As with the past several offseasons, there’s been plenty of speculation and reporting about the Marlins’ willingness to deal from their starting rotation. Chatter surrounding the possibility of Miami dealing a starter didn’t bring about a high-profile trade two winters ago — Miami did deal Zach Thompson to the Pirates as part of the Jacob Stallings deal — but last offseason saw the Fish ship righty Pablo Lopez to Minnesota alongside prospects Jose Salas and Byron Chourio in a deal that brought Luis Arraez to Miami. Talk this offseason has centered primarily around lefty Jesus Luzardo and righty Edward Cabrera, but Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic writes that a trade involving Luzardo is “less likely” than a trade of the younger Cabrera. MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand wrote late last week that the Marlins have been open to discussing both in trades.
While Cabrera has more club control remaining — five years, compared to Luzardo’s three — he’s also the less-established arm of the two, so it makes sense that the Marlins would be a bit more reluctant to part with the more experienced Luzardo.
Cabrera, who’ll turn 26 in April, has already spent parts of three seasons in the big leagues. After getting roughed up as a rookie, the former top prospect has made strides in the past two seasons, logging a combined 3.73 ERA with a sharp 26.6% strikeout rate. He throws hard (96.2 mph average fastball), has generally been good at keeping the ball in the yard (1.10 HR/9) and boasts a strong 50.6% ground-ball rate. However, Cabrera has also walked far too many opponents, issuing free passes to 13.7% of batters faced.
That lack of command has at times prevented him from working deep into games. While some of his short starts have been attributable to the Marlins monitoring his workload as he’s worked through a shoulder impingement and elbow inflammation, Cabrera’s average of 4 2/3 innings per start to this point in his career is quite brief, even by today’s standards. Cabrera worked a career-high eight shutout innings against the A’s in August of 2022, but that was one of just two career outings where he’s recorded an out beyond the sixth inning (the other was in his MLB debut a year prior).
Clearly, there are still some final steps to take in Cabrera’s development, but his body of work over the past two years offers plenty of reason for optimism. Couple that with club control that stretches through the 2028 season — he’ll likely be arbitration-eligible four times as a Super Two player — and Cabrera should appeal to plenty of pitching-hungry clubs, even if he’s the less-established of Miami’s two “available” starters.
As for the Marlins’ goals in a trade, they’ll surely vary from prospective trade partner to prospective trade partner. The Fish entered the offseason looking for long-term help behind the plate and at shortstop. Rosenthal suggests that a viable long-term option at short, in particular, might pique the Marlins’ interest when it comes to moving a controllable pitcher. As things stand, utilityman Jon Berti, glove-first prospect Jacob Amaya and former top prospects Vidal Brujan and Xavier Edwards are among the organization’s options there.
That said, Miami also hasn’t done much to upgrade its long-term catching outlook this winter. Christian Bethancourt was acquired in a small trade with Cleveland, who’d acquired him from the Rays. He and Nick Fortes are the only catchers on Miami’s 40-man roster. None of the organization’s current top 10 prospects at Baseball America are catchers.
There’s no indication yet that a trade of Cabrera, Luzardo or any other Marlins starter should be considered especially likely. But the Marlins have sat out free agency entirely this offseason, and the market hasn’t exactly been deep in options at their foremost positions of need anyhow. They likely view the trade market as their best path to addressing those needs in the short- and long-term, as in addition to the thin free-agent market, the team’s projected $97MM payroll (via Roster Resource) is already about $5MM greater than last year’s Opening Day mark.
The Fish are still about $13MM shy of where they ended the 2023 season, but it’s fair to wonder just how much appetite ownership has for additional spending. Rosenthal writes, for instance, that Josh Bell’s $16.5MM salary (which the club acquired in order to dump the majority of Jean Segura’s contract on the Guardians) is one of the reasons that the Marlins have been reluctant to spend this winter. If that’s the case, it’s hard to envision owner Bruce Sherman greenlighting additional free-agent spending of note, which either sets the stage for some trade activity or a disappointing offseason on the player acquisition front (possibly both).
AirY0rdan
I don’t think Luzardo will be traded, the only candiate I can see are the Yankees but they already gave up alot of their farm sistem for Verdugo and Soto.
Gwynning
There’s plenty of legitimate candidates (CIN, BAL, SD, et al.) but that doesn’t add to any likelihood that a deal gets done. I hope any one of the 3 teams I mentioned get Lizard, but I’d also settle for Cabrera on my Pads.
Murphy NFLD
Cin and Bal seem thw most likly to me as they have the over flow of young players and AAA guys who should be in the league and guys that could later this season.
Gwynning
Yes Murph, and all 3 are in (arguably) win-now mode. The future is bright for CIN and BAL, but all 3 teams could use a young TOR guy.
This one belongs to the Reds
My concern about Luzardo is his walk rate, which is dangerous in that ballpark.
Pads Fans
Reds and Orioles would be a good fit, but are not the only ones. Padres have 6 prospects in top 100 and 15 in top 200. Padres have an “overflow of young players”
Gwynning
That’s the gamble, TOBTTR! I think he’s maturing as a hurler, but therein lies the rub.
Rishi
55 BB in 178 innings is not a lot.
BrianStrowman9
lol 15 in the top 200. Padsfans continues w/ nonsnse
paddyo furnichuh
@Rishi….Well, 55 BB in 178.2 IP….that’s a 10.2 BB%
Not the worse but not great either
paddyo furnichuh
Pardon my math-did it quickly using Outs made and not batters faced.
But that K-BB ratio is bad.
Pads Fans
I have not heard or read that the Padres were even interested in Cabrera. Only Luzardo or Garrett. That is because they need a LHP.
Simm
I’m sure every team has some interest in Cabrera given his 5 years of control and plus stuff.
The Padres of course as you said really could use a lefty but perhaps they find that somewhere else.
Prob is who are they trading for either. The only two guys that seem to make any sense is Merrill or Campusano. Which they will need Campusano next year making him highly unlikely. So that means Merrill and I don’t see a one for one trade of Merrill.
Blackpink in the area
Merrill for Luzardo and more makes sense. They have Tanner Scott he’s a good lefty releiver with 1 year of control left.
Junkman
Trading away Campusano is unlikely but there is a path forward if they trade him away for a SP. Sign Gary Sanchez. Plus, Salas is on the way within the next two-to-three years.
Pads Fans
Padres have 9 RHP with starting experience in the majors not including Patino. They have ZERO LH starters.
Can you name any other middle of the rotation of higher LH starter that has 3 or more years of team control that has been even mentioned as a possibility for a trade? I can’t either.
Trading Merrill is not a problem considering the Padres depth at the position, although I personally would not consider it unless it was part of a larger trade than just for Luzardo.
How about Luzardo and Chisolm for Merrill, Lesko, Higgy, and a couple low to mid level prospects including JD Gonzalez?
Campusano is not on the table. Trading Higgy is.
Tigers3232
MIA is trying to add bats, they are not going to give up Chisolm while moving Luzardo. Moving Chisolm in general would require quite the over pay. They did not just aquire him for on field production. Their marketing is built around him.
Simm
I get that, I think the rumors of they will listen on pretty anyone says there is a chance even if very unlikely.
Tigers3232
Obviously there is always a chance any player can be traded. But trading Luzardo and Jazz just makes no sense for MIA. If they are trading from pitching depth again to add bats, trading a young controllable bat is counter productive.
Simm
That makes sense, perhaps there is something the org doesn’t like about Jazz idk. Perhaps they would trade him for only a big over pay.
Who knows but I do see a deal with him as unlikely.
Brew’88
Pads need two more SPs to field a 6 man OD rotation. They need 6 in rotation especially this year given the very risky health of Musgrove and Darvish. At least one needs to be a LHP.
Musgrove
Darvish
King
Avila/someone else on 40 man roster
trade/FA
trade/FA
Brew’88
And if they want to be competitive this year, one of those trade/FA aquired SPs needs to be a #2-#3-level rotation guy. Such as Luzardo. Not likely they’ll find that but they need that.
Javia135
Apparently the White Sox are refusing to come down on their ask of 3 top 100 prospects for Cease. Luzardo is a better pitcher with an additional year of control. What do you think the Marlins will want for him?
Salas, Lesko and Zavala or
Merrill, Snelling and Thorpe?
Personally, I wouldn’t do either.
Maybe Miami would be willing to do Cabrera for just Salas and Thorpe. I wouldn’t do that either.
Padres need to be(and are) currently looking for BOR starters, not TOR starters. The prices are way, way too high for pitching this year.
Brew88
If possible, Pads should hang on to and bring up Snelling, Lesko, Iriarte and Thorpe in the next year or two and address there SP needs now with rental types through trade (Burnes)? They certainly should not trade Salas! Or Snelling, Lesko.
Javia135
Agreed, but that means that the Padres will be unable to afford a TOR starter in trade.
Blackpink in the area
Trade simulator says Merril and Thorpe for Luzardo and Scott is fair
Brew88
Unless they exchange Kim and a few lower prospects for a rental TOR SP, not too likely to find a partner though
Simm
Best the could do is trade Kim to get a good prospect back to replace some of the ones they traded if they did make a trade for a TOR.
I think the ask is too much so they prob will just sign a back end guy. The other options is try and find a mid guy who would cost less but everything is a lot right now so they will continue to wait and see.
websoulsurfer
Marlins are trying to add a SS and a catcher. That they won’t move Chisolm back to SS says a lot.
Marketing a player only works if he is excelling. Chisolm hasn’t in Miami. Maybe a change of scenery is needed.
websoulsurfer
There would not be so many rumors if they were not shopping him. There would have been that one mention by Bowden in December and then the rumors would have stopped instead of intensifying.
websoulsurfer
Shildt has said that they are planning to use a “conventional” rotation, whatever that means.
At least one needs to be a LHP and they don’t have one.
Shildt also said that both Brito and Vasquez would get a shot at winning a spot in the rotation. Beyond that there is Avila, Waldron, Iriarte, Bergert, Morejon (although I think he will be strictly a reliever) and Patino (same).
Padres need to make at least one trade for a LH starting pitcher to slot into the #3 slot in the rotation. They won’t get a pitcher of that quality in FA.
websoulsurfer
That is WAY too much for Luzardo.
If its Luzardo alone then maybe Zavala and Thorpe or Iriarte plus a lottery ticket. That is two top 100 prospects that are MLB ready or close.
If its Luzardo and another MLB player than maybe something like Merrill, Lesko or Iriarte, Higashioka, and a couple lottery tickets.
Salas is not being traded.
Padres don’t have any need for Cabrera. He is a RHP and they have 9 with MLB starting experience.
The Padres would only be interested in Luzardo or Garrett and those are the only pitchers they have been tied to in trade talks.
Padres are looking for a middle of the rotation starter. #2 or #3. They have 6 bottom of the rotation starters with MLB experience. 8 if you include Morejon and Patino. No need for those and they are not looking for those.
Tigers3232
@Websoul, he was a 2B that they briefly tried at SS. You say it as though it was his natural position.
As for marketing him, he is good enough to be marketed. Both Marlins and MLB have been doing so. His personality resonates with young fans.
Pads Fans
Chisholm was a SS in the minors. He didn’t play SS in the majors because Miami had Rojas in 2021 and 2022 and moved to CF because they had no one to play the position.
baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=chi…
Javia135
Musgrove, Darvish and King are the Padres #1 thru #3 starters.
Javia135
Seattle has an ALL RHP rotation. It seems to work just fine for them.
Pads Fans
So you are saying that Luzardo would NOT slot in at #2 or #3 once he is traded for? Seriously?
Pads Fans
Two teams in MLB had an all RHP starting rotation. That should be clear enough that its not the ideal situation or far more teams would have be doing it.
Luzardo is a better pitcher than Cabrera and the Padres need LHP.
Javia135
What I am saying is that the Padres do not NEED a LHP starter. YOU may want one. THE PADRES may want one, but they don’t NEED ONE. Finances and trade value/cost come first.
Pads Fans
The best pitcher that could be available on the trade market is a LHP. The Padres want and NEED a LH starting pitcher. They have both the prospects and the money to go get him.
Competing comes first. What part of that do you not get?
Javia135
Pitching is currently INCREDIBLY overpriced. The cost for pitching this year is ridiculous. So what is your solution? Trade for the most expensive pitcher on the market. Smart!
Re-decimate the farm system for 1 pitcher to compete in a year when you already have no CF, no LF and no DH?
You want Luzardo. I get it. I want him on my team too. So does everyone else. You would have to win a prospect bidding war. Cost matters.
The Padres traded half their farm for Soto. They made a 1 year run. Now they are short pitching, CF, LF and DH. You know who could have helped them with that? James Wood, Robert Hassell and MacKensie Gore. Now you want to repeat that when you have a much weaker team already?
Pads Fans
Not in trade. ONLY in free agency. Trade costs are the same as ever because the value of players that would be traded has also gone up.
Padres supposedly killed their farm system for Soto. They are back in top 3 less than 2 years later.
The Padres window to win is short. 3 or 4 years, and then the core of Machado, Bogaerts, Darvish, ad Musgrove all start the inevitable decline. The time is NOW.
Luzardo fits the Padres needs and window to win AND they have the prospects to make it happen without decimating the farm system. They will STILL have 4-5 top 100 prospects including at least one in the Top 10 overall when all is said and done and De Vries will join that list very, very soon
Simm
Vries is already there on BA’s list.
Certainly can make a strong case that trading Merrill for a more needed position is what the padres should do.
Padres have been so quiet of late that I do believe they will make a trade or two. For who I don’t know.
Tigers3232
Trade costs are not always the same just as free agent values at particular positions aren’t always equal compared to other positions on different years. Just as anything it comes down to supply and demand. In today’s MLB the value of young controllable pitching is extremely high and much higher than that of position players. So the talent to value ratio is skewed and pitching is worth worth more. An example would be if you had a 2B and a LHP equal years team control 100% equal as far as talent, the value of the pitcher is higher. Again, the reason being demand. That demand is higher because free agent pitcher are so much costlier and pitchers get injured at a far higher rate.
So to sum it up no trade values are not equal nor do they adjust equally by any means.
Pads Fans
De Vries is not on the MLB list. He will be soon.
Preller doesn’t make tiny trades. He makes big splashes.
Bennie
The Rangers would be interested.
Big whiffa
I think Pads are favorite since they have most need and aren’t afraid to deal high end prospects. Liz for Merrill + should get the deal done.
99CaptainJudge99
Not really Air Yordan, the Yankees still have a lot of pieces that could be used for Lazardo, and or Cabrera. Gleyber Torres, Oswald Peraza, Everson Pereira, Chase Hampton, Will Warren, Clayton Beeter and Luis Gil are all prospects that are coming to mind, the Yankees could always send a list to the Marlins, and see what their looking for as far as prospects.
AirY0rdan
why would they unload their entire farm sytem in one season
Gwynning
What Yordan said, and Cash is still a prospect-hugger to his core.
99CaptainJudge99
@AirYordan- They wouldn’t be unloading their whole farm system, that’s the whole purpose of the list being sent to the Marlins. I think most teams would prefer Luzardo and Cabrera over Cease.
crise
MN has a ton of middle infield depth and sort of needs SP. The thinking around here has been Polanco plus kids for Luzardo, but after reading this perhaps Bell *and* Luzardo might be a better target for whoever is building trades. Any team that can eat some money might haev a leg up on an excellent pitcher.
Seamaholic
That “kid” better include Brooks Lee, or that ain’t happening, and if it does the Marlins are flipping Polanco to another team. What position do you think Polanco plays and what about “the Marlins’ MVP plays that same position” is confusing?
crise
Polanco’s still a decent 2B, but Julien kind of stole his spot.
Meanwhile back when he was in MIN Arreaz moved to 1B to save his legs. You’ll notice the wheels kind of come off late in the year and he needs some nurturing to get thru 162 games. Or you could move Polanco. He’s always been good about trying to do what the team needs (as evidenced by the painful time at 3B last year.)
filihok
“Any team that can eat some money might haev a leg up on an excellent pitcher.”
Paging Brandon Gomes
Chuck from Uniontown
The Pirates really should be trying to make a trade happen here
Eric M Tanner
Absolutely right he would be excellent to add to the rotation, get it done Ben please we are begging you .
Blackpink in the area
Cabrera is a good fit for the Pirates. Cabrera might figure it out he might not he has upside and 5 years of control left so I like him on a team like the Pirates.
wvsteve
think Peguero and another price is enough?
TheMan 3
The Bucs have an influx of middle infielders who could be used as trade bait and throw in a pitching prospect ( not Skenes )
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Remember last offseason the big story here that never went away was “When are the Pirates trading Bryan Reynolds??? Better be to the Yankees!” Wow that seems like eons ago.
Pads Fans
Rosenthal has not exactly been a reliable source the last year. Feinsand, Mish, McPherson, Bowden, and Philips have all said that the Marlins were negotiating with multiple teams to trade Luzardo.
They asked the Padres for Kim and were told flat out no. Phillips and Mish have said that there have been ongoing talks between the two teams in the last week
I am going to go with the plethora of sportscasters and writers that say there is something going on instead of the one that doesn’t think there is.
Simm
I haven’t seen anything anywhere saying the padres said no to a straight Liuzardo for Kim deal. Padres in my mind would be crazy to turn that down. Kim has one year left at a position they could cover with others.
Gwynning
Kind of echoing Simm here, but do you know something we don’t, PF? I did hear the Fish were curious about Kim, and we made several calls about their arms… but I never heard any connecting-of-the-dots, so to speak.
Curious!
Brew’88
It would take A LOT more than Kim (one year rental) for Luzardo (3 years of control). Like 2 or 3 top 10 prospects
websoulsurfer
You all need to start listening to these guys on the radio, not just reading their tweets or articles here.
Mish, Philips, and Jordan McPherson have all said that the Padres turned down any overture that involved Kim. They are just not interested in trading him.
Since the winter meeting there have been rumors about the Padres being in talks with the Marlins for a LH starter.
The rumors started with Bowden and have been very specific in that the Padres were offering 1 top 100 player that did not include Salas, Merrill, or Snelling, plus other prospects for one of those two starters. Today I would add De Vries to that list of not available in trade.
I have said all along that I think it will take 2 top 100 prospects plus a lottery ticket. The Marlins need a long-term catcher, so maybe 1 top 100 prospect like Zavala (OF) or Thorpe(RHP), Valenzuela (Padres #10 who is a catcher). and a couple of other prospects that are MLB ready or close like Head and Rosario.
Why? Look at the last few #3 type starters under 30 that were traded with 2 to 5 years of control.
One was a 1 for 1 trade of MLB players.(Lopez)
One was two MLB players for 2 MLB players.
One was a 1 for one trade for 1 top 100 prospect straight up. (Gallen)
One was for 1 top 100 prospect and 3 other prospects.
One was for 4 prospects and none were top 100 (Cole)
One was a 3 team trade that involved 2 top 100 prospects.(Musgrove) Three of those trades involved the Marlins. One involved the Padres. 2 of those 6 were at the deadline.
websoulsurfer
Ran out of time filling the names in.
BrianStrowman9
Joe Musgrove was a graduated top 100 prospect
Simm
Doesn’t matter where you got your suppose info radio or not nowhere has it been said the padres declined a deal that sent Kim for Luzardo. Not a single person besides maybe you (aka Padsfan) would believe it.
Pitching cost have gone up this year. Unless the marlins view guys like Thorpe(projected mid to back of the rotation guy) and Zavala (still at least a year or more away who hasn’t been on any other top 100 list besides pipeline last year) who is a fringe top 100 guy very high. It will take another very good prospect or someone who is rated above these guys. It’s also not helping the white Sox ask for see is even higher then this and cease’s value maybe even worse than luzardo. I don’t see a luzardo trade happening because of the cost but if I had to guess the cost would be Merrill and Zavala…maybe even still a throw in from the padres. Once again this is just a guess like anyone’s else’s, not saying I’d do that deal and I don’t expect that deal to be done.
Brew88
I don’t think they’ll trade Kim, just responding to the overtures above. The Marlins won’t likely trade Luzardo for #7-15 Padre prospects, he’ll cost a top prospect or two. Probably won’t happen.
Pads Fans
Simm, It was linked to on this website. Read the articles and tweets they link to in the rumors here.
Trade costs don’t go up just because salaries have. Salaries go up for everyone.
Read Bowden’s article in the Athletic on it or go watch MLB Network replays of the Mad Dog Russo show when Steve Phillips was filling in for him.
Simm
There is no link here saying the padres turned down trading Kim for luzardo.
Pads Fans
Yes. There is. Article about Bowden rumors at winter meetings.
Simm
Feel free to post it because nobody believes it no matter how many times you try to say it’s true. Padres maybe not wanting to trade Kim and have turned down teams. Nobody has said it was Kim for luzardo as you had said.
Pads Fans
If you are incapable of going to Google and typing in Bowden and The Athletic, then I understand completely why you are getting so much wrong so often recently.
LISTENING to radio broadcasts and podcasts with former GM’s is usually something smart fans do. Why don’t you? If you did, you wouldn’t have to question my posts. You would know.
If you can figure it out, subscribe to The Baseball Insiders on YouTube. VERY informative and much more in depth than the short articles you see from a guy that is mentioned by the writers on this site a few times a week. Sometimes a few times a day.
Pads Fans
None of them ever said it was a straight up 1 for 1. Just that the Padres said no to Kim being involved in the trade.
Slow day at work
@Simm the fish would have to be right down incompetent to trade Luzardo for Kim straight up… so maybe it’s true? lol
Simm
I agree and I’m a padres fan. Maybe they would do it as part of a larger deal. Marlins just don’t strike me as a team that would have an all in approach while trading young cheap pitching.
Pads Fans
No one including the writer that mentioned the possibility said it was a straight up trade.
What was said was the the Padres refused to include Kim.
Seamaholic
Somebody tell the Orioles you only need two middle infielders and get them to stop prospect hugging. This trade is so obvious it screams and they’re just being indecisive and missing their moment.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Especially Basalo who is blocked at catcher. Send him and someone else for Cease, sheesh!!
O'sSayCanYouSee
I think Basallo is like Jackson Holiday to the organization. They just opened their first Dominican Academy this past week, and the Orioles are eager to show the new signees that the organization will actively promote them. He’s the poster child for the International rebuild the organization has been on (in addition to it’s otherwise total rebuild), and it’s the last part to bear fruit for them, and arguably the most important.
I could see Cowser before Basallo.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Appreciate that insight and I regret spelling his name wrong, my bad.
HBan22
Cowser, Joey Ortiz, Cade Povich and Justin Armbruester for Luzardo. Marlins would most likely accept that deal, and it makes a ton of sense for the Orioles.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
That seems like quite a haul. Four guys? Ooof. I don’t see how the Marlins could say No to that. I think Baltimore is too conservative to make that deal though.
HBan22
It’s definitely a solid haul, but I think it would take an offer like that to convince the Marlins to actually trade Luzardo. And if there is one team that can afford to do a trade like that, it’s Baltimore. They are so stacked on hitting both at the major and minor league level that losing Cowser and Ortiz would barely phase them either in the short or long term. I agree that Baltimore is probably too conservative to make that deal, though. Which is too bad, because they are one TOR pitcher away from being a truly elite team next year.
filihok
Luzardo is Peruvian
Luzardo means “lizard” in Portuguese but not in Spanish.
I guess he has Brazilian ancestry
CaptainHooks
I could see the Minnesota Twins trading Nick Gordon for Edward Cabrera. Perhaps the Marlins could throw in Louis Arraez or a prospect!
crise
And pay the first couple years’ salary for Cabera too. Geez, do you know who Gordon’s dad was? That’s worth something, I tell you.
HBan22
It would take Brooks Lee and several other solid pieces for the Twins to pry Luzardo away.
Cincyfan85
The Reds don’t need Edward Cabrera. They have plenty of guys like him. Look at Brandon Williamson. He put up similar numbers as Cabrera last year. He’s looking like the 6th or 7th starter on the team (most likely headed to AAA in reserve). Jesus Luzardo is an interesting target for the Reds, but not Edward Cabrera.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Bryce Miller for Noelvi Marte, please please please
This one belongs to the Reds
Marte will be NL ROY, the Reds aren’t dealing him.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Yeah it could be. Also looking at that Jackson Chourio for ROY but Marte definitely has the experience factor.
HBan22
Luzardo would be the cherry on top of a successful offseason for the Reds. I don’t even think they would have to include Marte to get a deal done. They are absolutely loaded on hitting prospects, and something like Edwin Arroyo, Cam Collier and Carlos Jorge along with Williamson or Lyon Richardson (or both if needed to get it done) would probably be too enticing for the Marlins to pass up.
just_thinkin
Update articles on Cease and Luzardo are funny man. There’s just nothing to update whatsoever.
slider32
The Marlins are in the same boat as the Sox, they should wait until the deadline to trade Cabrera as the Sox should do with Cease. They will have a chance to get the value they want at that time.
cwsOverhaul
It is weird. I appreciate the O’s brilliant FO is trying to hold on to prospects since the owner won’t green light a significant FA signing for a starter in general………but with Cease they are blocking entire top 5 and Westburg.. Do they believe any team with a decent starter will accept “best case headliner” of Ortiz? Reds aren’t as far along as Balt, but they should check back on both Luzardo/Cease. If they deal a couple quality pieces (no….not J. India), no reason they can push for playoffs. Asks back in Dec were going to be extremely high. There is middle ground.
metslvt17
The Mets and Marlins lineup really nicely for a prospect swap. Curious how willing the two sides would be to get something done. Parada may be redundant for the Mets with Alvarez in the bigs now. Alex Ramirez is a guy who slowed down his ascension up the prospect board. Interesting.
Edelapena08
Do not touch Merrill
Ma4170
Its just hard to imagine the marlins trading three years of luzardo. And if they do, they’d probably want a huge return i doubt many teams would be willing to do.
C Yards Jeff
Fish are looking for league level plug n play pieces not prospects so a team like the Orioles would not be a match? Unless Os FO would consider moving a Santander or Mountcastle along with either a Urias or Meteo for a multi player deal in return featuring a Luzardo type from Miami?
MacGromit
@jeff
if cash is king to John Angelos, then Ben Clemons of Fangraph has a great article about how the O’s should strike while they have few future commitments.
blogs.fangraphs.com/cmon-orioles-do-something/
it’s a good point, I’d leverage major league talent that is expensive *in addition* to their rich prospect pool to make the Fish an offer they can’t refuse for Luzardo (lizard or not).
Santander, Ortiz, Urias and maybe a lottery ticket catcher like Maverick Handley. That’s quite an Easter basket of goodies and 3 that could start for Miami immediately.
Losing Santander’s 3.0 WAR and the team leader in HRs would hurt but Angelos could redeploy $11+M and I can’t see ownership re-signing him to an extension after this season, his last under team control.
Trading for Luzardo would lift their #3 and then that $11M from Santander could maybe sign Ryu to lift the floor for their #5 and send Tyler Wells to the pen where he has had good success and to protect him from running out of gas like he did in the 2nd half last year.
Bradish, GRod, Luzardo, Means and Ryu with both DL Hall and Tyler Wells in the pen (maybe even Cole Irvin since he’s out of options)… that’ll do, pig. Not going to light the world on fire but that’s respectable, esp with the long guys that could step in to spell Means or anyone else. Kramer has one option left so they could park him in Norfolk until they needed him.
HBan22
It would take a better package than that on Baltimore’s end. Santander only has one year of control left and Urias is a utility infielder. The Marlins would want at least a couple high end young building blocks in return. Ortiz is a solid start, but it would take at least one more blue chip prospect such as Cowser or Westburg, along with a couple more solid prospects like Cade Povich, Jud Fabian or Hudson Haskin.
MacGromit
@HBan,
That’s pretty rich haul for a guy that isn’t TOR.
Ortiz could start for half the teams right now and Urias is a former Gold Glover that could hold down 3b plus the versatility to pretty much fill any of the IF positions. Has some sneaky pop and this is a great buy low situation after a lean offensive year possibly due to lack of playing time last year. I could see another add of future power like Jud Fabian but I can’t see them trading Povich as the O’s are already pretty thin in pitching prospects. I think that Cowser/Westburg are off the table as well since that appears to be the sticking point with the White Sox for Cease.
I already acknowledged that Santander would need to be re-signed after a year. I’d doubt that they could get potentially 3 starters and 2 strong prospects for a pitcher that is good but still unproven (but with 3 yrs of control) seems fair in adding Fabian’s bat to the original proposal.
cwsOverhaul
3yrs of Luzardo seems more in middle of your 2 proposals. Cowser headliner, Ortiz second piece and a couple further down pitchers (diamonds in the rough type to develop….not Povich).
Potential to significantly help both where they are weak.
C Yards Jeff
@MacG; all and Wells in pen. I like it! And Ryu in the 5 spot would be ideal. Hoping Ryu’s stock drops enough where he could be had on a one yr with an option. Mr Angelos seems adverse to approving deals beyond that length.
Thanks for Fan Graph read!
@HBan; sneakily Urias has taken the majority of reps at 3rd for a team that was above 500 in 22 and won 101 games in 23 and tge keague knows this. Good point about Santander
HEHEHATE
You’ve already lost alcantara. Traded Pablo. And now luzardos the face of the staff going forward? I don’t understand why you’d consider moving Cabrera over luzardo other than the idea that luzardo offers just aren’t matching up to those w Cabrera control considered. You keep Cabrera and move luzardo hot while you can. This is a market desperate for solid pitching options.
westcasey
No sure that Miami is going to be playoff calibre this season. If so, barely. Sign C) Gary Sanchez then maybe add a win or two. Likely scenario is to ride hope with Bell and Garcia. They have them and must pay them.
Need SS starter and have candidates but no standout. There are none to buy EVEN IF Marlins would spend. Trade is only way. Have to decide on 2024 competitive level. Obvious Option is to use 2024 to see what Amaya and all can do. 2024 might be a year for patience.
Kind of have to wait, see if Puk becomes starter, see if Meyer is okay and MLB ready, see if Rodgers is healthy…..BEFORE trading away a young starter. Cabrera will be controllable in 2025
It can’t all be done by trading. Going to have to sign someone and add onto roster.
piratesanddbacksfan
I’d deal Temarr Johnson & a minor league catcher– Bins or Gueterrez (sp) for Cabrera
Silver Boot Series Enjoyer
I could see Texas making a trade for a Marlins starter
LambchoP
Polanco, Vasquez and a prospect for Cabrera?
Sean P
Red Sox and marlins need to make a trade ASAP