Juan Uribe is leaving the Giants for the rival Dodgers on the first multiyear free agent deal of his career. The infielder officially signed a three-year, $21MM contract with the Dodgers today.
Uribe, 31, hit .248/.310/.440 with 24 home runs in 575 plate appearances for the Giants this year, adding a pair of postseason home runs. He mainly played shortstop, but also logged time at third base and second base. Uribe will presumably serve as the Dodgers' second baseman with Rafael Furcal in the fold at short. The contract may seal Ryan Theriot's fate, with Thursday's non-tender deadline looming. Another effect may be a heightened sense of urgency for the Giants as they search for a shortstop. Uribe is a Type B free agent who was offered arbitration by the Giants, so they'll receive a supplemental draft pick for their loss.
Uribe's agents Barry Praver and Scott Shapiro engineered the deal. They did well in getting three years, though Uribe was a hot commodity in a weak market for middle infielders. On November 2nd, MLBTR correctly predicted Uribe would sign with the Dodgers.
ESPN's Buster Olney first reported that a three-year deal was close, while Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweeted the amount and agreement.
He made out quite well. 3 years for 21 million..
Yes, he did, and his agents took advantage of a weak market.
Way to plan for the future, L.A. !
Advantage, Uribe
BOOribe!
once again Flanders being given a open checkbook by McCourt is a dangerous thing!
Just what “Blue Crew” needed! A power infield bat! This is big for LA. Now on to left field, Thrid base & Catcher?
You can take his bat out of the equation now. He’s facing better pitching now in the west. He dsnt do anything against the padres last year and he won’t hit more then 1 against the giants. He had a better chance going to another team.
Wishful thinking. The Giants do have an incredible rotation, but the Dodgers are really not that far behind. Every single pitcher in the Dodgers rotation is capable of putting up an ERA of 3.50 or better and 200 IP.
LOL! “not far behind” hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. not far behind the pirates maybe. doyer rotation blows major chunks. noone in that rotation besides kershaw would crack the giants starting 5 and kershaw would be 4th starter.
Tim Lincecum, 2010: ERA 3.43, OBA .242, WHIP 1.27Matt Cain, 2010: ERA 3.14, OBA .221, WHIP 1.08Jonathan Sanchez, 2010: ERA 3.07, OBA .204, WHIP 1.23Barry Zito, 2010: ERA 4.15, OBA .250, WHIP 1.34Clayton Kershaw, 2010: ERA 2.91, OBA .214, WHIP 1.18Chad Billingsley, 2010: ERA 3.57, OBA .244, WHIP 1.28Hiroki Kuroda, 2010: ERA 3.39, OBA .243, WHIP 1.16Ted Lilly, 2010: ERA 3.62, OBA .229, WHIP 1.08What were you saying again?
funny how you chose to cherry-pick those stats. you want to cherry pick stats? ok then.
guess who the top line is
RA/G ERA G CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO WHIP SO/9
3.6 3.36 162 6 17 57 1461 1279 583 546 134 578 1331 1.299 6.77
4.27 4.01 162 4 16 41 1441.2 1323 692 643 134 539 1274 1.319 7.39
Seriously dude? Every guy they’ve got is better than Zito, even Garland.
Kershaw posted a better ERA in 2010 than anybody on the Giants staff.
Sanchez finally put it together in 2010, but the guy’s been widely inconsistent throughout his career. And Bumgarner hasn’t even pitched a full season yet.
I’d give the Giants an edge, but it isn’t that huge. Don’t get too cocky, your team barely squeezed by a collapsing Padres for the NL West, and Brooks Conrad may be the only reason you won the NLDS.
Funny…we just barely squeezed by the collapsing Padres, the bumbling Braves, the fizzling Phillies, and the rickety Rangers. Guess it was an accident that we WON THE WORLD SERIES!!
hey the giants still won the world series as apposed to what the 4th place dodgers
You’s a crazy mother f, Kershaw would be #2 easily. He has the potential to be better than lincecum.
Ok now you’re smoking crack. While Kershaw is good he will NEVER be better than Lincecum.
Dude, Kershaw is already pitching better than Lincecum was at the same age — he’ll be in his age 23 year *next* season. Tim is entering his age 27 year!
baseball-reference.com/players/k/kershcl01.shtml
baseball-reference.com/players/l/linceti01.shtml
That’s not to take anything away from Lincecum — he’s awesome, and I wish he were on the Dodgers. But Kershaw is legit.
Kershaw was better than Lincecum last season. Look at the numbers.
I’m with “M Brown”, the dodgers have the fourth best pitching staff in the NL West!!! So I’d say that they are not far behind the Rockies…
I’m with “M Brown”, the dodgers have the fourth best pitching staff in the NL West!!! So I’d say that they are not far behind the Rockies…
Love is blind…..bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !! You left out one little factoid – he didn’t have to face the Giants rotation. And, he strikes out a lot, and it’s feast or famine with him. He’s definitely not worth 3 years, $21 million. You’ll see.
Their rotation is way different from last year. Uribe didn’t face them. He’s going to realize he made a mistake when the giants staff makes him look stupid. And he’ll find out that timmys changeup isn’t just a myth.
Wasnt he in the west last year? Last time I checked, the Giants moved from New York and became part of the NL west in ’58..
What did they win with a bigger bat, Jeff Kent?
Ha Ha Ha!
I think Russ will be our answer for catcher.
Uribe was given 3 years out of an infield market bell-curve that leaned in his favor. I bet Coletti didn’t want to sign him for 3 years either, but the alternatives for proven veteran infielders are in short supply this year. It goes to show how much the Dodgers needed to fill that hole in the lineup. Uribe’s infield flexibility also provides welcome gaps for up-and-comers.
agreed, Uribe was finally in the right place at the right time and his ability to play 3b,SS, and 2b with power and good “d” is a plus it’s I just hate the 3rd year and I’m very worried that there is a crap-load of deferred money in this deal.
Yeah, I know. Hopefully, that’s not the case but history would say it is. The Dodgers defer so much money year after year to invisible teammates that they should have blow-up doll in the dugout as a salary mascot.
Too much money that would have been better spent on an impact bat, but he’s a much better option than what the Dodgers were working with. I wonder how many years Colletti spread this deal over. If I know Colletti, Uribe will be collecting checks from the McCourts until he’s 40.
If Dunn would’ve taken $30/3 years than yes, the money would’ve been better spent there. I suppose it depends how the off-season plays out…
Over/Under 1.5 home runs against Giants Pitching next season?
Can’t wait to see Dodger fans justify this! :)
Thanks Juan for getting us the trophy…now enjoy the dodgers rewarding you for it!!
The 3rd year is the unjustifiable part. I figured 2/12 would be the max.
Hopefully we make out with someone good for our supplemental. Now when he comes to at&t it wont just sound like one long “Boo,” it will be… BOOOOOO-Ribe
I still have a hard time believing he’s 31 years old. I’m guessing more like 37. Gotta love the fake birth certificate’s.
The price is right if he can match numbers from 2004 and 2009.
Terms are right if he can do it 3 years in a row.
I’d say the odds aren’t in the Doggies favor.
But thanks for the draft pick!
agreed hes good for 2-3 war= worth the contract.
You didn’t get the pick from the Dodgers. It’s a supplemental pick you would have got either way regardless of who signed him
Which is why isabradley is saying thank you for the pick … because he was signed
They only overpaid by like 15 million. Good for them.
Furcal and Blake are both free agents after 2011, so I don’t think the Dodgers had a problem with the additional years for a player that can also play SS and 3B.
And if he’s actually 31, he could be very solid over the next 3 seasons.
If you’re saying they overpaid by $2m/year, perhaps… but I don’t think it is a terrible contract. Polanco got $18m/3 years last off-season, and he was a couple years older than Uribe.
Wow, sox fans are bitter today too? If you think Uribe is worth 3 years and 6 million… something tells me you are not Theo Epstein. Hows your search for a SS going?
FYI, The Sox aren’t in search of a SS they have Scutaro and Lowrie at the position. Plus a hard kid waiting in the minors.
I heard they were shopping Scutaro. Im not a big red sox fan, so I really dont care anyways. Lowrie is pretty good, but isnt he a little unproven?
Dodgers fans are going to be disappointed by this signing. Right up there with John Buck’s deal for the worst so far, in my opinion.
I think Benoit is worse than either of them.
I’m kind of on the fence about Benoit. We’ll throw it up there anyway. Lol
Benoit needs to replicate his 2010 each year for the next three seasons to justify the amount of that contract, and that’s just not happening. $16.5M for him was flat out absurd. I thought MLB GMs had finally learned that overpaying for relievers just isn’t smart… guess not.
No signing all season, no matter how bad, will be as senseless as the Benoit one. When was the last time a reliever finished up a multiyear free agent deal and you said “Wow that worked out well!”…?
I thought that three years was too much, but the Tigers may not have made a bad investment, money wise. I think what the Tigers really wanted was insurance for Jose Valverde and a dominant eigth inning guy, and I think they got the guy that fits perfectly for their club in Joaquin Benoit. He was one of the more attractive righthanders on the market not named Rafael Soriano.
I do agree though, $16.5MM is a lot to commit to a non-closer reliever, but I don’t think the Tigers had much choice. With the way he pitched in 2010, Benoit probably deserved to earn about 6MM a year. The Tigers have money to spend, and they wanted to get their guy. The reason I see the Uribe and Buck signings as worse than the Benoit deal is because of the financial limitations, etc. that their respective teams have going forward.
In the long run, I think that the Marlins will regret giving Buck $18MM and the Dodgers will regret giving Uribe $21MM more than the Tigers will regret giving Benoit $16.5MM. With other variables aside, yes, it’s certainly not an ideal contract. However, I think the Tigers will benefit from the stability that Benoit will bring to their bullpen. Out of the three, I think he’s most likely to repeat his 2010 success, so while it’s bad, I don’t think its’ the worst.
Kind of hard to explain my thinking. That’s why I’m “on the fence.” Lol
BOOOOOOO-ribe
3/21? But that was Brian Sabean’s job!
Although, on a serious note, wouldn’t it have been awesome to have DeWitt now for the league minimum, who’s got a better OBP AND probably can field better than this guy and use the cash for Manny’s replacement.
Dewitts also the league minimum in power, something the Dodgers desperately needed, especially in the infield.
aaaaaand I don’t think DeWitt can field better than Uribe. DeWitt certainly can’t play SS. DeWitt’s strength is 3B, not 2B.
I still rather have Dewitt
I was a huge Dewitt fan.. but Id rather have Uribe.
lol 21 million for a career 300 OBP.
21 is a bit high but 7 mil a year for 24 homers and strong defense at 2b is hardly a terrible signing. It’s an obvious upgrade over Theriot and his 660 ops
and flexibility to play ss/3b in a pinch, especially with fragile furcal over there at ss. good fit in dodgerland, and this coming from a giants fan.
good pass-up by sabean; but now can we get hardy/nishioka from the twins for cheaper? i also think a non-tendered theriot could be a solid fit at at&t park batting 8th.
The guy hits .250 with 20 bombs at 2B. He can play multiple positions and has a cannon for an arm. He’s the same as Uggla except he can field. If the Dodgers got Uggla everyone would be singing Ned’s praises.
Uggla’s career .837 OPS is much better than BOoOoOoO-ribe’s at .731
he’s the same as Uggla lol
Dan Uggla: Avg .287HR 33 RBI 105 Runs 100 SB 4
Juan Uribe: Avg .248 HR 24 RBI 85 Runs 64 SB 1
Really?
He’s a better fielder. On defense in 2010 he made just nine errors, while playing three different positions shortstop, second base and third. 997 to .980. Uribe won’t K 150 times. He’s versatile. He’s less expensive. He’s better than Theriot.
Uggla strikes out too much, especially for a middle infielder. His glove is embarrassing. How much is he gonna cost the Braves? More than 7 per.
Can someone check UZR for the fielding and WAR for how many wins were effected…Uggla has proven to hit though Uribe will probably hit .250 with 20+ HRs while Uggla will probably hit 25+ with .270 avg….only advantage is Uribe is a better defender at SS,2B, and 3B while Uggla is a 2B and below Avg defender
with a runner on first with less than two outs, i prefer the 150-ks-but-able-to-work-the-count-to-get-a-fat-fastball to the undisciplined grounder-to-ss. batter strikeouts are only bad when the pitcher doesn’t have to throw a strike to get an out. notorious k-ers like adam dunn, jim thome, ryan howard, uggla are patient enough to force the pitcher to throw strikes, there’s just no guarantee they’ll make contact when their pitch comes.
alex rodriguez k’s close to 150 times per year. surely you don’t dismiss his production so quickly.
You said “he’s the same as Uggla except he can field”.
Kinda sounds like you were referring to him as being equal offensively which he clearly is not.
Same as Uggla? Check yourself before you wreck yourself..263/.349/.488 does not equal .256/.300/.431. Now granted Uribe can glove but that’s a huge slash difference. Plus Uggla’s a year younger.
Hes no Dan Uggla, but I get what you are saying.
Are you serious? Uggla hits 30+ HR a year. Uribe has eclipsed 20 four times in his career. Uggla is an entirely different class of player. To call them the same is just plain delusional.
You’re right. Uribe can catch, throw and won’t K 150 times.
Yes, Uribe plays better defense. I get it. I still don’t think you will find anyone to agree that he is a better baseball player than Dan Uggla, or even on the same level. I mean, “the same as Uggla except he can field” implies they are equal offensively, which just isn’t true. Yes Uggla Ks a lot, but it’s not like Uribe is a paragon of patience at the plate.
Strikeouts don’t mean jack-diddly-shit if you’re Juan Uribe, the one-tooled wonder. You’re delusional if you think Juan “.300 OBP” Uribe is better than Dan Uggla.
Dude what are you smoking… the offense isn’t the same. The defense isn’t the same. Even the money isn’t the same… Get off the pipe.
haven’t seen theirot really play…how is he..would he be serviceable as a utility man
He’d be fine as a utility guy, but in no way worth the ~$3m he’d get through arbitration. If he is non-tendered as he should be, he’d be a decent utility option.
Not to the Dodgers.. we have Jamey Carroll still.
BOOOO-REEBAY!
Will be regretted by the 2012 All-Star break. Bet me on it.
When the Giants are back in 4th? I gurantee that will happen before 2012.
giants need a ss, i get that. but they don’t need a $7m-per-year aging juan uribe. i’m the last person to defend sabean but this was the right move.and fellow giants fans, chill out! bill neukom is a studly owner. he opened the checkbook to get jose guillen, cody ross, and bullpen help last year when it mattered. not all the moves worked but he was open to risking some financial loss. he approved the huff overpayments. sabean has the support of ownership to go overbudget, so don’t see this as the end and we’re stuck with mark derosa at ss. there will be a new ss, and it might be jj hardy, ryan theriot, or even a blockbuster deal for a scutaro/jose reyes. i personally prefer hardy plus theriot and allow bochy the flexibility to play the hotter hand, but point being we can probably get two serviceable ss options in here for $7m per year and uribe really isn’t irreplaceable. yes, the exact line of .240-20-80 will be hard to replace but maybe you get .270-15-70 or .290-10-50-25stl instead.
Hey, Giants’ fans: a month ago, Uribe was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Now, he’s an overpriced bum? Sounds like sour grapes. Meanwhile, the Giants REALLY overpaid for Aubrey Huff. Two years/$22MM? And the Dodgers helped bid up his price so the Giants would have little left to spend on Uribe. Betcha Uribe puts up better numbers next season than either Huff or the human beachball playing 3rd base for Frisco.
Never heard a Giants fan say “Uribe was the greatest thing since sliced bread”. If you read the Giants MLB board most people wanted to see him resigned SHORT TERM. He was pretty clutch for the Giants but no one is under the illusion that he’s Dan Uggla or anything.
Sure, there’s some sour grapes because he went to the Dodgers but all in all Giants fans are in agreement with the overwhelming majority of fans from around the country on this forum…3/21 is too much for too long.
The problem with this is that Uribe was one of your bigger power guys. I have to admit, that 3 years is a bit much, but I think he will earn his contract. I have mentioned it before, but I see Tejada going to San Fran. You guys are losing Renteria as well..
I was teasing about the 4th place thing, but there is alot of parity in this division. Taking power away from the Giants is a good thing for us, and when you consider that power is coming here…. even better. The combined offense for 2nd baseman for my Dodgers last year, was atrocious. Ill admit, that Uribe is not the most attractive 2nd baseman, but he fills a huge need for us.
Giants fans, dont forget about a full season with Cody Ross, his numbers last year were .269 14HR 65RBI, but dont forget about the year before .270 24HR 90RBIs, he can easily replay Uribe .248 24HR 85RBIs, he is as clutch or more clutch.
Giants fans, dont forget about a full season with Cody Ross, his numbers last year were .269 14HR 65RBI, but dont forget about the year before .270 24HR 90RBIs, he can easily replay Uribe .248 24HR 85RBIs, he is as clutch or more clutch.
Because all of our pitching will fall apart.
Yeah….
You realize that “before 2012 means” next season right?
The Giants proved that they can win 92 games with a below average offense. Next season you will see a full season of Bumgarner and an improved J. Sanchez. And you’re saying they’ll end up behind Colorado, L.A. and Arizona or San Diego in the NL West?
Ha. Are you the same guy saying that Uribe is the same player as Dan Uggla? Good luck with that guarantee.
Whoa… yes I actually do. Counting was one of the first things I ever learned.
“The Giants proved that they can win 92 games with a below average offense.”
An offense that just got worse.
“Next season you will see a full season of Bumgarner and an improved J. Sanchez.”
Id take Hiroki Kuroda and a full season of Ted Lilly over Bumgarner and Sanchez. In fact, you can expect an improved Kershaw and Billingsley as well, since we are playing that game.
“And you’re saying they’ll end up behind Colorado, L.A. and Arizona or San Diego in the NL West?”
Alright.. Ill give the jints a little credit. Your probably better than Az or SD, third sounds a little more accurate.
” Are you the same guy saying that Uribe is the same player as Dan Uggla?”
I suggest you go back and read a little more.
“Good luck with that guarantee.”
I love little blessings from Jints fans.. Good luck staying out of fourth.
“I love little blessings from Jints fans.. Good luck staying out of fourth. ”
As an impartial observer, I find this statement hilarious. Somewhere out there, there’s a Mariners fan trying to instigate a pissing contest with a Rangers fan and losing very soundly if your statement is any indication. Between you and that Oakland fan the other day, Giants fans sure have been getting a nice dose of laughable sour grapes of late.
Zito is better than Lilly and Kuroda. The last three in the Dodgers rotations are mehh at best. Bumgarner is a stud!
Im glad you think so, how nice it must be to have an original thought.. you got any stats to back that up Jint boy?
2010 world championships
giants: 1
dodgers: 0
expected 2010 nl west championships
dodgers: 1
giants: 0
are these the stats you’re asking for? everything else doesn’t matter.
Hey Johnny Come Lately, Im glad you joined the party. How about 5 world series Championships in the last 50 years for us, compared to your one. Those arent the stats you were looking for either, were they.
And the only reason you won, was that hideous growth on Brian Wilsons face. I wouldnt be able to hit him either…
You sound like a stupid raider fan, living in the past. Always talking about championships you never saw. The reason you wouldnt be able to hit Wilson’s pitching is because you arent good enough to make it to the bigs. Grow up little boy, remember, YOU did not win anything.
I think the Faiders are a little closer to you bud.. I was alive for three of these championships sooo.. I dont get your point. Little boy eh? I just let you live with your stupidity on that one.. theres alot of things you can say about me, and little isnt one of them.. I guess YOU didnt win anything either, did you..
I dont claim victory on my behalf unlike the ghetto faider trash. dont bother me loser.
2010 world championships
giants: 1
dodgers: 0
expected 2010 nl west championships
dodgers: 1
giants: 0
are these the stats you’re asking for? everything else doesn’t matter.
Zito is better than [some pitchers, but not] Lily and Kuroda. The last three in the Dodgers’ rotation are [very good for what they are]. Bumgarner [isn’t as good as he was during the playoffs, and has the propensity to lose his fastball velocity]
im a copy editor!!!!
C’mon guy! Zito isn’t better than anyone one from our rotation. Bumgarner is whatevs.
“An offense that just got worse.”
Not really, a healthy Mark Derosa coming back (LF or SS), full season of Buster Posey and Cody Ross. And maybe a trade deal for JJ Hardy. How is that worse that last year? On paper it’s a much better offense than last year. Also now we don’t have a guy who always swings at the first pitch.
“Id take Hiroki Kuroda and a full season of Ted Lilly over Bumgarner and Sanchez.”
I’d take Bumgarner over both Kuroda or Lilly, but not so sure about Sanchez I’ll have to give you that one.
And where did the Dodgers come in 2010? 4th… do I think the Dodgers come in 4th again? No, but 3rd or 2nd is more like it.
“An offense that just got worse.”
Wrong. A full season of Posey and Ross will make up for Uribe alone.
“Id take Hiroki Kuroda and a full season of Ted Lilly over Bumgarner and Sanchez.”
As Dodgers fans worldwide breath a sigh of relief that you aren’t their GM.
I mean seriously. Sanchez has improved every year, is among K leaders year in and year out and Bumgarner is a 21 year old that showed what he’s capable of at the highest level in the WS and looked like a seasoned vet doing it.
“I love little blessings from Jints fans.. Good luck staying out of fourth.”
O.K. here’s one more then. Since the Giants just won the World Series and the Dodgers were the ones in… you guessed it, 4th place let me be the one to wish you luck on staying out of 4th place. Looks like you need it a little more than us.
Hey, I dont need any more angry Giants fans.
I was just simply responding, with what I thought was humor, to a very open ended comment about the Dodgers regretting this move by AS break ’12. I actually thought the Giants winning the series was a good thing for baseball. But Im a Dodger fan, so if I have a chance to make a stupid comment, to a stupid comment made to me, Im gonna take it. Now as far as the pitching staffs go, we’ll argue to the death about whose better. Theyre both among the best in baseball. My saying that the Dodgers having a better staff than the Giants, is no knock on the Giants which is definitley one of the best in baseball.
Fair enough. I can appreciate where you’re coming from. But can you honestly say that you believe that the Dodgers rotation may be better than the Giants?
Kershaw, Billingsly, Kuroda, Lilly and Garland
vs.
Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, Bumgarner and Zito
as a starting 5?
And is there a team out there that would rather face Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez and Bumgarner than Kershaw, Billingsly, Kuroda and Lilly or Garland in a playoff series?
I think it is a toss up, just because of how inconsistent guys like Billingsley and Sanchez have been, and even Lincecum had his share of struggles in 2010.
Kershaw was arguably better than anyone in the Giants rotation last season, so I certainly wouldn’t disregard that. Billingsley has Cain/Lincecum quality stuff when he is on.
And when you get to the bottom 3 of Kuroda/Lilly/Garland vs. Sanchez/Bumgarner/Zito, it is pretty close. If Kuroda, Lilly and Garland are consistent with their 2010 numbers, I think they best the inconsistent Sanchez and Zito and the sophomore Bumgarner. Though Sanchez and Bumgarner definitely have more upside.
Lincecum only struggled in August.
and May. His numbers throughout the season were off his normal pace. Im not too worried about him though, if I were a Giants fan. he was his normal dominant self, thru Sept and Oct.
You can’t compare Billingsley to Cain or Lincecum. Maybe to Sanchez, but Cain and Lincecum are way better. You can’t say Cain is inconsistent because he constantly pitches well. Him not getting offense is not inconsistency on his part. Lincecum only struggled when he changed his pitching mechanics. He reverted back to his older style and was dominant again. Look up on it. I’m not doubting Kershaw’s skill either, but I wouldn’t even be close to say he’s better than everyone on the Giants rotation because he barely has 2 good (not great) seasons while he wasn’t ace stuff his rookie season. Lincecum was dominant from his debut.
I think it is a toss up, just because of how inconsistent guys like Billingsley and Sanchez have been, and even Lincecum had his share of struggles in 2010.
Kershaw was arguably better than anyone in the Giants rotation last season, so I certainly wouldn’t disregard that. Billingsley has Cain/Lincecum quality stuff when he is on.
And when you get to the bottom 3 of Kuroda/Lilly/Garland vs. Sanchez/Bumgarner/Zito, it is pretty close. If Kuroda, Lilly and Garland are consistent with their 2010 numbers, I think they best the inconsistent Sanchez and Zito and the sophomore Bumgarner. Though Sanchez and Bumgarner definitely have more upside.
I think we will see.. its going to be very close. Honestly speaking.. I think Kershaw and Lincecum are both in that top-tier. Kershaw was as good as anybody in the second half last year. With Timmies dropping velocity, Id have to take Kershaw. Cain and Billingsley.. alright Cains better, but not by a rediculous amount. Bills is my favorite guy in baseball, so thats saying alot. I will take Kuroda over Sanchez, yes. Sanchez is improving, no doubt about it, but Id still take Hiro. Sanchez Ks more, but Kuroda walks half as many guys. Bumgarner? I actually love this kid. Same as Posey. Id love to have them here.. But he is going to take his lumps, and going into 2011, I’d take Lilly, simply because he has been in the league alot longer. He was quite a dominant presence for us last year, but we couldnt score him runs. (same goes for cain and Bills too.) A WHIP of 0.991 says how good he was. Garland and Zito is another good match-up, and goes to whoever has the better stuff that day. Its going to be a tough division, either way. there’s pitching all over the west.
I like your comparisons. Actually putting some logic into your post as opposed to other Dodgers fans here.
I think we will see.. its going to be very close. Honestly speaking.. I think Kershaw and Lincecum are both in that top-tier. Kershaw was as good as anybody in the second half last year. With Timmies dropping velocity, Id have to take Kershaw. Cain and Billingsley.. alright Cains better, but not by a rediculous amount. Bills is my favorite guy in baseball, so thats saying alot. I will take Kuroda over Sanchez, yes. Sanchez is improving, no doubt about it, but Id still take Hiro. Sanchez Ks more, but Kuroda walks half as many guys. Bumgarner? I actually love this kid. Same as Posey. Id love to have them here.. But he is going to take his lumps, and going into 2011, I’d take Lilly, simply because he has been in the league alot longer. He was quite a dominant presence for us last year, but we couldnt score him runs. (same goes for cain and Bills too.) A WHIP of 0.991 says how good he was. Garland and Zito is another good match-up, and goes to whoever has the better stuff that day. Its going to be a tough division, either way. there’s pitching all over the west.
Cody Ross isn’t very good at all, bro.
Last season’s right field consisted of John Bowker (now in Pirates MiLB system) followed by stopgaps and ending in a worn out J. Guillen. Didn’t say he was great, just that he’s an upgrade.
i’ve been getting slammed for making that same point. cody ross is not the offensive force that he was in the 2010 postseason but he was a huge inprovement over crap like john bowker and, i hate to say it but it’s so true, crap like mark derosa and aaron rowand. the simple fact that cody ross is that much of an improvement to a team is proof that sabean doesn’t know offense. but he lucked into a championship and god forever bless him for that because i’m a lifelong giants fan. i’m just saying that many other general managers wouldn’t have had this many chances to right the ship.that said, huff is overpaid but only because bill neukom signed off on going overbudget. and ross and guillen and javy lopez and ramirez and fontenot and burrell were all acquired in 2010 because neukom agreed to take on additional financial risk. sure burrell was an easy signing at the league minimum but it was still a financial risk. and the giants right now have an owner who gets it. we can’t overpay huff an uribe in the same offseason, especially with torres and jsanchez and others due some decent raises in arbitration. but i guarantee that mark derosa and manny burriss will not be penciled in as starting shortstop come spring training.
He also said AS break 2012, which is not, next year.
Right, but I wasn’t responding to him. I was responding to you and to remind you, you said:
“When the Giants are back in 4th? I gurantee that will happen before 2012.”
Before 2012 is 2011. Key word being “before”.
You needed to remind me of what? When did i say 2012 is before 2011? Thats the problem with jumping into another persons conversations. We were already talking about the all star break of 2012, before you jumped in. Maybe things would be a little clearer if you paid attention. Its ok though, Ill still gurantee it.
Didn’t we already discuss this?
Did you or did you not say that you guaranteed that the Giants would be in 4th place BEFORE 2012?
That’s what I was referring to. You responded and said it was a tongue in cheek comment and you meant it to be humorous.
I responded by saying “Fair enough. I can appreciate where you’re coming from…” followed by a non-hostile discussion about our pitching staffs.
Which is why I’m not sure why you’re jumping on my case 3 hours later but O.K.
Im not jumping on your case.. I think ive been on here a little too long today.. nevermind me.
With his fantastic on base skills I would be surprised if its sooner than that.
Yes. I mean, he doesn’t get on base or hit for a high average. That won’t get better with age. He has 20 HR pop now, but who knows next year? I have no idea how a guy as big as he does has such great range at all 3 positions he plays. In the end, a shorter deal for $7m or a 3 year deal frontloaded would have been the best options. He will be nothing but a bench player by the end of this contract.
For some my comment didnt edit. I meant to say Uribe sucks and yeah, fun times.
Ridiculous…
Good for Uribe, win the world series and steal $21 mil from the Giants rival.
What if he ended up like Jason Schmidt?
Uribe can’t pitch either.
I would like that if it happened…Last Giant (Position Player) to turn Dodger was Jeff Kent and he had a good career…But I hope since he got his money he wont be motivated to play harder since he got financial security :)
Jason who?!? LOL
i seriously think that he is still a Giant and this is more of a business, he will sabotage the dodgers like FP Santangelo did.
i seriously think that he is still a Giant and this is more of a business, he will sabotage the dodgers like FP Santangelo did.
I like this signing only because it gives the Dodgers a lot of flexibility. With Furcal’s injury history and Blake’s steep offensive decline, having an solid backup option at both of those positions could prove vital.
If the Dodgers are intent on keeping James Loney, I’d play Uribe at 3B and platoon Loney (awful vs. LHP) and Blake (awful vs. RHP) at 1B. Then have DeJesus, Jr. or Carroll at 2B.
Blake at 3B can only really be justified if the Dodgers upgrade at 1B.
I wish Beltre is next. Imagine the defense of Beltre, Furcal, Uribe and Loney. It puts Blake in a full utility role. He can do a double platoon, with Gibbons and Loney in left and at first. It would make for a pretty formidable lineup as well.
Beltre would be a dream come true. If that happened, I wouldn’t complain about McCourt for at least a year. A lineup of Furcal – Kemp – Ethier – Beltre – Uribe – Gibbons – Loney/Blake and Martin/Ellis would be pretty solid.
I think a guy like Pena, LaRoche, Lee, Cantu or Berkman for 1B would be more realistic, though.
does this open the door for jeter to SF speculation?
Yeah, maybe, till they sign Miguel Tejada.
there is no doubt that tejada will be better value as a baseball contract. the thing is jeter can still play SS where as tejada (full time) can’t. i know jeter declined last year, but the year before he decent. i believe a motivated jeter has two more years of decent offensive/defensive SS in him.
with jeter there are so many ways to market him. and this marketing would more than pay for two years at 20 million per with strict vesting options for one or two additional years. personally i’d like to see some ads with the ghost of john mcgraw being involved.
just say’n
I understand what you are saying, but I just dont see how jeter is anything other than a Yankee next year. This whole thing reminds me of Cashman telling A-Rod he can stick it, if he opted out. His value to the Yankees is WAY higher than anyone else, or team. I can see the Red Sox going after him, if relations truly sour, but I just cant see any MLB team going over the 3 yr, 45 that supposedly the yankees offered him.
Tejada/DeRosa at SS is best
Speculation? Maybe, but that’s about it. Do the Giants have $100MM to spend on Jeter for 5 yrs? Are they stupid enough to? Let’s hope so. But it’s more likely that the Giants will drag in another re-tread like Miguel Tejada, who is a shadow of the Tejada of the A’s days.
Giants are well known for stupid overpaid contracts, so u never!! They got the highest paid cheerleader in all baseball. “cough” zito
Ummm, lets hope that neither Jeter nor Tejada end up in orange and black next season.
I can’t wait to see that fat little Panda play 3b fulltime in SF.
Careful what you wish for. 2009 wasn’t so long ago and Pablo is working out full time all winter with a sports fitness firm in Arizona.
Agreed. 2009 wasn’t that long ago. 2009=Dodgers best pitching staff
Yeah because we’re real concerned with how our pitching staffs match up.
Like Jeter, you need to “drink a reality potion”.
Oh we drank the “reality potion”. It was a World Series win led by a 2.45 staff ERA and 12 earned runs over 5 games.
Cute comeback though. Oh, and as B. Wilson would say: It was “delicious”.
Here it is for ya. Ready? It’s naive of you to expect the Giants 2011 staff to emulate what they did this year. Just like it would have been naive of me to expect the Dodgers 2009 staff to recreate the same numbers a year later. Get it? The fact that their starting 5 is the same far from guarantees success. Baseball is a humbling game. Be prepared to be humbled.
Got it.
I got one for you too. Ready?
We’re not talking about a pitching staff with no track record here. Lincecum has 2 Cy Young awards in the past 3 years and had a top 5 type year save for one bad month. Cain is only 24 and getting better every year. Sanchez is getting more consistent every year as well and he can be as dominant as any pitcher in baseball. Bumgarner has yet to prove himself but he transitioned well into the big leagues and is not some run of the mill rookie pitcher. And well, Zito can only go up from here.
So if expecting the Giants staff to emulate 2010 is naive then I must be crazy because I expect the staff to improve as a whole. Time will tell. But if I’m right it will be opposing hitters that will be humbled.
I think you are right on this one though.. I actually think the Giants staff will be better next year. Just not as good as ours… and please.. Im having fun on a baseball board, dont be offended by me or what I say, its all in fun.
Not offended at all man. We both love baseball obviously. We just happen to have been raised by opposing fans it seems.
As for pitching. If the Giants staff improves next year after an already stellar year and you’re saying that the Dodgers staff will be better that’s pretty optimistic I’d say. But time will tell and I’d bet on the Giants arms for sure.
Yeah because we’re real concerned with how our pitching staffs match up.
Agreed. 2009 wasn’t that long ago. 2009=Dodgers best pitching staff
Trade Loney and Broxton for Adrian Gonzalez or Prince Fielder. Put Blake in left, Uribe at #B, and Carroll at 2B. I can dream. . .
Not sure why the Padres would want either of those guys. Broxton for his salary and proximity to free agency. Loney for his escalating salary and below-average production. Pads will want cheap, cost-controllable talent.
No way broxton and loney are enough to net either of them. If u wanna really drop salary, send loney and broxton to WAS for willingham. Then sign a small market 1B. the 1B market is alot better then 3B or LF, whihc is what willingham can play and platoon with even to hopefully avoid injury.
As a Dodger fan I like that trade proposal, but I don’t see the Nationals doing it. As you said, there are a lot of quality free agent 1B on the market, so why do they want an interior one in James Loney? And Broxton is a free agent after this coming season.
Is Willingham not worth more than what is effectively 1 year of Broxton?
for Gonzalez are you smoking weed or something?
manny no goo at bein gm
manny bein colletti
I love it! I hope McCourt owns the Dodgers forever! Can we get him to take Rowand now?
No, you’re stuck with Rowand. What a bust. And you’re stuck with Zito, too. Aubrey Huff will turn out to be the next Giants’ “stuck with” guy.
In that case they’re only “stuck” with him for 2 years.
Uribe was worth two years at $16 million, but they went three years at $21 million. But if they didn’t get Uribe, they would have had Theriot and carroll as the options and Theriot might get $6 million for one year. It is not my money and the Dodgers have been spending like a small market team of late. Since I really like the signings of Garland, Kuroda and Lilly, no complaints here.
Also worth noting is the fact that Blake and Furcal’s contracts end after this coming season. I don’t think they minded going an extra year with Uribe because of this (as Uribe can also play SS and 3B).
P.S. Manny goes to Toronto or the White Sox for $2 million plus incentives. He has a year or two left in him. Maybe 400 ABs as a DH with a line of .320 avg., 15 homes runs and 70 RBIs.
Hrm I sure am glad that AVG, dingers, and ribbies are the best way to evaluate a play-
OH WAIT
Manny will probably hit in the neighborhood of .285/.380/.490 given a full time DH role, and that’s probably a little conservative.
Thats if he dosent get the Bonds treatment… the 4th place finish, as painful as it was, was nullified when Manny, and his singles hitting antics, packed his bags or Chi-town.
I love it! Thank you, McCourt. I’m your biggest fan. I hope you own the Dodgers forever and keep Ned as your G.M.! Can we interest you in Barry Zito or Rowand?
Christmas just came early…
No, we’ll only take your good players.
Well, compared to Dodger players, that would be anybody on the Giants’ roster, including the batboy…
Yup… thats a laugher.. LOL!
What are the giants going to do now with no middle infielder? Give tejada a horrible zito, rowand contract? They’re known for that. Tejada can’t play everyday like he used to. Giants wouldve been better off trying to keep uribe
There goes all your credibility….
You’re right! I blew it, didn’t I!
You’re right! I blew it, didn’t I!
Whatever. The truth is that the Giants won the WS with a bunch of nobodies and a great pitching staff. The nobodies just happened to fire up at the end of the season when the Pads died or the Gmen would never have seen a WS ring or even the opportunity. Juan Uribe is no big loss. I can’t believe the Trolley Dodgers forked over $21,000,000 for 3 years! LOL Okayyyyyy…
Yeah, it was basically a complete choke job by the Padres that gave the Giants a postseason appearance.
And Brooks Conrad that got them to the NLCS.
But they were impressive from there on out…
The Padres pitching staff was gassed by the end of the season, it wasn’t exactly a choke job.
I think the Billy Wagner injury was a lot more significant than Brooks Conrad. That injury completely screwed with their bullpen
Okay Ned, all you have to do to be forgiven for spending $21 million on Uribe is spending $79 million+ more than that on Carl Crawford.
Guessing though that Dodgers fans will be seeing Pat Burrell in LF next year.
Only if he’s in left for the Giants. Then, he and Pablo can relay balls hit to the wall as far as the infield dirt…or into the stands.
I actually wouldnt mind Pat the bat in LA on a 1 yr deal.. gap filler to either Gerry Sands, Trayvon Robinson, or even Bryan Cavazos-Galvez. We have depth in the orginization.
Mr. McCourt… here’s a guy you should look at. His name is Syd Finch and if you act quickly, you can get him for under $100 million…
Or you can just sign Barry Zito.. Too bad your not as funny as Bill Plympton
But… I’m as literate as George Plimpton. And… I can spell. It’s you’re, not “your.” Ask your third-grade teacher when you’re in class tomorrow.
Who is “Bill Plympton?”
You’ve got to be from L.A. I’m guessing Compton?
Who is Syd Finch? I assumed you were talking about Sidd..
My 3rd grade teacher? Um, maybe your rest home is running low on meds again.. or maybe your just mad that you need a little blue pill in order to give yourself a good time..
Compton? Not quite.. Im assuming your hospice care is in oakland?
You sick old man.. why are you thinking about 3rd graders?
Kind of a pathetic come-back. Your game is weak. Kind of like your team…
My englysh is quyte fyne, gyantsfansynce52. Me the ageist? I believe you were the one that swung at me, like Johnny Lemaster, with your 3rd grade comments..
My moms been dead for 5 years.. whatever you do with her is just sick. I know you giants fans are all for same-sex marriages, but necrophylia is going just a bit far.. (I guess your old enough, youll be in the dirt soon enough.)
And at 58 years old, Id think youd be smart enough to have enough in retirement so you dont have to work 70 -84 hours per week. I sure hope I dont have your life at that age.
Whoa.. 67 huh.. Wow, i thought your life was pathetic before.. Good thing McDonalds hires seniors. I’d figure that when you got hired to be the top burger flipper, you’d at least try to negotiate a retirement plan.. LOL! GO AARP!!
Whoa.. 67 huh.. Wow, i thought your life was pathetic before.. Good thing McDonalds hires seniors. I’d figure that when you got hired to be the top burger flipper, you’d at least try to negotiate a retirement plan.. LOL! GO AARP!!
The third grade remarks were to your prowess in spelling… It was at about a third-grade level… for the ones who ride the short bus…
I thought she wasn’t moving like she usually was…
And now you’re onto bashing gays. I imagine you think I equate the town with the team? I’m on the east coast, my little pal. And, I’m 67, not 58. Reading comprehension is kind of a weakness for you, isn’t it? And, it’s still you’re when it’s an abbreviation of you are and dont is spelled don’t and youll is spelled you’ll.
As for my life, you couldn’t handle it at your age, much less mine. You’re a very bitter little guy, aren’t you? I love your adorable little outfit on your photo–who’s your dress-alike? You know, of course, than there are two things a guy doesn’t do after he turns 21… he loses the “y” or the “ie” at the end of his name and uses the grown-up version… and he doesn’t wear another guy’s name or number on his shirt.
As far as not having enough money, that’s kind of my choice and I’m fine with it. Work isn’t a bad word with my generation. Don’t feel I’m entitled to everything.
You know, you’re just a… what’s the word I’m looking for? Oh, yeah. Punk. I’m going to sign off to let you have the last word. I suspect that’s important to you. It isn’t to me very much.
I’ll be in the dirt soon enough, eh? Guess you’re right. But… you’ll still be a punk…
When did I bash gays? I just said most Giants fans think gays are OK. I happened to post your proper age, 9 minutes before your latest rant. I dont need your help, old man. I can read, and figure things out on my own.
Now as far as my “dress-alike” that would be Jint basher, Andre Ethier, and I, sitting in the Dodger dugout, at Dodger Stadium, you broke, old man. Maybe if you started saving money at an earlier age, maybe you could afford picture opps with your favorite Jint players in their dugout as well. Or maybe if you spent less time proof reading and calling out everyone who misspells something, or drops an ‘.
So.. let me get this straight.. you are attacking me, on a baseball site, for wearing the jersey of one of my favorite players? Have you ever been to a baseball game, you tool?
Im actually a very happy man, with a happy family. Im a sole proprietor, with a succesful and growing buisness, while my wife has one of the most important, and highest paying positions, in one of the busiest ports in the world. We will both be retired before the age of 55, and our home (in Orange County)is paid for. Not bad for a “punk”, 34 yr old.
Its probably better you sign off now, no need to embarass yourself and alienate every baseball fan thats ever owned a players jersey. Imsuprised you cant afford one, working 70-84 hrs per week. LOL.. TOOL
man you two are so goddamned cool
i wish i could argue over the internet about juan uribe
When did you bash gays? How about “I know you giants fans are all for same-sex marriages?” Did I miss something? Sounds like code for gay-bashing to me. What makes you come up with a stereotype like “most Giants’ fans” do anything the same, other than like the same team?
Might want to clear up a few of your assumptions. I’m far from being broke. I work because I love to work and will never quit. I’m a writer with a few films in the bank and several novels and a bunch of other books. My agent will never let me quit–he needs a book or two a year. And, a few of them are baseball books and were best-sellers. Played baseball, have an uncle a year older than me who played for five major league teams, a son who was recruited by every major school in the country, including LSU the year they won the College World Series. In fact, HBO is interested in the film rights to my memoir which comes out in a year and a half. Actually, they told my manager to not even show it to anyone else.
I guess I’m old–that’s what my age says–but I don’t feel it. Don’t judge everyone by how you think you’ll turn out.
As far as business, I’ve had over a dozen businesses and they were all profitable and I wrote three business book on how to succeed in business and they’re still selling.
I feel kind of sorry for you. You seem to measure value in life by money. That’s really pathetic. Kind of shallow.
And, I paid for my own education after I served four years in the Navy during Viet Nam. Wonder if your mommy and daddy paid for yours? I also started all my businesses without loans or handouts. Wonder if you have the same story?
So that’s not your wife in your photo? Guess I was wrong with my first guess…
As far as getting to sit in the dugout… I’m a bit ahead of that. I know personally several hundred major leaguers on a first-name basis. Sorry I got into it with your little peabrain. You probably should get out of Orange County more. Actually, I lived there years ago. My then-girlfriend and I lived for several months with Jack Kelly who was then mayor of Huntington and then we moved to Costa Mesa. You probably don’t know this, but Jack was Bart Maverick in the old TV series. The weather sucked, couldn’t swim in the water (too cold) and couldn’t drink on the beach, the food was flat and tasteless, so moved back to New Orleans, my original home so I could get a meal with flavor…
I’d be careful what I assume about people… Especially us old codgers…
I’d be careful what I assume about people… Especially us old codgers…
True enough.. I didnt mean for it to get all personal.. it just happened. I came here to have a liitle fun with Giants fans, not get into a verbal fist-fight with someone over non baseball related things. Im sorry for my comments, as I know I should respect my elders. I’ll want that same respect when I get to where you are. I am not college educated, my parents never pressed me with school. I am putting a little over 500 per month away for my 2.5 yr old daughter in a college fund, because I realize the importance of a college education. If you met me personally, youd think I am a good, hard working young man, that gives his all for his family. I do not value money more than life, its just a ridiculous, pointless argument with a Giants fan that brings that out. I lost an Uncle to the Vietnam war, that sent shockwaves thru my family, that it still deals with today. I have the utmost respect for those that went, and the ones that never came back.
Im a little young to remeber Maverick. Ive never been a movie or TV guy anyways. The weather here is great, I love it here. I live next to Seal Beach weapons station, so we get this cool ocean breeze that makes us 10 degrees cooler than everyone else in OC, during the summer. You still cant drink on the beach, and you still cant swim, not because its cold, but because its green and foamy. OC is probably alot different than you remember it, its changed alot. You can definitely find a good meal, though Im sure the gumbo is better where you are, than here.
So again I will apologize for my foolishness
I just started reading this forum, but will probably stop because of all the Giant fans flamed by Giants fans. This post of yours wins CLASSIEST reply. A lot of people here should read it again and think about when posting their own. Giant fans are supposed to HATE LA, not other Giant fans. Your post made my day. Maybe there is still hope for human kind. Nah. I’ll stick with dogs. 99% of dogs are better people than 99% of humans. But, it was uplifting to this post of yours. Some much needed FRESH AIR! Now if only the other 99% thought like you came to think.
I apreciate it Don. Like I said, Im just here to have fun. This conversation, wasnt fun anymore.
The third grade remarks were to your prowess in spelling… It was at about a third-grade level… for the ones who ride the short bus…
I thought she wasn’t moving like she usually was…
And now you’re onto bashing gays. I imagine you think I equate the town with the team? I’m on the east coast, my little pal. And, I’m 67, not 58. Reading comprehension is kind of a weakness for you, isn’t it? And, it’s still you’re when it’s an abbreviation of you are and dont is spelled don’t and youll is spelled you’ll.
As for my life, you couldn’t handle it at your age, much less mine. You’re a very bitter little guy, aren’t you? I love your adorable little outfit on your photo–who’s your dress-alike? You know, of course, than there are two things a guy doesn’t do after he turns 21… he loses the “y” or the “ie” at the end of his name and uses the grown-up version… and he doesn’t wear another guy’s name or number on his shirt.
As far as not having enough money, that’s kind of my choice and I’m fine with it. Work isn’t a bad word with my generation. Don’t feel I’m entitled to everything.
You know, you’re just a… what’s the word I’m looking for? Oh, yeah. Punk. I’m going to sign off to let you have the last word. I suspect that’s important to you. It isn’t to me very much.
I’ll be in the dirt soon enough, eh? Guess you’re right. But… you’ll still be a punk…
3 and 21??? Uribe is an important piece to a contending club, but not as a starter in the middle infield! Loved him in his super-utility role with the Giants, but not for $21 million! GREAT for him, but LA overpaid tremendously! Derek Jeter and his reps must be beside themselves with happiness when teams are willing to shell out $21 million for guys like Uribe! Pay up Yanks, or obviously someone else will…
Why would Jeter and Casey Close be happy that Juan Uribe got 7 milnper year when they are asking for 3 times that per year? Jeter is hardly 3 times the player Uribe is. If anything it makes the yanks 15/year offer more reasonable
Jeter is a FAR better player than Uribe! Check out last year’s stats and career lines. Not even close! The only number where Uribe is better is home runs. I want a middle infielder who is going to play GREAT defense, not one who bobbles even routine balls, which is what Uribe does. Uribe is clearly a super-sub infielder, a role in which he thrives. He is NOT an everyday player at one position, as evidenced by this being his ONLY multiyear contract EVER! Jeter and Co. will settle with the Yanks somewhere in between his current asking price and the Yanks offer.
You are obviously someone who bases their opinions on a players defense with eye sight and number of errors so there’s no point to argue with you
U-ribe had the best fielding percentage in the league.
Giants get a supplemental first rounder now as a result of this signing right?
Yep! A much better choice than to give $21 million over three years to Uribe, as much as I loved him as a super-sub!
nope its a decent draft pic no 1st rounder
No, a supplemental SECOND round pick as Uribe was a Type B free agent, not Type A.
Dodgers have become our farm team… kind of like Kansas City was for the Yankees in the fifties and sixties…
Yeah pretty much the same thing right?
That makes no sense by the way. How have the Dodgers become your farm team? Do you constantly pluck young studs from the Dodgers? I’m assuming you meant the Dodgers have helped you get draft picks…which only makes sense for the Schmidt signing since the pick you got for Uribe doesn’t actually come from the Dodgers
You know what they say about “assuming…” Here’s a history lesson… Back in the fifties and the sixties, the Yankees would trade a player who just had a bad year to Kansas City. Then, when he got better, they’d trade to get him back. The poster boy for this situation was Roger Maris, but there were many more. Their “relationship” was commonly referred to as “the Athletics being the Yankees farm club.” And, no charge for the history lesson–I give this to 12-year-olds who don’t know much about the history of baseball all the time…
Hint: They didn’t actually mean K.C. gave up their young studs to the Yanks… Knowing that will help you understand the reference. I’m guessing… you’re a Dodger fan, right? That explains a lot–it was never in a movie…
Wow. For someone who made a ton of of assumptions in that post you sure didn’t like me assuming your original point. Either way, sadly your point is still incorrect. Who have you traded or let go to the Dodgers after they had a bad year? Of those players who did you reacquire after they started producing? I love how you take my apparent misinterpretation of your point as a chance to bash dodger fans everywhere. Generalizations are worthless.
I love to bash Dodger fans, but it’s ridiculously easy. Should leave this to an amateur… But, they wouldn’t finish the discussion–they’d have to leave in the seventh…
The Giants can have another outstanding season “if”: Lincecum’s arm holds up; Bumgarner can pitch an entire season like the portion of 2010 after he’s been seen by the league; if Jonathan Sanchez can keep from thinking on the mound; if Huff can duplicate his numbers; if Pablo Sandoval loses 75 lbs; if the Giants keep their entire bullpen together; if they can find a shortstop. That’s alot of “ifs”. Every team has its “ifs”, but the Giants have too many.
his versatility is what made him 3 yrs not his overall talent. its a ridiculously weak market, he made out well
The Giants decided to overpay Huff rather than overpay Uribe. Given that they have an up and comer who plays Huff’s position, and no one to fill Uribe’s shoes, I think that was a mistake.
My hope now is that Uribe turns into Aaron Rowand ie continually chases breaking balls into the dirt and loses a step.
Uribe has already started chasing breaking balls and lost a step. I think they decided to overpay Huff as opposed to Uribe because Huff is just better. Uribe can play SS and 2B fine, but should only be an emergency 3B. Huff is a better overall hitter, and can move to LF easily, another position of need to fill for the giants. If belt can get the call up early on, there’s 1B and LF solved. The market for SS is weak on stars, but you can get solid defenders (scutaro, hardy, bartlett)
I highly doubt that resigning Huff was a mistake. Remember, he can play LF adequately and Belt has played some LF as well. Plus 2 years at $10 mil each isn’t terribly bad for someone with Huff’s numbers in a pitchers park. He was 7th in NL MVP voting for a reason.
Ned… picture it. Barry Zito and Syd Finch in the rotation. Johnny Antonelli is available as well.
Dude you have too much time on your hands. How many posts are you going to have on here trolling?
A bunch! And, I’m glad you know my name is “Dude.” Did you see my movie? I’m really glad you’re watching out for my time. Appreciate it…
Just celebrating the Giants’ world championship and loving that the Dodger fans have to suffer…
Dodger fans aren’t suffering. We got over your world championship the moment it happened. Thanks though
I agree. I think I’m tired of the Phillies enough that it didn’t really bother me that the Giants won nearly as much as I thought it would.
i agree…ive been a Dodger fan since i was like 3, but yet, i was all for the Giants over the Phillies…
I think alot of Dodger fans hate the Phillies more then the Giants at the moment
Let him have his say.. id be talking trash if my team took 54 years to win a championship too.
I believe that (got over it the moment it happened). Dodger fans are famous for leaving early…
maybe you can explain why you think all we do in Los Angeles is watch movies because you comment twice about “watching movies” or ” did you watch my movie” which is an insult i dont get. I guess when you grew up in the golden age of hollywood you assume everyone wants to be in pictures
You do realize that the Dodgers already have 5 starting pitchers all fully capable of sub-3.75 ERAs and 200 IP… right?
Zito is capable of putting up an ERA of 3.50 or better and 200 IP but that doesn’t mean he will do it.
Barry Zito hasn’t had an ERA below 3.75 since 2003.Every guy in the Dodgers rotation had an ERA below 3.65 in 2010. And they all threw over 190 IP.Kershaw 2.91 ERA / 204.1 IPBillingsley 3.57 ERA / 191.2 IPKuroda 3.39 ERA / 196.1 IPLilly 3.62 ERA / 193.2 IPGarland 3.47 ERA / 200 IP
Zito is capable of putting up an ERA of 3.50 or better and 200 IP but that doesn’t mean he will do it.
I will always despise you for that Game 6 HR off of Ryan Madson. But, two World Series titles speak for themselves.
Ned is so stupid!!
Honestly as Giants fan i think Uribe has maybe one good year left in him. Last season he started hot and his hitting declined each month after that.
Uribe you traitor! Don’t you have a say-in at all on this deal? Sure, you know the Giants were gonna try to bring you back. You know you just left the best rotation in baseball, your fellow Latino players, and a defending World Series Champion team. Sure we’ll cheer you when you first come back to SF but what a way to leave us. Thx for all the epic homers, first pitch hacks, but now that you’re in Dodger blue I hope you pull another Jason Schmidt.
Good now, the ‘Giants can bring Charlie Culberson up from Fresno to play SS. He is going to be better than Uribe and Jeter because of his athletic ability. Just you wait and see.
Geaux Giants!
Culberson plays 2nd, and doesn’t even play it all that well as of yet. love that bat tho
Totally agree! And wait till Belt gets here! Who else can we send to the Dodgers to make room for good players? I’m hoping they don’t even try to get Jeter or Tejada or any of those old-timers…
Since when is Culberson in Fresno? Or did i fall into the Sarchasm
Culberson hasn’t played in Fresno yet…He’s only been in A and AA.
Hes never even been in AA. Which is why i thought it was a joke post
In 2013 the Dodgers will be paying Uribe to play for the White Sox.
LOL.. hes not an outfielder.
Hahaha good point!
Gotta get the money while you can, Juan. Pretty good power, not so good hitter, and the Giants gave you the chance to be part of a champion. Thanks for the good things you did getting the SF Giants their championship, it means a lot. I’m not surprised you went for the $$ over the team, that’s what WS champ teams endure in the off season, the loss of players. That said — you do realize you’ll be 5 for 40 with 3 walks 20 strikeouts, 1 homer (maybe 1) when we face you? Well the money makes up for it. Good luck, and thank you, you were fun to watch.
this is hilarious
It is, isn’t it. Picture it–bitter Dodger’s fans vs happy Giants’ fans. Proves there’s a God in heaven and He’s in charge…
The funny part is the Giants fans repeated replies of “So?! I don’t even care. We didn’t even want the guy. Whatever, poopey head Dodger fans.”
That same God tortured you for 56 years, so yes, he seems to know what he’s doing.
I feel this is going to bite the Dodgers in the behind. Hard. I expect either an injury riddled stint or very low productions from the aging Uribe.
Juan, get the $$, thanks for getting SF its championship. Thanks for the fun and frustration of watching you, at the end of the year you made it worth it. That said — maybe you’ll go 3 for 40 with 25 strikeouts and no homers against us. Look who you gotta see pitching against you! Traitor…? Well the Giants gave you the shot, you made a difference and like all WS champs off-season attrition happens. SF paid Huff, and if he can have a close to the same season as 2010 it’s worth it.
Solid and safe signing for a team that needed help in the middle infield and in the club house. You Giant fans know you wanted him back but you hate to say anything positive because he went to the Dodgers. Good to see you finally won your first WS ring in Cali. Now go and rebuild your team.
Sure SF wanted him back, but does anyone think he scared anyone and we won because of that? Timely hitting and ridiculously great pitching did it. Okay, I still don’t know what it was but I can’t lay it at his feet, or think losing him is a problem. See how the hole gets filled at SS/3rd base in SF. Does Sandoval get back in shape? There’s Uribe replaced if he does. And yeah, as WS champs SF will lose ppl like every WS team, and you notice it’s the sorta good (not great) players or those who haven’t had a good payday? That’s Uribe. But — he’s gotta take the $$, he did the right thing.
Since the Dodgers have 2011 needs for starting pitching, relief pitching, outfield, infield, AND catching they’re not going to be able to solidify every position unless Colletti was handed something to the tune of $30 million extra.The Dodgers infield will be a platoon for Mattingly to juggle. Uribe’s signing gives them a larger amount of infield flexibility and less $$ commitment than signing Uggla. I was really into the idea of Uggla, but hindsight being 20/20 this will aid the Dodgers more in the event somebody gets injured……Which is greater than 50% chance at 3D and SS. Otherwise, the lineup will start looking like AAA.
Trust this, Uribe is an injury proned player himself. Maybe you wanted to say it gives them yet another injury prone infielder. LOL
Yeah, that’s a good point. However, I’d take Uribe over Theriot and Co. in a lineup. Since it’s a platoon set-up, my guess is Coletti wagered that possibilty into the mix.
The only reason why Uribe got such a sweet deal is supply/demand in the infield market. That and even if he is a health liability, the Dodgers didn’t have to give away any infield prospects in the deal which could supplant Uribe/Blake/Carroll down the road. People (like me) doubted the Carroll purchase last year and it was a life-saver.
Though the Dodgers bought high on Uribe, good for him for getting paid.
Ah, getting paid and being a WS champion–great life, huh?
I like the signing. I agree he’s getting overpaid and too many years, but this fills a lot of holes that keeping Theriot wouldn’t. He’s a solid 2B with good power, which is something the Dodgers need. And if DeJesus or Hu have good springs and earn a starting job (unlikely), they can slide him to third and move Blake to a utility role or into left field, depending on what they do there. And when Furcal inevitably gets hurt again, he can play short. Considering what Theriot might get in arbitration, it’s not a huge increase in salary at the position and the production is likely to be far better.
Considering Ned was never going to be in the mix for Lee, Crawford or Beltre, he’s done a pretty good job to this point filling the rotation and now second base with moderate salaries.
THANK GOD he didn’t go to St. Louis. Man, 3/21? what a huge investment on this guy.
Wow, way to go Uribe, and way to f with the market Dodgers.
John Mozeliak!?
Where is your head at? Get with the flow!
John Mozeliak!?
Where is your head at? Get with the flow!
any mediocre offense with the Giants pitching staff is world series material. I think Sabean will sign Pat Burrell and let the Burriss/DeRosa take SS.
Torres
Sanchez
Posey
Huff/Belt
DeRosa
Ross/Burrell
Skinnier Panda
Burriss
Pitcher
It all depends on what position they play
Burriss/DeRosa would be a nice experiment, but it could very well end up like the 2B situation in 2009.
any mediocre offense with the Giants pitching staff is world series material. I think Sabean will sign Pat Burrell and let the Burriss/DeRosa take SS.
Torres
Sanchez
Posey
Huff/Belt
DeRosa
Ross/Burrell
Skinnier Panda
Burriss
Pitcher
It all depends on what position they play
Giants fans, dont forget about a full season with Cody Ross, his numbers last year were .269 14HR 65RBI, but dont forget about the year before .270 24HR 90RBIs, he can easily replay Uribe .248 24HR 85RBIs, he is as clutch or more clutch. * copied
Giants fans, dont forget about a full season with Cody Ross, his numbers last year were .269 14HR 65RBI, but dont forget about the year before .270 24HR 90RBIs, he can easily replay Uribe .248 24HR 85RBIs, he is as clutch or more clutch. * copied
im just happy the the dodgers now have an 2ndbaseman that can hit plus 20HR. Uribe is already a proven bat against NL West pitching. I also hope this means that the dodgers wont trade Loney now that they have some power in the infeild, and try to find more power in left field or the Catcher’s spot “sorry Russell = (“
im just happy the the dodgers now have an 2ndbaseman that can hit plus 20HR. Uribe is already a proven bat against NL West pitching. I also hope this means that the dodgers wont trade Loney now that they have some power in the infeild, and try to find more power in left field or the Catcher’s spot “sorry Russell = (“
But last night on KMOV Sports Plus in St. Louis, it was said the Cardinals were going after Uribe. What happened there? Did someone actually turn down “the best city in baseball”?
Uribe was never gonna find a contract in St. Louis. After the Holliday contract and the looming Pujols deal.
the Dodgers just signed Darrel Thomas/Lee Lacy for $7M/yr…those are the guys who probably feel cheated!!
TERRIBLE signing for the Dodgers. As usual, we suck again : (
Gave him one year too many, for sure, but I’ll give Ned a pass on this since he effectively took a piece off the Giants chess board. Also, people overlook how bad our defense was last year and this improves the infield somewhat.
Rotoworld usually hits the nail on the head with these things. Here’s their take: That’s quite a bit of money to be paying an over-30 infielder with a 731 career OPS, but he will immediately improve the Dodgers’ middle infield defense and should bring a spark to the lineup.
That just about sums it up. Depending on your perspective this deal could go either way. Let’s wait and see how things turn out before passing judgement.
the giants and dodgers should fight it out as there really isnt a bunch of big fish out there that alot of clubs are not gonna be fighting over dunn with the dodgers would be great for us how many e’s will be chalked up in his season with that teflon glove
Dodger fans really crack me up. Take a good look at that roster. Declining catcher, aging third baseman, no left fielder, basket case closer, no middle relief, rookie manager, no bench. The Padres gave the Giants way more trouble than the Dodgers did. Why do you think Bochy moved Uribe to third? Think about that for a minute.
Oh, dear lord, no middle relief and an incomplete bench… because all other teams have their bullpens and bench completely set by the end of November, right?
Kuo, Jansen, Broxton and Belisario easily beat the top 4 arms in the Giants bullpen. The back end of the bullpen will sort itself out, as will the bench.
At this point the Dodgers are probably one big bat away from contending. They need either Beltre at 3B (in which case a platoon of Loney/Blake would be adequate at 1B), or they need to sign a big bat for LF or 1B. Catcher is an issue, but there are hardly many improvements to Martin on the market.
Uribe will probably see plenty of time at 3B for the Dodgers. They could have Carroll/DeJesus at 2B with Blake either in LF or platooning with Loney at 1B (depending on whether the Dodgers acquire a 1B or LFer).
Still 3 months to go.
“Kuo, Jansen, Broxton and Belisario easily beat the top 4 arms in the Giants bullpen.”
That’s a bit of a stretch. The Giants had the best bullpen ERA in the league last year. If Broxton can get his head back on straight, bellesario can pitch better than a 5 ERA, and Jansen repeats what he did last year in a 12 IP sample size maybe you’d be right.
I think the Padres’ bullpen makes the game look more dismal in the 6th inning than both the Dodgers and the Giants. Overall, I’d say that the NL West is the most competitive pitching division in the MLB. It’s not like one seriously blows out the other one (especially since Torre’s not in charge of the Dodgers anymore). That’s why Colletti mounted up pitching with no time to spare. If he didn’t, the Dodgers were still going to be 4th place.
All this is based on balanced necessity and what the market will provide.
“That’s a bit of a stretch. The Giants had the best bullpen ERA in the league last year.”
and the Dodgers had the best bullpen ERA in ’09, you see how that worked out. On pure talent I’d say the Dodger’s is better but in the end that means nothing. Bullpens are fickle.
The Giants had career performances out of Casilla, Lopez and Ramirez. I’d be surprised if they come close to the numbers they put up this season again. Romo and Wilson are incredible, I wouldn’t put them that far above Kuo and Broxton. When Kuo is healthy, he is better than either of them. Jansen blew away everybody on his was up to the ML level, his numbers throughout the minors were ridiculous. Belisario pitched to a 2.04 ERA in 2009 but struggled with injury and personal issues in 2010.With the depth the Dodgers have in the minors with De La Rosa, Lindblom, Elbert, Link, Leach, Schlichting, Guerra, Troncoso, Monasterios… their bullpen should not be a major concern.
Last year was a weird year for us out of the pen. 2009, with almost the same exact bullpen, we were tops in the MLs. 2008 we again, had almost the same squad, and we were 2nd in the NL.
Dodgers are horrible, how many wins did you have last year?
I hope Uribe enjoys playing all those games against Giants pitching! And I hope the Dodgers fans enjoy watching him strikeout at a ball in the dirt w/ RISP.
It’s funny out a key piece of a WS team suddenly turns to crap when he signs with their rival.
These Giants fans seem more defensive about claiming Uribe sucks than the Dodger fans do about claiming he’s good. Interesting….
you cant argue that the dodgers have a better starting rotation then the giants
you have a two time cy young winner on the giants no one in the dodgers has ever been mentioned for that except for kershaw who still has yet to win a playoff game! Billz is a head case and the rest of the rotation is good but not great so dont trip yourself thinking we have such a great rotation. believe me i want the dodgers to beat the hell out of the giants and any team but can you really be that blind to say our rotation is better? when the giants won a world series last year on pitching alone come on dodger fans dont lie to yourself ps i love the doyers!
I dont undersatnd your post.. still going withthat Bills is a head case? Did you watch any games last year? Youve got a 22 year old pitcher, hasnt won a playoff game, so he suddenly isnt good anymore? Ever heard of Ted Lilly? Hiroki Kuroda? Jon Garland? Thats 5 pitchers that threw over 190 innings. 5 pitchers with an ERA well below league average. 5 pitchers that can go out, just about any day, and dominate a game. This quite possibly, may be the best 5 man rotation the Dodgers have ever put on the field. And if you r a Dodger fan, like you say you are, we are an orginization thats known for its pitching. So the Giants won on pitching alone huh? So, I guess they won every game 0-0? One more thing.. its DODGERS!!! Tommy Lasorda ought to come to your house and smack you silly, for disrespecting the DODGERs name..
i understand the point you are trying to make but I think you lost everyone when you claimed that Garland could dominate a game. I agree he is a GREAT 5th starter but lets not get carried away. Only concern I have with the staff is its lack of depth. Three of the pitchers are in their 30’s two of which are in their mid 30’s and their 2 young guns are coming off inning increases…..there are Zero pitchers set to take a spot in the rotation pending an injury.
seriously. nearly 300 comments for juan uribe?
and most of them stupid comments from stupid giants fans and stupid dodgers fans who really make me embarrassed for ever having enjoyed this rivalry. as a lifelong giants fan (30+ years) i know that tommy lasorda and orel hershiser made it fun to hate the dodgers, they were worth “hating” and i mean that as good-natured booing, not the unbelievably stupid crap that litters this page right now. the list of people to join the hated rival grows from hershiser, brett butler, kent, schmidt, many other players, and now uribe.
it’s only fun when the rival is worthy of the rivalry. here’s to a heated battle for the 2011 nl west title between uribe’s new team and the team he helped to the championship.
Living near Hollywood sure has made Dodger fans lose touch with reality. They were basically a .500 team last year, now they’re talking about the World Series??? Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!
Ned must be eating his heart out, that the Giants beat him to a World Series championship, not to mention the Dodgers finished fourth. I’m sure he’s the one that jacked up the price on Aubrey Huff, now he pays $21 million guaranteed over three years to a 32 year old player who hit only .248 and had a .310 OBP. Who pays that kind of money? Someone bent on damaging the Giants. As much as I love the guy, he was a feast or famine guy, who would occasionally pop a big hit but strike out a lot, too.
Good luck, Ned. You’re gonna need it with a fourth place, .500 team.
can you also tell me the winning lotto numbers since you can apparently tell the future
He has only played over 50 games at 2nd base once in his career. In that year he was league avg defensivley. I know there is a lot of comments on the contract and contract length and dollars involved, but I’m going to say it is even stranger to make this type of commitment to a guy who has never been an everyday second baseman. A utility guy whose worst position was second base this sort of commitment. If he was going to play SS or 3rd I could see a multiyear commitment but to commit 3 years to a guy who has essentially never been a regular (usually around 15-30 games a year) to be an everyday second basemen.
i think this guy woulda looked better in cardinal red
Blah Blah Blah, here come the sorry as giant fans to talk bad about uribe, first they love this guy now they hate him and he sucks, Booo, let the guy play and shut the hell up.
And the Giant fan that is using Dodger1994 get a life dude, you are not even a Dodger fan.
how am i not a dodger fan? Because im realistic? Sorry bro i was the last one to give up on the dodgers last year i didnt stop believing until we were mathematically eliminated my grandpa followed the dodgers here from ny it runs in the family so yea im a huge die hard dodger fan i would love to see them win but its just shows how biased you are to think we have a better rotation then the jints. we just dont. That doesnt mean we cant win the division but what happened last time we were in the playoffs without a true ace….. yea all i have to say is matt stairs jimmy rollins and 15 hours of lost sleep so yea i am a dodger fan dont disrespect me and say im not
Read Jon Weisman’s blog at ESPN, it’s an interesting comparison of players who have played for both the Dodgers and Giants since 1988. There are quite a lot who have played for both teams, and over the long haul, it hasn’t worked out for either team.
Hate you dodgers! mad you got uribe from my giants
how am i not a dodger fan? Because im realistic? Sorry bro i was the last one to give up on the dodgers last year i didnt stop believing until we were mathematically eliminated my grandpa followed the dodgers here from ny it runs in the family so yea im a huge die hard dodger fan i would love to see them win but its just shows how biased you are to think we have a better rotation then the jints. we just dont. That doesnt mean we cant win the division but what happened last time we were in the playoffs without a true ace….. yea all i have to say is matt stairs jimmy rollins and 15 hours of lost sleep so yea i am a dodger fan dont disrespect me and say im not