We heard yesterday that the Rangers are talking to at least two teams about Michael Young and could still deal him. The Rockies aren't one of the two clubs, but their expansion cousins are interested. The Marlins inquired on Young, though they would likely need Texas to take on most of his contract. Here's the latest on Young with the most recent updates up top:
- Ozzie Guillen once called Young his favorite non-White Sox player in baseball, but the Chicago manager doesn't think his team will make a move to acquire the infielder, reports MLB.com's Scott Merkin. Guillen is happy with his current third base options and doesn't believe the Sox have enough payroll space to afford Young.
- A D'Backs source tells Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic that the Snakes and Rangers did discuss a Young trade at one point, but "we haven’t spoken to them for a while.”
- The Diamondbacks are interested in Young, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. The D'Backs believe Young is a potential upgrade over third baseman Melvin Mora, but talks haven't developed much yet and they may not pick up. Arizona would need Texas to pick up a considerable chunk of Young's $48MM contract to make a deal work, but the Rangers are saying they don't want to include much money in a trade. Like the Marlins, the D'Backs would need Young's approval for any deal to go through.
- The Marlins appear to view Young as a $6-7MM player, according to ESPN.com's Buster Olney (on Twitter). They could want more than $30MM in salary relief in possible trades with Texas.
- The Mets never called the Rangers about Young, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post. The front office is concerned about the $48MM remaining on Young’s contract and his ability to play second base. The Mets, who are not on Young’s list of accepted destinations, want to evaluate their in-house second base candidates and having Young around would prevent them from doing so.
BALTIMORE!! He’s being traded to the A.L. East!!!
its all i can think of.
You just made Mark Reynolds sad.
Detroit? Toronto? Minnesota???
No team wants to take on Young’s contract, and since the Rangers aren’t willing to eat a significant amount of it and want prime talent in return besides, Young isn’t going anywhere.
They are crazy if they think they will get salary relief AND good prospects! Maybe they think the Vernon Wells trade sets it up for them, but one stupid trade does not set the market.
does no one get they are trying to “please his request” while keeping him?
They are saying we know we cant move you but were not biting the bullet because you grumpy…
Aquafina tastes so good!
This would be my offer to the Marlins. Agree to pay $11Million each year on Young’s salary, Tommy Hunter, Martin Perez, and Jurikson Profar for Josh Johnson.
In your dreams would you get JJ for anywhere near that offer.
counteroffer then???
Nolan Ryan has a better chance of coming out of his seat and pitching for the Rangers than does JJ getting traded to you.
Like I said before, that kind of thing has been said before within a few months or even weeks of an ace getting traded.
If you really want a counter offer… Marlins will take Hunter, Profar, Perez, Erlin, and Olt.
And start a forum post or something about this as this is a Michael Young thread.
Done. I would do that if I were Daniels.
Let’s hear some counter offers then folks.
You’re not getting any counter offers because the Marlins aren’t trading JJ.
Yes, and Cleveland wasn’t going to trade Sabathia or Lee. Seattle wasn’t going to trade Lee. The Marlins weren’t going to trade Beckett. Toronto wasn’t going to trade Halliday. Yes, they will trade JJ eventually. I didn’t think I would see any real counter offers because most folks just want to spout off and don’t have any real knowledge of our prospects which is what is always traded in these types of deals, not big league players like Andrus and Feliz. If you don’t know who Perez and Profar are just say so and don’t act like you do. Unless you can counter offer by asking for specific prospects then you have no business being in the discussion.
Big difference between Lee/Sabathia and Johnson. Johnson has a team friendly multi year deal and Sabathia and Lee were a lock to get huge money.
JJ gets big money next year, that is big money for the Marlins.
Even with escalations for JJ and Hanley, the Marlins payroll isn’t going north of $51MM over the next three seasons.
Sure, the Marlins will probably be ready for another fire sale by 2013 or so, but they can certainly afford to keep the payroll around $50MM for the next three seasons. Especially since they’ll most likely be good enough to win their division in each of those three seasons.
Philly will be winning the division for the next few years with their rotation.
Starting pitching is maybe 1/4 the equation to winning sir.
To quote someone, “Have a glass of milk to help you swallow that.”
Okay, then. Let’s alter the previous statement:
“Philly will be winning the division for the next few years with their rotation, plus Howard, Utley, Rollins, Victorino, Domonic Brown, etc, etc,…”
(This is not coming from a Phillies fan, just a Rangers fan who sees the apocalypse coming from the direction of the NL East.)
they are expecting to have the payroll go up with the revenue in the new stadium. they are in an awful deal at sunlife stadium that kills them. i heard david sampson talking about 70mil in the new stadium on the radio a few weeks back.
First I am a Rangers fan. There is no way we get JJ!! The way the Marlins structured the deal is that his contract escalates as soon as they open the new stadium and have more revenue coming in. They are moving to a more baseball friendly area and need JJ to headline the opening of the stadium. You don’t open a new stadium by trading your best player the year before.
dude are u dumb! The marlins have a bright future! why would they trade one of the best pitchers in baseball to the rangers for a guy who yes can still play very well, but is getting old and won’t be there for the future… the reason cleveland traded C.C. was because they knew they weren’t going to be able to keep him and they got top prospects from the brewers who haven’t really panned out yet but are still very young. the marlins traded josh beckett so they could rebuild and might i add they got hanley ramiraz out of it who is the face of the franchise. Toronto another team who is building for the future and were not gonna be able to keep the doc so they traded for prospects… you dont just trade ur ace for michael young and a end of the rotation pitcher along with some other unproven cats who aren’t top prospects. JOSH JOHNSON just signed a 4 year deal with the marlins last year! so why the hell would they trade him…. when hes in his last year of his contract and if they cannot resign him then yes they will trade him, but right now you have to be out of your mind… ur senarios with C.C. and everyone else getting traded is not the same senario. by the way unless you can keep yourself from sayin some dumb crap like that you dont deserve to ever leave another message on here… sorry but its the truth
You can start with Feliz and Andrus.
LOL. You’re insane.
How am I insane?
JJ is an ace signed to a reasonable contract? Why would the marlins trade him for anything else.
The Marlins won’t be able to afford him after this season.
$7.75 million in 2011 and $13.75 million in each of the 2012 and 2013 seasons.
That is certainly affordable considering how good Johnson is. BTW that is from ESPN
Why do you think they structured it that way? They knew eventually they would trade him when the contract value went up. They can’t afford 13.75 milion.
LOL. The Marlins are one of the most profitable teams in MLB actually…and they just threw 18 Million dollars at an average catcher, but you know more then everyone else, so of course they are going to let their ace walk for 13 mil.
You are comparing what they will spend on Buck in 3 seasons to what they would have to pay JJ for one season. Big difference there. I do know that much.
Ok. You’re right. They are willing to spend $8 million on a 33 year old catcher with a career obp. of .300, but they would never spend $13 million to keep their ace.
Thanks for enlightening us.
Much less of a difference has resulted in a deal breaker before. It is really more like $6 Million and $14 Million isn’t it? Or is Buck making more upfront?
really dude, give up. i am embarrassed for you.
Oh well, you will get over it I’m sure.
Weren’t most of those profits earned through revenue sharing.
look at the when the price goes up. in the new stadium. where they get more revenue, and don’t have to pay a steep price to rent the place. you have been on here talking down to people about not knowing your farm system when you don’t put that same microscope on yourself. it is well known that jj’s salary is connected to the stadium move. you talk like the marlins have no chance to win their division, when there is always a chance. we blew 25 games last year with our bullpen. that seems to be fixed, as our defense has (other than center). to talk in absolutes is to put yourself in a bad place as far as arguments go.
With the Phillies pitching you will not win the division.
With the Rangers pitching I expect similar results…
The Marlins Pitching > The Rangers Pitching
Well, why do you think I am trying to get JJ. LOL
“to talk in absolutes is to put yourself in a bad place as far as arguments go.” do you know what that sentence means? now look at your post below it.
Are you absolutely sure about that?
Care to revisit this conversation now? With the Phillies pitching the Marlins didn’t have any chance this year and I was and am “absolutely” sure about that.
His contract is only reasonable for the Marlins for 2011. After that they can’t afford him.
The old Marlins cannot afford players thing is really old now. Come up with a new joke please. I think the recent article on their profits should prove they make plenty above and beyond operating expenses…getting Jeffrey Loria to spend it is another issue.
Lets ask the Texas Rangers Bankruptcy Attorney about your views on what teams can and cannot afford players.
Since when did the Marlins get an influx of money? The Rangers got theirs last summer when Greenburg and Co. bought the team
Apparently not enough to get sign an Ace like Lee
It was enough to at least be in the running for a pitcher like Lee instead of having to trade him away because he is due to make about half of what he could get on an open market.
stay out of bankruptcy and then you can post about how good your team is with money.
Old news and you know it. Not even the same owner. Keep trying.
The Rangers are owned now two Texas oil billionaires and signed a multi-billion dollar media contract in the last 6 months. I don’t think they really have to worry as much about $$’s as the Marlins do at this point.
And those who keep touting about how profitable the Marlins are, lets not forget that the profits are all from revenue sharing, not from the Marlins ability to generate localized revenue. As the new stadium revenue kicks in, that revenue sharing golden parchaute slowly goes away…
Apparently it was enough to offer him 138 million over 6 years.
Josh Johnson is a young ace with a team friendly contract, why would the Marlins give him up when they don’t have to. Lunchbox45 starting point would be a legit offer.
Marlins need a REAL closer, you can start there with your enticing offers.
whatever that means
Have you every watched a Marlins game when Leo Nunez comes in? The 9th inning should be sponsored by Pepto Bismol.
Haha. So true, I really hope they give the closer’s role to Hensley.
Nunez is a great pitcher and probably one of the best setup men in the league, but he just does not posses the mental fortitude to close games
I agree. Mike Dunn is my pick to be the Marlins closer of the future…we shall see.
I hope Dunn turns out to be a solid closer. That would make the Uggla deal less of a joke, but personally I dont see it happening. I think Webb and Hensley have the better shot to be successful closers.
Feliz or Andrus, Jurickson Profar, and 2 of Tanner Scheppers, Robbie Erlin, Mike Olt, or Michael Kirkman
These type of deals almost never include an established quality player like Feliz or Andrus going to the other team getting the prospects. So you would rather have those guys instead of Perez? Instead of Feliz or Andrus I would give you all of those guys and not just two of them to go along with Profar. Believe me though you would rather have Perez as an alternate though.
Perez is too wild. I know he is the Rangers top prospect at the moment, but I don’t think that will last… unless the Rangers trade the players I mentioned. You asked for a legitimate offer and there it is. You don’t get an ace for just prospects, And JJ is an ace.
Aces are traded for just prospects. You might get MLB ready prospects like Ogando, but not ones who are already All Star candidates.
No thanks.
The padres should just trade some minor league prospects as Young could make their offseason makeover complete to the point one day they’ll be saying Adrian who?
Yes, and Cleveland wasn’t going to trade Sabathia or Lee. Seattle wasn’t going to trade Lee. The Marlins weren’t going to trade Beckett. Toronto wasn’t going to trade Halliday. Yes, they will trade JJ eventually. I didn’t think I would see any real counter offers because most folks just want to spout off and don’t have any real knowledge of our prospects which is what is always traded in these types of deals, not big league players like Andrus and Feliz. If you don’t know who Perez and Profar are just say so and don’t act like you do. Unless you can counter offer by asking for specific prospects then you have no business being in the discussion.
to the PIRATES!! lol Reunited with his Hitting Coach Clint Hurdle and will play SS!!! hahahaha
I wonder why the Yanks haven’t shown much interest in him? I know that Young still wants to be an everyday player. But who better to spell their entire infield, plus do some DHing on occasion?
“The Mets never called the Rangers about Young, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post. The front office is concerned about the $48MM remaining on Young’s contract and his ability to play second base.”
Can you blame them? The Mets would be foolish to straight up trade for a 34 year old (overpaid) infielder when they’re trying to get rid of a 34 year old (overpaid) 2nd baseman right now. The only way I’d be satisfied in the Mets trading for Young is if:
A) Nelson Cruz is added to the deal. I’ve said many times throughout the offseason: I’m not 100% sold on Pagan starting RF and if anything, it would be imperative to have him come off the bench.
B) The Rangers agree to eat $8 million off his contract every year til 2013 and in return, the Mets offer Jason Bay in which they eat his 2011 contract (part of his 2012 contract if necessary).
I’m more interested in seeing what Reese Havens can do in ST so ultimately, I’d pass on Young.
Nelson Cruz as a throw in, wow.
That’s actually kind of funny, in an oblivious kind of way.
So when did the Marlins get the influx of money.
when they open the new stadium next year.
When do you learn to post something original and not just keep repeating yourself?
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Read the miami herald article on “leaked Marlins data shows strong profits”
Profits don’t always result in spending.
Your exact words were “The Marlins cannot afford him”. Have a glass of milk to help you swallow that.
You Marlin fans may need a whole cow full of milk.
All I asked for was a counter offer. If you could take any three of our prospects while expecting us to pay the majority of Young’s contract which three would you ask for. Now if you want to take Young completely out of the picture which 4 prospects would you ask for.
Why do you assume you can trade for any player with 3 or 4 prospects? That notion is just ridiculous.
That would be like if I said, “what 3 Marlin’s prospects would you ask for in exchange for Feliz.”
Answer that.
All I asked for was a counter offer. If you could take any three of our prospects while expecting us to pay the majority of Young’s contract which three would you ask for. Now if you want to take Young completely out of the picture which 4 prospects would you ask for.
Just because the Marlins took 3 prospects for Cabrera doesn’t mean they will do it again.
Or maybe they will.
Nobody is untradeable for the right price.
And yet, Jon Daniels and the Rangers don’t seem to understand that. Asking for premium talent in return for Mike Young and not eating the majority of his contract is kind of ridiculous. That is why so many teams that “were interested” are now “not interested”. What happens when Daniels runs out of teams to talk to with his joke of a trade offer?
I don’t know of any specific trade offers that daniels has proposed.
You need to pay more attention, there have been several and they ended up with a “not interested”.
There has only been speculation. No trade proposal has become public. Wha tyou are doing is paying attention to the wrong things.
Then MY stays a Ranger. What’s the big deal?
Would you be happier if I said 6 prospects for JJ, becaus ethat can be done.
JJ is NOT tradeable for non MLB experienced PROSPECTS…get over it! Whether you like the Marlins, their shady profits, or their owner, JJ is not leaving Miami anytime soon unless you are going to offer significant, experienced returns… aka people YOU dont want to trade, like Nelson Cruz, Josh Hamilton, Elvis Andrus, Neftali Feliz etc…
JJ is very young, and he keeps getting better and better. His is no doubt a future Cy Young winner and is probably the best all around pitcher in the NL east not named Halladay when you consider his age and the team he plays for.
Prospects are not going to land you this caliber of a pitcher, especially when he is a absolute BARGAIN through 2013.
Keep your hopes up. Maybe the Marlins will get an influx of cash like they never have had before.
There is a better chance of the Marlins payroll being inflated than you getting off your pedestal.
No pedestal DD only looing for a discussion without all of the juvenile spouting off without thinking something through.
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just draft him in your fantasy league if you want him so bad. Problem solved.
How about to the Giants for Tejada? A boy can dream…
once again, NEW STADIUM next year!!!! The highest avg attendance at the Ballpark in Arlington was when………yep, the first year it opened. 43,916 per game (strike shortened season so it didn’t set the overal record). Next best was in 97 with 36,361. That is a difference of about 16,000 fans per game from the year before at the old stadium. If they get half that and the avg fan spends $20 per game, that is an influx of just under $13 mil next year. (8,000 fans x $20 x 81 games) There is your influx of money.
The average ticket at the new stadium is closer to $40+10parking+10food and drink. Thats a lot more then 13 million.
I was keeping it simple for Bennieyes. I think even he can realize that number is low. I was trying to have it be equal to JJ’s contract next year since he thinks there is no way that they can afford him.
I know. I was trying to further demonstrate how outrageous the idea of the Marlins not being able to afford JJ is.
That is really funny now.
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Getting traded doesn’t change the fact that they can still afford him. They just decided to pocket the money instead of trying to win.
Even funnier!!!
Looks like they can’t afford very much at all.
those were winning seasons though
Not after this year. This year’s attendance at the Ballpark in Arlington will be the highest ever.
Everyone will look back at this as a huge blunder by the Rangers front office. Knowing that Young had $48 mill left on his deal they went out and signed Beltre and did a horrible job presenting Young’s future to him. Young has done everything the Rangers ever asked and has been paid well for it, but when a guy who has carried your team on his back for a decade is treated second rate what do they expect. Clearly no team is gonna trade for Young without asking the Rangers to eat most of his deal. If the Rangers were smart they would just make Young their full-time DH and be done with it. End the trade rumors now, if Young wants out than let him do all the talking. Rangers lost all their bargaining power so looks like Young will be around till next season unless a miracle happens.
Everyday its the same exact rumor with just a new random team inserted into it. Taking odds on tomorrow’s fill-in-the-blank team: “The ________ are interested in Young, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. The ________ believe Young is a potential upgrade, but talks haven’t developed much yet and they may not pick up. __________ would need Texas to pick up a considerable chunk of Young’s $48MM contract to make a deal work, but the Rangers are saying they don’t want to include much money in a trade. ”
I’m feeling it’ll be the Indians tomorrow. Seems like they are the only ones left unscathed in the Young rumor mill.
Continuing the line on this thread, since the Diamondbacks are interested, now we have to figure out how to get Justin Upton to the Rangers, no?
Just get it over with and trade him to the White Sox. Ozzie has a perverted man crush on Young, we (Tx) need pitching, Chicago has an extra pitcher with Sale waiting for a rotation spot. Give us Danks/Morel back for Young/Hunter/Borbon
hahahahahhaha wow that is simply a horrible trade for the whitesox….
A few things.
1 There really is not extra pitcher considering the sox realistically don’t know when Peavy will be back. If they knew for a fact he was going to be back opening day and be 100% The pitcher to be traded would not be John Danks but more likely Gavin Floyd(even though he has a very team friendly deal) Or Edwin Jackson, possibly even Mark Buehrle.
2- The only way that happenes is if the rangers eat like 70% of youngs contract and I doubt they would do that.
3-again DANKS IS NOT GETTING TRADED, he will get extended sooner than later and needs to be he is easily the sox best pitcher and the #1 of the staff easily.
4 Why would the whitesox want expensive young who is bad defensively a 4th OF who is up and down at the plate?
the only reason sale is waiting for a rotation spot is because jackson and buehrles deals are up at the end of the year. so it makes no sense to trade danks..
no GM in their right mind would take on an aging 3rdbasemen who cant field his position for a young left hander who gets better and better every year and many people all over the country see him as being an ace sooner than later. plus consider the money there Kenny williams may not be scared to take on salary as per peavy and rios but he got huge value in return in those deals and trading danks for young no matter that your throwing in borbon and hunter it still would be a clear win for the rangers and why would they want morell? he is blocked by beltre, if anything they would ask for vicedio to play 1st and kenny would hang up the phone faster than he picked it up.
News flash hes headed to the angels
News flash hes not.
I don’t think Texas would even consider trading him in division unless the Angels were taking on the majority of his salary,and sending back a solid prospect. I think the Angels are smart enough to avoid taking on another large salary after the Wells deal.
The White Sox already have Omar Vizquel to do the things Michael Young does.