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Naaaaah Ya Think
I guess that’s what you talk about when nothing is going on.
The Giants were basically a 500 team with Snell. I don’t know why they would expect to improve even if they signed Burnes.
I’ve wanted Burnes on the Giants for a long time, back to when he was a prospect and his name was being mentioned in Bumgarner trade talks in 2019. However, Burnes has some clear red flags in his stats and signing him to a mega deal now, while on a budget, and while he has been given a QO, would be a disaster.
They should pivot hard to Sasaki now that Snell bolted for the scum down south. Or make a trade for Crotchet given how many SP prospects they have. But they should pass on Fried and Burnes.
Every team should be trying to sign Sasaki.
I don’t see how they could come up with a trade package to get Crochet. And a guy with 2 years of control left i don’t think makes a lot of sense for the Giants. Thats a tough division to play in at the moment.
Your comment shows the issue here – the Giants have been stuck in neutral since at least the late 2010s.
And according to Bleacher Report FWIW, stuck in neutral since late 2010’s and currently has the worst farm system in MLB. Ouch. Zaidi did a number on this team. Yikes.
MLB ranks the Giants farm system #23 with their top two prospects Zaidi draft picks (not to mention, Bailey, Harrison, Fitzgerald, McCray, etc.).
Problem is that Crochet is still an unknowable player after one great season. That’s a lot of eggs in a basket for a slew of major prospects (which is what it will take).
Not surprising that the Giants are interested. Is he?
Pitchers ballpark, so why wouldn’t he be? It’s really about the money and getting into the playoffs. Once your in, anything can happen.
Would you say the playoffs are like a crapshoot ????
The Giants will have to overpay to bring any star player in
“Will have to overpay”…Practically every team will have to “overpay” to bring in high end free agent talent.
From the player’s perspective free agency is all about getting “overpaid” and that’s why teams should utilize free agency with due diligence and caution.
Have you been following what the Dodgers have been doing? Getting players to sign for less money through deferred contracts. They aren’t overpaying. You can argue Ohtani signed the most team-friendly contract in MLB history.
“Have you been following..deferred contracts”…Several teams use deferred money(not just the Dodgers)to better manage payroll(and tax obligations)and it isn’t like “deferred money” isn’t real money.
My point is teams will virtually always overpay in free agency and that’s why teams should focus on better drafting(foreign & domestic)and trade acquisitions.
I mean, you could do both at the same time – try to compete and develop a farm. The Giants problem is that they started over with the front office. Some of Farhan prospects were starting to work out for the big league team, but now it’s a new front office. Do they view the players the same? Probably not.
Ohtani brought that deal to them. Not many players have the want/desire/ability to defer over 97% of their contract as a gesture. No team would lead with that. But also, they’ll have to pay that.
RunDMC, Toronto and San Francisco offered to do the same deal. He likely would’ve chosen one of them if the Dodgers didn’t exist.
I’m just saying, offering deferred money to lower the luxury tax bill and lessen the present day value is something all big market and some middle market teams should be doing.
Ohtani’s specific contract is the only abnormal deal the Dodgers made… Dozens of players have had large deferrals similar to Betts, Snell, Freeman, etc. There is one unicorn and that is Ohtani.
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fred-3: Nobody’s signing for less money. The only difference is how the same amounts are paid out.
@JerseyShoreScore: Bingo
The Dodgers just paid $6 million more than anyone thought for Snell. That is overpaying.
Agree it takes a selfless player who would want to defer 95% of his salary. Dodgers are grateful for that deal and now leveraging their financial might to build a dynasty. They just dropped 100 million on stadium improvements. They’ve invested the money they would have payed Ohtani and when his contract is up they will have made $700 million in interest. Dodger ownership is smart !
The Dodgers have to put $46 million in escrow every season for Ohtani and pay him $2 million.
Giants will have to over pay the over pay.
Just defer 1/3 of it like the dodgers and they’ll be all good right? Lol
Define overpay. I just love these uneducated comments.
fred-3 —
That’s true of most any team. And the old Giant narrative that you roll out is so hackneyed.
It’s not a comment on the Giants. It’s a stupid FoxNews meme about how post-apocalyptic San Fran is, and how no one wants to live there (despite the fact that all the rich people
apparently want to live there).
Some people don’t get the message that a false meme is tired until months after it has served its purpose.
FoxNews. There’s the problem. They are horrible. Lie almost as much as the fella they worship. Gonna be a koolaid get together at some point in the future. My guess is orange flavored.
This isn’t happening and most people know it.
Giants are resetting this year, won’t sign anyone with a QO unless it’s Soto. They’ll still spend some money just not big ticket players.
I think for the right player they will.
As they should.
They are much better off going the Jack Flaherty route than Corbin Burnes at this point. Yeah, not the same as much as talent, but as you mentioned, he’s without a QO attached, would come cheaper, and will b easier to trade if needed to.
Flaherty makes sense. He’s from California and his upside is as high as Burnes is he’s just far more inconsistent. If your team can’t afford to buy consistent superstars and compete, and the Giants can’t just so we are clear, that’s what you do you go for high upside guys. I have seen Flaherty and Burnes pitch enough that I can tell you he has the chance to be better than Burnes over the next 5 years he really does.
davemlaw — I think you’re about to be surprised.
Pete i think you are about to be disappointed. Did you not read where they said they were lowering payroll?
Where does the luxury tax money go? Does it go to the player’s pension fund (like they really need it)? Does it go to youth baseball? Is Manfred hoarding it for his retirement?
Everyone thinks everyone’s team should buy everyone who’s better than almost everyone, Burnes not excluded.
It’s human nature
As a fan i am excited and happy when my team signs good players. But I try not to expect it or act entitled about it I think thats where some fans go wrong.
C’mon Dodgers steal him from the Giants and form a super duper team
They are already a super-duper team, adding Burnes on top of what they already have would make them a super-dee-duper team.
And even more super-dee-duper obnoxious.
“Burnes wants to cut his beard”..I really doubt this is an issue. For the right financial package Scott Boras will shave off his beard for him and I’ve never heard of a guy liking facial hair more than he likes $200M+ dolllars.
Th Yanks inked Snell? Pass the pipe @chemfin!
Chemical something, for sure.
Call old friend Scott Harris and offload Wade and the Rogers kids. The Tigers could get Wade at bats at 1B IF they don’t ship out Tork and are in the market for solid BP arms. They have Jung who may not have a position if they sign a 3B, and his natural position is 2B. They also have lots of young starting pitchers. Seems like they could come together on a package that would save the Giants enough money to go after Burnes.
I really don’t think Tyler Rogers is going anywhere. Him and Walker are the Giants’ best relievers. I think Rogers had the most appearances in baseball or close to it.
The Rogers *kids* turn 34 in 2-1/2 weeks.
I’m 54, everyone in baseball is a kid to me 😉
I wonder if age has much of an effect with how Tyler Rogers’ delivery is?
Motor City Beach Bum — Besides his OBP, Jace Jung is a pretty unexciting player to be acquiring for the guys you suggest. Giants with a very hard NO.
Perhaps you should check his minor league stats. There’s a reason the Tigers are high on him. He is a good 2B but has issues as a 3B.
That’s nice.
Every year the Giants are supposedly in the hunt for big name free agents. And they swing and miss, hopefully Posey can put an end to that trend…
Last year they Giants signed Chapman, Soler, Snell and the Korean outfielder. They might have added more to their payroll in 2024 than any team in baseball. And they STILL finished with a losing record.
The writing is on the wall. Read it…..
Snell sucked for first half, Soler sucked until the trade deadline, “Korean” CF missed most of the season due to injury and Tom Murphy missed almost entire season. And Jordan Hicks was decent in the first half. Not much production for the money spent. Chapman had a really nice full season and got a deserved extension. That’s still a pretty rough FA season last year.
“The Korean outfielder” has a name.
I am sure he does. It’s probably Kim right?
My screen name is a KPop band. Just so you know…..
And the racism just keeps on keepin’ on. And no, it’s not Kim.
“I’m not racist, my dentist was a black man!”
Having a screen name that’s a female teen idol band does not absolve one from racist comments. And for a grown man to be worshipping a teeny bop girl group brings up some other potential issues.
It’s my screen name stupid. You probably don’t even know who Blackpink are. Look them up. Good looking girls……and btw one is named Kim…….
I would say it’s a start…….
My comment wasn’t racist. I just don’t know the guys name. When people cry racism over nonsense like this you lose credibility for when there is actual racism.
Worship? That’s a bit of an overstatement. It’s not teeny bop it’s KPop. What are you racist? Lol.
Tell It Goodbye —
Thank you, was thinking the same thing. It’s Jung Ho Lee for those who haven’t invested the time to know him.
It’s weird man. It’s just weird.
I’m aware. Was quoting Blackpink.
Shhhhhh…not th4 top free agents.
For all you talent scouts out there
Check out his second year
Tell us what you would have predicted for his future…….
He’s a good fit there and with all the starting pitching prospects on the horizon the team could have a largely cost controlled rotation soon.
That won’t help next years payroll but long term, Burnes and2- 3 pre arbitration guys is very affordable.
Sure Jan
Either overpay to get a few bats or just rebuild already!!! We actually have some interesting pitchers and have always been able to draft them but bats are a mystery to this team. Burnes isn’t changing the fortune of this roster and by paying him that much you are depleting the resources you could be devoting to some damn BATS!!!!
Giants have the funds (and the needs) to do both.
I would love to see them sign Burnes but I don’t think it’s likely. The QO is really the sticking point I think more than the money. It would preclude signing Adames as they are not going to sign 2 players with QO’s and SS is a bigger priority. Signing someone like Eovaldi would make more sense.
They need to sign more than one QO if they want to make a difference next year. Might as well go for it and sign 3-4 of them and punt the draft or don’t sign any of them and tank for top picks. Adames and Santander would be my top 2 targets
It’s losing the international money that hurts. LA and SD have built there farm systems on strong international signings. With you on Adames but not Santander. Think you could pick up a bat on the trade market. Josh Naylor makes a lot of sense.
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John Bird — Not with Bryce Eldridge waiting in the wings.
Pete, Naylor is a FA next year, which would give Eldridge time to develop at AAA. Tired of these kids (Schmidt, Matos, Luciano, etc.) getting rushed to the majors before they’ve shown they’re ready. Eldridge is barely 20 with a year and a half of pro ball. If he is ready sooner Naylor can always DH.
I think SFG can still be competitive next year and not with QO players.
It would be a very Farhan thing to do but Giants need to reset and aim for 2026. Here’s are my targets:
Goldschmidt, Hyeseong Kim and Alex Cobb.
Power at first, great hitting/glove 2B and a starting pitcher who should be over his nagging ailments and was great in SF not long ago.
Farhan set this team back a year by exceeding the Lux tax so resetting that and avoiding QO players for this year is unfortunately the residual effects of your namesake.
One last thing, SF does have a lot of interesting arms. With Webb, Harrison and Ray eating some bulk innings there are a number of guys who should be healthy next year to fill in the remainder of the innings. Hicks(1/2 starter & 1/2 long reliever) Birdsong!, Winn, Beck, Roupp, Bivens, the Carsons and Black.
Posey has said the top priority is SS so that means probably either Adames or Ha-Seong Kim. Unfortunately age has caught up with Cobb and Goldy. I like Naylor because he’s left handed and could probably only cost one of the lesser young pitchers. Plus he’s a FA next year so he won’t block Eldridge and costs 12 mil. Then sign the best non QO pitchers they can, maybe someone like Sugano.
Probably Adames. The Padres GM said Kim would not be able to start throwing until after the season starts and would be back in games somewhere between May and July. I don’t think that he would be a fit for the Giants who can’t afford to invest in him on the one year deal this site thinks he will sign and then have him miss the entire first half.
There’s confusion because of the two Kims: I’d prefer Hyeseong Kim, NOT Ha.
I’m also fine leaving Fitz at short for next year; he’ll get better if he only has one position to concentrate on rather than a super utility guy he was forced to be last season.
SFG has other SS coming up but probably not ready until 2026. I say no to Adames; I think whomever signs him will regret it in short order. No thanks.
I’m not saying the Giants need a shortstop, Posey is saying they need one and he knows more about baseball than I do. They played Fitz at short because they didn’t have any other options but his grades at the position were consistently below average. Fitz’s strikeout rates are also concerning. We’ve seen plenty of prospects look great for half a season only to flame out later. None of the others in the system have played above A ball. The FA options aren’t without questions but are clear upgrades over the in house options.
frugalfarhan — My two top picks are Adames and Burnes, but I’ll switch to Adames and Bregman (to play 2b) if they also sign Eovaldi. Goldschmidt too.
I will take that as long as its Adames over either Kim. Teoscar is another that I would throw $100 mil at he is very underrated
John Bird — Yeah, those two QOs are what I worry about.
Not a big game pitcher so would fit nicely with little giants
Greed is the only way he signs with the Giants! And, if I need to explain why, then you are no baseball fan!
He is from Bakersfield CA. Explain it to me. I must not be a fan.
You do realize Bakersfield is just a couple hour drive over the Grapevine to L.A….
I’d argue that the LA metro area and the SF Bay Area have equal claim rights to the CV.
Bakersfield is twice the distance to the Bay than L.A. Just sayin….
Just look at a map if you’re not from Cali. The Bay claiming Bakersfield is like L.A. claiming Santa Cruz. Preposterous….
-playing in front of his hometown crowd.
-being a part of a David/goliath narrative.
-enjoying the city of San Francisco.
-wanting his stats inflated by a pitchers park.
-really, really likes Train
His hometown is actually right outside the L.A. metro area….
Giants will wait him out and give him a 2 year deal with an opt-out after April…
Or wait until he gets hurt and then trade for him.
No more optouts please. We’ve lost some good starting pitching because Farhan always included optouts. Players who perform up to and beyond almost always optout and all who under perform stay.
No chance Burnes signs with the Giants. Nobody in their right mind would deliberately choose to live in San Francisco.
Giants have money to Burne(s)
This would be Huge !!! Better than Snell. For Sure, just based on availability.
He’s heading to the Blue Jays.
Keep dreaming of him and Otani in the same rotation. Of wait – never mind
And who would not be interested in him?
Another obvious plant by Boras. Dodgers signed Snell so he needs another team in the mix. Why would the Giants let Snell walk and then offer more money and longer term for Corbin. I do think CB is better, but this one doesn’t ring true.
Boras lives in your head rent free.
Burnes will get $36 mm or more AAV. 7 years will mean $252 million.
I’ll take the under on Burnes guarantee as crazy as SP $ are now…….maybe 6/210mil. Boston is a prime spot burning a hole in its pocket if Soto expectedly chooses a NY team for his monster deal.
I could see 6/216-220 if he can’t get 7 years.
To respond to some threads here Burnes is an upgrade over Snell for consistency on and over the ball alone. I’d easily much rather give him a five year deal.
Burnes has the advantage of regular season availability/durability which the Giants really need with their overall lack of roster depth. Otherwise, it’s a wash when it comes to the playoffs. Both guys are clutch….
I like Burnes. I feel bad he always has to play in terrible cities though lol
Milwaukee. Baltimore. Terrible cities?
Vagiants will throw a ton of money at him and he’ll turn it down just like Harper did, and Judge did and Yamamoto did and numerous others, nobody wants to play for a losing poorly run team!
This makes 0 sense
But is Corbin Burnes interested in playing for the Giants?