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New York Notes: Pettitte, Mets, Collins, Crawford

By Ben Nicholson-Smith | January 31, 2011 at 1:49pm CDT

The Yankees would like a certain left-handed starter and the Mets are looking for the right minority owner. Here's the latest on baseball's two New York teams:

  • Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports wonders if Andy Pettitte will demand more than Hiroki Kuroda money ($12MM) from the Yankees. The Bronx Bombers are reportedly set to offer the left-hander $12MM to play another season.
  • Martin Luther King III told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that he has interest in advancing "the vision of a more diverse ownership group in professional sports."
  • Mets owner Fred Wilpon "is expected" to meet with commissioner Bud Selig in New York tomorrow, according to Peter Botte of the New York Daily News.
  • A number of baseball officials tell Joel Sherman of the New York Post that the Wilpons are "delusional" if they expect to sell just part of the franchise without losing operating power.
  • Sherman suggests the success of the upcoming Mets season depends on how well their expensive players produce or how much they bring in July trades.
  • Sherman writes that Mets manager Terry Collins does not appear to have the same 'gravitas' as Bobby Cox, or even Joe Girardi.
  • Carl Crawford's deal does not prevent a team from acquiring the left fielder and flipping him to the Yankees, according to Alex Speier of WEEI.com. Crawford can block trades to two teams thanks to the no-trade protection in his contract.
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  1. John Gyna

    14 years ago

    As a Mets fan, I would love a superstar owner to come in and take over.

    Reply
  2. MofoOne

    14 years ago

    Yes would love for Mark Cuban to buy it.

    Reply
  3. Matt R.

    14 years ago

    …why is it important that Crawford could technically be on the Yankees at some point? Random.

    Reply
    • Lunchbox45

      14 years ago

      you act like Alex Speier has ever said anything relevant

      Reply
      • RedSox31

        14 years ago

        Actually, Speier is one of the more knowledgeable sports writers around.

        Reply
      • Matthew T

        14 years ago

        He wrote three small paragraphs on a rumored clause in Crawford’s contract that turned out to be nonexistant… seeing as how the rumor surfaced recently, and Speier writes for the Red Sox, I’d say that’s perfectly relevant.

        Sorry to pick on you in particular, I just think the trend of trashing sportswriters because it’s the cool thing to do is getting really tiresome.

        Reply
        • Lunchbox45

          14 years ago

          I didn’t think it was cool. I still don’t enjoy his writings and therefore felt I was perfectly in my right to voice my opinion

          Reply
          • Matthew T

            14 years ago

            So then what exactly about this article did you not find relevant?

            Reply
            • Lunchbox45

              14 years ago

              if you re – read my post, you’ll see that I commented on Alex in general. Not particularly this article..

              That being said, trade speculation and contract clauses to figure out if Carl Crawford could one day be a Yankee is a complete waste of time.

              Reply
              • PJaysW

                14 years ago

                yea but i betcha the two teams on his no trade clause are the last two with turf…

                Reply
                • Lunchbox45

                  14 years ago

                  That would make the most sense

                  Reply
              • Matthew T

                14 years ago

                I did read your post, and you said “ever”, which isn’t in general, it’s all-inclusive.

                There wasn’t any speculation in Speier’s article at all, in fact there wasn’t even one opinion about anything in it. I’m not trying to beat this point to death, it just seems unnecessary to bash the guy for writing a harmless article clearing up a misunderstanding about a contract clause.

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                • Lunchbox45

                  14 years ago

                  I accept your apology

                  Reply
          • David

            14 years ago

            amen brother

            Reply
    • Muggi

      14 years ago

      It’s from a rumor of a strange clause in his contract that whatever team he was traded to could not turn and flip him to the Yankees. Apparently the clause does not exist.

      Reply
      • start_wearing_purple

        14 years ago

        I thought it sounded strange, I’d think that any clause that states a third party can’t get involved would be something the MLB would strike down.

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        • East Coast Bias

          14 years ago

          You guys, Crawford’s coming to the Bronx!! Everything we said about him losing his value when his speed declines was just a joke haha you fell for it! I heard a rumor (started by myself) that the Angels are willing to flip him to the Yanks AND take on most of the salary relief. Yankees fans, our offseason is saved, now Cashman can stay yay!!

          Reply
          • Lunchbox45

            14 years ago

            awesome

            Reply
    • Pete

      14 years ago

      I bet one of the teams on his no-trade list is Oakland. The A’s are what the Indians were in the 80s right now, it’s like being punished to go play there. It sure does suck being a fan currently, at least the team is good this year :/

      Reply
  4. bbxxj

    14 years ago

    Though I enjoy seeing misfortune fall on the Mets, I think this forced frugalness on the Mets from the ownership situation will be a good thing long term for the health of their org. Their centerfielder and shortstop could very likely be traded this year and though they are losing bad contracts/players in their closer, ‘left handed starter’, and secondbasemen those positions still need to be filled somehow. Also I guess its in the realm of possibilty that Bay, Wright or Santana could be traded, though its unlikely any go, and need to be replaced. With all of this turnover and limited funds (if the rumormongers are telling the truth) the new front office will be forced to use the farm system and shrewd trades/signings to put a good team on the field. I have a feeling this will be painful for a few years with some bad seasons but if an org can get into the mindset of filling a team with homegrown players and trades first and then spending on free agents to fill only a few holes the team can be healthier in the long run.

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    • MetsEventually

      14 years ago

      Preach it dude. This organizational change (GM and Managers) should have taken place after the 08 collapse. The only hope this organization has is really Reyes and Beltran having excellent season and being traded for top prospects (Not saying a Julio Teheran or a Mike Trout).

      Also, Wright won’t be traded. Bay can’t be moved. Santana could be traded, later…

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      • start_wearing_purple

        14 years ago

        I gotta think if some team makes a serious offer for Wright and the Mets are out of contention then the Mets might take it seriously. Of course, new leadership at GM, it’s not always easy to guess the moves.

        Reply
      • East Coast Bias

        14 years ago

        Beltran, yes. Reyes, I would work on a multi year deal with. You see how rare good shortstops are in the league…

        Reply
        • Lunchbox45

          14 years ago

          Escobar should become available by 2012 too

          Reply
  5. MetsEventually

    14 years ago

    Bill Gates and the Microsoft Mets? Donald Trump and the Mets Towers?

    Reply
    • Encarnacion's Parrot

      14 years ago

      New York Windows Vista’s and New York Apprentices.

      Reply
  6. metsman

    14 years ago

    so the jist of this post is that it’s a forgone conclusion the Mets lose their stars, the Wilpons lose their control of their team, the manager they just hired has no personality or at least an inferior one to the Yankees manager; the Yankees who (despite having a bad offseason) we must still all note can have Carl Crawford if they so choose. So when it’s the Yankees they try and shine a turd, but with the Mets, come one down! pour on the misery, even if it’s substanceless speculation and conjecture, all it has to be is negitive. have a completely arbitrary and pointless personality appraisal of our new manager that favors the Yankee’s? throw that in there for good measure!

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    • TimotheusATL

      14 years ago

      In fairness, there’s not many managers who have ever stepped on the field who have had the gravitas of Bobby Cox.

      Reply
      • zack

        14 years ago

        true, but what is the point of writing an article about it? and joe girardi? please

        Reply
        • TimotheusATL

          14 years ago

          It’s a total puff piece. I assume Sherman’s purpose is to attempt to rile up Mets and Yankees fans alike who read the paper.

          High on words, low on content.

          Reply
          • ellisburks

            14 years ago

            “attempt to rile up Mets and Yankees fans alike who read the paper.”
            Should read as follows: “attempt to rile up Mets and Yankees fans alike who can read the paper.”

            Reply
  7. marvelousmarvin

    14 years ago

    More typical Joel Sherman. Stirring up the muck of what’s already been said and done. Speculating as a means to create his desired outcome.Plenty of companies sell a part of their business every day. Sometimes they get bowled over with an offer for the whole thing. Nothing is a foregone conclusion as Joel Sherman, investment banker, writes.

    If Sherman wants to really see a lack of presence and commanding respect, he has that opportunity every morning when he shaves.

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    • YanksFanSince78

      14 years ago

      Maybe I’m just being contrary today. I see the article as being relevant.

      The Madoff scandal was sensational and effected a great number of wealthy and powerful ppl. Usually it’s the blue collar guy, the retired or the environment that gets screwed by “the man”. In this case it’s the wealthy getting screwed by the wealthier (Madoff).

      Considering the dire state of affairs in the Mets organization and the fact that they have been rather quite this winter it seems there’s a correlation as to what’s happened with this Madoff scandal and the news that they may be forced to give up $1 billion to satisfy the lawsuit.

      To me this has as much relevance as the McCourt divorce proceeding’s or the drama surrounding the Rangers sale earlier this year. It has a stunningly direct effect on how they go about constructing or destructing the Mets team over the next year or two.

      Reply
    • alxn

      14 years ago

      Perhaps you should actually read the article, or at least look up what “speculating” means.

      Reply
  8. jwsox

    14 years ago

    This is screaming mark cuban but so is the dodgers but we all know that bud selig and his boys club will do everything they can to keep cuban out even though him buying a team would be good for baseball..that way its not only the yankees and bosox that get all the top free agents. Besides how many owners are actually loved by their players….cuban is one of the few

    Reply
  9. KyMo

    14 years ago

    if mlk buys mets ill puke it seems its just about being a first black owner then the actual team he has no bussiness even in this.. im pulling for charles wang this guys been getting screwed on long island for years trying to spend money. wang the man for the mets in my eyes..

    Reply
    • YanksFanSince78

      14 years ago

      MLK III probably is a small investor in this group. If anyone bothers to read the articles written about this group it’s clear that Larry Meli and others “deep pockets” exist. MLK III is the name you hear because of his cache. I would doubt he would have anymore influence on the day to day dealings than Usher has with the Cavs, Jay Z has with the Mets or Nelly has with the Bobcats.

      I’m uncomfortable with the tone some of you are taking about this, ESPECIALLY since MLK III has NOT made any indicting statements about race and the MLB. He never said AA or any others were KEPT from being owners. Stop being so sensitive.

      Reply
  10. wickedkevin

    14 years ago

    Excuse me while I make a joke in my head about Martin Luther King having a dream for diversity in MLB ownership.

    Reply
  11. Green_Monster

    14 years ago

    Red Sox and Yankees trading with each other? That’s crazy, especially when its involving Crawford

    Reply
    • Alex Ettinger

      14 years ago

      i remember that CRAZY trade where the Sox sent Sparky Lyle to the Yanks for Danny Cater. hope they get crazy again!

      Reply
    • YanksFanSince78

      14 years ago

      The alleged clause was more about scenatios where the Sox traded CC to another team and that team wanted to trade CC to the Yanks. The alleged clause would’ve been able to prevent that.

      Reply
  12. rfffr

    14 years ago

    Does anyone else find it sad that Kuroda got more than Pavano did?

    Reply
  13. MadmanTX

    14 years ago

    Since the Yankees are such big spenders, let’s see them open their bank vaults a little more for Andy. Make em give up 5 yrs/90 mil or one year at 20 mil.

    Reply
  14. NYC10022

    14 years ago

    The Yankees have been good to Pettitte. He’s made a lot of money and won a lot of games and they stood by him during his PED admission. He did pitch well last year, but he is 39 and broke down last year. 1 year at $12 or $13 million (pro-rated) is a fair deal.

    Reply
  15. YanksFanSince78

    14 years ago

    The NBA is predominantly black. The NHL is predominantly non-black, non-hispanic and non-asian. I have zero problem making those statements. They are such because those sports have historically appealed to those races, thus making those races the most talented group for that sport. The moment kids in Harlem take to hockey at an early age, start playing it on the HS/college levels and show an above average ability to play the sport then those numbers will gradually change. All leagues are concerned more with the ability and talent level of player “A” than they are about race.

    That being said, the NBA is predominatly black because the most talented players tend to be black. It wasn’t that way 30-40 years ago because the NBA didn’t integrate until 1950 and even then players trickled in slowly. Add to the fact that until a court ruling in 1971 vs the NBA, all NBA draftees had to finish 4 year of college eligibility before being eligible for the NBA draft coupled with the fact that there weren’t a lot of African Americans attending Division I schools then you have your reasons as to why there weren’t a lot of AA’s in the NBA prior to the 70’s.

    The NBA is becoming more international because the game has become more popular around the world. As time progresses, the % of blacks vs non-blacks will change accordingly. No one is blocking anyone from playing. As long as you have the talent then a team will find a place for you. Right now there’s probably a kid in Siberia who has a poster of Kevin Durant on his wall and he dreams of being the 1st kid native of Siberia to play for Mikhail Prokhorov.

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  16. Victor Kipp

    14 years ago

    As if the Red Sox are going to trade Crawford anytime soon. Besides that fact his contract is so large that only 2 other teams could afford him on their own anyway. He hasn’t even played a game for the Sox yet. I think if the Red Sox were at some conclusion to trade him it would because he was so bad a player at that point they wouldn’t care where he went, but that is unlikely as well.

    Reply
  17. YanksFanSince78

    14 years ago

    Rule #101: If you lose an arguement…deflect…deflect…deflect!!!

    Reply

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