6:51PM: Lee suffered a dislocated shoulder, as per a team announcement (correcting an earlier statement from manager Bob Melvin). Lee will undergo an MRI to determine the extent of the damage, and a more severe dislocation could possibly put his season in jeopardy.
4:38PM: Giants center fielder Jung Hoo Lee left today’s game with the Reds after suffering what the Giants later announced was a left shoulder strain. Lee made a leaping attempt to catch a Jeimer Candelario fly ball in the first inning, but the ball hit the top of the wall for a three-run double, while Lee’s arm made hard contact with the padding atop the fence. The awkward collision left Lee in obvious pain, and he was favoring his left arm as he left the field with the team trainer.
Manager Bob Melvin will surely provide media with an update on Lee following the game, but it certainly looks like a trip to the 10-day injured list is in order. Lee was just making his return to the lineup today after missing San Francisco’s previous three games with a minor foot injury, after he fouled a pitch off himself in Wednesday’s 8-6 win over the Rockies.
Lee’s situation adds to the Giants’ recent injury woes, as the team has lost five position players to the IL in a little over a week’s time. Michael Conforto was just placed on the 10-day IL earlier today due to a hamstring strain, with Conforto joining Austin Slater (concussion symptoms), Nick Ahmed (wrist sprain), Jorge Soler (shoulder strain), and backup catcher Tom Murphy (knee sprain) on the sidelines. Patrick Bailey was activated from the seven-day concussion-related IL yesterday, but was a late scratch from today’s lineup, as the catcher is dealing with a viral illness and could possibly miss a few more days.
Losing all of these regulars isn’t good news for a team that was already having trouble generating offense, and the Giants will have a particular issue in the outfield with Lee, Conforto, and Slater all out. Luis Matos was called up to take Conforto’s roster spot today, so he’ll join Mike Yastrzemski, Heliot Ramos, and utilityman Tyler Fitzgerald in trying to fill in all the gaps in the outfield depth chart. LaMonte Wade Jr. and Brett Wisely could also chip in for corner outfield duty, and Wade Meckler might be the next call-up from Triple-A since Meckler is already on the 40-man roster.
For Lee himself, a significant injury would be a very unfortunate way to begin his first season in Major League Baseball. The outfielder signed a six-year, $113MM deal (the fourth-largest contract for any free agent last winter) with the Giants back in December, with the team also adding a $18.825MM posting fee to the Kiwoom Heroes, Lee’s old Korea Baseball Organization club. Lee doesn’t turn 26 until August, so the combination of his youth and his big numbers in the KBO League made him an attractive commodity in free agency, and the priciest acquisition of a very busy San Francisco offseason.
The results have been mixed over Lee’s first first 37 games, which isn’t surprising for a player getting his first taste of North American baseball whatsoever, let alone the majors. Lee entered today’s action hitting .262/.310/.331 over 158 plate appearances, translating to an 89 wRC+. The pluses include some solid center field defense and a lot of contact, as Lee has been one of the hardest hitter in the league to strike out this season. However, Lee hasn’t done much with all his contact, as his hard-hit ball rate is only slightly above average, and he isn’t generating much power.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
That sucks! Conforto, Soler and Lee on IL at same time. Great opportunity for Yaz and Heliot.
scottn59c
Yeah, it’s a lot of guys on the IL, but the silver lining is that we get to see what some of the AAA graduates can do. Probably not much.
Candlestoked
@Manny Yaz is already a starter. It’s a great opportunity for Ramos and Matos.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Yaz is a platoon guy this year. They have an outfield of Lee, Conforto and Soler. Yaz gets plenty of at-bats but he is not an everyday guy.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Yes, I am completely incorrect about Soler playing some OF this year. Yaz has started 26 out of 42 games for the Giants this season which arguably does mean he has an opportunity to play “more”.
RussianFemboySportsFan!
how is yaz not everyday? he’s such a good player.
mlb fan
“How is Yaz not everyday”…Yaz is another of the league-average players the Giants trot out there most days. Every year the Giants try to combine a couple expensive free agents to their league average core and then wonder why .500 ball has been their ceiling. The Giants have(likely)not drafted an above average regular since Buster Posey.
Highwaymenace
Are you implying that Posey is only above average, or that posey was the last giants draft pick that worked out? Either way, not true. Couple more guys made it through after Posey, who is one of the greatest catchers of all time.
mlb fan
“Posey is only above average”…Not at all. When I talk about Hall of Fame level players(Michael Jordan, Mike Trout, Buster Posey, Johnny Bench, Muhammad Ali etc…)I assume the people reading are already aware these players are among the best ever to play and I prefer not to write manuscript length posts. What I’m suggesting is the S.F Giants haven’t drafted or developed players well since they ran Bruce Bochy and Brian Sabean out of town(of course it was portrayed in S.F as “mutual” but it really wasn’t). Farhan Zaidi hasn’t really done much to break this insidious trend in his several years in San Fran.
RussianFemboySportsFan!
yaz is above league average???
TigersLoveCinnamon
Yaz has been a starter for years dude
MLB Top 100 Commenter
He has started 26 of 52 games this year. He has platooned with Slayer in the past. Ignore my incorrect comment about Soler.
Datashark
Giants have not shown any relevance towards playoffs – its a shame because the pitchers coming off injury on paper look like a very strong lineup of starters. It looks more like they are SELLERS coming in July
Lets Go DBacks
Not much to sell there.
scottn59c
Depends. Could sell really high on a guy like Kyle Harrison, Mason Black and Keaton Winn are also young guys with tons of control that the Giants might not need to keep if Cobb and Ray return. If either of the latter return and pitch well before the deadline, they, too, will have trade value. Tyler Rogers has a 2.55 ERA and has pitched in keeping with his solid track record. Conforto is an obvious candidate to move, since he’d be purely a rental. WadeJr. could also be enticing to a team that needs a spark plug.
TigersLoveCinnamon
You’re suggesting they sell Harrison, who’s actually delivering. Mason who’s had 2 starts, and Keaton Winn who’s looked like a good rotation piece. The giants have serious depth in the rotation, but trading this year from youth would be awful. 2025 should be the plan
scottn59c
Nah, I’m not suggesting they trade those controllable pitchers so much as I am responding to the OP and everyone who thumbed him up.
If the Giants have to sell at the deadline, they have pieces that could be attractive both for the short and long term. FWIW, I don’t have a lot of faith that 2025 is going to be better than this year. This team is objectively worse than last year’s, but now with what, 300 million committed and a farm that continues to trend down.
Lets Go DBacks
Almost every team has pieces who could be interesting, the Giants just as many as the Padres or whatever team. However, if someone mentions a team is going to be a seller, I interpret that as they are going to move pieces who won’t help the club this year. With the Giants you are only looking at Alex Cobb and Michael Conforto in that regard or maybe guys that’ll be UFA in 2026, like Yaz, Wade…. When healthy, those players could be fine, but are not going to move the needle for a contender. Sure, theoretically, Kyle Harrison, Patrick Bailey, etc. could be moved too, but imo that really doesn’t make any sense for the Giants.
JackStrawb
@Lets Go DBacks Just curious—when did we start calling them “pieces” and stop calling them “players”?
Is this a consequence of Rotisserie baseball? Other fantasy versions?
Lets Go DBacks
@JackStrawb I was thinking of those players as being the missing pieces on a contender’s team, that’s why I used that word, but players might have been more appropriate. Cheers, mate.
Sabermetrix
Hell, I hope the Jays trade for JungHoo Lee and a few other guys off your roster.
Travis’ Wood
You hope the Jays trade for an injured outfielder who’s making over $100 mil and can’t hit?? Huh??
TigersLoveCinnamon
Jung hoo Lee is making 100 mill? You should tell him that, along with everyone else, cause that’s a lie. His entire contract isn’t even gonna be worth that. Also you should watch him play, he’s been really good
Blackpink in the area
His entire contract is definitely worth that. 113 guaranteed.
osfandan
His statcast page suggests that maybe you can hope for him to become Steven Kwan. Maybe.
JoeBrady
TigersLoveCinnamon
Jung hoo Lee is making 100 mill?
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Why would you post that without taking 30 seconds to find out whether or not you are right?
TigersLoveCinnamon
Why would YOU post that without reading the rest?
TigersLoveCinnamon
I said isn’t going to be, he’s got an opt out at 4 years. I would have almost guaranteed he’d exercise it, but injuries could change that. Hopefully not though
westcasey
Cleveland has Straw in minors. He can cover CF.Should not take much to get him.
PutPeteinthehall
Depends how much they want to eat. Contract is the issue not the return which considering the contract should be about zero
Longtimecoming
It’s waaaay early to judge the contract but for the time being, looks like Padres dodged a bullet.
I Believe We Can Win
Considering Padres have a cheap CF for 6 years giving about same production. They certainly dodged a bullet from a financial stand point.
JoeBrady
The amount SF paid was a lot higher than I expected, but it is way early to give up on him. I liken him to Kim. Good glove, but the learning curve from SK to the US is pretty steep.
mlb fan
“Way early to give up on him”…That’s the problem with offering $100M+ to a somewhat unknown player. You literally cannot give up on him for at least 3 years, because you invested so much on him. The Giants real problem is poor drafting and development; every year they try to add a couple expensive free agents to a league average(being generous)core and wonder why they miss the playoffs.
solaris602
Straw can help now and fill in just fine. Great fielder. Can’t hit worth a damn – .209 BA and a .576 OPS in AAA so far. He makes just under $5M this year, $6.4M in ‘25, and $7.4M in ‘26. So the problem once Lee returns is how do you get rid of Straw?
John Bird
@solaris Giants are over their quota of guys who can’t hit.
Travis’ Wood
How do you get rid of Straw? Umm you’ve never heard of DFAing someone?
stymeedone
I believe he meant how do you get rid of his contract? Baddoo is in the last year of control in Detroit. Average defensively, but has some pop in the bat, and an exciting baserunner. I’m sure Detroit would listen to offers.
Guard the Vogt
Travis’ Wood damn you’re going 0fer in this thread… The contract is what’s holding Straw from being moved…
Deleted Userr
I know a fairly recent Cy Young winner with a 1.96 ERA in Mexico so far this year who doesn’t currently have a shoulder strain and who they can sign right now for the league minimum…
Rally Goose
ERA down to 1.50 after his start last Friday, actually.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
That guy chokes under pressure
its_happening
When asked to do so.
Hotdog 2
Lol. I remember you said that he “got hit like a pinata in his first start” Then you said he didn’t take the working training game with the Yankees seriously because of YouTube. Your bias is funny. I hope you are under 30.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
The same trolls who say the Dodgers’ championship in the 2020 short season does not count then wave Bauer’s 2020 Cy Young award from the short season as if it carries no asterisk. Either position is defensible, but be consistent. If Bauer is a 2020 Cy Young winner, then Dodgers won the 2020 world championship.
Rally Goose
The Dodgers’ championship does count. All 30 teams played under the same conditions that year. So did all the pitchers.
Lets Go DBacks
They already have a recent Cy Young winner who pitched to a 2.25 ERA in the MLB last season and is terrible at the moment so based on that maybe that 1.25 ERA in Mexico isn’t even worth trying out.
Brew88
The number of Mexican League players that get signed into MLB mid season is very few to none, for a reason
SewaldSwansonSwoon
Wipe your lips. This is beyond pathetic how often you post this.
Deleted Userr
Beyond pathetic how they won’t announce the accuser being indicted for felony fraud when they had mo problem talking about the initial allegation.
foppert2
There’s a small difference. He was an MLB player then. Now he is just a YouTuber. No reason to report on YouTuber rumours.
I Believe We Can Win
They report on foreign players all the time, even Americans performing in other leagues who could make their way back to the states.
Mlbtr literally has a series on guys performing in foreign leagues. Last year they did a report of NPB players to watch who could make the jump to MLB and posted an article in April May June July August and September. And they’ll probably do something similar this year.
So that’s bs.
Deleted Userr
I’m more inclined to believe what IBWCW is saying that they just don’t want to admit they were wrong about Trevor.
I Believe We Can Win
Youd think they’d have an ounce of decency to post a recanting statement at some point regarding the false accusations made by Lindsey Hill and the girl in ARZ. They helped spread the flames so they have an obligation to at least update the viewers regarding what’s transpired since then. Considering how uninformed people are on the Trevor Bauer saga you’d think they’d be able to post an unbiased timeline of facts to date regarding the situations.
But they won’t sadly. They’ll willingly post accusations but won’t update their audience. Shotty journalism at its finest.
They’ll post about Ohtanis legal situation but won’t touch Bauers. Bad journalism is bad.
stymeedone
Which accuser? There were multiple.
stymeedone
Bauer presented his case before an arbitrator and did not do well. The longest suspension in MLB History! Oh, to be a fly on the wall and know what MLB presented at that hearing, after their investigation. Bauer doesn’t want that to come out. He’s not leaked it, nor has MLB. He’s got to play nice or it just might become public. In the meantime, I suggest he don’t drink the water while away.
its_happening
Bauer does not want it to come out in case he decides to sue MLB.
I Believe We Can Win
That’s cool
0 charges filed
Paid 0 money to anyone to date
Lindsey Hill was denied a restraining order
Video surfaced of Lindsey Hill the next morning and text messages detailing her premeditated extortion scheme.
Girl in ARZ was charged for trying to defraud Bauer with fake accusations.
Sure. MLB has stuff on Bauer but district attorneys don’t who are actually in charge of prosecuting him. Right.
All the arbiter decided was based on the cba the mlb had authority to issue a suspension. That was it. MLB doesn’t need to meet the legal requirement the justice system does. Nor does the nfl or nba.
I Believe We Can Win
Lindsey Hill and the girl in ARZ to date. Legal cases for the others also aren’t looking too good.
JoeBrady
foppert2
There’s a small difference. He was an MLB player then.
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When you are wrong, you print a correction. Same as in real life.
I Believe We Can Win
To date we know 4 women accused Trevor Bauer. 2 we have names of 2 we don’t even know who they are.
1 was named Lindsey Hill. She received 0 dollars after her texts and video messages became public knowledge. She dropped her lawsuit shortly after. She was #1
1 was named Darcy Adanna Esemonu and she was charged with trying to defraud Bauer with fake accusations. She was # 4
“ According to the Washington Post, the second accuser withdrew her request for a restraining order after Bauer’s lawyer threatened her with legal action, but has cooperated with MLB.”
I can’t find her name anywhere
The 3rd accuser
This accuser, who lives in Columbus, claims to have met Bauer on a dating app while he was still a minor leaguer in the Cleveland Guardians’ organization
The woman said she consented to being choked, but only up to the point where she looked like she was about to lose consciousness
She is reportedly in possession of video of herself struggling to breathe as Bauer chokes her during sex, but declined to share it with the Post or MLB due to concerns of it leaking:
Don’t know her name either.
So yeah. I’d say the MLBTR should really do right by Trevor Bauer and update the community about his legal situation. Cause it’s been 3 years and to not have names of 2 accusers still. Just beyond stupid.
Hotdog 2
So, what has been proven so far that is “negative”?
Eighty Raw
His legal team conceded that he punched and sodomized an unconscious person. And yet you and your fellow incels still defend him, because…
Blackpink in the area
The longest suspension in MLB history which was magically the exact same number of days he had missed at the time. Weird how that worked out right?
You think Bauer is worried about his reputation???? Lol come on dude.
I Believe We Can Win
Yeah that never happened
Bauer and his legal team have maintained since day one he has never sexually assaulted anyone
He is on record saying he made mistakes like continually hooking up in casual relationships but has never conceded anything of what you’re suggesting.
Deleted Userr
@stymeedone Cool man. How many of them credible?
Deleted Userr
@Eighty Raw The hilarious part is that actual incels would *hate* Trevor Bauer
foppert2
I’m not sure MLBTR accused him of anything. What do they have to correct ?
The evidence for Bauer is easy to find if you are interested in his legal situation. If there is zero interest in his services, there is zero interest in his services. I’m sure if that changes, there will be a corresponding update on the personal side of things included in the report.
Blackpink in the area
They reported on the accusations. Since the accusations have now been proven false they have a responsibility to report on that as well.
foppert2
I can see that point. I can also understand avoiding the soap opera of his personal life is there is nothing new baseball wise to report. Seems like that’s the standard MO of this place. Something MLB baseball happens, the subject gets a full bio update in the report.
Blackpink in the area
They can do what they did with the other Bauer articles which is post them and close the comments. Where is the harm in that? Journalistic integrity matters. Nobody has to pick a side.
foppert2
I’m not sure it’s about the comments. It’s just that there is nothing MLB to report. The recent stuff is all relevant to bauer.com and not MLB. The suspension was amended and concluded months ago. Nothing has changed there.
Deleted Userr
@foppert2 They might not have directly accused him of anything but they did bring more eyeballs to someone else’s accusation so it is equally their responsibility to bring more eyeballs to the exoneration.
And Adanna’s accusation was not related to MLB baseball. He had already been released by the Dodgers before that happened.
“It’s just that there is nothing MLB to report.”
Was also true when the allegation first was made public and they still reported it.
Blackpink in the area
The one girl who made accusations is now being charged with fraud. That’s worth reporting.
Bauer is going to sue if he’s not given an opportunity in the next couple years. And he’s going to win. Perhaps MLB is completely fine with that. Personally I would rather he was given an opportunity and actually earned his money instead of being Kaepernick 2.0.
foppert2
I think you know I support and feel for him from the sexual misconduct aspect of things. But the total apathy being shown to him by MLB, and the resulting apathy being shown in media reporting of his situation, is on Trevor. He made himself the guy that no one in MLB wants to think or read about.
Deleted Userr
It’s pretty easy to glean what the site mods’ opinion is on Bauer even if they won’t just come out and say it.
And yes. I do think Colin Kaepernick should at least be invited to camp by *some* team and allowed to at least *try* to win the starting quarterback job. Although obviously he still has to outperform his competition. Makes no sense to keep punishing him for something that is pretty commonplace in 2024.
Blackpink in the area
That’s nonsense. Again this site and others had no problem reporting the accusations. And now that they have proven to be false it’s about his character and what he said on Twitter? Nonsense.
foppert2
Ok. I disagree.
I absolutely have it as being about the character he has portrayed and the history of weaponising social media against his wider employer. No organisation wants any part of that type of headache. If the Bauer situation isn’t evidence of that, I’m not sure what is.
Blackpink in the area
MLB has a monopoly on professional baseball in America. Because of this they have to allow people a chance to make a living.
He’s going to sue and he’s going to win. I just wish it didn’t have to come to that.
foppert2
He is allowed. Been allowed for months. It just that no owner wants him.
I look forward to following the case. I find the whole thing very entertaining.
Blackpink in the area
Yes and just like Kaepernick all Bauer has to prove is a tiny bit of collusion and he will win his case. If MLB told.a site like this or any other site how to report on Bauer that would be all it takes.
This isn’t right. I don’t like or care about Bauer in any way. But it’s not right.
foppert2
The violent misogynist tag he has to carry is not right. But at the end of the day he picked a fight with powerful people and they took an opportunity to end the contest. Trevor underestimated his fallibility. Thought he was bulletproof. Is what it is. Don’t pick fights with the people that are giving you a platform for fame and fortune.
Blackpink in the area
They didn’t win. He’s going to sue and they are going to have to pay him. Again MLB is a monopoly and because of that the rules are a bit different. They can’t just kick him out and blackball him like this. Not without paying for it.
foppert2
Ok. Well ahead on points then. We will see what happens. If he claws his way back into the contest then well done, Trevor.
Blackpink in the area
Yeah good discussion for sure. Again I don’t care for Bauer at all for me it’s a worker rights issue. Bauer would sue these accusers but there’s no point they don’t have any money. MLB does have money and they will pay and perhaps they know that already and don’t mind doing so.
foppert2
Yes it was. Thankyou.
For the record, I think he has gone about it the wrong way. I suspect if he had gone totally social media dark prior to Japan, and just let a manager address the legal things that happened in a matter of fact way, he would be very close to having an MLB job today. An owner would have caved and given him a shot. Staying front and centre wasn’t smart imo.
Blackpink in the area
MLB is trying to ignore him and act like he doesn’t exist. I don’t blame him for trying to bring attention to his situation when others aren’t doing so.
foppert2
But even the pitching commentary thing he is currently doing on his channel. Being mic’ed up and having his little mate filming in the dugout during games. I’ve watched enough Giants mic’ed up segments to know how much players hate that type of intrusion. It’s just seems so stupid when you are trying to sell yourself to an org. But anyway, it seems Trevor is going to Trevor no matter what.
Blackpink in the area
That might be stupid but it doesn’t equate to a former Cy Young winner not being able to find a job when he’s still in the prime of his career.
I don’t like the guy. But that’s not the point.
Tigers3232
@Hambre I know a guy who needs to move on, maybe find s hobby and enjoy life….
Deleted Userr
I’m enjoying it just fine thanks. That comment took what, 10 seconds to post?
its_happening
No Tigers3232. This is more entertaining than 99% of the comments on here. Let it ride.
JoeBrady
It’s a matter of justice, imo. If Bauer was guilty (even if not convicted), I’d have no problem with Manfred hiring someone to beat him into a coma.
But no reasonable person can look at the evidence and think he is guilty. He should have his name cleared, unless they find at least somewhat compelling.
And I would defend you the same way.
Eighty Raw
“But no reasonable person can look at the evidence and think he is guilty”
Well he very obviously violated MLB’s Joint Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault, and Child Abuse Policy. His lawyers acknowledged that he sodomized and punched an unconscious woman. This is indisputable. And below I have copied the relevant text from MLB.
“Sexual assault refers to a range of behaviors, including a completed nonconsensual
sex act, an attempted nonconsensual sex act, and/or nonconsensual sexual contact.
Lack of consent is inferred when a person uses force, harassment, threat of force,
threat of adverse personnel or disciplinary action, or other coercion, or when the
victim is asleep, incapacitated, unconscious or legally incapable of consent.”
I Believe We Can Win
Where did they do that exactly. You keep saying it but haven’t actually provided when they admitted such. Probably because they didn’t. Cause doing such is a crime and he’s faced 0 charges. The whole unconscious part means they can’t consent. So he’d be looking at rape charges which is far worse than sexual assault least in a legal sense.
Deleted Userr
@Eighty Raw His lawyers never acknowledged that and several different players who very obviously violated the DV policy are still in MLB. They served their suspensions and then the league considered the matter closed.
JoeBrady
Eighty Raw
His lawyers acknowledged that he sodomized and punched an unconscious woman.
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I googled that and found nothing. If you can cite something from a legitimate source, I will gladly take that into consideration.
Eighty Raw
Yes his lawyers very much acknowledged that. I’ve shown you multiple times. And he isn’t in the league because he refuses to take accountability. He is still saying he doesn’t know why he was suspended
JoeBrady
Eighty Raw
Yes his lawyers very much acknowledged that.
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I googled that and found nothing. If you can cite something from a legitimate source, I will gladly take that into consideration.
Eighty Raw
Craig Calcaterra is a baseball writer with a JD. Here is a link to a Redditor’s screenshots of Mr. Calcaterra’s paywalled article about the protective order hearing. The second photo is the relevant photo.
reddit.com/r/Dodgers/s/KMw5dkkpHe
Eighty Raw
And here is a link to a pdf of the second judge’s ruling: web.archive.org/web/20221204213742/https://storage…
You will notice that the factual background mentions the sodomy and punching of an unconscious woman and that “Bauer did not deny engaging in these activities”
I Believe We Can Win
Huh
FYI
1. The following contentions are taken from Hill’s Counterclaim and the parties’ briefings on this motion.
2. The police had Hill call Bauer to discuss the May 16 incident,
told her what to say, and recorded the call. (Id.) During the call,……….Bauer did not dispute engaging in these activities, but said that he should have
gotten clarification from Hill and been on the same page with her about what she was
comfortable with
A. did not dispute =/= admitting engaging in the activities. Especially on a phone call being recorded by the police instructing hill on what to say.
B. How would he get clarification if shes passed out unconscious.
C. Where did his legal team admit such? Your own “proof” is Bauer not talking about it on a phone call between him and Lindsey Hill + Police
3. Bauer argues that the state court’s “decision made clear” that Judge Gould-Saltman
determined Bauer did not commit an act of abuse, which definitionally includes battery
and sexual assault
So your own links provide us evidence proving you dont know what youre talking about. Got it. My best advice dude is read things thoroughly and make sure you read all parts. Not just the cliff notes version.
Eighty Raw
I’ve read the entire document. You would have to be purposefully misreading it to think this is about a phone call. Pathetic really
Eighty Raw
Telling me to read is too funny when you make this argument:
“3. Bauer argues that the state court’s “decision made clear” that Judge Gould-Saltman
determined Bauer did not commit an act of abuse, which definitionally includes battery
and sexual assault”
The majority of the ruling is about how Bauer is so very wrong about this. Come on now.
“Notwithstanding Hill’s consent to some form of rough sex, Bauer
engaged in acts while Hill was unconscious, when she was physically and legally unable
to give consent.”
I Believe We Can Win
Clesrly you havent cause youre full of BS proven by the fact your own article disputes 99% of things you are saying. Your own facts undermine everything you are saying lmao. Way to discredit yourself there bucko.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Joe Brady
Bauer deserves to have the truth printed. But Bauer has had the benefit of spending millions on attorneys and/or investigators. The posters here would be better off focusing their efforts on getting justice for accused perpetrators with lesser financial resources.
Baseball team owners should be able to make hiring decisions based upon their perception of what is good for business and their own reputations.
Bauer has completed his suspension. Now each owner should independently decide if Bauer is good for their business and fan base or not.
Deleted Userr
@Eighty Raw Not disputing something ≠ admitting to it
Travis’ Wood
Imagine using Mexican league stats as if they matter lol
Deleted Userr
What would you prefer?
pileofsandwich
lol ok how about the 2.59 era he had with 140ks he had in 100IP he had last time he was in the majors?
Hotdog 2
Did his legal team say he punched and sodomized am unconscious person?
I Believe We Can Win
No. Cause thats a crime. Unconscious people can’t consent.
Admitting to that would have resulted in charges and probably a conviction.
He was accused of doing such. But his legal team never said yeah he did those things.
He’s maintained innocence and consensual encounters.
JoeBrady
Unconscious people can’t consent.
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All very reasonable, so it is likely to be ignored.
“You cannot reason someone out of something he or she was not reasoned into” (Jonathan Swift, 1721).
Eighty Raw
His legal team did not dispute that he did those things. They could’ve. But they didn’t. Therefore it is considered to have occurred. It’s bizarre how y’all are fighting a fight that even Bauer won’t.
Eighty Raw
As to why charges werent brought, I would imagine it is because 1. The woman asked for pain 2. Gave consent to be choked out 3. Bauer immediately stopped when she, after regaining consciousness, asked him to 4. Went back 5. Wouldnt seem sympathetic to a jury
I’m sure you can find the DA’s statement.
Absolutely none of this changes the fact that Bauer’s team, before a judge, did not push back on the woman’s account of the encounter. They allowed that account to be considered factual. He violated an unconscious woman. This is not up for debate. It is not in dispute. This is why he was handed the longest suspension for Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault, and Child Abuse in MLB history
I Believe We Can Win
Did not dispute =/= admitting guilt. Them not even recognizing or giving it validitiy doesnt mean someone is guilty of a crime.
Im accusing you of being inappropriate with little kids, animals, and dead bodies. If you ignore my accusations you must be guilty of doing such. Prove you are innocnet of my accusations.
Thats your flawed thinking.
I Believe We Can Win
False
Bauer argues that the state court’s “decision made clear” that Judge Gould-Saltman determined Bauer did not commit an act of abuse, which definitionally includes battery and sexual assault
Bauer argues that Hill is precluded from bringing her claims of battery and sexual assault due to collateral estoppel based on the state court findings in the DVRO
i.e. Collateral estoppel precludes relitigation of issues argued and decided in prior proceedings
(prior ruling that the jude ruled Bauer did not committ an act of abuse)
In her opposition, Hill does not contest that the first, second, fourth, and fifth elements of collateral estoppel are met, and the Court agrees.
Hill even admitted she had no legal reason to bring up stuff already decided, Bauer did not committ assault based on previous rulings.
Straight from your own link dude.
Eighty Raw
If you made those accusations before a judge, I would push back you absolute moron.
Eighty Raw
Absolutely pathetic how you are ignoring facts
Eighty Raw
“Prove you are innocnet (sic) of my accusations.”
That’s not what was being asked! They just had to contend that no, that is false. And they didnt!
I Believe We Can Win
Bauer argues that the state court’s “decision made clear” that Judge Gould-Saltman determined Bauer did not commit an act of abuse, which definitionally includes battery and sexual assault
Bauer argues that Hill is precluded from bringing her claims of battery and sexual assault due to collateral estoppel based on the state court findings in the DVRO
i.e. Collateral estoppel precludes relitigation of issues argued and decided in prior proceedings
(prior ruling that the jude ruled Bauer did not committ an act of abuse)
In her opposition, Hill does not contest that the first, second, fourth, and fifth elements of collateral estoppel are met, and the Court agrees.
Hill even admitted she had no legal reason to bring up stuff already decided, Bauer did not committ assault based on previous rulings.
Straight from your own link dude. Read your own stuff man.
I Believe We Can Win
Bauer argues that the state court’s “decision made clear” that Judge Gould-Saltman determined Bauer did not commit an act of abuse, which definitionally includes battery and sexual assault
Bauer argues that Hill is precluded from bringing her claims of battery and sexual assault due to collateral estoppel based on the state court findings in the DVRO
i.e. Collateral estoppel precludes relitigation of issues argued and decided in prior proceedings
(prior ruling that the jude ruled Bauer did not committ an act of abuse)
In her opposition, Hill does not contest that the first, second, fourth, and fifth elements of collateral estoppel are met, and the Court agrees.
Hill even admitted she had no legal reason to bring up stuff already decided, Bauer did not committ assault based on previous rulings.
Straight from your own link dude. Read your own facts man.
I Believe We Can Win
Bauer argues that the state court’s “decision made clear” that Judge Gould-Saltman determined Bauer did not commit an act of abuse, which definitionally includes battery and sexual assault
Bauer argues that Hill is precluded from bringing her claims of battery and sexual assault due to collateral estoppel based on the state court findings in the DVRO
i.e. Collateral estoppel precludes relitigation of issues argued and decided in prior proceedings
(prior ruling that the jude ruled Bauer did not committ an act of abuse)
In her opposition, Hill does not contest that the first, second, fourth, and fifth elements of collateral estoppel are met, and the Court agrees.
Hill even admitted she had no legal reason to bring up stuff already decided, Bauer did not committ assault based on previous rulings.
Straight from your own link dude. Proof read your own stuff next time.
Deleted Userr
“His legal team did not dispute that he did those things. They could’ve. But they didn’t. Therefore it is considered to have occurred.”
Not true no matter how many times you say it.
JayRyder
The Hits just keep on coming. Or lack thereof
giantsguy41
At least we’re leading the league in something….
Clofreesz
Ouch.
Chrome 8550
Call the guardians they have outfielders available. Myles straw and Ramon lauerano could had for a bucket of baseballs.
solaris602
They’re healthy bodies, and that’s about it. Add one or both and your offense will go from bad to much worse. Straw is great defensively and is not injury prone. The pluses end there unfortunately.
osfandan
Hays or Stowers may be available from my Orioles.
RobM
Hopefully it’s not a serious dislocation.
Old York
Thoughts and prayers for his recovery. With that said, he is playing at 10% below league average so not a significant loss to the team.
Mitchell Page
Someone should look to the A’s as Estuary Ruiz is being wasted on the bench . A Reds uniform would suit him well .
pileofsandwich
He is being platooned. He has always been bad at hitting right handers, but is especially bad this year at 136 average while not walking. He doesn’t get on base against righties to use his best asset. Why wouldn’t they platoon him with Lawrence Butler who hits righties better (not by much but still better).
Baseball77
Last I checked, Meckler was on the 7 day IL with Sacramento. Doubt he is coming up
5TUNT1N
If so he may have gotten the call before Matos.
Baseball77
Very possible, depending on his performance. I don’t think he’s played yet this season.
The Giants are down to Marco Luciano, Jackson Reetz and David Villar on their 40 man roster to call up. I would guess it will be either Luciano or Villar. Reetz has the best offensive numbers in AAA of the three but I doubt he gets the call since that would put the Giants at three catchers. However, the Giants did play him some in the outfield last year at AAA.
I would guess it will be Luciano He is an on base machine with the RiverCats and is the most exciting name of the 3. His lack of power in AAA is concerning but he is still young.
5TUNT1N
Watched a River cats game and Luciano wasn’t at short, so even a tighter list based off that and villar inability to contribute anything meaningful.
giacgara
It’s f***ing May. Yes, it sucks that it seems everybody’s injured, but a) all teams have injured players, and b) all teams have players that suck early. Stop judging Snell and Chapman this early because they signed so late and wait until late June to see where the Giants are. Everybody wants to make snap judgments on players over individual game performances and baseball is not like that. It’s a long season with many ups and downs. If you want instant gratification, replay NFL games or go play the lotto. Otherwise, wait til July to b**ch about Farhan or Melvin or whoever. Or quit the Giants. I’m sure the Sacra-Vegas A’s need fans.
User 4223176798
It should not be a surprise. You get players made of porcelain, this is what you get. Farhan gets fleeced with every signing he makes. There is a reason why Farhan can sign these players – no one else will.
foppert2
You are confusing the players with the fans.
JoeBrady
You get players made of porcelain
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So that’s what it is? Nothing to do with running into a wall full speed?
Blackpink in the area
Why do the Giants not have a shortstop? Seems like they could use one. As a Cardinal fan I can assure you Crawford is washed up but is Nick Ahmed really all that better?
foppert2
Primarily a failed medical followed by a dearth of FA options the following year.
Ahmed was one of the better performers in the first month so without tracking Craws progress, I’m guessing it’s a yes he is.
Blackpink in the area
Ahmed is playing like a replacement level player. Yes that’s better than Crawford but why not go get a legit shortstop? Spent a pile of money on Soler who they didn’t need. Why not get a shortstop?
foppert2
They probably would have if there was one that fit the need available in FA. It wasn’t money that was stopping them.
Soler was a different need.
This one belongs to the Reds
I saw the game. Felt for the kid, but credit him for all out hustle.
GSWfanklay
Jung Hoo get well soon! Love this kid, think he can be a really good player
UWishUWereMe
David Peralta just opted out of minor league deal with Cubs. Proven MLB glove and bat. Low risk add.
solaris602
I’d agree with that. He’s decent defensively and has stayed fairly healthy in recent years. Not gonna give you much at the plate these days, though.
Mickey Solis
Perfect time to lose half your lineup with the Dodgers coming to town! 🙁
Longtimecoming
Mickey, as bad as the lineup has been, maybe wholesale changes will be a benefit! Beat LA!
Rays in the Bay
Yikes. I knew the Giants weren’t gonna be good this year but they have had some awful luck too. Wish Lee a quick recovery.
Pads Fans
Other sources are saying structural damage to his shoulder and he is seeing an orthopedic surgeon. If he has to have surgery, his season is over. Sad end to the season for him.