2:39pm: ESPN's Buster Olney tweets that the Yankees would have signed Pavano only if they were able to work out a sign-and-trade that would have saved their first round draft pick. Pavano is a Type A free agent and would have required such compensation.
11:58am: Pavano seriously considered returning to the Yankees, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. The Yankees explored a one-year, high-salary deal with Pavano before the Twins offered a second year.
10:43am: The Yankees paid Carl Pavano $39.95MM from 2005-08 and got 26 total appearances from the right-hander, who made annual trips to the 60-day DL. But Pavano's first stint in New York didn't stop the team from considering him this offseason. GM Brian Cashman told reporters, including Peter Botte of the New York Daily News, that the club had "several discussions" with agent Tom O'Connell, who represents the 35-year-old (Twitter link).
Pavano, who is 'very close' to a deal with the Twins, has rebounded from his four seasons in the Bronx. He has a 4.39 ERA with 5.7 K/9 and 1.6 BB/9 in 420 1/3 innings since the beginning of the 2009 campaign.
Shows just how screwed Cashman knows the Yanks are at SP this year.
Although he may have had a negative past in the Bronx the fact that Cashman (and Co.) would consider Pavano shows he’s putting his team’s need before any grudges or residual ill-feeling. Considering the scarcity of pitching on the market now it was the right thing to do — regardless of whether they actually decided to go after him or not.
Agreed. It’s funny because of their past, but in my opinion Pavano was the second best SP on the market this year. It’s not exactly nuts for them to go after him if you ignore the past.
It’s not exactly nuts for them to go after him if you ignore the past.
Well, exactly. Doubtless most Yanks fans can’t forgive what Pavano did, and that’s understandable. However his subsequent performance in the AL Central did do a lot to put his time w’ the Yanks firmly in the past, and into a different perspective — for those who are willing to look, like Cashman. If the greedy (and sometimes desperate) world of sports is willing to make it convenient for folks like Michael Vick to come back and have all be forgiven, I can’t see why it wouldn’t be a possibility at least, for Pavano to go back to da Bronx….but don’t get me wrong….I’m not suggesting it! 😀
Yep – we saw how that ignoring history stuff worked out with Javy Vazquez, didn’t we?
I was not making a recommendation that the Yanks sign Pavano…or not. Instead I was simply pointing out that regardless of what did or did not work out with this player or that, in some cases it can be unwise to ignore what happened in the past, just as in other cases it can be foolish to dwell on it. A wise GM – or any person for that matter – judges each situation on a case by case basis — according to the particular set of facts — and learns not to burn bridges….just in case. The fact that Cashman seems to recognize this is a good thing.
As George W. Bush once so eloquently said: “Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”
HAHA, first thing that came to my mind.
They were just going to sign him to get him to shave his stache
He could have still rocked the stache, just no beards and crazy long hair
There would have been a no stache clause in his contract
I’ve never understood why this policy exists. To me, it’s extremely stupid.
makes me think of the IBM dress code in the 50s, blue suits, nicely trimmed hair, brown suitcase
Isn’t it a throwback to older traditions? Or was it a Steinbrenner thing?
Thank God the TWINKIES are STUCK with Carl “I Love the D.L.” Pavano for the Next 2 years……hope he sinks his Fishing Boat in the middle of Lake Minnetonka and the Catfish Feed on him!!
Remember the stache Giambi sported during his resurgent year in the Bronx…maybe there’s something to it
That would have been the most ridiclous signing ever by the Yanks.
With the Yankee’s payroll, isn’t it safe to assume that they can and do consider EVERYBODY?
Cashman came out to scout me at my beer league game last week.
You’re in a beer league that plays in early January?
Sign me up!
its a hockey beer league.. but Cashman was still there.
For a split second, I thought it said “Yankees To Sign Carl Pavano” and then I blinked and was relieved.
I kind of thought the same thing. I read “Yankees ConsiderING Carl Pavano.” Like they were looking into him right now, though the reports are the Twins are very close. I was like, huh!?
If they looked at his numbers and he was anyone but Carl Pavano, the Yankees would have signed him already. However, they didn’t have a very good relationship and it would be too hard to bring him back. Maybe a one year deal but I don’t see the fans having any patience with him and he burned them very badly.
You gotta think Pavano himself likely didn’t want to return, either.
He did considered going back on a 1 year deal, but the Twins offered him 2.
He would hit the DL before spring training…
He would hit the DL before they introduced him.
He’d develop carpal tunnel syndrome just signing the contract.
Nah dude that would never happen — because he would crash his motorcycle in a high speed accident on the way to the signing.
Injure his eye the night before by “sleeping on it wrong”
Sleep injuries happen to him. I think he hurt his neck while sleeping a time or two during the season. He pitched through it though.
He would of would of hit the DL while they introduced him. At end of the press conference Cashman would announce that they are placing him on the 60 day DL for having a minor headache.
Is Cashman is also working on an long term deal for Kei Igawa too?
Why not give Kenny Rogers a call while you’re at it, Brian?
Yeah, he could play country music while Pavano pitches!
Kenny looked good in the LDS in 2006.
WOOHOO new Pavano thread! (you kind of reached on this one though Ben)
Personally, I think he made it just for you. Your wish was granted!
He brought back Vazquez and Nick Johnson. Stupider perhaps not, but the same kind of move.
They can sign every SP left out their and the ones that don’t make the Roster can be Trade.
Hopefully Pavano posts in this thread now and see what he feels. Don’t know if it’s true, but someone mentioned that is really Pavano.
East Coast Bias
Adam Sandler, a Yankee fan, to Brian Cashman: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, THEY’RE ALL GONNA LAUGH AT YOU!!!
This story was laughable. Thanks for cheering me up.
Carl, please go back to Minnesota, so we can Possibly beat you in the playoffs for the 3rd straight year if we meet again.
I am a yankee fan and i would not go to a game that he would pitch for the yankees. It would be a disgrace to see him in a yankee uniform again. He is the type of pitcher you spit and curse at.
Yeah but apparently so is Cliff Lee….well, his wife anyway….
there is a difference cliff lee was never a yankee, but pavano was, and we wasted are time and money.BTW it was cliff lee’s WIFE and not him himself.
he said it was his wife…
“there is a difference cliff lee was never a yankee,”
Yeah, I get that. However my point was really meant to be more ironic than anything; i.e.: Yanks going after Lee after incident where his wife was spit at….
Anyway, where did I NOT say that it was Cliff Lee’s wife?
Cliff Lee’s wife over hyped that whole thing.
Blame the media…and the Yanks fan who gave them “all the spit that’s fit to print!”
You sound proud as a Yankee fan that that happened. And it’s “our” not are
1. You don’t use real money. Pavano’s contract had zero impact on your team.
2. Are you suggesting that it’s OK to spit on Lee’s wife?
i think we found the guy that spit on lee’s wife!!
Maybe, maybe not, but there appears to be no shortage of spittle spewing forth from him.
That is hilarious.
If you can’t beat em (in the playoffs), join em. If you can make free money by doing nothing, join em.
The amazingly charismatic Ol Dirty B@st@rd (ODB to his friends) once caught g0norrhea from the same girl……twice. Lesson learned…..some pll are best left alone the 2nd time around.
Don’t be silly. They’ll check Pavano for gonorrhea and cooties and everything else during his physical!
Ha ha! Naah….just Yank-ing your chain. It’s a slow day around here. 😉
Interesting. I think Cashman saved himself here. Yankee fans were lighting the tourches.
I’d almost rather consider Carl Winslow than Carl Pavano. After all, he’s on the cover of Call Of Duty: Black Cops
No that’s not a misspelling, I put Cops. Go on Google, search Call Of Duty Black Cops, one of the funniest pictures you’ll see.
Jokes aside, I really don’t think getting Pavano is a good move.
Carl Pavano doesn’t think Carl Pavano is a good move.
thats a w freakin e awesome , carl winslow we miss you , even when you were the cop in die hard
If Winslow was in NY during Pavano’s tenure, he’d arrest Pavano for stealing $40 million! lol
It’s actually “Carl” of Duty: Black Cops
Yeah I know, but you could Google either one and the pic will come up anyway, haha. That’s still hilarious.
I’ve seen some that say Carl and some say Call.
Yeah, it’s all the same
And to think that just last week my friends you are Yankee fans were attacking me for saying how bad a GM Cashman, now this comes out. HAAHAHA “Vindicated”
Well he’s going to go somewhere. Most likely the Twins. Does that make the Twins GM a bad GM if they get Pavano?
you must not know the history of pavano and the yankees if youre asking that question.
you must not know the point I was making if you’re response is a serious one.
twins gm wouldnt be bad because pavano actually played good for the twins. Cashman would be terrible because pavano couldnt even get healthy for them so why bring him back. I got your point.
So it’s Cashman’s fault that Pavano was hurt? And Smith is smart because Pavano stayed healthy? Ahh I got ya
Guess Ricciardi was stupid for getting Burnett, but Cashman was smart right?
nope in that situation both GM’s were dumb.
So I guess you agree with Tiger and are saying a GM’s intelligence comes with how many games a player plays and misses?
He’s saying Smith is smart for getting Pavano. If Mauer gets injured in his 8 year/$180 million extension, he will suddenly become an idiot?
wow. That was a lot comments based off my vindication comment. It would be a great deal for the Yankees if Pavano paid them to play.
Thats not what i was saying. Cashman would be dumb for trying to resign him after his horrible four years. The Twins GM isnt dumb because Pavano hasnt showed any health concerns while in a Twins uniform. If he had missed a portion of the season and they resigned him for two years then yes he would be dumb. Why bring back someone who was a cancer to the team?
So basically tiger, you’re saying the chances of Pavano getting injured if he goes to NY are higher than the chances of him getting injured if he goes to Minnesota? You can’t call one dumb and the other not dumb, regardless of who gets him. Assuming they offered an even price. 1 year/$5 mil, 2 year/$10 mil, etc.
He means, why sign the guy if he was hated in the clubhouse, and had a history of hiding injures and hiding accidents that caused an injury. Now if the Twins GM signs him, that would be a good signing because he showed he can stay healthy and he showed he can pitch pretty well! It’s sort of two different perspectives, look at the history of him on the Yankees and look at the history of him on the Twins.
Ok but let’s see what happens in 2011. Right now I wouldn’t call either of them stupid
thank you for clearing that up. It isnt about him being injured, it was about the histories with both the clubs. Why sign someone who screwed you the first time.
He’s a bad GM though he didn’t pull the trigger.
On many a lonely night after many, many beers I’ve been faced w/ some tough choices at my favorite bars. Luckily, I didn’t bring home any dueces I mistook for dimes. Does that make me a bad person too?
if cant get yourself a 10 , you can always get 5, 2’s
He must have a lot of coin if he can afford to feed 5 2’s
You actually feed em?
They’re 2’s… they’re always hungry
A cup of coffee and a bus transfer ticket. 2’s need love too man.
He’ll injure his arm signing the contract.
I think he injured his head on the ceiling after he jumped with joy when his agent told him the Yankees are “interested” in bringing him back.
Should have been a “?” after “…pull the trigger”.
i guess the bottocks injury sustained by carl pavano isnt fodder for this web site but, come on they couldnt be seriously considering this guy again.
Hey Cashman, I heard Oil Can Boyd is looking to come back to the MLB.
I heard Yogi was.
I heard Clemens was.
After Steinbrenner died, the Spaceman Bill Lee said “Trust me, if hell freezes over, he’ll be skating”.
Enjoy skating, Georgy boy.
In theory, Carl Pavano could cement his name in Yankee history. The guy basically screws the Yankees out of $40 million in his stint there plagued by a lot of what seemed to be self induced problems. So he comes back after resurrecting his career, when the Yankees need him most with Pettitte retiring and Cliff Lee going to the Phillies, has a brilliant season, and helps the Yankees win a World Series. Not gonna happen, but I’m sure Carl gave it some thought. Anyway, as a Yankee fan I feel like he should sign a league minimum contract and play for the Yanks, to make up for the money he got for doing basically nothing.
Scheister of Doom
This made me laugh, the sad part about it is I actually believe that a phone call was made. Why oh why?!? We all saw how the second tenure in pinstripes worked out for N. Johnson and Javy Vasquez, hopefully their less than stellar seasons last year added together with the fact Pavano pretty much got paid for doing worse than Mitre is pathetic and this phone call reeks desperation. I love my Yanks but this is awful to have even considered.
In case it hasn’t been said, “HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!”
There’s an article on ESPN about how Cash was opposed to the Soriano deal because it made no sense to give that much money to a set up man. When you add he has the right to walk away for a better deal and there seems to be no other suitor, it is a sweetheart deal. Anyway, you gotta wonder how much control Cash really has now.
He thought that when he finally got a chance to control the team as a 3 years ago, he was finally in position to make a name for himself on his own and would actually have a real job.
Hank and Hal have the blood of their father running in their veins, so Cash thought wrong.
Articles said it was actually Randy Levine who wanted and pushed for Soriano. However, it wouldn’t shock me to see Hank become a problem too.
Wouldn’t surprise me if this was considered to be a move made by Hank Steinbrenner.
This just highlights Cashman’s desperation.
Which explains 90% of the reason they signed an 8th inning guy to $10M…
Well all news points to Cash not being involved in the Soriano deal. I think he’s been demoted again to “errand boy.”
Why exactly is Carl Pavano so vilified by Yankees fans? Was he faking injuries? I probably don’t know enough about a situation. Paying a player lot of money and then hating him for being hurt seems like a lot of misplaced blame. Was Pavano supposed to throw injured? Or give money back for being hurt?
He should have walked in to the stands, every game and given out 20 dollar bills to all the men and mustache rides for all the woman.
Even if Pavano were to pay his entire 2011 salary directly to the Yankees, which is probably going to be 10 MM (about 1/4 of the money he was paid while in pinstripes), Yankee fans would never forgive Pavano nor forget either
Actually no. The reason we Yankee fans hate Pavano is because when he was hurt, he hid the injury and never told anyone about the accident he was in and just went out there to pitch. Wouldnt you be mad at a pitcher on your team hiding an injury and pitching awful whenever he goes out there to pitch?!?
This is much more than being vilified by just Yankee fans. The name “Carl the American Idle” actually started in the Yankee club house. Just to make you remember what some of his teammates thought about Pavano’s time with the team.
I knew “plan B is patience” was a smokescreen.
Pavano was plan B all along!
Out of all the players that the Yankees have outbid the Red Sox for, Pavano was the best (for the Sox).
If I remember correctly, didn’t the Red Sox offer Pavano more money than the Yankees did?
You, sir, are correct. According to Wikipedia, he received bigger offers from both the Reds and Red Sox. And chose to take his talents to the Yankees DL instead.
Scheister of Doom
He was paid roughly 40 mil for 4 years of service, a third of his pro career.
He averaged 36.25 innings PER YEAR and 2.25 wins per season in 145 innings and 9 total wins with each win costing 4.45 million dollars.
He pitched over 200 innings two years in a row BEFORE coming to NY and he has pitched roughly 200 innings two years after NY. History repeats itself!
So if you’d like to go after a guy who gave you 2.25 wins and 36.25 innings per season. Pavano is your guy. Why Cash why did you offer this crumb bumb a deal!?!
I can’t believe they even considered signing him after last time.
I wonder who the other team would’ve been…
Sign and trade LOL…
“Hey Bill – Cash here. Yeah good. Yup, she’s fine, how’s Becky? Great, great. Listen, I know we’ve curb-stomped you guys in the playoffs since, well, forever…but I was wondering if you could do us a favor…”
That would have been some funny stuff!
Personally, I would have welcomed him back. He’s proven he can pitch. Things didn’t work out the first time, and he was plagued by injury, although everyone thought he was overstating his injuries. Maybe he was. But I think overstating an injury, for a pitcher, can be better than understating one, the way Clemens always used to do. Clemens wanted the ball so badly (so he could compile more stats) and when he was hurting it would hurt the team’s chances of a win. In case some people don’t realize it, baseball is a team sport. It’s NOT heroic for a pitcher to pitch when his skills are compromised. I’m not saying Pavano was trying as hard as he could have…only he knows that. But he’s done fairly well since leaving us. I’d give him another shot. Cashman doesn’t know what he’s doing in terms of pitching, but that’s not the point here.
Hold on…” ESPN’s Buster Olney tweets that the Yankees would have signed Pavano only if they were able to work out a sign-and-trade that would have saved their first round draft pick.”
Isn’t Soriano a Type A? So…haven’t they already lost their first round draft pick or am I missing something here…
What bothers me is that the chance of Pavano producing for the Yankees is no greater than Brandon Webb or Rich Harden producing. Why consider a move that could blow up severely when there are other moves with the same amount of risk with a much larger upside?
So Cashman believe Greinke does not have the makeup for New York and makes this assumption without having anything more than speculation to base it on yet he considers bringing back a guy who has proven that he cannot handle New York, is disliked by many of the current players from his last stay there and would be chewed up by the fans and media. Hopefully the Soriano signing signals the Steinbrenners are getting sick of him and he is getting to the end of his tenure.
The Yankee’s are going to be reduced to aggressively pursuing 50 year old Jamie Moyer fresh off surgery at this rate.