or they won’t trade him. I can pretty much guarantee that he won’t be traded for anything less that 1 top 100 prospect THAT THEY BELIEVE IN who plays either OF or P, along with some lesser quality backfill for the other position.
Teams like Seattle and a few others line up much better with the Padres needs but you never know.
There IS no Soto trade that makes the Padres a better team. At least not in 2024. If the trade makes the Padres a better team by extension it makes the other team a worse team. Why would they make their team worse for 2024 when they are only getting back a 1-year guy? What sense does that make? Christ, the Padres didn’t even do that the first time they traded for Soto. Their package was hefty but it was all prospects/post-prospects.
Quite the contrary.
There are teams that have top, young players and prospects ready to play in the majors and have an immediate impact, but are blocked by starters at the major league level.
D Backs have rookies and young players who carried them to the World Series.
Baltimore has tons of top level prospects backed up in AAA and AA.
Orioles could make a decision to clear out a few players either in the majors or in their backup lots in the pipeline who would be starting in MLB on many other teams for a shot at a World Series Title.
Ditto with the Rays.
Seattle has some of those players also.
Again. The Padres didn’t even trade the Nats players that would make them a better team during Soto’s remaining club control years so why would you expect some other team to do it now when he only has 1 year of control left. A team that is trading for Soto is trying to win a title NOW so they are not going to trade players that will help a team NOW. You are asking for a team to make themselves worse in 2024 to trade for one guy who can be a free agent after 2024 LOL.
There may be some deal or deal(s) out there that make the Padres
a better contender in 2024.
Soto to XYZ team
Padres get back a young LF or CF, and a young starting pitcher for their rotation, plus
some other young players for their bullpen and bench to make up for their Closer walking.
Top SS prospect Jackson Merrill could be up by June and fit @ SS , 2B or OF.
Bogaerts could be moved to 2B or LF
Money saved by dealing Soto (30M+ in arbitration)
Could be used to upgrade @1b/DH/back up catcher (Sanchez?)
And, Padres could also add another (2nd) starting pitcher.
The Padres are not going to give Soto away.
They will only deal him if the deal makes the team better in the short and long term.
1)Tatis Jr RF or CF
2) Kim 2B /1B
3) Machado 3 B
4) JD Martinez DH (FA)
5) Bogaerts 2B (or LF)/SS
6) Campusano C
7) Cronenworth 1B (or FA/trade & Jake becomes utility/bench guy)
8 Trade CF/LF/RF
9)Jackson Merrill SS/2B/LF or RF
Unless, the Padres can get major league ready talent either on a major league team now or blocked in AAA AA by another player in the majors, but who are ready to step up and play well @ the major league level,
then I, suspect, the Padres will just hold onto Soto and take their chances
with the extra draft pick
There is no Soto trade that makes the Padres better in the short term. You are subtracting a 5 WAR guy if you trade Soto. And teams aren’t going to trade a package of players that are controllable and will put up 5 WAR in 2024 for one guy who they would only control for 1 year.
All the interested Presidents of Baseball Ops and GMs are lining up their potential deals now so they can be ready for the various league Winter meetings.
Soto’s availability and what it would take to land him this winter
are topics on the table of every Front Office that has interest in Soto(at least a dozen).
Preller has stated that he will do the best thing for the Padres and that could be by trading him if, as is his agent Boros’s “MO”, Boros is advising his clients to wait it out for free agency and public auction instead of signing with his present team at this time.
The “Hot Stove League” should be interesting.
Many in the industry believe that Soto will be traded, again, this winter.
It may work for the Padres if they can get at least 2 top young major league players or close to the major leagues with huge upside potential.+ other valuable players in the deal
That the Red Sox accepted such a low ball, one sided offer for Betts, should not affect this New potential Soto trade that is expected to surpass the lowball
offer the Dodgers made for Mookie Betts.
Lesser skilled Front Office people (not named Dave Dombrowski)
and lesser experienced personnel grossly mismanaged and botched
the negotiations for the Red Sox in the Mookie Betts deal to the Dodgers.
The Betts trade was fine. Betts was always going to leave and Alex Verdugo has been alright in Boston.
Mariners trade Kelenic and Miller for Doto?
Mariners trade Kelenic and Miller for Soto?
MF
Baseball Trade Values is a useful site to see if a trade is in the ballpark
It rates Soto as 22 million in value
It rates Miller as 26 and Kelenic as 13 million
So, it would say that that is s pretty large overpay by the Mariners
I can’t see a Soto trade whatsoever.
1-Preller won’t get back half of what he gave up, and I am not sure he is prepared to do so.
2-The $30M you save by dealing Soto won’t make up for hole in the lineup created by his loss. Trading him might not get them below the $237M tax line, so that motive is suspect.
3-The Padres have prospects, so the allure of even more prospects is not overly attractive.
Read this today. “the Yankees checked in on Soto, though sources noted those discussions haven’t actually taken place between GMs.”
Says a lot about how much BS is passed off as a rumor about possible trades.
The Yankees offense needs more than just Soto.
The future is uncertain at C, 1B, 3B, SS, and LF.
Soto would solve LF. Wells is probably the foreseeable option at C, but does he go the route of Posada or that of Sanchez?
Who is going to replace Rizzo longterm?
Is Volpe going to improve offensively to keep the SS position?
Are they going to give Peraza the 3B job and is he going to hit better?
How much longer will Stanton be a burden as he ages?
Lots of uncertainty and a single get like Soto is not fixing the Yankees offensive issues.
Landing Bellinger along with Soto will solve two problems. Bellinger can man center without rushing Dominguez back too soon. When Dominguez is ready Bellinger can replace Rizzo at 1st. This tandem of moves solves 3 problems; LF, CF, and 1B.
The Yankees are sticking with Volpe as the future. A huge media debacle will occur if they don’t and Hal loves his image.
I believe in Peraza and a strong and able hitting coach could unlock his potential, but it’s still a gamble.
Bottom line is Soto, as great as he is, won’t fix the Yankees.