Michael Young wants out of Texas and, despite the $48MM remaining on his contract, some of the Rangers' rivals are interested. The Phillies inquired on Young and though the Angels, Dodgers and Yankees appear to have little interest in the 34-year-old, other clubs could become involved. Here's the latest on Young, with the most recent updates up top:
- Renck hears that the Rangers want more than they did six weeks ago, but the Rockies are not inclined to change their offer (Twitter link).
- The Rockies thought they had a deal in place with the Rangers for Young about six weeks ago, writes Renck. The Rockies would have given up a pair of solid prospects and were to take on about $20MM of Young's contract. But then the Rangers missed out on free agent DH targets and at this time want more from the Rockies.
- Rangers GM Jon Daniels told Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News that "nobody looks good right now" for a Young trade. Daniels suggested that "if a deal is going to happen, it's probably going to happen" before Rangers position players report to Spring Training in nine days, though he does not consider February 19th a deadline. He also told Grant the Rangers are not pursuing free agents to replace Young.
- The Dodgers and Rangers had serious discussions about Young, but the sides didn't get close to a deal, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. One source told the FOX writers the Dodgers wanted the Rangers to assume "as much as" $36MM of the $48MM owed to Young.
- The Rangers and Rockies both know the deal they want and seem to be waiting for the other club to blink, according to ESPN.com's Buster Olney (on Twitter).
- The Rangers don't expect to be able to move Young, according to Jeff Wilson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram (Twitter link). Teams have inquired, but there's no apparent fit.
- Troy Renck of the Denver Post has been told multiple times that the Rockies are out unless the Rangers approach them again (Twitter link).
- Angels GM Tony Reagins told Bill Shaikin of the LA Times that he's "not engaged" with another AL West team in trade talks (Twitter link). It doesn't sound like Young should pack his bags for Anaheim.
- We heard Tuesday that the Rockies were out on Young, but they may still be interested in him. The Rockies haven't heard they're out of the bidding, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (on Twitter). The Rangers asked the Rockies for a "very good player" in exchange for Young and the sides are apart on money.
C’mon man. You are a lifetime Ranger. Finish your career there, cash your ginormous checks and fade into the sunset. Be a man.
Relax, I don’t think he is going anywhere… for now at least. The Rangers have until May to come a very long way down in what they expect to get for Young or his 10/5 rights kick in and he is not going anywhere unless they release him.
Those 10/5 rights kick in in May…so it will be interesting to see what happens between now and then. The Rangers are young in many ways, literally their roster is young, the GM is among the youngest, and the ownership group just got off “welfare.” We will know a lot more about this team and the GM in the next few months.
Im assuming he wants to be a ranger for life but hes being treated like trash. He is not a DH at this point in his life.
Yep, moving from 2nd, to SS, to 3rd, to DH, in the course of about 7 years would be pretty annoying…
Hard to be a man when you’re being bent over by your teams front office. MY is a good fit for the Rockies.
Welll i was Young i would uhhhhhhhhhhhh…??? I dunnoo what to do. Do i stay in texas? O rdo i leave my wife???? WHAT DO I DO? Do i forgive the texas fans and the rangers for being buttholes. What do i do?WHAT DO I DO? I mean there is nutin to do. I probaly go sit on the toliet and try to make sense of this situation? I mean like what the hell man grow up child, grow up and put some big man pants on. Put them on and stop thinking of the past. Take them off and wiggle your junk and relish the moment in which you are a ranger. WIGGLE THAT JUNK FOOL! COME ON YOUNG WIGGLE IT ALL AROUND AND MAKE SURE U HAVE YOUR BIGBOY PANTS ON. And make some children so u got some boys to play catch with. WIGGLE YOUR JUNK FOOL
Josh Beckett for Michael Young?? Works for both teams. Pitching upgrade for Texas… Shortstop upgrade for Boston. Scutaro a nice piece off the bench at $6M per.
Texas would jump at that deal. But I wouldn’t count on it happening, at least for the next 100 million years.
I’d rather have Scuttaro sitting on the bench as a reserve for Lowrie and backing up SS/2B and playing his mediocre defense at 6m than Young doing the same.
Boston has no need for a lousy defensive SS and he SURE ain’t going to play 1B/3B/2B/DH for Boston.
Lousy defense at short………..he won the gold glove at short just a few years ago. They don’t normally give that to lousy defensive players
Whe managers get involved in voting it becomes a popularity contest.. Jeter this past season comes to mind and he has no range, as does Young proving that no longer has any range point moot.
Still.. You don’t swap mediocrity at 6m and 1 year plus a pitcher who still has potential for top of the rotation (31 YO) for a 34+ corner IF with declining defensive skills and has a bat that would play in only 2-3 stadiums in the game, with Boston (one of those stadiums, granted) having any of those positions (1B,3B,DH) covered by players better and a GG calibur top prospect 1 season away, with Jed Lowrie also on the team as it is that has power and plays mediocre defense and costing league minimum..
Epstein is not one of Minaya/Sabean mold that makes deals where he trades hard to find top of the rotation talent for someone else’s 48m surplus parts.
so you’re saying there’s a chance
How is that a shortstop upgrade for Boston?
The fact that you even said that makes me question not only your baseball knowledge, but your sanity as well.
Uh…Michael Young can no longer play short stop bro. His range is horrible at 3rd. Beckett had 1 bad year and you wanna trade him for a corner infielder/DH straight up? Come on man…really?
Seriously? Young is NOT an upgrade over either Scutaro or Lowrie. Young had an OPS+ of 92 outside of Arlington last year, on the wrong side of 30, and terrible defense. People are down on Beckett, but there is no such thing as too much pitching. 2 years ago, he was considered the ace of the Sox rotation. Give the man a chance!
They’re not getting a potential ace back for Young. Maybe three or four years ago, but not now. If they’re counting on getting a starting pitcher back, Joe Blanton’s about the level they’re looking at. Young won’t approve a deal to Philly now because he’s looking at a similar super-utility/new-position situation there, but if this thing keeps getting uglier, he may end up accepting any deal just to get out of Texas.
if young could show he can play in right or left he would actually not be a bad piece for the phiilies to have for blanton straight up
Philly would want to deal Ibanez as well, IMO, and even then, the payroll constraints would be tight.
young would be an upgrade at the plate but in the field scutaro has him beat even though his skills are declining faster than cisco now
i can’t even begin to say how badly that doesn’t work for the Red Sox. Even IF Young is an upgrade over Lowrie or Scutaro, taking on $48M over the next 3 years is just insane. For that money, they could’ve kept Martinez! And plus, they have Iglesias possibly coming up in 2012…where would Young go then? DH? He would be an expensive DH.
And Beckett had one bad year….don’t give up on his so quickly!
Alfonso Soriano for Michael Young? Fonzy can take that LF / DH role in his return to Texas, and Young can play 2B this year and possibly move to 3B if Ramirez leaves after 2011. Both players are the same age, similar salary, and Soriano has one extra year on his contract.
That’s actually not that bad of an idea. I really think Texas would like to shed more of his contract, but hey, if they get lousy offers from everyone else and the Cubs offer Soriano back I could see that happening. A change of scenery might do each player good.
Yeah, it kind of makes sense for both teams. The Cubs traded away their potential 2B of the future in Lee and have a lot of depth in the outfield waiting for a spot to play. With Soriano gone, Colvin would have a permanent spot and after 2011 Jackson would have a spot. For Texas they have a guy that would probably love to come back and wouldn’t have a problem DHing (I am not sure on Soriano’s stance for that). The Cubs would probably need to kick in cash to make up for that extra year, but freeing up that year should be enticing to the Cubs!
agreed its actually a decent move for both teams, moving soriano to DH and back to texas in that hitters mecca is a smart move. Young to the NL where he can play 2nd and move to 3rd after aram leaves(youngs D is no where near as back as arams) its a smart move for both teams. I wonder if the money works though, like you said the cubs would probably have to kick some money for the extra year though…but its a good move for both teams…the cubs get a solid fielder(not great but not horrible) and a guy that hits for a good average to bat 2nd(castro leading off) and the rangers get a power right hander who can run a little and play left in a pinch
As a Cubs fan I like the deal. Not sure the Rangers would be getting a fair deal unless the Cubs picked up some money. They would also need to get Soriano to wave his no trade clause, which coould be done by cutting his playing time if he stays in Chicago. Personally I would continue to leave Young at 2nd once Aramis is gone for the simple fact Vitters has been groomed for third for a while now. I think Soriano would help Texas in their quest for a guy that can provide more pop since they lost out on Thome and Vlad is gone. Soriano would be a better lower half power guy that might hit 30 homers and strike out 130 times
this doesn’t work for two reasons:
1- Soriano has a full no trade clause
2- the Rangers want to shed payroll, and Soriano is owed more money and has one more year left on his contract than Young. the cubs payroll is maxed and I really don’t think they could send any money with soriano
Young, and cash to the Twins for pitching prospects.
Minnesota needs a shortstop and another right handed bat in the line up.
if they need a shortstop why would they trade for young?
Because he’s a much better option than Casilla.
its the equivalent of going from a D minus to a D.
Dear heavens.
Young is still a solid player (even at short) and will definitely be an upgrade over Scutaro. Im a blue jay fan so Ive seen him enough. Anyone who thinks Scutaro is better than Young is out to lunch. Young would look very nice in that Boston lineup. People are undervaluing Young because he wants out. He’s only 34. Come on people. Texas will still prob get a nice return. 3 yr/48 vs 4/68. Beckett is a little younger but has back problems. So this is a win for both sides.
i would think the bosox would be more willing to trade lackey than becket due to age, contract size(moving lackey even taking on young clears up a ton of money to throw at Agon) and lets be honest lackey isnt that good…yes he is a good pitcher im not taking anything away but looking at his number he is not an ace or anything close to it
Why do they keep mentioning the Yankees? While I realize that they are one of the few teams that could handle his salary, where would we put him? He’d have even less of a chance to get playing time then in Texas…
Yanks the yanks will take him and eat abou 9 million a yr and then trade him to say the white Sox for Jackson or the dodgers for one of there starting 6 pitchers. Young at 7-8 million looks pretty good
“Yanks the yanks”? Are you calling him Yanks or stuttering or is this just a strange typo/mishap?
his fingers have turrets
Those must be useful for defending his castle from sieges.
HA. you know I’ve been playing too much call of duty when….
WTF do you think? Im half way awake trying to do about 58 things at once. It was suppose to say because the yanks
Sorry, sorry…I sometimes mistype ‘Yanks’ with ‘because’ too.
I sure as well hope the managers/coaches mistype Derek Jeter with Gold Glove
*supposed
I kind of love how Young felt all disrespected hearing about all the trade rumors and how he felt the Rangers didn’t really want him – and now, after demanding a trade he gets to hear all the trade rumors about how every other team doesn’t really want him either.
Check out Michael Young’s stats. See those little GG’s beside the year’s stats. That stands for Gold Glove. At Short and Third. Ya, you’re right, he’s terrible defensively. Ok now I can just wait for you to compare this to Derek Jeter’s defensive ability. Gold gloves are related to hitting, which is stupid but still very solid defensively. I would guarantee Young can still play short and an upgrade over Scutaro. The only reason he has been moving positions is because Texas has brought in elite defenders at his positions. Boston has loads of pitching depth and can afford to part with a fragile Beckett. I love Beckett but the guy is breaking down.
please… just stop talking..
Look at Derek Jeter’s stats. Look at all those Gold Gloves..
Gold glove is a joke. Players get theirs for their hitting and allstar status instead of their range. Jeter won and there was 5 or 6 SS in the AL much better than him. Texeria won at first and Daric Barton had the best range in baseball at first. So don’t quote gold glove they are popular contest not true range.
Rafael Palmeiro won his GG for playing at 1B for 28 games. It’s a joke.
I’ve noticed that people are echoing me instantly. Pretty funny stuff.
Least we forget Palmeiro and his 28 game at 1st base Gold Glove. Yeah, its a worthless award.
Carlos Gonzalez won a Gold Glove is another example. I was happy to see him win it and all and the guy is a solid OF’er but there are numerous guys out there who had a better fielding year and this is coming from a Rox fan…..yeahhh Gold Glove is a joke period.
umm… I see one “GG’ and that was 3 years ago at shortstop, not third. If Young is such a great 3rd baseman why did the Rangers just spend $96M to get another one?
I wonder who the very good player was. Fowler? Stewart? Chacin?
My guess would be Fowler….he had been linked a few times. The Rox have said Chacin is untouchable right now and Stewart would not be a fit with Beltre @ 3B and i couldnt see him being a full time DH at the age of 25.
Oops, I thought he had a Gold glove at 3rd. my bad
Oh he’s got a gold glove alright, just not at 3b and not lately. By the way, he also hit over .400** and is dating the head cheerleader**.
** in high school
I don’t think 25 games at DH in a 10 year career counts as a /DH anything.
Carlos Quentin for Michael Young. Texas gets there DH player that can potentially become the starting RF if Borbon gets injured / doesn’t produce. Chicago gets a #2 Hitter. Beckham is penciled in there but I’d rather have him hitting lower in the order. We all saw how he fell on his face in the 2 Hole last year. Chicago then “experiments” with De Aza in RF. At this point he is less risky than Morel at 3B. Fact of the matter there is if either of them fail Mark Tehan is getting an everyday position. De Aza is a better fit in the offense to begin with. He’s a speedy, bottom of the order (9th in this case) that can turn the lineup over to Pierre and essentially setting Young up for RBI situations.
Morel only being 23 allows Young to move on after his contract and Morel steps in. Why not develop him a little more.
As a Sox fan, you have to hope Morel is ready before Young moves on.
Young still has 3 more years left on his deal, but he would be a perfect #2 hitter for the Sox.
Most of the Sox fans in my area think Brent Morel is the next coming of Brooks Robinson and Mike Schmidt all rolled into one. It’s nice to hear a little more guarded optimism.
Morel is 23 year old. If he develops correctly in the minors until Young’s contract is up He will step in to the majors as a 26 year old. 26!! That is still a kid on some levels. I love the term “Guarded Optimism” for describing how I feel about Morel right now. It’s the same take I have on majority of prospects.
Young to the Mets for Santanna and Beltran. Mets must move $.
ha!
They need to move money so they pick up a dead weight for 46 million?
good strategy
How much is Santana owed? Like 80 million?
Young for Bradley.
Cooper?
I meant Milton..
but cooper would work too, can he pitch?
He can act like he can.
Kinda like AJ Burnette??
Hayyyoooooo
Bradley Cooper is to acting as AJ Burnett is to _____________
Not getting black eyes.
Who is Milton Cooper? Sounds like an accountant.
Milton Bradley sir
I know. But now I can’t get the name Milton Cooper out of my head.
Bradley Cooper, he’s an actor. Hence the “He can act like he can.”
Michael Young for Jon Lester straight. Win-win for both teams easily.
Michael Young for Adrian Gonzalez plus cash.
I swear, Dave Bean on this thread is Young’s agent. Never seen such optimism about him.
Is Dave Bean the same person (or related to) that Tyler guy that was trolling on the Young posts a few days ago?
I have a question in general for anyone. If a team includes cash in a trade like the Rangers would be in a MY deal, is that spread out over the length of the contract and count against the team’s budget every year? Or would the cash be included as one lump sum at the time of the trade, w/ the player’s contract essentially coming off the team’s books for good?
Seems like it would make a big difference in the trade talks
I’m fairly certain its paid in a lump some at the time of the trade..
Why is most fans of any perticular team trying to dump their garbage over paid players on the rangers for young.
News flash …………..Texas is not desperate……………despite youngs demands he is still under contract and will be playing in some capacity for them if nothing sugnificant comes along.
lets see whats proposed so far
milton bradley for young……………thats actually funny so ya get a pass
alfonso soriano for young…………..not that bad of a offer except for the extra year
beckett for young………………beckett is on the decline and was also overpaid
carlos quintin for young………….thats just rediculous and pass what your smoking around the class
scutaro for young……………..well atleast texas will save some money but dream on
dave bean please read watch and learn about baseball before you post here these guys can eat you alive for saying dumb stuff
with all of that said they will barbeque me no so go on with it
Here is the problem gunsascar. Once the press finds out a player wants to be traded his value goes way down. No GM is going to pay anything for him unless it is close to playoff time and they need that extra batter. Second his contract is a bad contract in that he is over paid so of course offers will be over paid players coming back. what most likely will happen is that MY will not get traded because Daniels over values what he will get in return.
did someone really say carlos quentin for young? carlos who is only making like 5 mill this season and might even be non tendered next season for Michael who makes what 48 for the next few years? and why would the sox do this when they have 2nd and ss locked up and a very good young CHEAP prospect who is probably better defensively at 3rd the young in brent morell?
haha yea its crazy. the jays fans had to put up with that when halladay was on the block. Its just a fantasy that people want the best of both worlds
Michael Young for Barry Bonds, I can see this being fair for both teams. Michael Young won’t have to do anything anymore except wave and smile and Barry Bonds gets to sit in a dugout and wave and smile. I like this for both teams.
so Bond to Texas, Young to retirement?
Sounds perfect to me.
Michael Young is making a huge mistake. Making the money he is making, he needs to shut his mouth and play. And if he thinks a trade is gonna help he’s again mistaken. If he gets traded then what? He isn’t gonna go to a samll market club the Rangers are gonna get back what they can for him and paying more than half of what he is owed isn’t in the cards (A-Rod). And if he goes to a big market club like the Yanks or BoSox he is gonna be in the same situatuion he is in in Texas a super utility who gets most of his starts at DH and he will never start over Posada or Big Papi.
He’s shut his mouth and played his whole career. Cut him slack, think rationally and realize it was the Rangers that mistreated him, not Michael Young who mistreated the Rangers.
no…every single time he has been told to switch postions because some one better was coming in or coming up he has said something about it…its the same old act with him. He was treated like the franchise player for a while untill arod came in then arod left and young if the franchise guy again now hamilton and kinsler and beltre are there and they are the franchise guys and people are starting to realize there was no reason to treat him like the “franchise” guy when he isnt he is a solid players not great not bad
It would be much much easier for the Rangers to move Kinsler, and I am a little surprised that his name hasn’t come up yet. While Kinsler is clearly the better defensive 2B, Young is more consistent offensively and doesn’t have the dramatically different LHP/RHP splits that Kinsler does. Kinsler is guaranteed $6M and $7M in the next 2 seasons with a $10M team option for 2013, so he is more affordable to prospective suitors and doesn’t have no trade rights. In short, there are at least a dozen more potential destinations for Kinsler than for Young.
kinsler wont get moved for 3 reasons. 1 age 2. money. 3 power and speed combo…yes he is more inconsistent but his hr and SB ability along with being a much much better defender makes him less likely to be traded
Ok Michael Young for Esteban Loaiza? Oh wait that already happened. I know enough about baseball. Sorry I don’t sit in the Rangers dugout watching Michael Young’s decline, I have a job. Some of you clowns need to take a chill pill.
What $$ can I expect to get for Michael in his next deal?
Gio Gonzalez for Young or Blanton for Young
The A’s would laugh and hang up the phone with that trade suggestion.
yes because kouz is soooo much better than young
Only about $44 mil cheaper…
.247/.283/.396 16 hr 59 runs 71 rbis 2.9 war uzr/150 17.5 for kouz
.284/.330/.444 21hr 99 runs 91 rbis 2.7 war uzr/150 -5.8 for young….
do you want more runs/ better average/on base%/ Sluggin%/home runs? Or better defense? Considering the extreme lack of runs the A’s put up last season(yes this off season they got better but Matsui is getting older and didnt have a great year last year, willingham is good but not great, and dejesus is pretty good….i would say that adding young to that younng team to add even more runs would help the A’s and their pitching staff a ton
ahhh my friend
you made one critical mistake that completely nullifies your argument
>park factor<
take Young's slash line outside of Arlington, and then tell me if you come to the same conclusion
Would I want a 3.2 fWAR SP, a 2.9 fWAR 3B and $43 mil or a .774 OPS, .679 on the road with 5 HRs, 34 year old, no defense 3B making $48 mil?? Tough choice. If Young is bringing Kinsler, Hamilton, Guerrero, Cruz and Texas ballpark to aid his Runs and RBI then maybe. Young in Oakland for 81 games may not come close to Kouzmanoff’s offense…
defensively he is… it isn’t even close. And he has more power
It might take a three way deal to trade Young with some of the big market teams eating some of the money in Young’s contract to obtain the pitcher they want. As crazy as this sounds, Rangers get Liriano and pay some of Young’s contract to the Twins, the Twins get Young for 7 mill a year, the Yanks get C.J. Wilson and pay 15 mill of Young’s contract. The Twins get a good player at a good price, the Yanks get a lefty who will be a free agent next year, and the Rangers pick up Liriano and and don’t have to eat as much money.
That deal literally makes no sense for the yankees why would they get the lesser pitcher and pay 15 mill for a player they dont even have? Maybe young+cash for Liriano might work for both teams, young starts at 2nd(maybe moves to 3rd is their rookie stumbles a bit, and it moves alexi out of starting(which from what i hear from most twins fans they would love to not have him start) and he goes to super utility role…
I was watching MLB Network last night and nearly vomited. I like their crew and they provide decent baseball coverage, but they view players in such a narrow and old school manner. They were discussing potential spots for Young to land, and someone had him going to St Louis. They had him at 2B and Schumaker in CF. When asked why Colby Rasmus wasn’t in the lineup, he said that he’d trade him for Young!!! I changed the channel immediately.
I saw that, also. Billy Ripken was all over the place. He had Young at SD, removing Chase Headly from the Pads lineup at 3B. He also had Young going to Baltimore for Vladdy and Young becoming the DH in Baltimore. Then he had the one you were talking about. None of the situations made sense except for Young to the Twins.
Nah that was Billy Ripken… Mitch is the one that said the Rangers should just completely blow their foot off and trade him to the Angels.
Oh yeah, you’re right. My fault, lol.
Most of those on MLB network don’t make sense if they are former players. That’s a problem with sports broadcasting—it’s filled with less journalists and more former players.
Trade Ian Kinsler for Josh Johnson. Move Michael Young back to 2B. Problem solved.
for sure it is not fun to move so often…but think about team side..they want to have better, and it is not always personal pride come first..before you complain…have you ever thought I was weak in my postion in defense…I should do better? Carlos Guillien in Detroit also have similier issue, he was allstar shortstop and becasue of his range they move him to first,them Miggy cannot play third so move to third,after Inge back to third he was ask to play leftfeild…then he vlonteerly play left for WBC Venezula team for practice…thats pro…I know Young might be better player and Guliien but G never ask to be trade because of his pride…be a man grow up child…
That was very difficult to read.
You did better than me. I gave up after the first “sentence”.
I know Pujols has the “10/5 rule” but if there was a way around it they should trade Pujols to the Giants for Buster Posey and Tim Lincecum. Poseys can play 1st and a rotation with Adam Wainwright, Tim Lincecum, Chris Carpenter, Jake Westbrook and Jamie Garcia would almost insure a World Series title.
Pujols’ 10/5 rights would have nothing to do with the trade not happening. Buster Posey may be the most difficult player to obtain in a trade. A top 3 catcher making $420K a year is twice as valuable as a $30 mil 1B. Last year A Huff’s fWAR was 1.6 lower than Pujols’. Posey and Lincecum might be worth more than 1.6 fWAR…
Thats a really good point, but you know the Giants would have to listen to a Pujols trade offer.
yeah and when you mention Lincecum AND posey they hang up the phone…
world series really they cant even beat the phillys
Tim Lincecum can.
Pretty sure the Cardinals history shows a beating on the Phillys.
God Bless, Mitch Williams…he tries so hard. “Michael Young is the Derek Jeter of the Rangers”…*snicker*
Actually, I think in this instance–he’s right. Though I don’t like agreeing with Williams.
MAN! I think I hate Buster Onley more than anyone else in the world!
Young for Carlos Lee!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO ASTROS!!!!!!!! Lee is meant to be a DH and yall can take the El Cabello group! also the Astros NEED a 1st baseman and with the bad range yall are talking about, the 1st base spot sounds good!!
The Cubs should get him. trade Kosuke Fukodome and Jeff Baker for Young so Young could play second base. then boom Cubs Win
baker is not the starting 2nd basemen blake dewitt is the second basemen
haha Cubs win…been a while huh?
Buster…what the hell does that even mean?
Now that Michael Young has made it clear that he would like to be traded, is there any possibility of the Mets trading for him and sticking him at second base?
Hey Michael Young, can you pitch??? -Brian Cashman
fail
I keep saying this…
Mets get Young
Yankees get Santana
Rangers get low level prospects
That deal makes no sense for anybody but the Mets
Yankees get their pitcher, the rangers get rid of young. The mets and rangers both shed some payroll. The rangers get some prospects back in return. The way I see it, it helps everyone…
change it from low level prospects to montero from the yankees(with martin, posada, and romie in the fold montero could be moved) the mets get young and a pitching prospect and cash for young. the yankees get santana and his entire contract(assuming he lifts his NTC same with young) the rangers get montero from the yankees and a mid level prospect from the mets
So essentially the Mets trade Young for Santana. If they were idiotic enough to do that.. pretty sure they wouldn’t need a 3rd team involved.. something tells me the Rangers would take Santana, lol.
I don’t get this post. Ben, you say that teams are interested in Young, but all your bulletpoints prove otherwise. Everything in this story says that teams are either not talking to the Rangers, or are ‘out’ on trade negotiations.
Stir the pot! Stir the pot!
At this point, at least name the story “Trade not likely for Young”
Agreed. Let’s all move on shall we. I’m fairly convinced he’s not going anywhere despite the fact Rangers should trade him or Kinsler. Neither one’s getting traded.
Why should they trade either one?
They tried to trade Young. It doesn’t work. contract’s too big. So, use him as the front office and management wants to use him – super UTIL and DH. leave it at that… Kinsler doesn’t need to be traded just so Young can play 2B – that makes even less sense.
What makes sense is a trade that makes the Rangers team better. Nothing proposed does that.
Well, unfortunately their highest paid and longest-tenured player doesn’t want it that way. Sometimes, reality doesn’t fit into the neat, little conclusion you’re proposing. In the fantasy world of armchair baseball and sabremetrics, maybe.
This isn’t fantasy – my conclusion is reality. On on outward appearance, it seems that the Rangers are trying to trade their player. But, why in the world should they just give him away and eat all the salary when they feel just fine using him on the team the way they’ve stated?
No one is untouchable, but what offers do they have out there that make the team better by trading either one of Young or Kinsler?
If they don’t dump Young, he gets to play for the Rangers like it or not.If he refuses to play in the roll given to him, then the team files a greivance and it gets nastier in the press, MLB gets involved, resulting in a voided contract. That’s the reality.
Your points are valid. Good argument.
I agree, trading Kinsler would make more sense at this point if they plan on keeping Young. Or they could just trade Young, get something in return, eat some of the money and save $8-10 mil per year that they are going to have to overpay him anyway to ride the pine half of the time. It makes little sense to me to keep a guy with his salary and not find a spot for him as an everyday player.
Aaron Cook, Eric Young Jr + prospect to TEX
Ian Stewart + prospect to CHISOX
Michael Young and Gavin Floyd and WS Ring to COL
gavin is a solid pitcher but he is a fly ball guy you dont want that in COL and the chisox dont need another guy to figure out at 3rd they have bentmorell, dyan vicedio, omar, and teahan thats a big enough logg jam…and they cant afford to lose a pitcher now….maybe….cook+EYJ +prospect to TEX
street(to close allowing sale to move to the rotation)+mid level prospect to CHIsox
Young and gavin to COL
I like it but I would rather see the Seattle Mariners as 3 way trade partners.
Aaron Cook & EYJr to Texas from COL
Prospect(s) to SEA from COL
Michael Young to SEA from TEX
King Felix to COL from SEA
I know it’s pretty far fetched but I would love another guy like Felix in Colorado’s rotation!
Young is not going anywhere. The Rangers would have to eat his contract to move him and they wouldn’t get much in return in players. He is the Rangers DH next year. Beltre”s defense is miles better than Young’s.
i think the rangers will grant him his wish some how and plugg the power plant napoli in at DH
If he was put on waivers no one would claim him. He is nothing more than a utility infielder who can’t field. Put him in a pitchers park and he won’t be able to hit either. If he was a FA he would be lucky to get $6M (if it was a team with a hitters park). He has almost zero value in a pitchers park.
Try telling that to @notsureifitsrs
Here’s my stupid trade proposal…
Rockies get Young.
Rangers get Derek Lowe.
Braves get Fowler and Herrera (and a ton of salary relief).
Rangers get a groundball pitcher for their bandbox and a little bit of salary relief down the road, Rockies get a guy that…well, I don’t really know why the Rockies are interested, but they get a guy that can hit second in the order (thanks only to the fact that it’s another hitter’s ballpark) and play a mediocre second base. Braves get aforementioned salary relief, a backup middle infielder, and a really interesting logjam at a position where any of three players could emerge as a decent option or all could tank miserably.
-C
bad trade for the Rockies, as they can’t afford to lose an OF or their lead off man.
Forget Young in that scenario…Rockies would be better off trading the braves for Lowe.. I think they need SP (especially a ground ball pitcher) more than another 2nd baseman.
EY jr isn’t in that trade.
This is stupid…it is obvious that Young wants out and the Rangers want him to stay. Other teams are undervaluing him according to what the Rangers see him as. Thats why no deal has been done. If they just wanted to trade him he would be with the Rox for EY Jr.
On the other hand, Young can play…flat out play…he made like nine of his errors last year in a 15 day stretch…and most of them were throwing errors. He would be an asset at short or second for A LOT of teams at second OR short. Forget your stats ladies, try watching a game once in a while and forming an unbiased opinion with out letting the press form it for you.
It seems like Texas is still trying to promote Young as a SS, too. Good luck with that. If he could perform well at shortstop, they would find a ton of takers. His defense there has been pretty sad.
Do you have any idea what you’re talking about. hes spent over 700 games at short with a .987 fielding percentage. that’s gold glove quality
With a career UZR/150 of -10.2, I hope you’re being sarcastic before I remind you about the time Palmiero won his gold glove as a DH.
He getz lotz o’ RBI’s and doesn’t commit no errorz and won a gold glove so he gotz to be a good player!!
Rangers have painted themselves into a corner. Hope they’re hungry because they’re going to have to eat tens of millions of dollars.
Stick to your guns, Rox. Fowler should not be involved in this deal. You only have 4 OFs right now to begin with and he’s the currently projected lead off man. The 2B “hole” is relatively small compared to what trading Fowler would create. Give up either Nelson or EYJ (plus a B prospect), but not Fowler. No way.
Totally agree. While I’m not the biggest Fowler fan…losing him would be create a far bigger hole than getting Young would fill. That’s a non-starter proposal.
Dear Michael Young:
If you don’t like your job. Then quit.
Sincerely,
Jerry Sloan and Gil Meche.
Welll i was Young i would uhhhhhhhhhhhh…??? I dunnoo what to do. Do i stay in texas? O rdo i leave my wife???? WHAT DO I DO? Do i forgive the texas fans and the rangers for being buttholes. What do i do?WHAT DO I DO? I mean there is nutin to do. I probaly go sit on the toliet and try to make sense of this situation? I mean like what the hell man grow up child, grow up and put some big man pants on. Put them on and stop thinking of the past. Take them off and wiggle your junk and relish the moment in which you are a ranger. WIGGLE THAT JUNK FOOL! COME ON YOUNG WIGGLE IT ALL AROUND AND MAKE SURE U HAVE YOUR BIGBOY PANTS ON. And make some children so u got some boys to play catch with. WIGGLE YOUR JUNK FOOL
Daniels: We want Cook and Fowler for Young, we’ll eat $6M a year.
O’Dowd: We’ll consider Fowler, but you’ll have to eat $10M a year.
Daniels: Ok, that’s a fair offer. But I’ll counter with Cook and Fowler for Young but we’re only going to eat $2M a year.
O’Dowd: Wait, what? When you negotiate we’re supposed to come to a compromise.
Daniels: Well that’s a good point. How about we’ll trade you Young and we’ll take a big contract off your hands. We’ll take Gonzalez and Cook.
O’Dowd: Umm, I’m hanging up now.
Daniels: Ok, ok. I’ll be reasonable. We’ll take Jimenez and Gonzalez for Young and you’ll pay Gonzalez’s salary.
O’Dowd: *dial tone*
Ok, this is just a thought.
The post talks about the how the Rangers missed out on DH type bats like Vlad & Manny and that it hindered the trade talks with the Rockies.
Well why don’t the Rockies include Jason Giambi in the trade offer.
Let’s say the Rockies offer Giambi & either EYJr or Lopez for Michael Young
and the Rangers eat $18Mil of that fatty contract. Boom..there’s your old guy power bat DH. Again, just a thought..
i wish the angels could get him, but very unlikely given they are in the same division, the asking price, and Reagins’ recent comment…. only scenario i could see Young to the angels would be if the Yanks got Young, then flipped him to the angels for Kazmir or something like that ($ and prospects involved as well)
that seems like the most likely scenario if the angels were to acquire young…
as an angels fan, i gotta say… no thanks. i prefer the upside of a healthy maicer izturis…
I think it’s time for the Rockies to move on…it’s nuts what the Rangers are asking for…Fowler shouldn’t even be in the discussion…go to Spring Training and let EY, Herrera, Lopez and Nelson battle it out for the starting spot…
Trade blanton for young, then trade polanco to the astros for wandy rodriguez, bourn, and pence. Phillies champs 2011-2030
as much as I want the Rockies to get Micheal Young…..the Rangers seem nuts. The more this goes on the more I think they want to keep Young…and force him to DH…wither he likes it or not.
If the Rangers didn’t overpay Adrian Beltre by 20 million dollars they could have gotten a Dh type guy and Michael Young would be on his way. Now michael Young is going to DH for 48 million dollars. Once again the Rangers show how ignorant there organization truly is.
If the Ricketts family were willing to add some payroll, think about this scenario: The Cubs are in need of second base help, the Rangers are in need of a “DH type”, the Rangers send Michael Young to Chicago for a package of Alfonso Soriano (I will explain), Jeff Samardzija, Randy Wells and one of Casey Coleman, Marcos Mateo or Thomas Diamond.
In this deal, the Cubs would obviously have to eat somewhere between 9 and 12 million a year of Soriano’s contract. This would solve the Ranger’s need for a “DH type” player and at a reasonable cost of 6-9 million a year for Soriano’s services. The Rangers also receive a package of young pitchers with the centerpiece being Samardzija who is out of options with the Cubs and does not seem to be able to find a role in the Cubs system. The Rangers also get Randy Wells who has shown that he can pitch at the big league level and should come out okay from his sophomore slump. The other three pitchers mentioned (remember the Rangers can choose anyone of them) are just depth chart fillers for both teams who may eat up some innings in a swing role.
This gives the Cubs the second basemen they badly need (granted they are overpaying a bit) but also gives the Cubs a viable team in the Central