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White Sox Notes: Robert, Trades, Ramos, Leone

By Mark Polishuk | May 25, 2024 at 10:52am CDT

Luis Robert Jr. began a minor league rehab assignment this week with two games in the Arizona Complex League, and the outfielder will soon be headed to Triple-A Charlotte, White Sox manager Pedro Grifol told MLB.com and other media.  “He’ll have that Minor League day off on Monday, get a workout in and then he’ll start playing his Charlotte games on Tuesday,” Grifol said.  “We’ll see after that.  I think probably by the middle of next week or something like that, he’ll be cleared with his leg, and then it becomes [at-bats] and timing and stuff like that.”

While there’s still some fluidity within this timeline, it does seem like Robert is perhaps a week or so away from returning to Chicago’s lineup.  Robert suffered a Grade 2 hip flexor strain in the first week of April, and given his past history of hip injuries, there was an initial concern that Robert could be facing an extended layoff — another flexor strain cost Robert almost three months of the 2021 season.  However, this latest injury ended up being less serious, and Robert appears to be on pace with the six-week recovery timeline that GM Chris Getz floated in mid-April.

Injuries have been a dominant theme of Robert’s MLB career, though the outfielder’s star potential has been evident whenever he has been able to take the field.  Robert hit .264/.315/.542 with 38 homers and 20 steals over a career-high 595 plate appearances and 145 games last season, finally staying healthy long enough to deliver a top-quality season.  Between his offensive production and solid defense, Robert generated 4.9 fWAR in 2023, a number topped by only 16 position players in all of baseball.

Assuming that Robert returns soon and continues this good form, more trade rumors will inevitably surface as the deadline approaches.  As per the terms of the contract extension he signed with the Sox prior to his MLB debut, Robert is owed roughly $8.6MM for the remainder of this season, $15MM in 2025, and then the White Sox have club options on his services for both 2026 and 2027 (each worth $20MM with a $2MM buyout).

The rebuilding Sox have no bigger trade chip than Robert, though Getz didn’t sound too motivated to move Robert when asked about his availability last offseason.  In comments to Kyle Williams of the Chicago Sun-Times and other reporters yesterday, Getz again signaled that the White Sox are generally open for business on everyone, but “some players on the team that I think make a little more sense than others” to be dealt by the deadline.

“We’re open on players on our club just because we know we’ve got to make strides to get back to being a competitive team here in the AL Central,” Getz said.  “We’ve got our pro scouts monitoring other clubs’ prospects closely….The minor leagues are the strongest avenue to improve your Major League club.  We are excited about what we are building at the minor league level, and we are going to look for opportunities to add to our group.  We look forward to July and the opportunity to insert more talent into our group.”

Getz will surely be looking for a premium return in any Robert trade, which could impact the outfielder’s chances of being moved at the deadline or perhaps in the offseason.  If questions about Robert’s health persist among potential suitors, Getz could hang onto Robert in the hopes that two more healthy and productive months throughout the remainder of the 2024 campaign would help clear any doubts about his readiness.  Waiting until the winter could also open up Robert’s trade market to more teams, even though his added years of contractual control means that his deadline market wouldn’t necessarily be limited just to this season’s contenders.

Even if the White Sox don’t pull the trigger on swapping Robert, there are plenty of other players up and down the roster that might traded by the July 30 deadline in a variety of big and little deals.  A veteran rental reliever like Dominic Leone could be a natural candidate to be moved in a low-level transaction, yet Leone’s trade value is pretty minimal right now after another trip to the injured list.

Chicago placed Leone on the 15-day IL yesterday (with a retroactive placement date of May 21) due to inflammation in his throwing elbow.  That placement came almost immediately after another 15-day IL stint due to back tightness, and Leone made just one in-game appearance in between those two stops on the injured list.  Grifol expressed hope that Leone would again be able to return after just the minimum 15 days, as “everything came back clean and clear” on Leone’s elbow after testing.

Beyond just the injury problems, Leone also has a 7.04 ERA over 15 1/3 innings.  His career-long troubles with the home run ball have again surfaced, as the right-hander has allowed four homers over his 15 1/3 frames, as well as an ungainly 15.7% walk rate.  It thus far hasn’t been remotely the bounce-back Leone was hoping for after he joined the White Sox on a minor league deal this past winter, coming off a 4.67 ERA in 54 combined innings with the Mets, Angels, and Mariners in 2023.

The White Sox called up righty Justin Anderson from Triple-A as the corresponding move for Leone yesterday, and brought another familiar face back to the active roster today when third baseman Bryan Ramos was reinstated from the 10-day IL.  Outfielder Zach DeLoach was optioned to Triple-A to create roster space for Ramos, who will miss just a minimum amount of time after being sidelined with a left quad strain.

Before the injury, Ramos hit .281/.294/.344 over the first 34 plate appearances of his big league career.  Ramos was receiving everyday work at third base and should resume that role upon his return, as the White Sox seem eager to explore his potential as a possible third baseman of the future.  The Sox promoted Ramos to the big league straight from Double-A, and Ramos hadn’t received any Triple-A playing time until two games with Charlotte during his just-completed minor league rehab assignment.

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  1. Jbigz12

    1 year ago

    Leone has a 7 ERA. He’d be a DFA candidate on a decent team

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    • Emilia

      1 year ago

      He has contributed a great deal the Sox poor record.

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    • avenger65

      1 year ago

      jbigz: The Sox roster is pretty.much made up of nothing but dfa’s.

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  2. Jbigz12

    1 year ago

    Sheets, Kopech, & Fedde should all be moved at the deadline though.

    Fedde ought to fetch the most if he can sustain his current level of production.

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    • Aiden Awe

      1 year ago

      I don’t think Sheets is moved. Fedde and Kopech yes.

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      • Jbigz12

        1 year ago

        Sheets might not. 3 more years of control but if they’re not moving on from Vaughn—sell Sheets now while he has some surplus value. He’s not an outfielder.

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        • avenger65

          1 year ago

          jbigz (my new best friend) : Just because Sheets is controllable for 3 more years doesn’t mean anything. Burger was also controllable for three years when he got traded but, hey, who needs a guy who hits 30+ home runs a year?

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        • Jbigz12

          1 year ago

          Burger looks like crap right now. Not sure that Jake Eder will ever make much of an impact though.

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      • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

        1 year ago

        Pham too if he keeps hitting over .300

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        • Jbigz12

          1 year ago

          Yep, Pham definitely. He’s been very vocal about his desire to play everyday though. Probably at least one contender that would do that if he keeps this up though.

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        • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

          1 year ago

          Mariners are a great fit for Pham, cheap, good contact hitter, could get reps at LF or DH (or RF is Mitch still is doing horrible)

          Ryan bliss would be enough to bring him to the PNF

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        • Jbigz12

          1 year ago

          Makes sense to me.

          Reply
        • avenger65

          1 year ago

          jbigz (Lunch next Thursday?): A lot of teams wanted Pham, like SS. Why he signed for the worst team out there is a mystery to me. He doesn’t deserve wasting his talent on the Titanic.

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    • avenger65

      1 year ago

      jbigz: Me again. Not only those three, but Robert will be gone well before next season simply because no way is Reinsdorf paying anyone $15m. Also gone is Pham. I look forward to watching the White Sox, meaning SD (Cease), Miami (Burger, Anderson), Boston(Gio – well, next year) and Atlanta (Lopez, Bummer, Garcia). Next year that number will expand when Moncada is let go. Most of those were part of a team that could have been a perennial contender under Renteria, but jer didn’t want that. He wants to build a team not on ability but on the cheap. Too bad he hates the Sox and Bulls so much. No new stadium for you ! NEXT (owner)!

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      • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

        1 year ago

        They should have tried to keep old comiskey, it would have been like Fenway or wrigley today if they had kept it and renovated it

        I drove by guaranteed rate on the highway and it is in a horrible part of town and is outdated

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        • Hammerin' Hank

          1 year ago

          But isn’t Guaranteed Rate right beside where Old Comiskey was? Same part of town. Although I too wish they had kept it.

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        • palehose1

          1 year ago

          Bridgeport is much safer than Wrigleyville
          Check the crime stats

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        • quonset point

          1 year ago

          Lol, the problem isn’t Bridgeport so much as everything around it. Trust me, I work in Back of the Yards.

          Reply
      • lesterdnightfly

        1 year ago

        “… no way is Reinsdorf paying anyone $15m ….”
        Unless it’s Andrew BeingTendered, with his .473 OPS.

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  3. Johnny utah

    1 year ago

    Robert will be back soon
    Til the next time he gets hurt
    Mayb a trade would do him good

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    • Dogbone

      1 year ago

      They better put Robert and Eloy in bubble wrap.

      1
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      • Susannah

        1 year ago

        Poor bubble wraps. They will find ways to destroy bubble wraps.

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        • avenger65

          1 year ago

          Hopefully their next teams will have a competent medical staff.

          Reply
    • cr4

      1 year ago

      I know at Ozzie Guillen has already called them out with the you can’t pull fat comment but at some point when it’s nearly all soft tissue/muscle injuries both Luis and Eloy need to have somebody on them about their preparation. It’s would be a shame to see both of their immense talents go to waste

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      • Jbigz12

        1 year ago

        Eloy needs to retire the glove at this point and just hit.

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      • avenger65

        1 year ago

        Eloy has to learn to cut the bases. Every time he steps on a base his hamstring gives out.

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  4. Fun for all

    1 year ago

    Just blow the team up

    1
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    • Aiden Awe

      1 year ago

      They barely did if you take away the Cease trade.

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      • avenger65

        1 year ago

        Fun: They already have, and what little talent they have left will be gone shortly.

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    • DeepDownSouth

      1 year ago

      Yeah, just blow the team up so the whining & crying can get more intense. Are any of you clowns even White Fans or CubbyBear fan or did you wife/girlfriend just kick you to the curb, but what are the real issues? Go with the flow? Gain Points of the other haters? What, just explain why so much hate if Sox are your team? Sox were not an elite team even before Reinsdorf bought them. Just just wondering, why? Anyone please explain, because every trade, draft pick, signing nothing is ever good enough for yall sniveling, drooling babies

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      • nrd1138

        1 year ago

        Im sorry, what is your point?
        “Go down with the ship?” “Remember the Alamo?”
        Why is it that people should mindlessly root for a team with horrible systemic and glaring issues that fanboys like you ,apparently, cannot see?
        Ill wait for your inane response.

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        • Spotswood

          1 year ago

          “Why is it that people should mindlessly root for a team…”

          Nrd, those people are called cheerleaders or Schriffens.

          Reply
      • Spotswood

        1 year ago

        Lighten up Francis

        Reply
  5. Atlanta Jack

    1 year ago

    Competitive for a World Series title should be are goal not the American League Central . That just not the White Sox way.

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  6. Serubian

    1 year ago

    move robert out of center to left to prevent him from being injured like trout.

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    • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

      1 year ago

      Center field isn’t why trout got injured so much
      Most of the time trout would tweak something trying to steal a base or in the at bat

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      • avenger65

        1 year ago

        Same with Robert. He doesn’t get hurt playing CF, he gets hurt on the IF. The Sox should go to the nearest Little League team and hire their coach to teach Eloy, Robert and Moncada how to run to 1b without having it result in a trip to the IL. That’s also how Madrigal and Mendick got hurt (although Mendick got hurt between 3b and home plate). Madrigal was our 2bman of the future.

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        • nrd1138

          1 year ago

          The most common thing I see on the Sox are hip flexor and hamstring issues, both of which can be likely resolved with proper stretching and exercise to ligaments, I’m guessing there may be some vitamin deficiencies as well, given where there guys grew up. While they probably think that Yoga and Pilates are too ‘girly’ for them, Im fairly certain if they strengthened their cores that they would be much less likely to get such injuries throughout their bodies. Herm Schneider likely would have caught onto this, but either this current staff is too afraid to broach the subject, or the players are not listening. If the player does not want to get better, then they should be released (if they cannot be traded). Again, accountability is the name of the game here. As an org with no apparent accountability you see stuff like this going on.

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  7. wanderslust

    1 year ago

    Leone’s career is emblematic of the boom/bust of many relievers. He’s had some solid years followed up by awful years. Whoever gets him NEXT year will likely be happy, but for this year, he’s the proverbial turd in the punchbowl.

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    • nrd1138

      1 year ago

      Yeah Relievers are funny like that, they typically are good every other season.. that and over exposure can doom some guess where less you see of them, the better they are against opponents. Bullpens used a lot tend to get worse as time goes on, partly due to load, and partly due to the data on those guys as they pitch more.

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  8. dano62

    1 year ago

    Is Ramos really ready? He’s going to get at bats and likely won’t show much power (for a while) but he’s shown some decent hitting tools…

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    • avenger65

      1 year ago

      dano: He’s kind of like Colas. Big minor league star, the answer to our RF issues. Now he’s struggling in AAA.

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      • nrd1138

        1 year ago

        If Colas is struggling in AAA, Id demote him to A ball to send a message. Ding his pride and see what happens. Either he gets the message or continues to be mediocre in which case no need to have him taking the roster spot of someone else who wants to succeed and still has a chance.

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  9. Aiden Awe

    1 year ago

    My issue is that if Getz keeps trading all of these scrubs, you’re allowing Getz to buy more time tbh.

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  10. Slider_withcheese

    1 year ago

    LR JR’s contract is a steal. Even at its height of 20 million, it’s still only 500k more than a Starling Marte type. (Literally). The other salary comps at 20 are Happ, Nimmo, and Castellanos and he’s better than all three.

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    • larkraxm

      1 year ago

      That is not wrong. It also is why he would be an attractive trade target for a team needing a bat. The issue is what good is LR JR when you need 8 more starters to go with him. Trade him and anybody else you can get a minor league arm for and just reset.

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      • Aiden Awe

        1 year ago

        The time to trade him was last offseason. Could have gotten the Juan Soto or similar deal. Sox are 3 years away from competing no matter what they do with him.

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        • larkraxm

          1 year ago

          Exactly. Why keep him around on a team that is not going to compete? Might as well try to get some pieces that will be part of that competitive team three to four years from now.

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        • Aiden Awe

          1 year ago

          The only reason why I think Getz didn’t trade Robert is the payroll. Lots of money is coming off the books. They only have 60m in guaranteed payroll assuming options are declined on Eloy and Yoan Moncada and assuming they let 1 year deals walk in FA. Some payroll flexibility.

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        • Jbigz12

          1 year ago

          They can’t spend their way into contention with the current roster though. They need to accumulate more talent in the system.

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        • Aiden Awe

          1 year ago

          I’m not saying they are contenders in 2025. But my issue is that if Getz keeps selling then you’re allowing him to buy more time. I’m hoping Getz spend some money on the offense.

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    • Hammerin' Hank

      1 year ago

      The Dodgers could easily afford him.

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    • DeepDownSouth

      1 year ago

      Thank you

      Reply
  11. AC Surf Baseball

    1 year ago

    Think Michael Kopech is an under the radar, low key trade deadline target. He’s adjusted pretty well to the pen, still has the good velo and would be a solid middle reliever for a contender. Phillies could use another RH power arm for their pen, maybe a couple of older 2nd or 3rd tier prospects/players would get it done. Simon Muzzioti & Gunner Mayer, something like that.

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    • ohyeadam

      1 year ago

      He fits into any contending trams budget and roster

      Reply
  12. Aiden Awe

    1 year ago

    White Sox should trade Flexen, Fedde, Kopech, anyone on 1 year deals like Pham. They are ranked 12th farm system, for some reason Bleacher gave them #3.

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    • Aiden Awe

      1 year ago

      If they traded Robert last offseason, easily a top 5 farm system.

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      • Franklin

        1 year ago

        They trade Robert and they have nothing . Name one bona-fide starter outside of Robert . Their teams of the last 5 years couldn’t make a good Triple A team.

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    • DeepDownSouth

      1 year ago

      Maybe Bleacher has a bit more credibility than you. White Sox has some pretty good possible studs in minors. I don’t think people really understand that not every prospect can make the jump in 1-3 years and be THE GUY, Ask Holliday about difference between Triple-A & MLB

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      • Aiden Awe

        1 year ago

        I think so as well. I’m hoping that they improve the offense next offseason.

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  13. CenterWingPolitics

    1 year ago

    If Kelenic and Duvall aren’t doing much still by the deadline the Braves might be in on Robert.

    With Ozuna having an option year for next season they could conceivably move on from him but have Robert as the replacement and rotate players through DH who can also field

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    • Aiden Awe

      1 year ago

      Braves don’t have the farm system to acquire Robert tbh.

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  14. Walker4daWinn

    1 year ago

    Cards fan wondering what would be the range of asking price on robert?

    Would this seem reasonable…victor scott II, won-bin Cho, gordon graceffo, brycen mautz

    For Luis robert jr. And Michael kopech

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    • Aiden Awe

      1 year ago

      Cards don’t have a good farm system.

      1
      Reply
  15. SalaryCapMyth

    1 year ago

    I feel like you are actually trying to trick someone. I know enough about you to look up what you say. This info is readily available. Vin Scully never said anything like this. If you disagree, post the evidence.
    youtu.be/EfoVUI22fRA?si=daZtFv0-OGywHeWV

    Every team had the same comparable chances to win the world series as any other team any other year.
    I can’t see any logical reason I should place an asterisk next to this championship.

    Reply
  16. Franklin

    1 year ago

    How about my Sox doing a complete overhaul from top to bottom. You can’t field a team with other teams rejects and a front office of know nothings

    Reply
  17. Aiden Awe

    1 year ago

    They already have a good farm system even if they don’t trade Robert tbh. Ranked 12th as of rn. If Getz traded him last offseason for the Juan Soto or similar deal, would easily be top 5.

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