The Red Sox inquired about Marlins players Leo Nunez and Cody Ross, reports Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald. Spencer adds that the Rangers asked about Jorge Cantu.
Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reported Saturday that the Yankees are talking to the Marlins as well. Rosenthal speculated that Nunez and Ross would make sense for the Yanks. Brian Cashman's actual level of interest in the pair is unknown, but perhaps the AL East foes are targeting the same players. Nunez is in the midst of his best season, with a 2.87 ERA, 9.3 K/9, 2.2 BB/9, and 50.5% groundball rate. About $837K remains on his contract, and he's under team control through 2012 as an arbitration-eligible player.
Ross' power has taken a dip, as his line stands at .279/.331/.409. ESPN's Buster Olney tweeted that the Marlins' asking price is "very, very high, despite the fact that some teams view him as a non-tender candidate." Ross is earning $4.45MM this year after beating the Marlins in arbitration in February. He's under team control for next year, but as Olney suggests, the Marlins might be unwilling to give him that final arbitration raise. The Braves are known to have interest in Ross, while Tom Krasovic of AOL FanHouse reports today that the Padres are not a fit.
Cantu would be a two-month rental, as he's a free agent after the season. Surely the Marlins would like to clear some of his remaining $2.5MM. Despite a .258/.309/.416 line, Cantu has 52 RBIs. Aside from the Rangers, the Rockies are known to have an eye on him. Both teams might prefer a cheaper player like Ty Wigginton, however.
I don’t want Ross, but I(Red Sox) would give the Marlins P Drake Britton and IF Yamaico Navarro for Nunez, although you could convince me to give them another prospect.
Ross and Nunez could greatly help the Sox. If they were to only get Nunez they still would beed to go eslewhere and find an OF bat. Maybe DeJesus? It doesn’t seem right now that they’re really in on Werth anymore. Then again, the biggest deals are the ones not reported by the media usually.
I cant see the Padres going after Ross. He is just to expensive at 4.5 mil plus he will probably get a raise in arbitration. If the Padres are going to take on that kind of money, they might as well lock up AGon long term and let the young players get there time in. It would be a much better investment.
I would love for the Braves to get Ross but not if the asking price is, “very, very high”. I would give them something like Mike Dunn and Jordan Schafer, but not much more.
no way it would take that much to get Cody Ross unless they included someone else. Cody Ross is a solid player but he’s not elite. And Frank Wren is a trading master so he’s not going to give up anyone he doesn’t want to. Look who we just gave the Blue Jays for the best power hitting shortstop in the league. A guy with no bombs (until yesterday), lousy average with a bad attitude and that infection Jo-Jo Reyes. A couple B-level prospects would be plenty to get Cody Ross. The absolute highest I would go is a guy like Cody Johnson, JJ Hoover or Zeke Spruill
You are crazy if you think you can get Cody for any of those guys you mentioned. First of all, my proposal isn’t all that great. Dunn and Schafer isn’t that much to give up. Also, I was far from satisfied with the Jays trade. They gave up a good young shortstop and got a mediocre older one and two low tier prospects in return. Alex Gonzalez is not the best power hitting shortstop in the major leagues. That would be Troy Tulowitski and Hanley Ramirez. Gonzalez is good with the glove and a good hard-working guy but he is not an upgrade on the field over Escobar.
#1) Collins in not low tier. The guy is nasty and has twice as many strikeouts as innings pitched in AA. A 20 year old in AA pitching like that? Far from low tier. Unless by low tier you mean his low level in the minors in which you’re still wrong. #2)Explain to me how a centerfielder with an upside that reaches Jupiter once he gets his stuff together is worth a mediocre but solid outfield bat that will most likely be a platoon player. #3) Sure that trade wasn’t what everyone wanted but it was only to get rid of his attitude. It was bringing the whole team down and it was an emergency move and I am blown away that we came out of it with the best power hitting shortstop (this year anyway, you got me there), two good prospects as well as getting rid of Jo-Jo Reyes. #4) You have a point with Dunn. He’s good but relievers like him come a dime a dozen but if it were my decision and had to include him, they’d be getting another High-A or AA player that is logjammed. Maybe Cody Johnson?
I meant to say mid-tier prospects instead of low tier prospects.
I would be upset if we gave up anything more than Cody Johnson for Ross. Ross is an average OFer. Nothing more, nothing less. All he brings to the Braves is stability. I wouldn’t even go as far as to give up Spruill for him, and absolutely not Dunn and Schafer. Dunn is the future of our bullpen, no way we give him up for a guy like Cody Ross.
I wasn’t a fan of the Escobar trade either, but it makes a ton of sense for the short term. Escobar was playing like a little leaguer, and Gonzalez leads all SS in homeruns. The Braves are obviously going for it all this year, and this trade gives them a better chance to do so. And yes, Gonzalez is an upgrade in the field over Escobar. The difference between the two is that Gonzalez doesn’t mess up the little things, like turning a double play, and he still makes all the toughest plays like Escobar. That, combined with the fact that Gonzo doesn’t cry all the time, makes him an upgrade on the field.
Ross is a decent centerfielder with a little power too. If Nate doesn’t return to form soon then getting a replacement is necessary. Dunn is one of many young Braves’ relief pitching prospects which makes him expendable.
Gonzalez doesn’t have the range or arm strength of Escobar. That is backed up by statistics. He also has been a very poor hitter in his career. His numbers this year are inflated because of where he played in Toronto. His only upgrade over Escobar is that he doesn’t have the attitude issues.
Marlins will not ask the Braves for Jordan Schafer(or any OF prospect for that matter) so you guys don’t have to worry about that. I see the Marlins being interested players like: Craig Kimbrel, Mike Dunn, Tim Collins, Erik Cordier, Tyler Pastornicky, J.J. Hoover, Luis Avilan, Brett Oberholtzer, Christian Bethancourt.
I would give up a combination of a couple of those guys you mentioned for Ross except for Kimbrel and Bethancourt.
I agree that Cody Johnson is no more than a C prospect. He is just terrible.
These messages were actually intended for VoteForPrado and NYBravosFan10 but I accidently clicked on wrong reply. Sorry about that 19 Rocks.In exchange for Ross I see the Marlins asking for somewhat projectable arms that at least have set-up man potential, basically C+ to C level prospects. Despite rumors of a “very, very high asking price” I would think Dunn or Tim Collins and someone like J.J Hoover will get the job done.
Cody Johnson is nothing more than a C level prospect at this point (if that)
Nunez makes perfect sense for the Yankees because he would be a great 8th inning man. Chamberlain is not an 8th inning setup man or anything close to it so that would allow the Yankees to take him out of that role.
If things go badly on the west coast this week, the Red Sox could flip from buyers to sellers. They have a lot of “expendable” pieces that contenders could use.
In either case, they are going to have to shed an outfielder (Hermida, Nava, or McDonald) real soon. And if Lowrie’s fast start at Pawtucket is any indication, Patterson will be gone soon, too. After that, it depends whether the wild card is still attainable.
In a couple of weeks they’ll have most of their starters back, so that’s bascially just getting rid of their excess.
I’m just talking about players who have to be gone before the trading deadline. Martinez, Varitek, Pedroia, and Ellsbury won’t be back by then. Once that happens, Cash, Brown, Shealy, and another outfielder have to disappear, too.
Hey Tim, you forgot to add Cantu’s famous line. Remember he did have 100 R.B.I. in a season once.
Offer the Marlins Ellsbury for Ross, Nunez, and Nolasco. That’s quality for quantity to fill the holes in the lineup for ’10. Nunez and Nolasco are under control through ’12. Sox could move Papelbon and Matsuzaka (waiving his no-trade) in the off-season. Ross and Hermida could platoon and back-up CF and RF in ’11.
Not sure if this is sarcasm, trolling, or just being plain uninformed.
That wouldn’t be logical at all.
Care to be a bit more specific, Mr. Spock?
It was just unrealistic.
I dont agree with her but this WAS the team that traded Miguel Cabrera to the tigers essentially for Cameron Maybin, yeah they took Dontrelle and his contract but what team wouldnt take that contract for Miguel Cabrera? people will always remember the Hanle trade but the Marlins could give Nunez away just not for Ellsbury they want someone under a penny pinching friendly contract
You’ve got the right pieces but you put the puzzle together wrong. Ellsbury, Nunez, Ross, Nolasco, Papelbon and Dice-K are all candidates to get traded at some point. The Marlins trade away everybody regardless of logic, Dice-K is a candidate to get non-tendered one of these years but I’m sure they’d rather swap him and I’m not really too sure why I’ve heard Papelbons name in trade talks.
The Dice-K/Papelbon line was to indicate who I thought Nolasco/Nunez could replace on the roster because of perceived future trades involving the current Sox pitchers. But that is extraneous to the central argument. Are those three Marlins worth Jacoby, or vice versa?
I think a case can be made Nolasco alone is worth more than Elsbury. Add Ross and Nunez it looks terrible.
Not by a long shot. With Ellsbury’s injury history? Lack of at-bats this year? No way. The Sox would have to throw in more.
Ellsbury’s injury history? Explain.
Broken ribs are tough to fix totally. And a guy like him who runs better will be sliding alot more and landing right on them isn’t going to help matters. Do I think he’ll be fine? Yes, but actual GM’s won’t buy into it…not for the amount that was being discussed here anyway
Ah, gotcha. I thought you were implying that he gets injured all the time, which is just not the case.
Ellsbury’s injury history of getting decked in the ribs by a linebacker third baseman?
If the Sox got Nunez and Nolasco for Ellsbury that would be a steal of a deal for the Red Sox
Nunez would be a good pickup, but Ross makes no sense. How many 4th OF’ers does one team need? If they’re going to go after someone in the OF, it needs to be an established starter (ie, Werth) not another Patterson-McDonald-Nava-Hermida-Hall type.
Exactly.
Just remember one thing here kids……the Marlins are not in a payroll dump mode. They don’t have to move ANYBODY if they don’t feel they are getting value in return.
I keep hearing that the Rangers are looking for a right handed bat. Why? They have several guys at AAA who could be given a shot, and we wouldn’t have to trade anyone to get them. Some of them are a bit raw, granted, but most have some major league experience. Brandon Boggs, Garko, Saltalamacchia, Esteban German all have MLB experience and would be an improvement over Arias or especially Blanco on the 25 man roster. Chad Tracy is tearing it up (17 HRs, 55 RBI, .851 OPS) and deserves a shot, too. Garko and Salty and maybe Tracy could log some time at 1B to spell Davis. German adds speed to the bench (32 SBs in AAA). They should give ALL of these guys a shot at being their right handed bat BEFORE trading for Cantu or anyone else.
i dont know who the Marlins would get in return, but these are my gut feelings of were some of these “trade candidate” players will end up:
Uggla: Marlins
Nuñez: Marlins
Ross: Rangers
Cantu: Rockies/Rangers
Robertson: dont really care, as long as the Marlins trade him lol