A political action committee backed by the Nevada State Education Association’s Strong Public Schools has filed a lawsuit against the state and its governor, Joe Lombardo. The teachers union is seeking to overturn last summer’s law approving $380MM in public funding for the construction of a new park on the Vegas Strip.
Evan Drellich of the Athletic and Tabitha Mueller of the Nevada Independent were among those to cover the development. Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times reported in the middle of January that the union was planning to file a suit. The Nevada Independent provides a full copy of the complaint.
The A’s are not named as a defendant. The suit alleges that the stadium funding law does not comply with the state constitution. Among the plaintiffs’ claims is that the proposal needed to be voted on by a two-thirds supermajority as opposed to a simple majority, which is the state’s constitutional requirement for bills creating or increasing public revenue.
The teachers union has voiced strong opposition to the stadium funding law, arguing that public money would be better served on education. That, of course, is a matter of political opinion. Their legal efforts to block the deal have not succeeded thus far. The union previously sought a referendum to allow voters to directly weigh in on the stadium deal. A judge rejected that proposal in November (link via The Associated Press), which the union has appealed.
There’s nothing to suggest the legal challenge represents a serious threat to the A’s relocation efforts at this point. The organization continues to evaluate options for a temporary home city covering the 2025-27 seasons with their lease at the Oakland Coliseum expiring at the end of this year. The A’s are hopeful of having a home facility constructed in Vegas in time for the ’28 campaign.
Clofreesz
Whoa. Are they really trying to stop Oakland for moving? If so then I am rooting for them.
CCooper8920
No, they are hoping for an add on that offers more public funding to schools.
Clofreesz
Oh. Well kids and education are important, so I’m still rooting for them.
doghockey
A teacher’s union demanding more money is not to be confused with helping kids further their education.
Hammerin' Hank
Helping kids further their indoctrination
geg42
Welfare for billionaires is not to be confused with sound public policy
Redstitch108* 2
If you think the A’s ownership act like billionaires, you haven’t seen the last 20 years of A’s payroll.
Goose
BINGO!!!!! The US spends more money per student then ANY country on the planet and yet we get horrible results. The money is going to the Union management and administrative lackeys. NOT the students, teachers or what the teacher’s need to do their jobs effectively.
User 3180623956
@goose You want to know why the results are so bad? It’s because so many parents stick a phone or tablet in their 4 yr old’s hand instead of reading to them so they themselves can get back to playing candy crush and watching idiots on TikTok and Instagram.
Then when a kid should be held back because they can’t read or write the same parent refuses to let their child be helped and gets them promoted anyway. As the child ages they fall further and further behind and become a huge distraction in the classroom out of frustration and in each classroom there are at least a half dozen of the same type of kid. Now all those kids who are trying to learn lose out because the teacher is dealing with those kids and their parents who refuse to help their kid out. Everyone loses because of the dumb, lazy parents out there and the cycle continues on and on. Teacher salaries should START at 100k because not only are they educators, they’re now therapists, social workers, parent substitutes, healthcare workers and work in an environment that is no longer safe.
case
They don’t have a supermajority cause most districts outside of the Vegas area voted against a project that takes their tax dollars and ships them to Vegas construction companies and a California billionaire. The more rural counties cited overcrowded classrooms, homelessness, and inadequate child care services as areas that needed more funding, and instead their tax dollars are shipped to Vegas for the stadium.
johnsilver
It’s what they teach and unqualified teachers pretty sure many are against teacher’s and their union.
Can give examples. 1 of my parents taught and was principal of school(s) between elemantary and HS levels. 45y ago since that person retired, but complaints i remember then was lack of newer teachers being ready to teach and piles of regulations from the state and national levels more trouble than any good they could do and can be pretty sure this 45y later piles of useless programs keep flowing, so no self guide to teaching and instead adhereing to rubbish handed down from those who sometimes have never set foot in a classroom to teach.
I’m and have been against any increases in teacher salary improvement for years, until the unions and those handing out not at all thought at very well rules and how to teach, despite a grand niece being in her 2nd yr teaching, I blame pretty much the system as how it as (d)evolved over the years.
case
So keep the salaries lower and they’ll attract more qualified teachers?
Alternatively, the same bureaucrats that churned out those endless regulations and failed programs often capture over half of the education budget, then need more pointless programs and grotesquely overpriced renovation projects that justify their existence. Vote on more stringent rules directing budgets to the classrooms and things will immediately improve.
Redstitch108* 2
Kill the teacher’s union, (eliminating tenure and allow the firing of incompetent and controversial teachers) and open up teaching positions to people with real world experience, and the results will be dramatic.
Blue Baron
@johnsilver: If your spelling and writing are any indication, whatever system you came out of is definitely a failure.
dgredsfan
Thank you for drawing attention to his illegible post.
Ben T
Yes, they will be, and one of the first results will be a dramatic rise in salaries. Teachers give up some salary for job security.
Not at all saying that it’s better the way it is, just that everyone should think through the consequences before dismantling the system.
stymeedone
I take it from your writing that your parent didn’t bring their work home with them, or you would have better writing skills.
stymeedone
I had a college computer class taught by a Xerox VP. Woosh! Everything in his verbiage was over the heads of the people in this introductory class. Leave teaching to people who know how to teach. How much real world experience is needed to teach 5th graders basic math, English and the names of all 50 states?
JPR
Yep, real world experience goes a long way in the teaching of science and mathematics.
websoulsurfer
The state of Nevada has a limited amount of tax dollars. If they give it to Fisher, that is money that cannot be spent on Nevada schools which rank near the bottom in the nation. They are saying don’t take that away from schools to give away to a billionaire for his stadium.
Blue Baron
Every state has a limited amount of tax dollars.
The workaround is to borrow money by issuing municipal bonds.
websoulsurfer
Which they did in an unconstitutional manner.
Blue Baron
Did what?
stymeedone
The idea is the revenue provided by the stadium investment, the entertainment dollars spent, the jobs created, will create more tax revenue in the long term. It hasn’t worked everywhere, but Detroit’s whole downtown has been invigorated by this type of deal. I do doubt Las Vegas needs the same.
SportsFan0000
No! The Teachers Union position is to block all public funding for a New A’s Stadium in Nevada.
Governor lied to them and stated they had no money for education and mental health services.
Then, Governor changes his tune and offers hundreds of millions in public funds to subsidize the A’s in a late night vote?!
its_happening
Or….enough money has been given to education and mental health, and the Governor feels they’ve given plenty to both. That sounds more plausible.
Oakland has only had a couple decades to prove they’re a big time baseball city. They aren’t. Move on.
case
Lol, rural states have already “given plenty” to mental health services. We definitely need a better school system cause I don’t think youtube is cutting it.
SportsFan0000
Oakland proved they are a great sports town.
MLB and Commisioners Office SABOTAGED numerous viable stadium deals that were much better that the Las Vegas plan.
And, when the A’s had excellent Ownership that did not constantly fire sale their players everytime they reached a certain level of arbitration and were “playoffs competitive”,
the Oakland A’s even sold out their home field and set attendance records hosting some playoffs games.
A’s are owned by a John Fischer who is much worse than former Dodgers Owner Frank McCourt.
Commissioner’s Office could have solved the A’s stadium situation 10-20 years ago.
Bad Baseball Commissioners lousy at their jobs
SABOTAGED THE A’S IN OAKLAND AND SF BAY AREA.
NickTheDev
No, it has nothing to do with the Athletics not moving, it baisically just means the Athletics could eventually have to find someplace else to move. There is almost zero chance they stay where they are.
Tabata's Adopted Son
Honestly you can’t blame the Athletics for wanting to get out of Oakland. Every business wants to get out of Oakland.
Alvo Sumatro
Right, sure, “every” business wants to get out of Malibu North… Makes no sense.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Rob Ben’s Restaurant and Lounge (Marshawn Lynch’s bar) isn’t looking to get out of Oakland, nor is the Fox Theater or the Paramount Theater. I could definitely come up with more examples if you’re interested.
Alvo Sumatro
Berkeley Bowl is staying too
SupremeBacon
Yoooo Berkeley Bowl is the best. No joke
aragon
A lot of mid to small sized hi-tech companies have moved to Oakland due to crazy rent.
User 2079935927
How is Oakland like Malibu??? Lol This should be good.
Alvo Sumatro
Just look up the trajectory and read em and weep when movie tradesman and other big timers begin buying houses there (has already begyn)
WestVillageTiger
Sure. They all want to move to allegedly crime ridden San Francisco.
Tabata's Adopted Son
Didnt Oakland have the first in-n-out to close in 76 years? And lose three sports teams in the last 5 years? Sure, not “every” business, but clearly the A’s aren’t an outlier. Agree?
Alvo Sumatro
Try to find a In and Out Burger in Malibu South- wont happen. It’s not a coincidence
Bart Harley Jarvis
Apparently, I misquoted you when you said, “Every business wants to get out of Oakland.” Sorry, my bad.
Tabata's Adopted Son
No, you didn’t misquote me. You just are being a pedant, lol. I get it man. I live in a run down little town myself, I’m not making fun of Oakland. I’m just saying it isn’t like it’s a boom town and the A’s are the only one’s trying to get out of town.
youngliam
A billionaire wants a poor city to fund his stadium while he milks the fans dry and puts nothing back into his team. Oakland is the one with the raw deal on their end. He should have been forced to sell for what he’s done with that team. Too bad Joe Lacob couldn’t convince him to give up the team. He will never give up his cash cow so long as the league continues to let him get away with it.
SportsFan0000
BULLSHEET!
SF Bay Area is a great market for MLB, for fans, for TV revenues, for a New A’s stadium.
Reggie Jackson (A’s Hall of Famer) was blocked for Owning the A’s and keeping them in the SF Bay Area.
Jackson’s financial backers?!
Try Bill Gates, Paul Allen and the McCaw Cable and technology Firm.
Jackson’s Ownership Group has the cash and credit to build hundreds of new Major League stadiums.
However, he was passed over in favor of one of the White fraternity brothers of former Commissioner Bud Selig?!
Google it.
It is in the public record including recent interviews with Reggie Jackson disclosing what went down.
Unclenolanrules
Austin Athletics.
Austin A’s.
I’m not an A’s fan. I think it is a good location. Same division, same time zone as two other teams. A stadium on the south side would open up San Antonio, along with other towns like Bastrop, New Braunfels, San Marcos markets. Any homestand against the Rangers or Astros would be sellouts.
You could do worse.
case
Also, the Rollie Fingers hipster mustache would immediately be well represented.
websoulsurfer
They are hoping to force the Governor and the corrupt people in the legislature that accepted all that money from Fisher to follow the constitution of Nevada.
I am rooting for them too.
its_happening
You are rooting for the A’s to fail in Oakland? Ok.
SportsFan0000
In a Rare Moment of Candor (for a Politician) on a Podcast, Las Vegas Mayor Says A’s should Just Stay in Oakland and Work Out a Deal in Oakland. She backtracked later lol! “Las Vegas mayor says Athletics should not relocate despite plans: ‘Figure out a way to stay in Oakland
cbssports.com/mlb/news/las-vegas-mayor-says-athlet…
RoastGobot
Hope they fail. Get outta California, get outta California ya deadbeats
SportsFan0000
You are sadly misinformed.
CA is passing Germany as the 4rh largest and 4th richest economy in the World when compared to other countries.
Drive outside the LV strip and you see lots of poverty.
its_happening
What part was misinformed? Seems you wanted to put something down over a false presumption.
SportsFan0000
Seems like you are buying into a fake slanted media perspective of those bashing California
who try to make everything into a toxic political argument on a sports site.
Not buying your BS.
Same old States that are much poorer than California and subsidized in Federal Taxes by Californians pushing that Bullsheet narrative.
CA has the largest GDP in the USA by far and has been driving the USA economy for the last 50+ years.
CA has the 4th largest and richest economy in the World
when compared to countries.
CA is a magnet for Worldwide talent, innovation and new industries.
Polling has shown for a long time the best and brightest are attracted to and move to California in greater numbers than anyplace else in the World.
LOOKS A LOT LIKE MLB HAS A INSTITUTIOALIZED RACISM PROBLEM…WITH
A;S SITIUTATION.
SportsFan0000
INSTITUTIONALIZED RACISM PROBLEM WITH A’s STADIUM SITUATION BY MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL?????
IT LOOKS LIKE THAT MAY BE WHAT HAS HAPPENED THERE WITH THE A’S RIPPED OUT OF A MAJORITY MINORITY CITY WITH A VERY RICH HISTORY OF TEAM SUPPORT WHEN THEY HAD A OWNER WHO CARED AND SPENT MONEY ON PLAYERS AND THE TEAM WITH THE LEVIS STRAUS OWNERSHIP GROUP.
THE JOHN FISCHER OWNERSHIP AND INTENT TO MOVE TO LAS VEGAS HAS BEEN A DISASTER FOR MLB THE a’S AND SF BAY area LAS VEGAS MOVE SITUATION.
Brew88
TEACHERs! leave those kids alone
case
HOW CAN YOU HAVE ANY PUDDING IF YOU DON’T EAT YOUR MEAT?!?!?!
Rishi
The NSEASPS strikes again.
Rishi
I think SPS is a division of it. I get it now.lol
Beff Jagwell
All of a sudden there are thousand upon thousand of “A’s fans.” They haven’t attended games there for years, but now that they are looking to move the team out of the ghetto, people want to cry about it. The team moving to Nevada is much better for the sport.
MatthewStairs
There’s been tons of A’s fans. They don’t go because the owner treats them like trash and ships out fan favorites. What’s the last A’s player jersey anyone could feel comfortable buying?
NickTheDev
Even when they were having a surprising amount of success the fans still didn’t go… regardless of how cheap their owner is, the fans still haven’t supported that team in a long time.
MatthewStairs
Because the ownership has been horrible for the last 20 years. They drew over 2 million in 2014, then ownership dismantled the team by trading Cespedes and Donaldson away. By 2016 they were down to 1.2 million.
Also yes the coliseum isn’t a great venue, but John Fisher received revenue sharing because of the ballpark. If he built a new ballpark he wouldn’t have received it anymore.
Roguesaw2
Eric Chavez
Paleobros
Alex Wood
User 2079935927
Joe Rudi?
Benklasner
Coco Crisp.
case
Milton Bradley.
Alvo Sumatro
The area around the Coliseum has been improving dramatically. They dont call it Malibu North for nothing. That’s a big aspect as to why moving the team is so stupid.
Beff Jagwell
Only people trying to make Oakland not seem like a giant cesspool would say that. It’s a dump and that team is an excellent candidate to relocate. Next should be the Marlins and the Rays since they both average less than 10k fans. If a city won’t support a team, it should relocate. Nashville and Charlotte would be great options.
Alvo Sumatro
Malibu North. Say it!!!
Lanidrac
Unfortunately, staying in Oakland means that the team will continue to be trash under Fisher’s ownership. Unless Fisher can be forced to sell, relocating is still the best option.
I don’t think things will be much better in a smaller market with a ridiculously small 30,000 seat stadium and Fisher still as owner, but at the very least it will get them out of the rundown Colosseum and into a new stadium.
enricopallazzo
How is them moving to Vegas better for the sport? A team relying on opposing fans to make ends meet is kind of gross, this is mutually exclusive to the A’s being the team, almost any team besides the Dodgers will rely on opponents for support in LV.
A postage stamp dome stadium on the strip isn’t good for the sport either, they’ll be a sideshow.
Staying in the bay area where there is already fan support, history and a much larger (and wealthier) population is the best answer, even if it isn’t in Oakland proper.
SportsFan0000
False. The A’s set sold out attendance records in the playoffs before Ownership did a fire sale of its young, producing A’s players,
Bart Harley Jarvis
@Beef,
I go to a few A’s game a year. I can show you my ticket stubs if you’re interested.
cpdpoet
Clownshow continues…….
CardsFan57
Let’s say they succeed. Is there an education cut in the next budget? They are playing a risky game.
bigjonliljon
Nope. Just trying to blackmail money out of them. Typical union heads trying to justify their paychecks.
JesusChryslerSuperCar
There’s probably a reduction of budgets across the board to support this. I wouldn’t doubt if it’s coupled with an increase in taxes that benefits nobody except scumbag welfare queen team owners
BrianStrowman9
Nevada has a gigantic budget surplus so I would suspect that is incorrect. The teacher’s probably looking for a bigger piece of that with this suit.
websoulsurfer
$201 million budget surplus for 2 years is gigantic?
The Teachers PAC is not asking for anything in this lawsuit. They are saying that SB1 as written is unconstitutional.
Are you FOR unconstitutional appropriation of taxpayer money?
BrianStrowman9
Padsfansurfing
lol you never paint an accurate picture. They plowed $400MM into the rainy day fund alone in 2022 because revenue so far outpaced their expectations.
It’s just complete and utter bullshat from you.
SportsFan0000
The Governor just recently told Nevada Legislators that they were broke and had no money for mental health services, no money for education, no money for the homeless?!
Then, a few weeks later they “roll over” and offer close to 1/2 a billion dollars to a Pro Sports Owner in his “corporate welfare” play?!
Manfred’s playing with the balls
People here in Nevada don’t want the A’s and I don’t see it as political as much as economics. We don’t need more summer attractions, it’s the winter that is slow for Vegas. The infrastructure is struggling to upgrade fast enough for the current stadiums and they want to add another right in the worst traffic area. Locals in Vegas aren’t happy about a cheapskate owner taking public funds while making traffic worse
Senioreditor
Are you making this up? From what I’ve read, nearly everything you claim is false.
BlueSkies_LA
Didn’t you hear? He speaks for the People of Nevada.
websoulsurfer
Poll
“Results showed that 41 percent of respondents indicated they supported the assistance, 38 percent were in opposition, 14 percent said they neither supported nor opposed the aid, and 7 percent said they had no opinion.”
thenevadaindependent.com/article/poll-plurality-of…
Beff Jagwell
My employees in that region are beyond excited.
FrankRoo
My family living near Vegas is extremely excited for them to move. They are big Raiders and Knights fans now. Stadium projects commonly have public funding as it helps court a team which generates a lot of tax revenue and job creation.
MatthewStairs
All of the taxes for the stadium are being used to pay for the stadium, there is no new tax revenue. If anything a 9 acre area of the strip that was contributing taxes won’t be anymore.
FrankRoo
There will be plenty of taxes to collect on, it’ll just take years to recoup and surpass the initial investment. Wasn’t part of the deal a tax district so they could collect taxes on ticket sales? If the A’s can somehow put a winning team on the field in the next decade they could the city/county/state will benefit long term. The Knights are pulling in good attendance, for the NHL, as an expansion team in less than a decade. The Raiders improved, but not enough to draw larger attendance, they’re still bottom 3 in the league. This will be the issue with the A’s. They already have abysmal attendance and even when winning they don’t see sustained attendance. Will a new fan base be created in Nevada? I doubt it, but a stadium isn’t just limited to one sports team.
MatthewStairs
It’ll take 30 years per projections from their paid consultant. Which is the lifespan of a modern ballpark.
case
The special tax district is also very small and a number of professional economists have told the politicians that their math doesn’t check out.
haighwiser
So it pays for itself overtime, just in time to build a new ball park. So what’s the problem?
websoulsurfer
Ballparks never pay for themselves. They just transfer tax dollars from one area of a city or region to the ballpark district.
The people that live in the Las Vegas area won’t magically get a long-term increase in income just because the ballpark was built there and the money they spend in the ballpark district is money they wont be able to spend elsewhere in town.
Ticket sales for regularly scheduled MLB, NFL, NHL and NBA sporting events, not one offs like the Super Bowl or World Series, bring in tiny percentages of out of state visitors. 3% is at the top of the charts. The Raiders are not only at or near the bottom of the NFL in total attendance and percentage of capacity attendance, but they are also at the bottom of the NFL in percentage of out of state ticket sales.
Typically, the taxes paid in the ballpark district pay only for the ballpark, and not go into the general fund to help the community as a whole. If I am reading the bill in Nevada, that would be the case there also.
websoulsurfer
So why are the Raiders at the bottom of the NFL in total attendance, percentage of attendance, and out of state attendance?
I keep hearing about all these people that will flood into Las Vegas to see the A’s when they don’t do that to see the Raiders who have a huge following in Oakland and Los Angeles.
It is a total fallacy to say that a new stadium will increase jobs or tax revenue. They never do. They just transfer it from another area of the community to the area around the ballpark.
Casinos do not benefit from the A’s being there. They want you to stay IN their casino spending your money, not spending your limited money at a ballpark.
Casinos cannot help the A’s. Its literally against Nevada law for them to buy sponsorships, advertising, luxury boxes, or even tickets to give away for sports teams. Why? They take betting action on those teams.
FrankRoo
Raiders were at the bottom before move, but have actually increased their attendance slightly post move compared to the previous decade in Oakland. The A’s will likely see something similar, a tiny increase if that, but their attendance ceiling isn’t very high. They’ll likely see an increase in their estimated value as well like the raiders. The raiders saw a significant boost in evaluation after the move.
Having these teams and stadiums vs not having them will end up being a net benefit over time financially. Over the last few years there’s already been a significant amount of out of town travelers into the city attributed to sporting events. These people don’t just come to a game and leave, they rent rooms, gamble and make purchases.
BaseballisLife
Raiders are at the bottom in attendance since moving to Las Vegas.
case
Tiny increase in attendance vs. moving from one of the biggest TV markets in the country to one of the smallest. I think the only logic here is the real estate and construction profits for a select few.
User 2079935927
Isn’t it true there’s no state tax because of the gambling.?
FrankRoo
They collect taxes, just not income. Their net effective tax rate is somewhere around NH and CO. Not the lowest and not the highest, slightly better than average for citizens. There are more to taxes than just income tax.
Rounders
As a Vegas local I agree.
Lanidrac
I thought you were going to say they don’t want the A’s, because they want an expansion team instead of Fisher’s cheapskate mess of a franchise.
DarkSide830
Mald? Seethe? Cope?
bigjonliljon
Screw the teachers union
JesusChryslerSuperCar
Yeah!!! Union strong! Nevada blows dogs for quarters.
MatthewStairs
Long story short.
The State is compelling the county to issue the bonds. If the A’s default the county has to raise property taxes to make the payments. Any legislation that would raise taxes in Nevada needs a 2/3 vote. SB1 received a simple majority.
Further, the state would not be able to assume the debt because the state constitution clearly prohibits it.
What’s wild, a republican legislator during the special session even brought this up and the attorney present pretty much said “Don’t worry about that”.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Good for the teachers to fight for more pubic school funding for their communities. I’m in full support of them if funding a new stadium means less public funding for their school system. Fisher could find change under his couch cushions to make a sizeable donations to various school boards. Of course he won’t do that.
Screamer
This is an empty threat. Nothing will stop the A’s moving
MatthewStairs
John Fisher certainly can. The guys failed to build a ballpark for 20 years in 3 different cities.
User 2079935927
The State of CA has aalot to do with things taking centuries to get anything built. EIR’s Years of studies to make sure it’s not built on a earthquake fault, And they want to make sure a rare insect doesn’t get displaced from it’s natural habitat.
MatthewStairs
The warriors, knights, niners, giants and various southern California teams seemed to be able to do it.
User 2079935927
My point is, It takes ever I didnt say they can’t do it.
BlueSkies_LA
Oh well then, never mind!
enricopallazzo
Almost literally every step along the way the A’s could screw up, those of us paying attention the last 20 years can provide examples with their previous stadium agreements/plans.
BlueSkies_LA
Almost literally, is that even a thing? Look I get why Oakland fans are pissed. I would be too. But don’t delude yourself, baseball is a business. It’s all about the money, and so was the decision to relocate the team.
SportsFan0000
Fisher is “all hat and no cattle”.
He does not have the cash or credit to build even the smaller Las Vegas project.
Fischer has not proven that he can finance his end of the deal.
That is why the bigger Oakland, Howard Terminal project fell apart in Oakland. Fischer is in “over his head” financially/
Ubaldo Jimenez
That’s false
Ubaldo Jimenez
Unions are not evil, like that cancer DGTR and his support of predator Trevor Bauer tried to claim.
There’s merit to the claim that the money is better spent on something else. The A’s won’t be a major draw for… years.
YankeesBleacherCreature
The troll and his other troll accounts worship Andrew Tate so not much more to say about him.
User 2079935927
Predator Huh? Pasadena PD didn’t find any wrong doing….. Just Saying.
Liberalsteve
unions care about 4 things:
1..High salaries for the bosses
2.Keeping their monopoly
3.Protecting bad workers
4.Stopping poor minorities from getting their first job
DanUgglasRing
Just flatly wrong and idiotic propaganda but why expect more from MLBTR comments.
Ubaldo Jimenez
All of that is a lie, and you are not a liberal – rather a troll.
dave frost nhlpa
OMG Just have an Employee Day and have an apple
szc55
Unions are a relic of a bygone era.
Brew88
You misspelled civics
Brew88
Power to the owners!
DanUgglasRing
How’s that working out for average working Americans by the way? And how was the middle class during the “bygone era”? Seems like a lot of people long for that era you’re talking about.
BaseballGuy1
Biggest source of income for education spending… first after huge tax $ set aside in every states budgets…. the lottery!
WestVillageTiger
Actually, it’s property taxes…
Brew88
@OIC So in addition to taxpayers paying for the stadium, you’re suggesting they also pay the players as well?
Brew88
So you want taxpayers to directly pay the players salaries AND want to give non US citizens ( the ones who pay taxes) the right to vote ?
Brew88
Irresponsibility is better correlated with being a dumba&$$ as it is with age, but I also get your point
JesusChryslerSuperCar
Agreed. I just wanted to make a parallel in absurdity. (Although I’d be lying if I said I didn’t think people over 85 shouldn’t vote).
There are many people that don’t pay taxes that are regular citizens born in the United States. For one reason or another they can’t work and are claimed as dependents. Why should they not get a voice?
It’s like saying people that pay more in total taxes should have a greater say when their percentage is significantly less than poor people.
stubby66
Just move the team to Montreal and be done with it. I’m sure they won’t have issues in Canada
Brew88
Nah, they value education
Old York
Move them back to Philadelphia where they came from.
Brew88
Those were some of the best teams ever assembled
User 2079935927
To that DUMP of a ballpark? That place makes the A’s current stadium look like Candem Yards
its_happening
No.
Quebec is spending hundreds of millions to fix the Olympic Stadium roof. The location was a big problem, and fixing the roof won’t solve that problem. The money they’re using should have funded a new stadium if they were motivated for baseball.
HalosHeavenJJ
I don’t like my tax dollars spent on goodies for billionaires. There’s yet to be a study showing the taxpayers coming out even or ahead on stadiums.
I don’t always side with unions but I do here.
YankeesBleacherCreature
A large portion of taxpayers can’t even afford to attend games anymore so there’s that.
Roguesaw2
If you don’t want your tax dollars spent on goodies for Billionaires you should pretty much stop paying taxes. It all goes to them one way or another.
Brew88
Not in a healthy democracy Rogue
tedtheodorelogan
State is just going to spend your tax money and keep taxing you either way. Might as well get a cool stadium and go watch some baseball.
HalosHeavenJJ
I live in California. I’m all too familiar with state taxes.
At least the Nevada residents will get a stadium. Our magical choo choo train on the other hand….
Alvo Sumatro
The area around the Coliseum has been improving dramatically- they dont call it Malibu North for nothing. Big aspect as to why moving the team from Oakland is so stupid.
User 2079935927
Malibu North? Bawhahahahahahaha
its_happening
Fel Air.
Old York
Funding for education? Haven’t these folks heard of GoFundMe? Now, let’s focus on what’s important and that’s building the stadium.
Roguesaw2
Lol yes! I’m starting a GoFundMe for my kids education right now!
CardsFan57
Why not? Millionaire stars are doing it.
Enrico Pallazzo
Hoping this somehow leads to the deal falling through. I love the city of Las Vegas but the east bay fans deserve to keep the A’s in Oakland
enricopallazzo
I’m wondering who got this name first but I 100% agree with you.
JesusChryslerSuperCar
Yeah, fighting for workers is immoral. Keep bending the knee to plutocrats, they are banking on your continued support for their next yacht.
JesusChryslerSuperCar
Also,degrom /kershaw. I would love to hear your opinion on police unions.
Beff Jagwell
You are delusional if you think unions are still there to protect the working man/woman. Their foundation was an excellent cause, but all they are now is an organized extortion racket.
JesusChryslerSuperCar
So your solution is give all the power to the employer? Come on dawg.
Lanidrac
Well, now we have a lot of workers’ rights and anti-trust laws to pick up the slack of what unions once stood for.
SportsFan0000
Your personal biases are not supported by the facts.
Besides, if a New A’s Stadium is built in Las Vegas it will be built with Union Tradespersons and labor.
Nevada has Unions also,
Liberalsteve
Do you think there are any winners besides “plutocrats” if unions don’t get their way?
DanUgglasRing
It was a long time coming but deClown finally got my mute.
Lanidrac
Yeah, other winners are people who pay much lower prices for non-union labor and those non-union laborers who then get more business.
mbgutt
I work in public education you would get more value if you took that money and burned it. It’s subsidized babysitting at this point.
Alvo Sumatro
Is it really? I dont have kids so all I know is from what others say.
YankeesBleacherCreature
What makes you say that?
DanUgglasRing
Ah yes the old “I X therefore I’m an expert in Y” internet comment song and dance.
Ubaldo Jimenez
What are your credentials, Dan?
User 3180623956
mbgutt- just because you serve lunch in a school doesn’t mean you’re an expert in education
BaseballisLife
As a janitor or a groundskeeper?
prov356
People need to get a hobby.
chalk73
Yep, maybe they should take up watching baseball.
scruffmcgruff
I can’t be upset if it brings more support/money/etc. to the education system even if it does seem very agenda based for that teachers union. At the same time, having a local professional baseball team can also be good for kids, probably nowhere near as important as a properly funded education but certainly could be beneficial. I think the take away really is, government (both State and Federal) really need to do a better job supporting the education system. And if all the lawsuit does is shine a light on that then I say its probably worth it.
waldfee
“… having a local professional baseball team can also be good for kids”
Absolutely. The cognitive benefits of spending one’s childhood inside professional sports venues, wasting the parents’ money on overpriced merchandise and junk food can’t be emphasized enough.
Literature and arithmetic are for losers.
waldfee
Quote: “The teachers union has voiced strong opposition to the stadium funding law, arguing that public money would be better served on education. That, of course, is a matter of political opinion.”
According to a 2020 Gallup analysis, over 130 million U.S. Americans, i.e. 54 percent, between the ages of 16 and 74 read below 6th grade level.
On a global stage, U.S. literacy ranks 125th among 200 countries, right behind Botswana, Burundi and Oman.
But yeah, questioning a corrupt administration’s waste of $380 MM in tax money for a multi-billionaire’s private business, instead of using these desperately needed funds for education, represents a mere matter of political opinion…
BrianStrowman9
Nevada’s budget has a 22% increase YoY into the school system.
Im not arguing for stadium subsidies by any stretch. But I’m not advocating for throwing more cash into this without results. The path to fixing education in America requires a lot more than simply throwing cash at the same broken system.
User 3180623956
“The path to fixing education in America requires a lot more than simply throwing cash at the same broken system.“
That “path” needs to begin with parents actually parenting. That’s the number one problem with education today and no one wants to admit it.
websoulsurfer
That 22% increase in spending for the 2023-2025 moved Nevada from 49th to 47th in per student spending.
When you are at the bottom, there is no place to go but up.
websoulsurfer
Nevada
Dead last in high school graduation rate at 51.3%
dashboard.ed.gov/statecomparison.aspx?i=e&id=…
48th in public school education
worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-sc…
47th in spending per student
worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/per-pupil…
They are not spending money on education in Nevada for k-12 and it shows.
DanUgglasRing
Sounds like they really ought to fund a stadium for a guy that could simply sign a check from his own personal assets.
BrianStrowman9
Lmao you think that Nevada graduates only 51% of HS students? Do you live in the real world? You’ve got faulty data there chief.
You notice how there was also no race breakdown on the Nevada data?
BaseballisLife
Brian, His information is from the US Department of Education.
Yours is not. Enough said.
Here is the most recent data
eddataexpress.ed.gov/
websoulsurfer
I apologize. I posted the link to the wrong dashboard. The current information is available here. eddataexpress.ed.gov/
You are right that in the most current data available that Nevada did not graduate 51%. They graduated 81.7% which is 47th in the nation, not dead last. Two states did not provide information, Oklahoma and New Mexico, so that might move Nevada up from 47th to 45th.
The bottom line is that their graduation rates are in line with their spending per student and ranking on k-12 education.
” – State or jurisdiction did not report diploma count by race/ethnicity. Nevada did not report membership data needed to calculate the AFGR by race/ethnicity.”
BrianStrowman9
publicschoolreview.com/average-graduation-rate-sta…
Nevada is actually right around the average. Slightly above. I’m not sure why you cited some link with data from before 2008 (and obviously laughable data) presented. Exactly how out of touch with reality do you have to be to conclude that only 50% of HS students graduate in any state?
Simply spending Money does not fix the problem unfortunately. Unfortunate and sad that the system needs a complete overhaul.
BaseballisLife
One thing I have learned is to never trust a publication that gives no sources or methodology.
The data source is the US Department of Education. Here it is. eddataexpress.ed.gov/
websoulsurfer
Thanks BIL, but I got this. I did post the wrong link and so got incorrect information.
User 2079935927
How do players create jobs?
JesusChryslerSuperCar
They hire their wives to run their BS charities so they can get tax breaks.
Liberalsteve
Think we need an econ 101 class for winston
case
Is that why the least educated countries in the world have the best economies/jobs?
Mikenmn
Folks, this is free taxpayer money headed towards billionaires. It doesn’t go to schools, nor does it go to infrastructure (except to serve the team) to libraries, to cops, to sanitation or fire departments. Politics handed the A’s this, and politics will (and should) follow it. I don’t have a problem with those left outside the all-you-can-eat buffet putting their hands up/out.
HalosHeavenJJ
A judge not wanting the tax payers to have a say in the matter is absolutely garbage.
Just proof that to the government we are bottomless money sources and nothing more.
tjmacari
There is 0% chance this keeps the A’s from leaving Oakland unfortunately. If Vegas falls through for any reason they will just go to SLC or Portland
enricopallazzo
If Vegas falls through I have a feeling Fisher will sell. Sure hope so anyway, would think and also hope MLB rather have someone with more competence owning a team. He’s a negative for the league.
tjmacari
It’s always possible he sells, I should clarify that FISHER will never revisit Oakland, that bridged not only burned its now burning other structures
superunclea
What a joke. We want the money you probably wouldn’t have spent on us anyway taken from the stadium and spent on us. Do they use police and fire fighters too since they feel they make too much? Petty squabble. We could spend a billion a student and that still wouldn’t be enough for teachers.
User 3180623956
@super- you’re obviously clueless as to what goes on in a classroom
Bleed Orange
We the taxpayers. Voted to break up the Clark County school district, they haven’t. We legalized pot for the money to go to schools and teachers, it doesn’t.. They just want more money to got to admin paychecks and trips to the beach, No thanks bring us a stadium and give us a team. Keep the A’s in the bay and give us an expansion team, They can take the Raiders with them too!
User 3180623956
@b orange Keep spouting those talking points your puppet masters have burned into your brain…
VegasSDfan
As a Nevada resident, I hope they choose Utah. We can build a stadium and bring in an expansion team..
People want MLB in Vegas, we just don’t want the A’s..
Smokey the bear
The bottomless pit of the American education system. They are becoming more political and corrupt as time goes on. They got their greedy hands out looking for money, but politicians will promise them more cash to drop their lawsuits.
User 3180623956
Bottomless pit? Why do you think that is? It’s certainly not the teacher’s fault. It’s failure on so many levels, poor parenting, a society that has allowed technology to wreck children’s brains at such early ages, testing mandates, huge classroom sizes, people being brainwashed that teachers are the problem. I could go on.
martras
It’s because of parents, politics, a for profit higher education system, and monopolies on things like text books.
Teachers union is not the same as “teachers.” Unions rarely represent their actual members. Most often, the union represents union agents and political ideology, not the members.
There’s no political issue unions don’t wade into like a bloodsucking parasite looking for more money, and no union is worse than the teachers’ union.
websoulsurfer
The PAC will win this lawsuit.
The funding violates the constitution of Nevada in several ways.
First of which is that because the state is compelling the county to issue the bonds, when those bonds fall into default the state would be liable. That unconstitutional in Nevada.
2nd, If SB1 had been written in such a way that the responsibility remained on the county then the county’s only way to repay the bond would be to raise taxes, which requires a 2/3 vote, not the simple majority that SB1 received.
At the very least this will throw it back to the legislature in order to secure a 2/3 supermajority and the Nevada legislature does not meet again until 2025.
I believe that John Fisher is completely and thoroughly F’d. He burnt his bridges in Oakland, will be homeless after 2024, and will not get the funding he needs in Las Vegas.
178iq
Build better schools and pay teacher a little more, or build a ball park? That’s the American way. Play ball!!
vaadu
Public sector unions should be outlawed. And the teacher’s union is in the business of doing what’s best for teachers, not students.
martras
Jesse Ventura was the best governor I’ve ever seen when it came to dealing with the teachers’ union, which doesn’t even represent teachers, they represent the concept of unions and teachers sometimes reap rewards.
edweek.org/policy-politics/ventura-rumbles-with-ed…
Ventura also noted public education is a black hole for money, and it is. There is no amount of money which can be dumped into education where unions won’t demand more.
SportsFan0000
Las Vegas mayor says Athletics should not relocate despite plans: ‘Figure out a way to stay in Oakland’
cbssports.com/mlb/news/las-vegas-mayor-says-athlet…
VegasSDfan
The baseball fans in Vegas are starting to turn on the A’s. I think they should consider Utah, we will wait for an expansion team.
There are too many red flags with this deal. The A’s are like your college friend that just couldn’t close the deal..
SportsFan0000
The A’s should go back to the SF Bay Area.
MLB Ownership should force a Sale of the A’s to Well Funded, local Ownership Group that is required to keep the A’s in the SF Bay Area
and that promises to build a New Stadium in Oakland/SF Bay Area
WITH THE FULL COOPERATION OF THE MLB COMMISSIONER AND OWNERS.
MLB has precedents for this.
Didn’t MLB force the Sale of the Astros before their current run?
And, the Texas Rangers?\
I am sure there are more examples.
It would not be a new thing to.
The holdup on the Howard Terminal/SF Bay Stadium in Oakland
APPEARED TO BE A’S OWNER JOHN FISCHER COULD NOT COME UP WITH HIS FINANCING DEAL?!
If Fischer does not have the money to proceed on the deal.
then pivot to one of the many other billionaires in the SF Bay Area who have expressed interest in buying the A’s/
I don’t see those smaller states as having the economy, fan base, tv market, tv revenues to support a MLB franchise.
WestVillageTiger
In a raw comparison of how States treat their citizens, metropolitan Detroit has three Level I trauma centers (top end Emergency Room services), four if you add nearby U of Michigan.
There is only one for the entire state of Nevada.
Careful where you get sick…
Welp
“Baseball players create jobs” is the most creative and bald-faced lie ever told about trickle-down economics. Art Laffey would be proud.