The Angels have recalled left-hander Reid Detmers to the major league roster to fill one of the spots created by today’s roster expansion, as first reporter by Russell Dorsey of Yahoo Sports.
Detmers, 25, hasn’t pitched in the majors since early June after being optioned to Triple-A following a brutal start to the season that saw him post a 6.14 ERA and 4.40 FIP in his first 12 starts of the season. The lefty has worked to a lackluster 5.54 ERA in 14 starts at the Triple-A level since then, but has shown signs of life recently with a 1.29 ERA and an eye-popping 36.3% strikeout rate in 21 innings of work across his last three starts. That trio of dominant performances was evidently enough for the club to decide to return him to the majors for the stretch run in hopes he can re-establish himself as a quality big league rotation arm ahead of the 2025 campaign.
From a service time perspective, Detmers’s demotion lasting most of the year has allowed the Angels to lock in an additional year of team control over the southpaw, who now won’t become a free agent until after the 2028 season has concluded. Prior to this season, the tenth-overall pick in the 2020 draft had already made 58 starts in the big leagues across three seasons but had accrued just over two years of service time. He’s currently set to accrue just over three months of service time this year, a figure that will put him just under the 172-day threshold to earn a full service year even after factoring in the 64 days toward his third year of service he entered the campaign with.
With the left-hander now back in the majors, the Angels have six healthy rotation arms in the fold as Detmers joins veterans Tyler Anderson and Griffin Canning as well as youngsters Caden Dana, Jack Kochanowicz, and Samuel Aldegheri. Detmers, Dana, Kochanowicz, and Aldegheri all would make sense to retain as the Halos evaluate their young talent ahead of a 2025 season that could see any number of them pitching in the Opening Day rotation, while Tyler Anderson’s status as the club’s veteran workhorse with a 3.55 ERA in 162 1/3 innings of work this year makes him all but guaranteed to remain in the rotation down the stretch.
It’s fair to wonder if those realities indicate that right-hander Griffin Canning is running out of time as a member of the club’s rotation, particularly given his lackluster 5.19 ERA and 5.17 FIP in 144 innings of work this year. With that being said, however, Rhett Bollinger of MLB.com noted yesterday that the club is considering utilizing a six-man rotation down the stretch instead of bumping any of their current starters out of the rotation to accommodate Detmers. The Halos famously used a six-man rotation regularly from 2021 to 2023 to accommodate the needs of two-way superstar Shohei Ohtani, but the club indicated this winter after Ohtani departed for the Dodgers that they intended to return to a traditional five-man rotation now that they weren’t accommodating the needs of a generational talent.
Despite that reluctance, it could make some sense for the Angels to utilize a six-man rotation down the stretch. After all, it would allow them to work in some extra rest for arms like those of Anderson and Canning that have taken on fairly heavy workloads this year without kicking them to the bullpen, and it could provide flexibility for the club as they look to evaluate their young arms ahead of the 2025 campaign. Most importantly, today’s expansion of rosters from 26 to 28 players means the club has an extra pitcher to work with, so a six-man rotation wouldn’t require the club to play a man short in the bullpen.
What difference does it make? Are they trying to cut innings for their playoff appearance that isn’t going to happen?
I highly doubt it’s going to matter much towards competing next year, but they desperately need some of these young guys to step up and become big league pieces. There isn’t much harm getting a look at as many of them as possible.
I agree, but some of these young guys have had plenty of chances to step it up. Canning? He should have been gone a couple years ago. Same with Sandoval. We hang on to guys for years who show a half season of good stuff and then treat them like that’s their new normal when it isn’t. I’m afraid Detmers will be the same deal. He had a no-hitter a couple years ago and suddenly that’s the expectation when that was an anomaly.
But the thing is detmers is considerably younger than canning and Sandoval, and detmers has the K rates that they do not have
Canning was a top prospect. Detmers was a top prospect.
Most top prospect pitchers don’t make it. And almost no starting pitchers who are not top prospect make it.
If you don’t hang onto them, then you have no chance versus some chance. Do you want to end up with fodder prospects like Aldegheri, who has virtually no chance.
I actually prefer having a chance versus no chance.
Aldegheri could have turned in a very solid debut had Neto made the play with two out in the 1st. He flew through the remainder of the outing. Detmers has stud written all over him- but he needs to be more consistent.
His many line drives hit gloves?
His stat cast page is all blue. There is a reason why no one thinks he’s much of a prospect. But if you want to start him until all doubt is removed, fine. The Angels need to shutdown Dana and I don’t care who gets his innings.
Totally agree Halo, but Canning and Sandoval, and even Detmers have been given their chances to succeed and haven’t. Canning especially imo. Detmers might still be viable.
The Angels have 3 pitching projects that have a FV of 45 according to Fangraphs. Dana and Aldegheri are both at a FV of 45. Klassen is the highest rated pitcher in the Angel’s organization at 45+. The Angels don’t have a pitching prospect that is rated 50 or better.
Ok, 45 is certainly better than 35.
Neither of these two pitchers have shown promise with the Angels. I’m not quite sure how they jumped ten points… BUT, we’ll see what fangraphs write about them next year.
45 deserves more of an open mind, but Aldegheri was not good yesterday. When someone writes that, I pretty much disqualify them.
Stuff+ yesterday was 87.
prov356- They all 3 have shone good “STUFF” consistently enough, just not locating that stuff consistently. This seems to me to be a more mental thing than physical, Players with the stuff they have and that have pitched to ERAs under 3 for half a season in Detmers or over a full season as in Sandoval., have shone they have the ABILITY to be very good. Detmers is still young and developing. This is not uncommon for even hall of fame caliber pitchers to be less than consistent to start. Cole with the Pirates, Scherzer with the D”Backs were not to the level we think of them,
Halo11Fan- Aldegheri has “no chance”?? I think he has a possibility of becoming a useful pitcher. There are plenty of useful pitchers out there that have never been a “TOP” 100 prospect. What I see is IF he can improve his command, he might be useful .
Tim, I have not looked at Canning, Detmers and Sandoval recently on fangraphs. Check out there stuff+ and location plus data. I will after this post.
See if you are right.
Dana’s statcast page is mostly red. Aldegheri is almost all blue. Dana threw some wicked pitches yesterday.
Tim. Pretty much no chance. Not with his current stuff.
And since this organization has done a horrible job of developing pitchers with good stuff, I’d say almost no chance.
Canning? He should have been gone a couple years ago.
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Canning had a 104 ERA+ last year. Even the best teams in BB need at least one, maybe two guys like that.
Halo- For some reason it switches to hitting when viewing +. What I am saying is that this seems to be a problem more in certain situations. Detmers could be a little less of this. This even if was the result of bad mechanics has a probable mental trigger.
Something is wrong with those two, that’s for sure, especially Detmers.
Those guys should be solid major league pitchers.
If the Angels were known for developing pitchers, I wouldn’t be so negative. They turn diamonds into coal, I can’t imagine them turning coal into diamonds.
@Halo
What is wrong with you? Why do you find every possibly way to continually push your opinion on Aldeghri onto everyone?
Fine you are not high on him, but it is bazaar how often you find a need to down play him. Why can’t you say your piece and move on?
What’s wrong with you? I would suggest you don’t jump off a cliff and hope you grow wings.
Blind stupid optimism is still stupid.
I keep down playing him down as a reaction to stupid rebuttals.
Google and I had a nice back and forth. It’s easy to have a dialog when both sides actually wish to discuss a topic with logic rather than hyperbole.
Where is anyone being overly optimistic in regards to Aldeghri? No one is saying he will even make next years rotation.
Everything I have read, is people conveying they are happy he is getting a chance to see what he can do at the big league level. If there was ever a year to give someone a chance, this year is the year.
By the way you may want to recheck yourself on the hyperbole reference. .
Give me an example here. I’d love to hear what you think is hyperbole as far as any reference to Aldeghri.
people conveying they are happy he is getting a chance to see what he can do at the big league level.
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I agree. He’s not without talent, and there is no downside no matter how bad he is.
Joe I think Halo fan would beg to differ…
Disagree with what? He doesn’t have “stuff”. He was not successful in at AA, and his talent doesn’t compare to real prospects.
His entire statcast page is blue.
He’s talented compared to me. That’s the bar?
still waiting…………..
hyperbole?
I agree Tim. The problem I have is their development should be in the minors, not in the majors. But because Moreno doesn’t value pitching, they are all we have that can remotely pitch at the major league level. The minors is where these guys should hone their mental game.
Six man rotation? This is the dumbest organization in baseball.
Dana is 20 years old, has thrown almost 70 more innings this year than last year. Let him pitch today and shut him down.
As far as the rest, who cares?
@halos11fan wouldn’t mind him staying in a long man role to get rid of Contreras and have him working with enright til the end of the season.
Dana has simply thrown enough innings. Shutting him down is the wise move.
I don’t think a six man is too unquestionable at this point as long as they don’t plan to carry it over to start next season. They really aren’t playing for anything at this point. The Angels will need to cobble together a rotation our of Anderson, Detmers, Silseth, Soriano, Sandoval, Canning, Dana, Kochawicz, and Aldegheri.
If everyone is healthy, the young guys are likely to start of in the minors but will likely be needed at some point next year. Let them get exposure to the major league hitters and use to working with O’Hoppe.
I don’t care about the six pitchers, I don’t care who is in th3 rotation. but Dana has thrown enough innings.
He’s 20 years old. It’s time to shut him down.
@Halo That is a fair take. He has already doubled his workload over the previous year. No sense in pushing more than that.
Good to get them some experience. One way or another, Canning and Rendon won’t be back next year, unless he’s stashed on the bench. This team is getting close to contention.
They won’t be back next year?
You know this how?
My guess based on: 1. Canning’s 5.00 ERA, players they’re already bringing up as likely replacements, the worst 3B in the league with 0 HR. 597 OPS and 9 RBI (what?!!), about a .500 team since June 1 so they’re close to competing. You don’t have the worst 3B on a competing team and Canning is not improving.
They are not going to just release them.
We’ll see. Best case for Rendon is that he goes to Driveline and improves, but we know he’s not that motivated. Or he sits on the bench. Competing teams cannot play anyone with a .597 OPS. You Halo11 can do better than that.
And maybe Canning goes to the bullpen? He won’t be starting next year unless he wins the 5th starter iob, which is unlikely per his track record. His replacements are here with Klassen up next and whatever acquisitions they get.
conin – …” about a .500 team since June 1 so they’re close to competing.” I’ve notice you say they are .500 since June 1 a few times on this board.
Between June 1 and September 1, they are 35-43, which is a .448 winning percentage. 8 games under a .500 ball club since June 1 is nowhere near close to competing.
They were 2 games under .500 about a week or so ago. They had one of the best records in baseball for about a month this summer. Add in Trout, Christian Moore, subtract Rendon and Canning, have Dana do what he did today; acquire a few players and they will be competitive.
They are on the verge of having the worst record in Angel history, but because they have one good week, they are close?
How dumb is that?
Wow, a team has a six game winning streak against Detroit and Oakland an WHAM!!!, They are right there.
People be crazy.
conin – “Add in Trout, Christian Moore, subtract Rendon and Canning, have Dana do what he did today; acquire a few players and they will be competitive.”
No disrespect to you, but that’s exactly what we’ve needed for the last decade. We just aren’t close to competing other than a couple of streaks that end up being anomalies every year. Competing begins and ends with your pitching staff. We haven’t had a competitive staff in years because Moreno doesn’t value pitching.
Except for Neto, who is 14th at fWAR for shortstops, we are below average at every position and this guy thinks we are close?
He should go into politics.
Lol I really do work in politics. Besides that, you guys have it all wrong. It wasn’t just a few streaks, they had one of the best MLB records from early June through July (2 months) and were close to a .500 team into mid August. They have one of the best bullpens since that time. A .500 team is within reach of a wild card, A rotation of a needed no. 1, Dana, Soriano, Anderson and a grab bag no 5 (Detmers?) would have them competitive in 2025 with Trout, Moore. They need a 3B, RF, LF and DH.
Between June 1 and September 1, they are 35-43, which is a .448 winning percentage.
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It’s worse than you think. Their Py W/L since 6/1 is only .386. And that’s worse than their full-year Py W/L of .401.
They had one of the best records in baseball for about a month this summer.
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Except for September, they have not had a month where they out-scored their opposition. Their best monthly record was July with a 15-11, but that was courtesy of a 5-1 record in one-run games and 5-1 in 2-run games.
@halo11fan I believe canning has a option, he’s probably battling for a rotation spot. Rendon might be on the bench if moore makes the team if he doesn’t you know Rendon will be hurt they will call up moore 20 games in with rengifo at 3rd
Moore still has to learn to play second base.
There is a DH and plenty of ABs for anyone who can hit.
On this team, I have no idea who is capable of being a top ten player at their position.
@halos11fan haven’t looked in a week or so, but he didn’t have any errors and was turning double plays. I’ve only caught some of his Homer’s in the first inning when I flip it on. Schanuel was graded as a terrible defender and I haven’t seen anything that suggests that.
I would say o’hoppe, neto are close to top 10, and trout if he plays.
I’ve been attempting to get as much information on Moore’s defense as possible. From what I understand, his upside is he can be an adequate fielder.
I think he will hit, but he’s hit a snag at AA and has a 4 to 1. K to BB ratio. Adell had better AA numbers. Which I only bring up to say he has a long way to go.
He needs seasoning. I don’t hate the pick, but he’s not close.
Shortstop is so deep, it’s hard to get into the top ten. And catcher is getting there. They are both out, but can get there.
@halos11fan yeah I’ll probably start watching some trash pandas games to see moore’s defense. Just was comping schanuel because he had the same criticism on defense. He wasn’t too far from schanuel as far as the hitting stats go either but he’s definitely falling off a cliff quick. I don’t see why they couldn’t bring up for a cup of coffee to work with the Washington’s.
I haven’t seen anything from Schanuel that makes me gasp in horror.
To me he seems adequate.
On this team, I have no idea who is capable of being a top ten player at their position.
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Not bashing here, but how many of their players are starters on an average team? IMO, .450 would be a struggle.
But I admire his enthusiasm. It’s missing in a lot of fans.
i like al conin: “This team is getting close to contention”
Let’s see…. Last place in AL West and out by 18 games. A farm system that is widely recognized as one of the worst in the MLB. No playoff game wins in 15 years. Highest GM turnover rate in baseball. An owner from AZ who has a business model that makes him big bucks, but takes no responsibility for building a winning organization. Did I leave anything out? This team is a long burning dumpster fire and I really don’t agree with you that they are “close to contention.”
@Seal Beach: you’re missing the trees for the forest. Dig deeper into the data. One of the top bullpens since early June and a near .500 record into mid Aug. Numbers 3-5 SPs set next year with Soriano, Anderson, grab bag at no. 5, with Dana a possibility. And they have an offseason to spend money to fix 3B, LF, RF and possibly DH. The farm is barren, I agree, but many of them are in MLB and they still have Moore and Klassen not far away and top picks next year. They aren’t there but not far from at least wild card contention
One of the top bullpens since early June
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Small smple sizes like this create mirages. The BP K/W since the ASB is #29. That’s what largely predicts future results. Their OPS is excellent at .630, but that is mostly reliant on an unsustainable .237 BABIP.
Seal, It’s pretty obvious they are not close.
Some people just spin.
I really thought things might come together, but NOTHING came together. So why would anyone think it might come together soon? Especially when there is little help on the way and they are unlikely to spend in free agency.
Haha spin. Look at the data, not just that they have a terrible overall record. And you don’t know they won’t spend this year. Or perhaps they wait one more year. Either way, their prospects are in the big leagues and filling out the roster. Let’s see what they can do this off-season
To free up more innings for their young starters, I suggest that the Angels trade Tyler Anderson back to the Rockies, where his career began.
They only have one prospect pitcher and they should be shutting him down rather than giving him more innings.
That has worked never. Prospects need to hone their craft and pitch.
Really, so it’s common for prospect to pitch 100 more innings than the prior year?
Do you even follow this game? Young pitchers are customarily shut down.
Dana threw 6i innings last year. Not counting other innings, such as spring training and other games, he’s thrown, he’s thrown 142.
I think some of you make stuff up as you go along. He’s more than doubled his innings.
C’mon Halo, enough with the condescension. Of course he follows the game, that’s why he’s on here. This is a friendly conversation.
Young pitchers being shut down has not allowed them to avoid injury. I ask you, do you even follow the game? Because the shutdown method has not worked. If you watched with any diligence you would not comment like this.
I think you are agitated by the Angels being an awful organization and make baseless comments because you are emotional without facts. The day shutting down a young pitcher actually works will be the very first.
How do you know it hasn’t avoided some injuries? I’d wager my house it has.
It’s common practice to shutdown young pitchers. Dana has reached that common practice point.
I’ll defer to the common practice.
Halo11’s take — “Everyone’s an idiot but me”
Really, Dana, Kochanowicz, and Aldegheri should still be at AA. Not sure why the Angels are pushing them so quickly.
Maybe, but Aldegheri and Dana were good this weekend.
Aldegheri was good? A line drive wasn’t caught and that allowed five unearned runs. Well, line drives are typically not caught. He was lucky it was at someone.
Out of every Angel to start a game this year, Aldegheri has the second worst average exit velocity against other than Cueto.
His entire statcast page is blue.
Yeah, he was just great.
Yes, he was good. It was his MLB debut and he went 5 IP with 2 ER and 3 Ks. He held his own unlike many SP debuts and right from AA. That is good.
He wasn’t good. He didn’t show “stuff”. He didn’t show command. If you want to spin it and make it conditional then spin it to someone else.
Halo1Fan, you’re cranky today. It was his first ever start and he got big league hitters out. It was a good start. Let’s see how he does.
Do you know how a pitcher can improve command? By pitching more. Instead you want them to be shut down because you apparently follow baseball. A pitcher needs to pitch, work on their location and hone their craft. Whatever your opinion is is not working.
I want Dana shut down. He’s pitched enough this year. He’s an actual prospect. I could care less if the Angels pitch Aldegheri. Unless the Angels are playing the White Sox, it just means more losses. .
Sure, pitchers can gain command. But Aldegheri hasn’t shown it and his “stuff” isn’t good.
Let me elaborate again, most pitching prospects with actual tools don’t make it. His tools are not very good.
Hard to believe my take is so controversial.
but Aldegheri and Dana were good this weekend.
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Dana’s FIP was 6.01.
Aldegheri’s FIP was 6.97.
I was never much a believer in FIP and xFIP
Aldegheri statcast and stuff+ page sucked. Dana statcast page was very good, his stuff+ page sucked.
FIP does not do a good job with soft contact. Aldegheri was hit hard. Dana was not.
Who looks at FIP after 6 innings ?
Today, who looks at FIP after 200 innings? There are better tools.
I don’t like looking at statcast data after 6 innings, but it tells me something, and it tells me infinitely more than FIP.
If Aldegheri statcast data would have conflicted with what I believed about him, or if Dana’s statcast page not validated what I believed about him, I’d be more open.
I wouldn’t use the statcast data based on what I seen. These are 2 young pitchers making their debut.
Aldegheri appeared some nerves going on as a lot of pitchers making their debut. He is control pitcher. He hit two batters. He was forced to throw mostly fastballs and I wouldn’t be shocked if he was hit hard when not having control of his secondary pitches. He doesn’t have a strong fastball.. He also had an error behind him forcing him to throw way more pitches than necessary.
The Ms are a decent team, but they do not have a very strong lineup. I would wait until there is more of a sample size before basing their trajectory on their debut. They may be better or even worse than their first game. These guys are 20 and 22 and still learning the game.
I’m fine with that. Six innings doesn’t say much. But Aldegheri didn’t pitch well, and I saw no reason to be optimistic.
I don’t have any issue with anyone pitching other than Soriano and Dana. They likely are part of this team’s future and have pitched enough innings.
If the powers that be want to get a better look at the others, I’m fine with that. I even encourage it. I’m not expecting much. As I said, solid prospects have a hard enough time, prospects without pedigree seldom make it.
To be clear, I agree that Dana is a better prospect. He has put up some of the best stat line up as a starter in the minors this year. He has also gotten better as the season has came along.
The one reason I have optimism for Aldegheri is because of his SO per nine has always been high for most of his professional career. 12-13 SO per 9 is outstanding particularly when you don’t have a ton of velocity.
He does miss bats. So I understand why that is cause for optimism.
I have a hard time getting past that 35 and his not even being worthy of a write up. Add to that, the Angels complete inability to develop pitching and his ineffectiveness pitching in an Angel uniform, and I don’t have much hope.
I’ve been an Angel fan since the height of Chance and Fregosi, and I’ve never seen less cause for optimism.
He has a write up about him. He won;t have a write up with the Angels until next year.. You have to go to the team he was with, the Phillies. He did have a FV of 35, but updated rating is 45 and is ranked #5 on the Angels prospects according to Fangraphs.
Who looks at FIP after 6 innings ?
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The person I responded to said he had a good weekend. He did not. I found FIP a good way to support that.
Pitchers care more about allowing/preventing runs. They both allowed 2 ERs. Fairly decent for real world.
Predictive stats like FIP need time to be used effectively. It typically used to check in an ERA is legit or perhaps a bit lucky, but not to determine if a player had a “good day”,
They both gave up a solo HR, which has a weight of 13 points. Considering they pitched 5 and 6 innings. this will add over 2 FIP and adding the constant of 3.2, would already put them well over 5. . Giving up a solo HR isn’t as devastating in reality.
To be honest, there is seldom any reason to judge someone on one game, even a really good game. But Dana had a 4/4 K/W.
OTOH, he is still only 20 years old.
Which pitcher had a better day?
Player A, 5IP, 8ER, 13H, 0HR, 0BB, 5K
Player B 6IP, 1ER, 1H, 1HR, 0BB, 2K
Common sense will tell you Player B by a long shot, but FIP will suggest Player A by a wide margin. Using FIP to evaluate a player day is just a gross misuse of the stat.
Caden gave up 2 hits and 2 ER is 6 innings. I think most people would agree that he had a good day. I think most 20yo making a debut would be envious of such a performance. It doesn’t mean that the next game will be as good.
I realize it’s only six innings, But there is a lot of red on Dana’s stat cast page. His fastball is average, but he easily makes that up with extension, which is one of the most overlooked stats there is.
Just one game, but he was hard to square up.
And who uses FIP anymore?
A ton of people use FIP. Any stat geek will use it.
I am aware of Dana’s statcast page. He allowed 2 hits in 6 innings. You can expect a lot of good/high marks after such an outing. Just need more of sample size before there is some clarity.
You won’t even let me reply Trout fishing. You may not be an idiot, but you’re gutless.
Gutless people seldom discuss points. Carry on gutless.
I Couldn’t care less where Aldegheri gets his innings. He was bad at rocket city and he’s likely to be bad here.
Kochanowicz has 100 stuff+. He has a poor ERA and a poor statcast page. He’s also 23 and has 400 professional innings. I don’t care where he pitches. I doubt he’s going to be good.
Dana is a prospect, 20 years old, has 218 professional innings and 142 of them have been this year. I don’t want him pitching anywhere. He’s pitched enough.
Angels Triple A is like a purgatory crab trap under Minasian. Players pass it on their way to the majors from Double A, but when they get sent down, it’s to Triple A. They then keep them there as many times as possible as long as possible only to keep them “under control” as long as possible. It’s fine and all to keep costs down but it’s no way for a winning foundation or team. If the coaches there aren’t worth the time if them going there on the way up, how good can they be and what are they gonna improve on in Triple A?
I disagree with you when it comes to Detmers. In my eye, his wind-up mechanics are some of the best I’ve seen from lefty in the lady few years. His biggest problem is closing out batters when he gets then to strike two. He really hides the ball really well before his release. He consistently does a great job in repeating his mechanics. Opposing teams must have scouting reports that know when he throws his slider. I hope they cleaned that up. He has no-hit stuff as long as he commands the strike zone and doesn’t nibble. He has way too much talent to give up on. I’ll take a chance and make a bold prediction that he is the Angels opening day pitcher next season and wins 15 games with an ERA below 3.00 and is among the league leaders in Ks.
Can Detmers at least get Super 2 status & get into arbitration?
I find it interesting that the Angels picked up the 38 year old Cueto to make some starts, and less than a week later, decided that they had so much pitching that they needed to go with a 6-man rotation.