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Minasian: Mike Trout “100 Percent” Not Getting Traded

By Darragh McDonald | December 5, 2023 at 12:50pm CDT

Angels general manager Perry Minasian spoke to the media at the Winter Meetings today, emphatically declaring that a Mike Trout trade is not happening, with Rhett Bollinger of MLB.com among those to pass along his comments. “Mike Trout is not getting traded,” Minasian said. “100 percent.”

There was never really any concrete reporting to suggest that a Trout trade was actually being considered, just speculation from outside observers. The argument for contemplating a trade was essentially that the club hasn’t been good enough in recent years, despite having both Trout and Shohei Ohtani on the same team. They haven’t had a winning season since 2015, haven’t made the postseason since 2014 and haven’t won a playoff game since 2009. With Ohtani now a free agent and perhaps signing elsewhere, it was suggested by some that the club should look to blow up the roster and start over.

But that is clearly not how the Halos are viewing things. Last month, Minasian made it clear that the club is not rebuilding and is actually planning on being aggressive this winter in adding to the roster. That may involve luring Ohtani back to Anaheim or perhaps pivoting to other notable transactions, but trading Trout doesn’t make sense in any scenario where the club is still trying to win in the short term.

Even if the club were to decide to make Trout available at some point down the road, there would be challenges in doing so. For one thing, Trout has a full no-trade clause and would therefore have to give the green light to any deal. Back in September, he spoke about how he intended to play for the Angels in 2024.

It’s also fair to wonder how much trade value he actually has at this point. Various injuries have limited him to 237 games played over the past three seasons, less than half of the club’s 486 contests for that time frame. He was able to get into 82 games in 2023, with a left hamate fracture wiping out much of his second half, but had diminished production when on the field. His batting line of .263/.367/.490 was still well above average, translating to a wRC+ of 134, but he had never previously had a wRC+ below 167 in a full season. He also hasn’t reached double-digit steals since 2019 and the advanced defensive metrics have been split on his glovework in recent years.

That’s not to say Trout isn’t still a very good player. FanGraphs still pegged him as being worth 3.0 wins above replacement in 2023, even with the drop from his own ridiculous standards and only playing half the year. But he’s now 32 years old with his health becoming a growing concern and he is still being paid at an elite level.

Trout’s contract still has seven more years on it with $248.15MM still to be paid out, a rate of $35.45MM per year through 2030. Even if the club decides to change their plans a year from now, he will still have six years and $212.7MM remaining, going into his age-33 season. Using MLBTR’s Contract Tracker to look at data going back to 2010, we can see that the largest guarantee secured by a player going into his age-33 season or older is Jacob deGrom’s $185MM deal from last offseason. Among position players, Josh Donaldson’s $92MM tops the list.

Unless Trout can suddenly return to total health and MVP-caliber production, there’s likely not any surplus value in the deal. Though he’s still a valuable player, it would be hard for him to secure this elite-level salary if he were on the open market. That means the Angels would either have to settle for a middling return to clear the money off the books or eat some cash in order to secure a more notable return. That figures to put the club in an awkward spot on terms of public relations with Trout having been the face of the franchise for so long, and that goes double if Ohtani also ends up leaving for another club this winter.

Ultimately, with the Angels set on competing, keeping Trout and hoping for a return to form is the most sensible option. The rest of the offseason will determine if his supporting cast will be stronger than it has been in recent years.

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  1. JerseyShoreScore

    2 years ago

    Translation: Mike Trout’s Contract is one of the worst in baseball and no team wants even a portion of it.

    Trout’s remaining skill, “Collecting Checks.”

    Trout’s last SEVEN seasons, ONE season of 140 games played…

    Not a misprint, ONE!

    Not getting healthier in his mid-30s.

    At least Anthony Rendon’s contract distracts from the albatross that is Trout’s contract!

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    • Jabronie23

      2 years ago

      It’s really not as bad as you think. Even though he hasn’t played a full season in awhile, he’s still really good when healthy. If the Angels ate like $70-80m, there would be some surplus value there

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      • CarverAndrews

        2 years ago

        As a Phils fan, the yearly “trade for Trout to bring him home shenanigans” were always entertaining. And ultimately unrealistic.

        Now that it might be possible due to the aging and injury curve and multiplied by the contractual albatross, it is too late to want to see it happen.

        Awesome guy; HoF for sure and one of the best of all-time…but I now hope that he finishes his career in LA. The thoroughly upside down nature of his deal makes me hope that this dream of Phillies fans will be put to rest forever.

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        • Hemlock

          2 years ago

          > As a Phils fan,

          Schwarber trade for Trout
          Lineup looking stout
          Nothing to think about
          World Series, no doubt

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        • M.C.Homer

          2 years ago

          Philly is the only other place I’d want to see Mike go for his sake.
          Some of the injuries just plain bad luck, but he’s got to lay off that swinging that golf club.
          One thing to consider everyone, unlike most guys his age Trout still has elite foot speed. I just don’t see him being a full-time DH in his near future unless there’s some other major health concerns.

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        • CarverAndrews

          2 years ago

          If Schwarbs brings home Trout
          We will scream and shout
          The fans will rejoice
          ’til we need to pay invoice

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        • momTurphy

          2 years ago

          You should make a video of your rhyme. Padres fans would love it….

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        • SonnySteele

          2 years ago

          Didn’t Trout say at one time that he likes to keep his MLB job separate from his home town?

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        • radhippo

          2 years ago

          Trout is not going anywhere. This is a dumb annual discussion because everyone is bored.

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        • paddyo furnichuh

          2 years ago

          To include Ranger?
          Star returns home
          Not quite a stranger,
          Center he may roam

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        • M.C.Homer

          2 years ago

          Carver, Philly would become the most entertaining kick-ass team in the league.
          Trout would be worth every penny.
          Trout is still a great player with plenty left. Though all of the haters here seem to be willing him to fail.
          It’s just jealousy, makes no other sense

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        • M.C.Homer

          2 years ago

          Hmmm, maybe I’m confused….maybe envy or both.
          “Envy is “the painful feeling of wanting what someone else has, like attributes or possessions.” If you’re jealous, you feel “threatened, protective, or fearful of losing one’s position or situation to someone else.”

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        • kcmark

          2 years ago

          If Schwarber brings home Trout
          There never is a doubt
          There will be hell
          At the Liberty Bell
          When he’s on the IL with gout.

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        • kcmark

          2 years ago

          There once was a Padre named Soto
          Don’t believe me go check out his photo
          To avoid shelling out cash
          They made a huge splash
          Now they’re stuck with just Dorothy and Toto.

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      • JerseyShoreScore

        2 years ago

        There is a difference between being good and being the best player in the game. If Trout were good and played 140 games a season, he could compile enough stats to live with just a bad contract.

        Over the last four years, he is mostly topping out at in the .280s and under a .400 OBP, he no longer runs, still has solid SLG, power numbers. Unfortunately, his five tool talent skills are waning. Father Time catches up with everyone and it seems like he hit Trout on the early side.

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        • Jabronie23

          2 years ago

          He hit 40 homeruns just a year ago and is still one of the fastest players in the league

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        • JackStrawb

          2 years ago

          Way to cherry pick one year out of the last four.

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        • M.C.Homer

          2 years ago

          Bingo! Jabronie

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      • Mrivers

        2 years ago

        Wrong, it’s bad. He just doesn’t play much and probably won’t enough to give value.
        For a while now.

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    • padrepapi

      2 years ago

      And over those past 7 years he has been worth 37.5 WAR, averaging 5.85 per season accounting for the 60 game season. To go with a 178 OPS+ over that time.

      Bellinger is expected to get around what Trout is owed (259m). I’ll take the Trout please.

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    • Jake Parsons

      2 years ago

      I love these completely arbitrary “games played” standards. Yeah, that 2019 when he slashed .290/.440/.640 but played fewer than 140 games was pretty awful. Have no idea how he won the MVP award that year…

      Or 2017, when he similarly didn’t play in 140 games yet still finished 4th in the MVP voting…

      And don’t get me started on the terribly disappointing 6 war season he put up in less than 140 games in 2022…

      You can rightly say his contract isn’t attractive, but let’s not pretend he wouldn’t fit nicely in 30 lineups.

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      • JerseyShoreScore

        2 years ago

        Unfortunately, 2019 is a long time ago in Trout’s career, but in age and wear and tear.

        When you are the best player in baseball you can impact teams in shorter spurts. Several areas where he used to be elite he is now just good or a non-factor. So when you are just good and no longer the best, you need to play more much more to impact a team.

        If Trout’s contract was available to be absorbed without trading a player, ZERO teams would take it.

        If he were a free agent, he would still get someone to take a flyer on him, but for closer to half his current contract….

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        • Jake Parsons

          2 years ago

          I don’t know if that’s true. Last offseason, teams paid on average $8.5M per WAR. The year prior was closer to $5M if my memory serves.

          Trout’s 2022 (NOT a long time ago) was 6+ WAR in both BR and FG. This last year was obviously not as good, and I’m not saying the contract is above water (although the marketing aspect can’t be ignored), but he’s still one of the most desirable players in the game.

          By your own admission, someone would guarantee him $125M+ this offseason. I have no idea how that’s a “flyer”, but oh well. You do you.

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        • M.C.Homer

          2 years ago

          Parsons, you are spot on.
          Well done sir

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      • YankeesBleacherCreature

        2 years ago

        Some folks are still stuck in the past that a player needs to play 162 games a season to fulfill their contracts. With managers giving players planned days off, paternity leave, and administrative absences, it’s no longer realistic to have those expectations. Same for pitchers giving 200+ IP.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          There is no comparison. Over the past 6 162-game seasons, Trout averages less than half of season.

          Just for the sake of argument, if you were told you could get a player that averages 80.17 games a year, for $37M, would you sign him?

          I don’t mind gambling on injuries, but Trout has been hurt 6 seasons in a row. He could return from the injuries, but even if he did, decline generally sets in at age 32.

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        • hossmandu

          2 years ago

          Check your math Joe.

          He’s played in 66% in the past 6 full seasons.

          Also, important to look at the injuries and how they happened:
          2017 Surgery for torn ligament in thumb sliding head first (47 days, non-wear and tear, fluke injury)
          2018 Wrist inflammation (15 days, wear and tear)
          2019 No injuries
          2021 Torn calf muscle (139 days, wear and tear)
          2022 Ribcage condition (33 days, wear and tear)
          2023 Broken Hamate bone in hand (88 days, non-wear and tear, fluke injury)

          2011-2016 ZERO days on IL

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        • M.C.Homer

          2 years ago

          Nice hoss. Fact checked.
          You are pointing out and make a clear case how twisted some of the opinions of Trout exist here

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        • filihok

          2 years ago

          RE JB

          “Just for the sake of argument, if you were told you could get a player that averages 80.17 games a year, for $37M, would you sign him?”

          I’d ask you why you weren’t giving me any relevant information with which to make the decision.

          I’d definitely be willing to pay a lot more for it 80 games of Trout than for 80 games (or 162 games) of, say, Trey Cabbage.

          I’m not paying for games played. I’m paying for production. Because I have at least a basic understanding of player value.

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    • robw5555

      2 years ago

      What will Judge and others look like when they get older? Seager and Trea Turner are fast and can hit now. But in the middle 30s? Could be the same thing. Even if not injured the skills tend to fade. Even Albert Pujols.

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    • Baseball77

      2 years ago

      Dude, he played 134 games in 2019 and 53 of 60 games in 2020. Yes, 2021 and 2023 were under 100 games (36 in 2021 and 82 in 2023) but his 2022 season, while still truncated by about a month and a half, was still elite – 40 home runs, .999 OPS, 176 OPS+
      Yes he has some injury concerns but he’s still an elite talent. A lot of teams could use him when he is healthy.

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      • JerseyShoreScore

        2 years ago

        You realize 53 out of 60 games played, means Trout would have still missed just under 20 games in a full season in 2020….

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        • The Former Player

          2 years ago

          Not to mention that he in all likelihood would have really missed more than 20.

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        • Halo11Fan

          2 years ago

          He had kid in 2020 and was kept out due to Covid protocols.

          He was unhurt in 2020.

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        • Baseball77

          2 years ago

          That would have put him at 142, 2 more than the minimum you set in your original post.

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    • FSF

      2 years ago

      Let me translate Minasian’s comments for you:

      “We tried desperately to rid ourselves of that bloated contract but Mike has unequivocally stated that he will not waive his no trade clause and fully intends to make sure that the Angels feel the full burden of a mid to late 30s oft injured Mike Trout sucking up a good chunk of the payroll.”

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      • filihok

        2 years ago

        FSF

        “Let me translate Minasian’s comments for you:”

        You should try Duolingo – your translations suck

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    • JackStrawb

      2 years ago

      @JerseyShoreScore He’ll get healthier, in a manner of speaking, if the Angels accept that he’s merely a DH at this point in his career. He could well deliver several 5-6 WAR seasons if they keep him off the field. And with Ohtani going elsewhere, they really don’t have much choice.

      “At least Anthony Rendon’s contract distracts from the albatross that is Trout’s contract!”

      —–Combine Rendon, Trout, and Ohtani, $$$/WAR, and the Angels come out fine: 36 bWAR / $250m from 2021-2023. The big contracts are always a huge gamble–we can’t only look at the bad ones for a given team.

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      • The Former Player

        2 years ago

        Very difficult to post 5-6 war seasons as a DH (not even considering Trout’s current decline in terms of BA, OBP/BB’s, power, K’s, SB, etc) and the Buxton misadventure further proves that moving to DH is not a magic solution in any way, shape of form. Trout’s a 2-4 WAR level player now, period.

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        • JackStrawb

          2 years ago

          That’s so ridiculous to flatly assert that I’m muting you just to spare myself any further nonsense of that kind.

          And you closed with “period.” Good god. Are you ten years old?

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        • The Former Player

          2 years ago

          He averaged around 4 WAR 2021-2023, is 32 and isn’t getting any younger, had the worst hitting season of his career in 2023 (the injury had nothing to do with it) and played at around a 5 WAR pace in 2020. Yes, he’s a 2-4 WAR level player now. The offensive decline statistics are black and white and easily available and 5-6 WAR level DH’s are very few and far between.

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        • Jake Parsons

          2 years ago

          He was 6+ WAR a season ago. He’s had positive dWAR on BR the last two years in CF.. Why would he be a DH?

          His hardH% is in line with his prime. So are EVs. He hit more line drives and fewer fly balls this last year, but there’s some year to year variance. ISO was lower, but we don’t know that it’s suddenly fallen off a cliff just yet.

          I get that everyone wants to always have a hot take, but geez. He hasn’t turned into a pumpkin yet, and probably still has a couple stellar years in him.

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    • M.C.Homer

      2 years ago

      I’ll gladly accept 140 games of his production every year. Most players could play 240 games and not achieve his level

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    • angels24

      2 years ago

      You are including the 2020 season where he played like 55 of a possible 60 games

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    • filihok

      2 years ago

      JSS

      “Translation: Mike Trout’s Contract is one of the worst in baseball and no team wants even a portion of it.”

      Google Translate, is that you? Because that’s a pretty [poor] translation.

      Yes, he’s hurt a lot.
      Yes, he’s getting older
      Maybe he’s starting to decline
      No, he’s not worth his contract

      Yes, he still produced on the field and that has value.

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  2. 3768902

    2 years ago

    Patiently awaiting Minasian/Trout Jaba/Leia memes

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  3. just_thinkin

    2 years ago

    The Angels have absolutely no idea what they are doing.

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    • bigdaddyt

      2 years ago

      Seems to me that their pretty good at being losers

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  4. Beff Jagwell

    2 years ago

    Mike Trout just read this. He’s now curled up in the fetal position crying his eyes out.

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    • Captain K-Midd

      2 years ago

      Mike Trout is taking his Super Pretzel money to the bank.

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    • Rally Goose

      2 years ago

      Nah he wants to be an Angels lifer.

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    • robw5555

      2 years ago

      He has nothing to cry over. Dont cry for money because it doesnt cry for you. Will he give any back? Nope.

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    • Setzer

      2 years ago

      Why would Trout feel that way when he’s been injured almost every season since 2020. He’s part of the reason why they haven’t been successful.

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  5. showmebb

    2 years ago

    In other words, “no one offered us much because he’s always hurt and makes too much money. We’ll keep him and see how it goes.”

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    • JackStrawb

      2 years ago

      Trout can deliver nothing from here on out and the Angels will have gotten 85 WAR for $490 million, in the end. Any large market team would take that, and he’s still got six seasons at DH to add to that. 100 WAR, total, by the time he hangs it up won’t surprise anyone.

      Granted, the extension was foolish, but were the Angels really supposed to let Trout walk?

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      • C Yards Jeff

        2 years ago

        That cumulative regular season War stat is impressive, but no post season stat in sight that mirrors it. Ho hum.

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      • JoeBrady

        2 years ago

        He should’ve been traded at some point. The Angels shouldn’t have sat there losing because the fans like him. This is similar to the Royals refusing to trade Merrifield, until it was too late, And then holding onto Perez, until it was too late.

        I understand it would be a crushing blow to some fans, but so is being below .500 for 8 straight years.

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  6. Catuli Carl

    2 years ago

    Just wasting his time and talents on a team that will continue to not make the playoffs. Sad.

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    • carlos15

      2 years ago

      Wasting his time and talents on the IL of a team that will continue to not make the playoffs.

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  7. larkraxm

    2 years ago

    Waiting to see Ohtani deal play out. Ohtani not coming back if Angels are in a rebuild.

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    • JackStrawb

      2 years ago

      Ohtani’s not coming back.

      –If the Angels could give Trout away it would better place them to try to contend immediately.

      Note I wrote “try..”

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  8. taco guy

    2 years ago

    Great, If it’s not working, why fix it…

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  9. Steve E.

    2 years ago

    Well, I’m 99 percent certain that no team would want him unless the Angels paid a huge chunk of his salary. He’s not as injury-prone as Stanton, but he’s getting close.

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    • Fire Krall

      2 years ago

      well…duh..

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    • robw5555

      2 years ago

      Stanton is like fine blown glass. You dont even want him running to the bathroom.

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      • larkraxm

        2 years ago

        Walking feet!!

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    • JoeBrady

      2 years ago

      Actually, Stanton has played in 30 more games than Trout since 2017.

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  10. Angels2WS

    2 years ago

    Broken hand bone. Hard to say how an MLB batter can prevent that random freak occurrence. The hammy issue a few years back, maybe a different story. I doubt any of these negative posters were saying the big Trout contract was a bad contract when inked. I for one was happy that they were able to secure Trout for long-term.

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    • JackStrawb

      2 years ago

      I said it was a bad idea, but I also said as did many others, What else are the Angels supposed to do?

      You sign, embroider around him, and pray.

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  11. Fire Krall

    2 years ago

    Unless he walks in and says I am retiring if you dont trade me..

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    • robw5555

      2 years ago

      That doesnt happen with 250 million at stake. As if a bunch of teams want to pay that money? He already had most likely his career years.

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    • CKinSTL

      2 years ago

      In that dramatic, impossible scenario.. I think the Angels accept his retirement and take the $260 million savings.

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  12. Rally Goose

    2 years ago

    Of course not. He has a full NTC.

    Oh. And a preemptive “STFU” to everyone who is going to say “NtC’s GeT wAiVeD ALl ThE tImE !”

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    • JackStrawb

      2 years ago

      In fact NTCs get bought out all the time.

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  13. orange2001

    2 years ago

    “There was never really any concrete reporting to suggest that a Trout trade was actually being considered, just speculation from outside observers.”

    Just like the Ohtani trade deadline “speculation” and now the Ohtani free agency “speculation”. That’s what the media does, fabricate stories for clickbait.

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    • MLB_Angel

      2 years ago

      Yup, It’s all clickbait for the writers.

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  14. 30 Parks

    2 years ago

    Mike Trout is soft – ten-ply.

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  15. JoeBrady

    2 years ago

    I think he meant to say that Trout was untradeable. 2 years ago, they should’ve traded Trout and Ohtani. Now whatever savings they get wouldn’t offset the bad publicity.

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  16. brian214

    2 years ago

    The Angels have the best City Connect jerseys and hats in baseball. There, that’s the only positive thing I can say about them.

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  17. Old York

    2 years ago

    Overrated.

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  18. isolatedpower

    2 years ago

    Minasian later added: “What do you want us to do, lose 20 WAR this off-season?”

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    • rottenboyfriend

      2 years ago

      If that’s the case then Ohtani’s deal has gotten so out of the realm of sanity that even the Angels are walking away! Every long term contract the Angels have on the books is upside down at this point with Trout, Rendon and Anderson eating up $85 million in payroll…

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      • isolatedpower

        2 years ago

        The angels only have 4 more years of Rendon, so there’s that

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  19. Lefty_Orioles_Fan

    2 years ago

    The Angels also might wind up with Ohtani too

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    • isolatedpower

      2 years ago

      If you wanted to stay in Anaheim, he probably would have signed already.

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  20. M.C.Homer

    2 years ago

    I’ve sat back and watched Trout every game of his career. It really is amazing he has performed so well over the years. The only pitches he gets to hit are mistakes

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  21. Logjammer D"Baggagecling

    2 years ago

    It’s ultimately up to Trout to be traded or not.

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  22. Dotnet22

    2 years ago

    MLB Non-Trade Rumors

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  23. CalcetinesBlancos

    2 years ago

    The Mike Trout suicide watch has begun.

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    • M.C.Homer

      2 years ago

      Are you kidding me? Take that joke back.
      Shame on you.
      NOT funny. Disgusting.
      Mike works hard to support suicide prevention causes. Because his brother-in-law killed himself a couple years ago. Mike missed some time because of this. Is anyone going to hold that against him?

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    • AngelsFan1968

      2 years ago

      @Cal – That’s absolutely horrible buddy!

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    • isolatedpower

      2 years ago

      He’s going to pleasure himself in front of the weather channel on top of a pile of money. He’s not leaving this Earth anytime soon.

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  24. Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman

    2 years ago

    You bet he isn’t getting traded. 37 million a year for years and he is starting to decline in production.

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    • JackStrawb

      2 years ago

      Trout’s been in decline since 2020.

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  25. drasco036

    2 years ago

    Sounds like “we are not trading Juan Soto” and we all saw how that ended up.

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  26. HalosHeavenJJ

    2 years ago

    Trout signed the type of contract that binds a player and a team for an entire career. Both sides said something similar at the presser.

    The injuries have sucked and will likely get worse as he ages. Hopefully he moves to a corner outfield spot to save some wear and tear.

    Ironically, the best thing for Trout is probably seeing Ohtani walk. The Angels could add multiple pieces instead of one and Trout could see a couple DH days per week to stay fresh.

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  27. twiker

    2 years ago

    This is the single dumbest professional sports organization to ever exist. They should be paying $7-9 million per yr of the existing deal and taking every prospect the Phillies will give them. A package consisting of 4 or 5 of Abel, Rojas, muzziotti, Marchan, de la Cruz, and perhaps schwarber should be getting this deal done 99/100 times and both teams would be better for It. They are a complete disgrace.

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    • Halo11Fan

      2 years ago

      That’s a stupid take. That doesn’t do anything to clear the luxury tax cap.

      And if Trout wanted to be traded, then the Angels would trade him.

      He has a full no trade clause

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    • M.C.Homer

      2 years ago

      Twiker, I bet the Mets, Padres and White Sox feel left out by your statement…
      And no, it makes no sense for the Angels to trade Mookie….I mean Mike Trout…

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  28. M.C.Homer

    2 years ago

    So many theories as to why the Angels keep losing. Plain and simple…you cannot win without a good bullpen. Even the championship team in 2002 was weak with starting pitching but that Bullpen was lights out

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    • JRamHOF

      2 years ago

      Estevez was rock solid for like 2/3 of the season… I wonder what happened. Maybe he was overused. They’ve also tried to sign guys like Loup and Tepera in recent years and it hasn’t worked out.

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  29. The Former Player

    2 years ago

    The time to trade him was 2020 at the latest. Now he’s an extremely fragile broken down soon to be mid-30s player with an albatross contract and a permanent and still possibly career-ending back injury- you would have to pay a team tens of millions (more like 100+ million) just to take on the rest of his contract. Shadow of what he used to be and proves what Pojols said was right- ‘let’s see how he is in his 30s’.

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    • rottenboyfriend

      2 years ago

      Preller is not taking the bait from the Yankees on their over hyped prospects! Name the last Yankee prospect traded who worked out for the team he was traded too? You trade them proven stars and get garbage back!

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  30. AmericanRedneck

    2 years ago

    Trout for Volpe, King, Stanton, Schmidt & Oswaldo.

    Who hangs up first?

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    • JRamHOF

      2 years ago

      The Yankees will offer Frazier and Andujar.

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    • terry g

      2 years ago

      Angels

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    • JackStrawb

      2 years ago

      You couldn’t give Trout away.

      7/245m? He’d have to repeat his last 3 years through his age 38 season just to break even.

      I wonder what his insurance policy looks like…

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      • rottenboyfriend

        2 years ago

        In the end the Yankees over hyped farm system is garbage! Who would want Stanton and his horrible contract and injury history! Steer clear of trading with the Yankees period!

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  31. Rsox

    2 years ago

    Of course he won’t. No one will touch that contract with a 10ft pole

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  32. JRamHOF

    2 years ago

    They should work out a trade with the New York Metropolitans

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  33. prov356

    2 years ago

    Typical Trout bashers convention, all of whom would celebrate if he was traded to their team.

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    • AmericanRedneck

      2 years ago

      I certainly would, a generational talent. Doesn’t get his due because he played 60-75% of his games on PST, or bedtime for most back east. I loved watching baseball starting at 3-4pm most days in Seattle, I suppose conversely night owls might like the ballgames going on till 1-2am. Not I.

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  34. DanUgglasRing

    2 years ago

    Hades: Sisyphus “very close to getting that rock up the hill.”

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  35. Halo11Fan

    2 years ago

    Trouts peripherals we’re still great in 2023. He was great in 2022.. third in wRC+. 499 PAs.

    He can’t stay healthy, but his skills are not slipping.

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    • The Former Player

      2 years ago

      His BA skill, OBP/BB skill, K rate skill, SB skill, power skill are all slipping.

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      • Halo11Fan

        2 years ago

        Last year the results slipped, but his quality of contact remained high.

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  36. Deez Cardinals

    2 years ago

    What’s funny is as bad as Trout’s contract looks today Ohtani’s will look even worse in a few years. The amount of money being passed around is crazy.

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    • filihok

      2 years ago

      DC

      “What’s funny is as bad as Trout’s contract looks today Ohtani’s will look even worse in a few years. The amount of money being passed around is crazy.”

      What’s funny* is that fans always say this like it means something

      Teams underpay at the beginning and overpay at the end. That’s how it works. Everyone knows this

      Except fans who know nothing about finance who come out of the woodwork to point it out like they just made a groundbreaking discovery

      *Depressing

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  37. Birdieman2

    2 years ago

    Whole lot of guys not getting traded so far at winter meetings.

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  38. TrillionaireTeamOperator

    2 years ago

    Pretty astounding that of all the players to ever play the game, Trout is treated like a god.

    He could be out a full season and still be talked about as being more valuable than most players and they could create a stat like “most perceived value without playing” and be ranked first.

    He’s an excellent player. He had a few fantastic seasons. He was not worth the pre-emptive extension.

    Looking at all the stats I can find I have never fully understood how he’s the best ever. At most they probably should have added 5 years/$200M to that original extension and we’d only be 2 years away from it concluding.

    I think the biggest thing with Trout is that his individual GOAT-ish, HOF stats are obscured by the fact that he’s always played on bad teams.

    It’s so weird that at one point you had Ohtani and Trout playing together for multiple seasons and it didn’t matter.

    The Angels have been a black hole for talent over the last 20 or so years, since their last World Series.

    I think Trout knows his career will be defined by individual stats on a team that didn’t give him the opportunities to really show off on a bigger stage- but reportedly he wanted it this way.

    Look, in many ways, guys like Trout have been smart- at the end of the day it’s about the money someone is willing to pay you to do the job and maximizing that money and he absolutely maximized his money on the Angels and he got to play under the radar- something guys like Trout reportedly have wanted.

    A lot of these baseball guys are local hero types who aren’t stupid, they want as much money as they can get from their ball playing career, but they don’t want to be perceived that way.

    Trout never wanted to be a Dodger or a Yankee or a Red Sock or anything because he recognized that playing in Anaheim is an under the radar career move without sacrificing any of the money a larger market higher profile club would offer.

    He gets to play in practically relative anonymity without the scrutiny. So if he sucks the rest of his career, or he’s as good as ever but can’t stay healthy and his contract is a bust and he never gets to the world series- he’s still one of the biggest winners in baseball history.

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  39. phuckinphill

    2 years ago

    Because it worked out great for the Angels when they kept Ohtani.

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  40. JayRyder

    2 years ago

    They Should because he’s always injured.

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  41. M.C.Homer

    2 years ago

    Neither Trout nor Shohei want to leave.
    Pretty obvious

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  42. the voice inside my head

    2 years ago

    . “Mike Trout is not getting traded,” Minasian said. “100 percent.”

    In others words, a trade has been agreed to in principle but Minasian doesn’t want to tip his hand while trying to attract free agents to the dumpster fire that the Angels have become.

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  43. mbart33

    2 years ago

    Not to trade him is stupid – no wonder why there always terrible -trade him and get some young players- baseball is played from the ages of 22 to 32 after that good luck -look at all the great’s – decline is huge after 32

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    • mlbnyyfan

      2 years ago

      Trout needs to come home and play with Harper

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  44. johndietz

    2 years ago

    That’s ok. The worst contract in baseball is about to be Ohtani

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    • its_happening

      2 years ago

      Worse than Rendon?

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      • mlbnyyfan

        2 years ago

        Stanton by far the worst. I’d trade Stanton for Rendon.

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      • mlbnyyfan

        2 years ago

        If Trout really wanted to come home and play for Philadelphia he never should of signed that large contract. He had faith in Anaheim to build a great team around him and they failed miserable. Much like Yankees are doing now with Judge in his prime

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