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Rays Rumors: Glasnow, Ramirez, Margot

By Steve Adams | November 13, 2023 at 12:37pm CDT

The Rays head into the 2024 season with a projected franchise-record payroll north of $125MM — a stark increase from previous highwater marks in the $80MM range. President of baseball operations Erik Neander said a month ago that the team is capable of and open to trotting out a new record mark, although there’s a stark difference between broadcasting the ability to increase payroll to some unspecified extent and projecting for about a 50% increase over their previous record.

Unsurprisingly, that’s thrust several notable Rays players into the rumor mill. Chief among them is ace Tyler Glasnow, who’s set to earn $25MM in 2024 before reaching free agency. Both Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic and Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times have written in the past 24 hours on the potential of a Glasnow trade at some point this offseason. As Rosenthal points out, the Rays figure to extend a qualifying offer to Glasnow following the ’24 season if he’s not traded, and the potentially recouped draft pick will factor into what already figures to be a lofty asking price.

The Rays will be able to hold out for a larger return, knowing they’d have another opportunity to shop Glasnow at the trade deadline if their season goes south. Even if they hold onto Glasnow for the whole year, the draft pick they pick up would likely come at the end of the first round of the ’25 draft. They’d need a trade package to outweigh not only a full season of Glasnow but also a draft pick around No. 30. Similarly, any team acquiring Glasnow in the offseason would be acquiring the right to make that QO themselves. The compensatory pick another club would receive for qualifying Glasnow would be dependent on that team’s revenue-sharing and luxury-tax statuses, but it’ll clearly factor into valuing a Glasnow package for both the Rays and potential trade partners.

At the time Glasnow signed his extension in 2022, it was genuinely surprising to see him ink a deal that bought out just one free-agent year — even as he was recovering from Tommy John surgery. Glasnow spoke candidly about how Tampa Bay was where he wanted to be. Any player signing a long-term deal with the Rays likely does so knowing that an eventual trade is a possibility, however.

Glasnow’s first full season back from Tommy John surgery was hampered by an oblique injury, although he still posted 120 good innings: 3.53 ERA, 33.4% strikeout rate, 7.6% walk rate, 51.2% ground-ball rate. Fielding-independent metrics like FIP (2.91) and SIERA (3.08) felt he pitched quite a bit better than his earned run average would otherwise indicate. With 120 innings under his belt and more than two years elapsed since his surgery, it stands to reason that there won’t be many (if any) innings restrictions on Glasnow in 2024.

There’s no indication a Glasnow trade is close or even necessarily likely. Interest in him will persist so long as he remains with the Rays, as their payroll situation is obvious and demand for high-end rotation help is always strong. For the time being, however, a far more pressing trade candidate could be right-handed slugger Harold Ramirez, whom Topkin suggests is a candidate to change hands with this week’s deadlines to set 40-man rosters prior  to the Rule 5 Draft (Tuesday) and to tender contracts to arbitration-eligible players (Friday).

The 29-year-old Ramirez doesn’t bring much defensive value to the table, having operated primarily as a designated hitter this past season. He’s logged time at first base and in both outfield corners in the past, though he hasn’t graded out all that well. However, Ramirez also slashed a robust .313/.353/.460 this season and is projected by MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz to earn a reasonable $4.4MM salary in 2024.

The Rays control Ramirez for another two seasons, but they’re already a heavily right-handed team and might want to open some more flexibility at the designated hitter spot. There’s also the question of whether Ramirez can be expected to repeat this past season’s career-best production. The bulk of his damage came against lefties, whom he tattooed at a ridiculous .387/.411/.555 clip — but that was with the benefit of a sky-high .447 average on balls in play. That’ll be tough to repeat, though Ramirez’s knack for putting the ball in play (career 17.8% strikeout rate) has helped him maintain a lifetime .289 average in the big leagues. He doesn’t supplement that with many walks or all that much power, but he’s a clearly a talented hitter who could pique the interest of any club looking for a righty bat to plug into its first base/corner outfield/DH mix.

Along those same lines, Topkin lists Manuel Margot as a possible trade candidate. The fleet-footed outfielder has previously graded as a plus defender across all three spots, though last year’s defensive grades took a dip after he missed most of the 2022 season due to patellar tendon strain in his right knee. The righty-swinging Margot turned in a .264/.310/.376 slash in 2023 and is slated to earn $10MM in 2024 — the final season of his contract.

Margot could draw interest from clubs looking for a right-handed bat to play across the outfield — particularly if an interested party believes that his defensive ratings will tick back up the further removed he is from that significant knee injury. To be clear, Margot didn’t necessarily grade as a poor outfielder, but last year’s -3 Defensive Runs Saved and +3 Outs Above Average were well shy of the respective marks of 13 and 16 that he posted in his last full, healthy season (2021).

Margot’s production at the plate last year aligned almost perfectly with his broader marks in four seasons with the Rays, for whom he’s been a .264/.317/.375 hitter. In particular, Margot has been a thorn in the side of left-handers, posting a career .281/.341/.420 line when holding the platoon advantage. The Rays have several other outfield options (e.g. Randy Arozarena, Jose Siri, Josh Lowe, Ramirez, Greg Jones) and a knack for finding undervalued bats on the trade market, which could make them all the more willing to move Margot for future pieces while simultaneously paring back payroll in a meaningful way.

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  1. BranAust

    2 years ago

    What about Wander Franco? Any updates?

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    • vtadave

      2 years ago

      Seems like they’d have included that if there were any update.

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      • Tom the ray fan

        2 years ago

        He’s just trying to stay out of jail.

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        • Hemlock

          2 years ago

          > He’s just trying to stay out of jail.

          Aren’t we all?

          Deservedly or otherwise.

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    • agentx

      2 years ago

      The cold silence regarding Franco suggests to me that he probably will not be “ready for Spring Training.”

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    • THEY LIVE!!!

      2 years ago

      A name change might be a good start. Something less odious like Fidel Castro.

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      • Bob Lablah

        2 years ago

        Or maybe Filipe Rivero Jr.

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  2. Tom the ray fan

    2 years ago

    It’s inevitable we trade Glasnow.

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    • acoss13

      2 years ago

      History indicates that is the case. Glasnow will get traded for some pitching prospects, and within the year, they’ll be Major League ready starters. The Rays can develop the heck out of their young players.

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      • Guest500

        2 years ago

        Or be busts like the Snell trade.

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    • roob

      2 years ago

      Probably a lot of teams excited to get those 13 starts per season.

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      • mp2891

        2 years ago

        Such a tired dig at Glas…. You don’t like him, fine., but the Rays won’t have any trouble trading him.

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    • Ejoey

      2 years ago

      What would you want from the Tigers?

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      • Rsox

        2 years ago

        Parker Meadows

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        • mp2891

          2 years ago

          Parker Meadows doesn’t have enough value to carry a Glasnow trade by himself. Plus, the Rays are pretty well set in the outfield, even if they trade Margot and Ramirez. I can’t see the Rays asking for Meadows.

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      • mp2891

        2 years ago

        Madden and Dingler for Glasnow would be my asking price

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    • LordD99

      2 years ago

      It’s inevitable you trade everyone who is good.

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      • acoss13

        2 years ago

        LordD99

        Especially the Rays when a guy has one year of control left and has a hefty price tag attached to him.

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        • Unclemike1525

          2 years ago

          I think the Rays are all bluster about wanting a big package back for Glasnow. I think they’ll take the equivalent of the draft pick they’d get back for him to save the 25 million bucks. Cubs will give you Arias( #12) prospect back for him and save you 25 million bucks. Who says no?

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        • mp2891

          2 years ago

          You are assuming there won’t be much demand for Glasnow, which is likely 100% wrong. It really doesn’t matter if the whole world knows the Rays want to trade Glasnow if Glasnow is a rare commodity in high demand by multiple teams. Arias is a total nonstarter. Ben Brown gets the Rays interested.

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        • Unclemike1525

          2 years ago

          Then you can keep the piece of glass. Horton , Brown and Ferris aren’t going anywhere for one year of a China Doll. Arias is a big enough risk.

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        • mp2891

          2 years ago

          UncleMike – That’s fine. There will be huge demand for Glasnow and the Rays won’t have trouble moving him. Rays aren’t shopping him hat in hand begging for table scraps (and that’s all Arias is).

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        • Unclemike1525

          2 years ago

          mp2891-Unless I’ve had a stroke recently, There isn’t going to be a great demand for a 25 million dollar P that hardly ever pitches. And without eating at least half of that, There won’t be any prospects coming back either. At least not what you’re expecting. Teams don’t pay AND give up prospects. It’s one or the other. And you’re not exactly selling to half of the League. You’re mostly looking at 4 or 5 teams willing to pay that for him. Get a grip dude.

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        • mp2891

          2 years ago

          UncleMike – I’ve said my piece on Glasnow. All his injuries prior to 2023 were arm related that required TJS to fix, which he and the Rays wanted to avoid. Now that he has finally had the surgery, I don’t think he’s likely to suffer the same number of injuries going forward. You’re welcome to disagree and wait for proof. Of course, if I’m right and he has a good 2024, Glasnow could have a CYA on his mantle next year and be seeking a $200MM deal on the open market. If a team sees it like I do, and trades for him, only to watch him pitch just 100 IP, well, the risk is a 1 year mistake. That’s a lot better than the Rangers deal with deGrom, the Mets deal with Scherzer, and countless other deals for top pitching. Because in case you missed it, when Glasnow is healthy, he puts up 1s and 2s in his ERA, FIP, xFIP, xERA, not mid 3s and 4s. Those guys are INCREDIBLY rare, and teams pay through the nose for them.

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        • Unclemike1525

          2 years ago

          mp2891- No problem you’re entitled to your opinion. I just know the Rays and I believe they gave Glasnow that 25 million to keep him happy, And never intending to ACTUALL pay it themselves. But I bet we’ll find out by Dec 10 or so when the winter meetings are over. Because after that All the teams will have made their big payroll decisions like usual. If Glasnow throws a pitch for the Rays in 2024 I’ll be glad to admit I was wrong.

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        • mp2891

          2 years ago

          Wait a minute, I’m not saying I think the Rays will keep Glasnow in 2024. I think they would have if they didn’t lose 3 starters to year plus injuries and whatever is going on with Franco right now, but they did and that changed their plans. I fully expect Glasnow to be traded now, and I think he will return a decent trade package. Not a Snell/Archer trade package, but 2-3 good prospects or young players.

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        • Bob Lablah

          2 years ago

          I agree but I think they trade him during the season at the deadline. I can see him staying until Springs/Rasmussan come back which is about that time. Depending on where they are they might actually keep him or try to get something for him. Not a bad plan either way.

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        • Unclemike1525

          2 years ago

          That’s not gonna happen. he’ll either be traded before the season or they keep him all year. Any team that trades for him will want the QO option which is over if he’s traded mid season. Then both teams lose.

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        • Guest500

          2 years ago

          They’ll get something but some Ray fans might think thats it? Once they see the trade. Glasnow will have a 25M salary next year, fangraphs has his highest valued season in dollars at 25.2 million. Meaning his 2024 salary of 25 gives him no surplus value as if he was prearb making 760K. The trading team is already paying dollar value for his production. So its gonna be a trade just to have him swtich teams with no surplus value coming back. A couple guys in the 12 to 20 range in prospect rankings would be a good get.

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  3. JoeBrady

    2 years ago

    I’m not sure that Glasnow will get the package the writers are expecting. He’s good, and I hope my RS get him, but he has a career high of 120 IPs, with a bill of $25M. That’s going to cut out a large chunk of the market.

    And I think Margot has little value. His WAR and price tag are going in opposite directions.

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    • Fernando P

      2 years ago

      Agreed. Rays want to factor in where their compensation pick is (end of first round), but most suitors for Glasnow get a compensation pick after the FOURTH around. That, plus having to pay 25M (and Rays saving that 25M) is something to factor in trade.

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    • PattheBat

      2 years ago

      Yeah his value is almost negative. I wouldn’t give up anything for a year of that guy

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      • mp2891

        2 years ago

        LOL. This comment is going to age very poorly

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    • Big whiffa

      2 years ago

      Glasnow and ramirez for a mayer headliner makes sense for both clubs.

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      • Fernando P

        2 years ago

        An Oscar Mayer

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    • Chicken In Philly?

      2 years ago

      Teams pay $20 million for 120 innings from ace pitchers today. $35 million if they think they’ll throw 180 innings. Look at Kershaw, deGrom, Verlander, etc. If Glasnow is traded, they’ll get more than one prospect. I get his injury history, but he’s probably never been more valuable than the next two seasons. Teams don’t look exclusively at the past; they project future performance. He’s been predicted to be a CY Young candidate for years. Maybe that’s 2024?

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    • MLB-1971

      2 years ago

      Thank God Glasnow is not on the Red Sox as ‘fans’ on this site would complain non stop for the next 5 years.

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    • mp2891

      2 years ago

      JoeBrady – You’re ignoring the fact that all of Glasnow’s injuries prior to 2023 were arm related, that only TJS would fix that problem, that the Rays and Glasnow intentionally put off surgery as long as possible (resulting in missed time every year), and that now that the surgery is behind him, he’s likely to pitch without further injury going forward (or no more so than any other pitcher). The fact that he pitched 133 IP last year (with minors included) suggests he can pitch a full season in 2024. Oh yeah, he outpitched Snell the 2023 CYA winner in every metric but ERA, so he’s an Ace and the demand for him will be huge. Plus, his tax hit is only $15MM, which is huge for clubs looking to avoid the CBT.

      Look at it like this – Teams can pay Snell $200MM, Nola and others around $150MM or trade a few prospects to the Rays and get the best pitcher available in Glasnow, without the financial commitment the free agents require and with a draft pick coming back the following year if the team can’t extend Glasnow.

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      • Blue Baron

        2 years ago

        @mps2891: You sure he’ll pitch without further injury?

        Bear in mind that Jacob deGrom, Walker Buehler, Shane McClanahan, Dustin May, Chris Paddack, Drew Rasmussen, and Hyun Jin Ryu have all required TJS a second time.

        The path back to injury-free success is not always linear or even possible.

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        • mp2891

          2 years ago

          Blue Baron – I don’t think the risk of Glasnow injuring himself is any higher than it is for most pitchers. Injuries happen. Like a lot of pitchers in 2023, he suffered an oblique injury that took a couple months to heal. However, once Glasnow joined the Rays in 2023, he pitched without issue for the rest of the season, putting in the 120 IP the Rays originally planned to limit him to because of TJS. Is a 2nd TJS a risk in his future? Sure it is. He throws hard and is a major league pitcher. But most pitchers get several years of health before undergoing a 2nd TJS. I don’t see why Glas would be any different (and this discussion is only about 2024, not signing him long term).

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          Fair enough.

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  4. Hit Me A Tater

    2 years ago

    Glasgow and Ramirez for Busch, Grove and Carta

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    • Joel P

      2 years ago

      Seems like a pretty good trade for both teams. Busch seems like a Rays type of guy. The Rays need young pitching. And the Dodgers need top of the rotation pitching and can afford Glasnow who is also from California. Yeah I like it.

      Dodgers also need a DH type too. Well thought out proposal

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      • Blue Baron

        2 years ago

        Not if they sign Ohtani or bring back JD Martinez.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          I don’t see Martinez coming back. Yes if they sign Ohtani it doesn’t make as much sense. And if that last name was Cartaya yeah I would leave him out of the deal. But the trade makes sense for both teams for sure.

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          @Joel P: You have no idea what they would do viz. Martinez if they don’t sign Ohtani.

          And there’s a good chance the Dodgers wouldn’t want Glasnow’s contract.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          I don’t think they bring Martinez back. And if anyone can afford 25 million for a potential ace with a giant injury history it’s the Dodgers. He’s from the area. Glasnow makes plenty of sense for the Dodgers.

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          But how do you know they wouldn’t bring Martinez back?

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          I don’t know if I will wake up tomorrow. But I don’t think they bring Martinez back…….

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          Why?

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        • Pads Fans

          2 years ago

          With Kershaw out at least the 1st half of the season and Urias gone the Dodgers are going to be looking for TOR pitching and Glasnow when healthy is a TOR starter.

          $25 million is not that much money to a team like the Dodgers even if they only get 20-22 starts from him. He is a huge upgrade from guys like Grove, Sheehan, and Stone.

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          Not if he’s injured.

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        • THEY LIVE!!!

          2 years ago

          Muncy extended 2 years is why JD signs elsewhere. There;s also the outside possibility the Dodgers sign Ohtani.

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        • THEY LIVE!!!

          2 years ago

          ALL pitchers are injury risks including Glasnow.

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        • Pads Fans

          2 years ago

          He is healthy now.

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        • mp2891

          2 years ago

          Blue Baron – Glasnow’s contract is perfectly set up for the Dodgers. It’s a 1 year commitment of $25MM, which is below market for an Ace (hell, even a good #2). If the Dodgers sign Ohtani and he returns to pitching, they can swap Ohtani for Glasnow in 2025. Plus, the tax hit on Glasnow’s contract is only $15MM in 2024, which will surely appeal to the Dodgers who are going over the CBT next year for sure if they sign Ohtani. And lets not forget that Glasnow would be the #1 arm on their team, and every team gets better when they add a #1 and push everyone else down the ladder.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          Tax hit will be 25 million not 15. I looked this up a while back.

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          @mp2891: That sounds like it’s perfectly set up for many teams.

          Lots of teams need pitching. Why single out the Dodgers?

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          I think he’s a great fit for the Dodgers. They can afford the salary. He’s from the area. They have the depth to cover the innings if and when he gets hurt. They aren’t a marginal playoff team that needs everything they can get in the regular season to get in so they can afford him missing a month or 2 if he’s ready for the postseason. And they need a top of the rotation starter.

          I think Glasnow makes sense for a few teams but he makes the most sense for the Dodgers. Get him sign Ohtani then they can sign either Glasnow or Buehler next year let the other one go and insert Ohtani in his place.

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          Got it, you’re a Dodger fan.

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        • Unclemike1525

          2 years ago

          He’s a good fit for a lot of teams. Cubs could use him. Heck they were willing to pay Stroman 21 million for 1 more season without knowing if he’d hold up. What’s another 4 million for way better stuff and just as much injury risk? The Cubs have some lower level arms to offer that would be better than the draft pick the Rays would get back. Arias is a guy who comes to mind as the Cubs would probably prefer to trade him than to protect him having a few guys to protect. Plus it would save the Rays 25 million bucks. As for paying any more in Minor league arms the Cubs would be better off seeing if they could get Cease back from the Sox.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          Cardinal fan. I think he’s a decent fit for the Cardinals but they won’t want to pay him that much. Great fit for the Dodgers they have roughly 100 million to spend this offseason and they need pitching.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          I don’t know if the Cubs have the depth to cover the starts that Glasnow is inevitably going to miss. I think the Dodgers would be better prepared for that. I think the Cubs need more of an innings eater type. Montgomery maybe. Bieber maybe.

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        • THEY LIVE!!!

          2 years ago

          @Blue Baron
          I am a Dodger fan. I assume you’re a Met fan?

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        • Unclemike1525

          2 years ago

          Joel- Then you have zero idea what’s in the Cubs system.

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          Yes. But I grew up and live in Brooklyn, exactly 1.4 miles from the site of Ebbets Field, and I have eaten Dodger Dogs at Dodger Stadium.

          Come to think of it, Glasnow would be a great fit for the Mets as well.

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          @THEY LIVE!!!: And I met Tommy Lasorda at the 1992 Winter Meetings and Fred Claire at the 1993 Hall of Fame game in Cooperstown and exchanged holiday cards with him for several years thereafter. Very nice man.

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        • mp2891

          2 years ago

          You sure about that? He signed a 2/$30MM extension.

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        • mp2891

          2 years ago

          LOL… Because the Dodgers were the team you were talking about..

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          LOL. Actually, I think Joel P and some other Dodger fans hijacked the thread.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          I have a really good idea what’s in the Cubs system. I am not going to sit here and tell you how great Liberatore, Thompson, Graceffo and Mcgreevy are. So I dont want to hear you tell me how great Assad, Wisnewski, Brown and Wicks are.

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        • Unclemike1525

          2 years ago

          Joel-But I’ve watched them pitch all year on the MLB Network in the Minor League system. So I’ve seen them pitch. And Wesneski, Wicks and Assad are all in the Majors and Brown and Horton are real close and ranked in the top 100 prospects still.. Liberatore is like the Yeti. He may be real or he may not be, I’ve been hearing about him forever without a sighting. Funny the one guy I have seen pitch is Hence who you didn’t even mention. So I can only assume the others you mentioned are Bigfeet also. I guess that’s why the Cardinals are looking for a whole rotation, And the Cubs are looking for one guy. But keep swinging. You might hit something yet.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          Dude you want to talk like that I will put you on mute. Zach Thompson had a better FIP in 2023 than any of those Cubs pitchers you named. Sure they have potential like I said so do the Cardinals guys but they are all unproven. I don’t give a flying you know what who you have seen pitch. I watch Cardinal minor league games. Wicks and Mcgreevy are quite similar I promise you that. Not gonna insult the Cubs players just because I root for the Cardinals thats lame.

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        • Unclemike1525

          2 years ago

          You can mute me if you want but it won’t stop me from answering your posts. Except you’ll be the only one in the dark. When you mute someone it’s just proof your arguments are lame and indefensible. You were the kid who used to say, If you don’t stop I’m telling mom! Right? Do as you will. LMAO. He’s gonna mute me. Oh my.

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          I know, right? I get muted all the time by people who don’t like the way I express my opinions.

          Nothing I can do about them, so it’s their problem.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          I am not here to argue with some Cubs fan who thinks all the Cubs prospects are great and no other team has good prospects.

          Good Lord man since when have the Cubs EVER been able to develop pitching? The Cardinals had a bad year the Cubs had a bad century.

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        • Unclemike1525

          2 years ago

          It’s like they think it matters. The facts are I can still see theirs. And I can comment on it. When everybody else chimes in they’ll be like Huh? Which is probably how they go through life. I wonder if at their job at the Mini Mart if they don’t like what the customer says or orders do they like, Put their hand up? Like Stop! I’ve been on this site for years and never had the need to mute anyone. Don’t worry Baron, You and I don’t always see eye to eye but that’s what it’s all about right? You defend your opinion and I defend mine and we get a chuckle or not? I know lot’s of Cardinal fans who are rational and intelligent and I bet all of them read that post and went oh crap, He’s not with us. It’s OK, When he graduates Junior High he’ll learn. Maybe. LOL

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          What I don’t get is why people make everything so personal. I guess that’s the internet.

          I constantly get called names like belligerent, arrogant, and snarky.

          First of all, I don’t understand what people think they accomplish with such name-calling or how they expect me to respond.

          It’s certainly not going to make me somehow change who I am, if that’s even possible.

          Second, they don’t realize that by accusing me of terrible behavior and calling me names for it, they’re just doing to me what they accuse me of doing to others.

          LOL.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          I have no problem reminding someone that I dont have to listen to what they say. If it doesn’t bother you as you claim then why are you talking about it?

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        • Unclemike1525

          2 years ago

          Because it’s lame. I mean you’re talking about how great your Minor League pitching is. Funny but your GM basically said with his last breath of the season that he basically is going to sign 3/5 of a rotation. So who’s right? I gotta go with Mozeliak on this one. Then you just keep digging yourself a bigger hole while somehow blaming me for your post. Huh? As far as the Cubs go I would be perfectly happy if the Cubs didn’t sign any FA SP’s and went with what they have. Steele, Tallion, Hendricks, Wicks and Smyly. Smyly blows but as a #5? There are worse. With Brown, Horton and Killian to step in. That’s not even counting Assad and Wesneski. That’s like 9 deep. However Hoyer seems intent on signing somebody. I’d be perfectly content if Hoyer filled out the bullpen and resigned Bellinger and got Hoskins on the same pillow deal Belli got last year. I would consider that a successful off season. Then they’d still have money to add at the deadline if needed. What’s your plan? Sounds like Mozeliak agrees with me.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          I didn’t say the minor league pitching of the Cardinals is great. I never said that. I said I could tell you how great they are but I won’t. Because it’s not true. Just like the Cubs minor league pitching being great is not true. Did you really not understand what I was saying there?

          The Cubs aren’t signing Bellinger and Hoskins under any scenario whatsoever.

          The Cardinals need 2 starting pitchers. They have depth but like the Cubs it’s not depth you want to rely on in April of 2024. The Cardinals need an ace and a number 2. Back end depth there is plenty of but 2 TOR guys is the need.

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        • Unclemike1525

          2 years ago

          Well both Hoyer and Mozeliak are both going to find out rather quickly that Aces, And TOR arms don’t grow on trees. Finding one would be an achievement for either team. But finding 2 will be impossible probably. You’re going to have to settle for 1 decent starter and a couple of comeback stories. Counting on those is Pitching Staff suicide but hey good luck to ya.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          I imagine you know more about bad pitching than I do so I will take your word for that.

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    • Mike_99

      2 years ago

      Leave cartaya out, that’s way over paying considering Glasgow is owed 25 mil next season. Grove, Busch and cartaya on rookie contracts with control

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    • PattheBat

      2 years ago

      No way LA does that

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  5. Joel P

    2 years ago

    Glasnow does not have the trade value that some think he does. 25 million for 1 year of a guy who has had injury after injury isn’t some great deal. I think you could make a case he’s worth 25 million in 2024. But he doesn’t have much if any surplus value.

    Look at Efflin. The Rays picked him up for half the annual salary Glasnow will make in 2024 and he pitched great. If you are the Rays you are probably thinking you can do that again. No way they want to pay Glasnow regardless of whatever they get back for him.

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    • acoss13

      2 years ago

      Glasnow is good, but yeah 25 million is a hefty price tag. I still want the Cubs to get him, they need a power pitcher even if at best he gets them 25 starts. I think someone will make an overpay though, pitching is too valuable especially for a guy like Glasnow.

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      • alwaysgo4two

        2 years ago

        The best thing about Glasnow that you may be forgetting is that the one year deal for a quality arm is actually an advantage. Not a lot of risk for a big market team. Sure, it will have an affect on the return but quality pitching is always in demand.

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      • Joel P

        2 years ago

        Yeah I think the Cubs will pick up a top end starter this offseason. You get Glasnow you minimize the long term risk as alwaysgo4two just said. The downside is that’s a lot of the budget for a guy with a nasty injury history.

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    • mp2891

      2 years ago

      Joel P – This post is going to age very poorly.

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      • Joel P

        2 years ago

        What part?

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        • mp2891

          2 years ago

          This part – Glasnow does not have the trade value that some think he does. 25 million for 1 year of a guy who has had injury after injury isn’t some great deal. I think you could make a case he’s worth 25 million in 2024. But he doesn’t have much if any surplus value.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          I think that will age just fine. If Glasnow has his best year ever in 2024 then fine. But that’s what it will take. And I don’t know why anyone would assume that will happen.

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        • mp2891

          2 years ago

          Joel P – I think Glasnow will have his best year next year. I’ve written why above.

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    • Unclemike1525

      2 years ago

      Joel-The Rays probably think that because they’ve been doing it and making it work since they came into the League.

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      • Joel P

        2 years ago

        Yeah the Rays knew the moment they gave Glasnow that backloaded contract they would trade him before the bill came due.

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  6. JerseyShoreScore

    2 years ago

    Glasnow is great at times, but $25 million for 120 IPs is a lot of money…. $200,000 per inning pitched. That is if he stays healthy to match or surpass his career high in innings pitched. If you could guarantee that he is healthy for the month of October, certainly worth it, but beyond that a bit risky to both surrender prospects and pay that salary.

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    • padam

      2 years ago

      Not disagreeing with you but you’re paying and investing for what he may do, not what he has done. What he’s done influences the decision, but isn’t necessarily the decision that will be made. For TG, he has a high ceiling and that’s what drives his interest vs. others that have been in a similar situation, like Thor for example.

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  7. Pads Fans

    2 years ago

    Glasnow to the Dodgers. He is from Santa Clarita, just up the Grapevine from LA.

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    • PattheBat

      2 years ago

      How long you been a detective bro

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      • Pads Fans

        2 years ago

        How long you been a d bag that refuses to even try to discuss baseball?

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    • Gomez

      2 years ago

      Often when a player becomes available speculation begins that the player will sign in his hometown. Is that a factor? I don’t think so, Money for FA’s and prospect return in trades is what really drives the process.

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      • Pads Fans

        2 years ago

        He is not a FA and him being from the area is a PR win for the Dodgers.

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  8. Braves360

    2 years ago

    A Rays/Braves fit seems natural. Braves seek #2/3 starter to slot between Strider/Fried and Morton and a RHH LF to hit at the bottom of the lineup. Since the Braves have interesting SP in the minors and intend to increase payroll I can see some $35m and quantity over quality prospects being a price they would pay for Glasnow and Morgot. As the Rays are happy with undervalued prospects with long/cheap control and the Braves have lots of AAAA SP prospects I’m sure they could find a package to make it work.

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    • Idosteroids

      2 years ago

      the guy makes about a dozen starts a season…is it really worth it?… I’m sure other teams will create better trade packages than a handful of AAAA prospects

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      • Braves360

        2 years ago

        Let me be clear, several of the pitchers the Braves shuttled between AAA and MLB would be 3/4/5 starters on many MLB teams. Shuster, Dodd, Soroka, and Vines in particular are all on the cusp of regular starts and are 24/25. Assuming there aren’t non-tenders in the group, there is also Winans, Smith-Shawver, Chirinos, Allard, and Anderson who would be trying for starts in the 2024 season. Any one of these pitchers need only take a step forward to become solid middle of the rotation arms with a floor of 4/5 on most teams.

        The Braves have the problem of too few starts at the MLB level to give developing arms a chance to settle in and high expectations for those who do get the ball. That’s a tough environment for young pitchers to develop and not enough opportunity to right the ship if something goes wrong.

        The Rays have one of the best pitching development teams in the league and are skilled at helping pitchers make the most of what they have. Their task would be to identify which of the group has the most potential and bring in the arms that give them the best shot at winning. The team hasn’t been wedded to any of the prospect rankings we see publicly so we can’t know who they value in advance.

        So what I proposed was letting the Rays find close to MLB pitching from a deep stable of young, cost controlled arms with MLB experience and options remaining. Glasnow is a big injury risk, expensive, and has one year of control. No way he commands a package with a top 100 type prospect headline given how many better bets are available in FA. I’d expect upside plays from high minors and a low minors sweetener. Margot has minimal value for similar reasons. Maybe if they hold till later and teams get desperate then an overpay will happen. I’d bet on an early trade for both teams given roster crunches and both team’s limited interest in FA markets.

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    • mp2891

      2 years ago

      Braves360 – AAAA pitchers won’t cut it, but a package of Owen Murphy, Cade Kuehler, and Spencer Schwellenbach gets it done for Glasnow.

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      • Braves360

        2 years ago

        I like how you listed the #3-5 braves top prospects from MLB.com in reverse order.

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        • mp2891

          2 years ago

          LOL – Give me a break. Schwellenbach is hard to spell.

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  9. THEY LIVE!!!

    2 years ago

    Glasnow is the perfect fit for the Dodgers. They’ll put him on the IL for three months & then activate him in the second half.

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  10. rememberthecoop

    2 years ago

    Glasnow & either Ramirez or Margot, plus a young IF’er to the M’s for Logan Gilbert.

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  11. kc38

    2 years ago

    You people on here crack me up… “glasnow isn’t worth that” “25m is too much for him”. You people clearly don’t pay attention to how much value contending teams put on pitching. A heathy glasnow is an ace and for big payroll teams that is well worth having especially on a 1 year deal so you aren’t tied to him if he does get hurt again. I would bet every single bigger market team in baseball is in on glasnow and isn’t gonna say oh that frontline ace isn’t worth $25m for one season lol…

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    • Joel P

      2 years ago

      I think he’s probably worth the 25 million. But more than that? If so not much more. Yes there is appeal to Glasnow but there is also a lot of risk. If Sonny Gray gets 25 million a year I think many teams would do that over 3 or 4 years instead of Glasnow. Again not saying he isn’t a high upside valuable pitcher. But I don’t think he has a lot of trade value.

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    • iml12

      2 years ago

      One year with Ace upside. There will be a lot of teams interested. I bet the return will be more than people think.

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      • Joel P

        2 years ago

        Again you can sign Gray who doesn’t have ace upside he’s simply an ace. And he will probably cost the same annually. Yes Gray is older and will require years and a draft pick. But if I am picking one guy for 2024 I pick Gray for sure.

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        • Big whiffa

          2 years ago

          Gray is not simply an ace. He just had his career year. I’ll take Glasnow over gray for next season all day.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          Gray is an ace. He’s top 3 in Cy Young for 2023. He’s top 20 in the last 3 years. He’s an ace. And Glasnow is also coming off a career year himself. Glasnow has ace potential. Gray is an ace.

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        • mp2891

          2 years ago

          Joel P. – You’re overselling it now. Sonny Gray is not an Ace. He has had a couple very good years, but his results are not consistently elite. Glasnow is not an Ace either, but only because he hasn’t been on the field enough. When he pitches, his results are Ace Level Elite. And I believe his injuries are behind him. He needed TJS to fix his arm and he has finally had TJS. Also, you’re ignoring the risk of TJS with S.Gray. He gets injured during the 24 season and he misses the next 2 seasons at a sunk cost of $40-50MM. Glas gets injured and the team just walks away from him. It’s easy to ignore that risk when it’s not yours to assume, but GMs pay attention to it.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          Gray has better career numbers than Glasnow does on a per inning basis. And most importantly Glasnow has never pitched more than 120 innings in a single season.

          I understand there is risk in giving someone a 3 or 4 year deal instead of 1 year I get that completely. What I said is if I had to choose 1 guy for 2024 I would choose Gray all day. He’s an ace. Glasnow is a potential ace.

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        • mp2891

          2 years ago

          Couple of things. First, I don’t look at the Pirates seasons when I’m looking at Glasnow. The Pirates didn’t know what to do with him. If you look at the Rays’ Years, you’ll see:

          2019 – ERA; FIP; xFIP and xERA – All begin with a 1 or 2 (e.g., 1.78 ERA)
          2020 – Not a good year for Glas. In and out with injuries all year
          2021 – ERA; FIP; xFIP and xERA – All begin with a 1 or 2
          2022 – Missed the year with TJS, pitching only the final 2 games of the year
          2023 – 1st year back from TJS – metrics were mid 3s and high 2s

          Now look at Gray. During the same 5 year span, Gray largely put up mid 3s across the board. He’s a good pitcher, but he doesn’t have the ceiling of an Ace and is largely incapable of putting up pitching metrics with 1s and 2s. Teams will pay up for the higher ceiling with Glasnow.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          How can you say Gray doesn’t have the ceiling of an ace when he’s top 3 in Cy Young votes for 2023? Come on man.

          Teams like high ceiling. They also like guys who show up when their name is called. Glasnows career high in innings is 120. Gray has AVERAGED over 150 innings a year over the last decade.

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        • mp2891

          2 years ago

          Cy Youngs are based on 1 year performances, while Aces are pitchers who consistently pitch better than all but about 5-10 pitchers year after year. Not every CYA winner is an Ace. I’m saying Glasnow can pitch like an Ace (1s and 2s across the board), while Gray pitches like a 2 or 3 (mostly 3s across the board). Gray is in the CYA discussion this year because of his ERA, which voters care about but is probably the least best way to judge a pitcher’s performance out of ERA/FIP/xFIP/xERA. All you have to do is look at Glasnow’s playoff game this year to see why. Every run came off a mistake in the field by his teammates, but because they weren’t all classified as “errors” (a stat that is so useless it should be retired), not all of the runs were tabbed “unearned”.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          How many pitchers are consistently in the top 10 of all pitchers year after year???

          That’s like maybe 5 guys. If you think there are 5 aces in MLB fine but that’s not what I consider the criteria for an ace.

          Gray is a top 20 pitcher in MLB. And that is an ace in my view. And Glasnow MIGHT be a top 20 guy but considering he’s never pitched over 120 innings I can’t call him an ace. An ace has to pitch more innings than that. And that’s Glasnows career high not an average that’s the most he’s ever pitched.

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        • mp2891

          2 years ago

          Mid 3s in pitching metrics is not an Ace in my opinion. Maybe he’s the #1 on his team and maybe he’s in the Cy Young discussion this year, but he’s not an Ace in my opinion.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          He’s a top 20 pitcher in baseball. Of he’s not an ace who is?

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    • Ma4170

      2 years ago

      Problem is “a healthy Glasnow” has never happened for a full year

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  12. Gumby82

    2 years ago

    FU Oakland A’s owner John Fisher!!! FU to eternal hell!!!!

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    • THEY LIVE!!!

      2 years ago

      I wish the A’s would sell to another owner who would move them to San Jose and to HELL with the Giants and their ‘territorial rights”!

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  13. THEY LIVE!!!

    2 years ago

    Ramirez and Margot have no trade value IMHO.

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    • Big whiffa

      2 years ago

      Whoever misses out on top pitchers in market will come w their tail to Tampa for Glasnow. They prob trade all 3 these guys, increase payroll, and still win 90+ games next year.

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      • THEY LIVE!!!

        2 years ago

        No argument here. Tampa always seems to put together a winning team year in and year out.

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        • Ma4170

          2 years ago

          Since 2018 yes

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    • mp2891

      2 years ago

      THEY LIVE – You’re right on Margot. You’re wrong on Ramirez. Ramirez just hit over .300 for the 2nd year in a row. He hit 119 wRC+ in 2022 and 128 wRC+ in 2023. According to Fangraphs, all but 5 teams got less than 128 wRC+ from the DH position in 2023. Hell, 8 didn’t even get 100 wRC+ from the DH position. Ramirez will make a lot of teams better and he doesn’t cost much. He has trade value for sure.

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  14. Bob Lablah

    2 years ago

    For some reason I just see the Braves getting him. They always zig when you think they should zag. Last offseason they completely surprised me. I think they’re going to do something big. I have no clue what prospects they have or could offer that would make sense???

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