TUESDAY, 10:55am: "There is a trade brewing between the Braves and Tigers centering around Prado for Young," reports ESPN's Jim Bowden. However, MLB.com's Mark Bowman says there won't be a Young-Prado deal, as the majority of the Braves' front office isn't interested in Young (Twitter link).
MONDAY, 2:37pm: The Tigers are interested in Braves infielder/left fielder Martin Prado, reports Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. The free agent market for potential second basemen has moved quickly, with Aaron Hill and Jamey Carroll off the board and Mark Ellis close to a deal with the Dodgers. Morosi adds that the Tigers are willing to trade left fielder Delmon Young for the right second baseman, but it's not known whether the Braves are interested.
Prado has also drawn interest from the Rockies and other teams. The 28-year-old had a disappointing offensive year in 2011, spending most of his time in left field for the Braves after they acquired second baseman Dan Uggla. MLBTR projects Prado to earn about $4.4MM in arbitration in 2012, and freeing up that salary would add to the Braves' flexibility. Prado will continue to be under team control for the 2013 season.
Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski said Friday on MLB Network Radio to host Jim Bowden, "We're not going to non-tender Delmon Young. I mean, that's just not going to happen." Young, 26, hit .274/.298/.458 in 178 plate appearances for the Tigers after coming over in an August trade, adding five postseason home runs. With a projected $6.3MM salary, Young was thought to be a non-tender candidate for the Twins but is currently penciled in as the Tigers' left fielder for 2012. I think Prado would be generally regarded as more valuable than Young.
I will DIE if the Braves trade Martin Prado for Delmon Young. That is a downgrade in every conceivable way.
However, if Nick Castellanos was included with Young then I would be interested.
Dream on. Castellanos is only going for another 3B. His upside is not worth Prado. At all.
Yeah, not gunna happen.
Yeah, not gunna happen.
Prado is a 3B, moreso than 2B actually.
I would DIE if Detroit traded their future in Castellanos!!
Maybe if its a #8 or below prospect plus young just because prado’s defense is so much better…but then who gets the third OF spot?
Prado for a clubhouse cancer? No thanks.
Delmon Young is a clubhouse cancer? Hey, look who knows nothing about him! This guy!
True. I’m betting that whole hitting an umpire with his bat thing was an isolated incident, in no way representative of his attitude as a whole.
Everybody makes mistakes. Don’t judge a man on one. And people make it sound like he beat him with it. He flipped it behind him and it hit the ump. The ump was fine. Not making excuses, just saying.
I’m not judging solely on that, although that would still be a strong case. He hit the ump intentionally. Don’t make it sound like less than it was. There is a perception within the league that he’s a clubhouse cancer. Whether that perception is reality, I can’t say with certainty. But for you to say I know nothing about him is just stupid.
I have never heard of him being a cancer. And I don’t think that you do know anything about. If you did, you wouldn’t be making stuff up about him. Carlos Zambrano and Milton Bradley are cancers. Does Delmon Young fall into that? Being a quite teamate or even a bad teamate are very different from being a cancer.
You never having heard of it doesn’t mean I’m making stuff up. Google it for yourself and see. The perception is out there. Rather than blindly defending someone who obviously *you* know very little about, maybe just do the research.
Your insulting someone you know very little about he’s defending someone he knows very little about. What research will make up for the fact that we know next to nothing about the personal lives of these players any player for that matter. Their all strangers to us.
I googled “clubhouse cancer”, and saw references to the Red Sox and Nyjer Morgan, but no Delmon Young.
Do you not think it would have made more sense to include the words “Delmon Young” with “clubhouse cancer” if you were looking to see if he specifically was one?
That being said, I did Google that and didn’t see anything but some blogs and forums that I wouldn’t be comfortable using as concrete evidence.
Their has been a lot of perceptions in baseball, and hell life in general, that just were flat out not true or haven’t ever been proven.
Their has always been the allegations/rumors that certain players have been juicing. One great one that always seems to come up is Jose Bautista. “I mean come on his power numbers ticked over night! I wonder how…” and yet there seems to be very recognizable reasons why his power numbers have jumped quite rapidly. The Rogers Center seems to favor long balls (at least over PNC) and writers are quick to point out he’s changed his approach to swinging (with a more pronounced uppercut) which would help him mash the ball.
But all of this be damned. Because there seems to be that rumor he is taking steroids. It’s a decently sized, albeit dumb, perception.
The funny thing about research is that unless you know the person in question, you’re dealing with second hand information which in all brute honestly is fairly useless. I’ve always had the suspicious that Justin Verlander is a bit of a jerk outside of baseball. I don’t know why nor am I able to prove anything. I just feel that by watching him. That’s the perception I have. I don’t know if Justin Verlander is a Fred Rogers, Adolf Hitler, or falls in between the extreme middle of the two examples. And unless he decides to befriend me so I can speak to him on a daily basis, I’ll never know myself.
Now I didn’t mean to get on this diatribe and feel free to ignore it. But in all reality, it’s impossible to know if Delmon Young is some clubhouse cancer without knowing Delmon Young or being in the clubhouse.
Fair enough. In my original post I should’ve said “perceived by some to be a clubhouse cancer.” He very well may not be. But perceptions are generally borne of something real, and quite honestly, I think the whole bat and umpire thing speaks volumes. My guess is that is a side-effect of his issues with authority. I don’t know this for certain, but it seems like a fairly safe bet. And issues with authority sometimes don’t play well on a team. That’s where I was going with this, though I didn’t express it very well. I suppose if he does end up on the Braves I’ll find out soon enough.
I understand what you’re saying about Young, and it’s possible that you’re right, but I think “clubhouse cancer” is an overstatement. Any stigma he has built up seems to stem more from GMs and managers and even teammates getting fed up with his frustrating lack of production and seeming laziness as opposed to him being a supreme jackass. The term “clubhouse cancer” is hugely derogatory, so it is probably best reserved for extreme cases, like Milton Bradley and Carlos Zambrano — players who actually fight with their own teammates or have significant attitude problems that perpetually make everyone’s life miserable. Now, if you’d just said that Delmon Young is a hugely frustrating player and has worn out his welcome in a few places accordingly, no one would have disagreed and we could have all moved along on our merry way.
Yeah I realized that after the fact. And I was in a pissy mood on Monday. Clubhouse cancer is too strong.
Totally understand. We have all had a bad case of the Mondays!
Just because he sucks does not make him a clubhouse cancer.
Being a lifelong Twins fan I can tell you that Delmon Young was NOT a clubhouse cancer. Quite the opposite. Delmon Young was very respected in the Twins locker room and it was his outfield play, twins philosophical approach and the Twins vast outfield depth that led to his departure from the Twins. Having a player would can play at league minimum (Ben Revere) who hits well and plays sterling defense is a much better use of a starting spot than paying Delmon who is relatively expensive and is 1 year away from free agency.
Not sure Delmon Young and his salary make sense.
Prado for Young? As a Tigers fan, I say, “Yes, please”. Although I wouldn’t think the Braves would be interested in that. Could the Tigers flip Delmon for something else that might catch the Braves eye, and what would that be?
daniel fields outfielder projected 5 tool player i think him and ryan raburn would do it!
I said the exact thing on BYB. Rabun should do the job of you toss in another fringe guy. I was unpopular for mentioning it, but Prado for Jackson straight up would be a win-win for both teams too.
As a Tiger fan I wouldn’t do the Prado for Jackson deal straight up. That will leave a gaping hole in Center, with very questionable free agents like Coco Crisp and injury prone Sizemore to fill it. You’d just be transferring one hole of the in the field to another part of the field.
As a Tiger fan I wouldn’t do the Prado for Jackson deal straight up. That will leave a gaping hole in Center, with very questionable free agents like Coco Crisp and injury prone Sizemore to fill it. You’d just be transferring one hole of the in the field to another part of the field.
I said the exact thing on BYB. Rabun should do the job of you toss in another fringe guy. I was unpopular for mentioning it, but Prado for Jackson straight up would be a win-win for both teams too.
I think Raburn makes more sense for both teams because of salary and (eek) he’s actually better defensively than Young. However, throwing in Fields scares me because of the Renteria/Jurrjens trade. I would hate to see him blow up and become the player he’s projected to be. Best case scenario would be keeping Young for another year but some how acquiring Prado. Either way it’s more of a defensive upgrade/higher average for HR power trade if it happens.
If the Braves can trade Omar Infante for Dan Uggla, they can trade Martin Prado for Delmon Young.
You’re saying that since the Braves got a bargain on Uggla, they can afford to get a small return for Prado?
As a Twins fan, I would be pissed if the Twins received Lester Oliveros for Delmon Young, only to see the Tigers net Prado for Young (and presumably others). Granted, if the Tigers give up a ton and Young is not the centerpiece of their side of the trade, I wouldn’t feel so upset about it.
Well it doesn’t matter how you feel because the Twins DID trade Delmon Young for Lester Oliveros and Cole Nelson and that’s all there is to it. Bill Smith is now fired and rightfully so. It’s frustrating that the Twins trade their expensive position players for pitching when they are in fact always well stocked with pitching. I assume you know why Delmon Young was traded so I wouldn’t get too mad – just be happy we get to watch Ben Revere, Denard Span and possibly Michael Cuddyer roam the outfield in 2012. At some point I would love to see the twins trade some pitching depth for some young cheap blue chip bats but that will simply never happen.
all you braves fans are honestly stupid! this would be a deal in your favor! Young hit 8hrs in 40 games with the tigers, thats 32 in a full season!He drove in 120 something runs last season, he is only 26 not even in his prime, you would be lucky if you got him for prado
Awesome! Then why not give him arb and keep him?
because he is an awful fielder and he is slow and the tigers need someone to play a good left field and steal bases like a Grady sizemore or Coco Crisp
Why do you need to steal bases? It’s helpful but not necessary. As long as guys aren’t clogging up the bases, team speed is irrelevant to me.
because he is an awful fielder and he is slow and the tigers need someone to play a good left field and steal bases like a Grady sizemore or Coco Crisp
oops…misread his contract status. i guess he’s due for arb after 2012. but yeah…i’m good on delmon young.
oops…misread his contract status. i guess he’s due for arb after 2012. but yeah…i’m good on delmon young.
LOL!!! You can’t extrapolate totals like that. Young is a TERRIBLE player, both offensively and defensively.
i understand that but he is only 26 years old you gotta belive that the former number 1 overal pick is very capable and yeah i know i cant do that but he hit 5 homeruns in the postseason as well thats 13 in 51 games… you have to like those power numbers!!
i understand that but he is only 26 years old you gotta belive that the former number 1 overal pick is very capable and yeah i know i cant do that but he hit 5 homeruns in the postseason as well thats 13 in 51 games… you have to like those power numbers!!
We’ll see.
Then he fits right into the ATL OF model!
Delmon Young career HR totals: 3, 13, 10, 12, 21, 12. Where do you get 32?
he hit 8 in 40 games in detroit if you do the math thats around 28-33 homeruns in a full season and to hit that many homeruns at comerica in that many games means he has good power!
so if someone hits a home run on opening day it means they’re going to hit 162 on the season?
Apples and oranges.
Kevin Elster once hit three homers on Opening Day. He didn’t finish that year with 486.
…and Prado hit 6 in july ’10, if you do the math, that’s around 36 homeruns in a full season, and in Turner Field, a pitcher’s park, that means he has good power!
Were you an accountant at Enron? You need to include the other 84 games he played for Minnesota last year in which he hit 4 home runs.
Haha…Oh, I’ve been there, brother. Twins fans drooled over extrapolations of Delmon’s hot streaks ever since they got him. He has yet to put up a consistent season. And no, 2010 was NOT a consistent season by any stretch.
Delmon Young career HR totals: 3, 13, 10, 12, 21, 12. Where do you get 32?
Jordan Schafer hit 2 HR on opening day. That’s 264 in a full season!
lol i understand but 13 homeruns in 51 games is a lot you cant deny that?
I can’t deny that but I can’t deny his career stats up to this point either.
I can’t deny that but I can’t deny his career stats up to this point either.
lol i understand but 13 homeruns in 51 games is a lot you cant deny that?
No, it really wouldn’t be. Young doesn’t get on base enough. And he also seems to have questionable pitch recognition skills.
RBI are a product of the players in front of him getting on base for him to drive in. He’s only had one full season where his wRC+ was average or better (2010).
Also he walks less than Pudge.
No, it really wouldn’t be. Young doesn’t get on base enough. And he also seems to have questionable pitch recognition skills.
RBI are a product of the players in front of him getting on base for him to drive in. He’s only had one full season where his wRC+ was average or better (2010).
Also he walks less than Pudge.
I think us Braves fans should also include Rays and Twins fans. How long until the “he’s still young, he’s a top-pick overall, he’ll finally produce up to his potential” argument going to lose steam?
This is the wrong site for you, dude. I recommend mlive. Most of the Tigers fans there are about as clueless as you when it comes to baseball.
This is the wrong site for you, dude. I recommend mlive. Most of the Tigers fans there are about as clueless as you when it comes to baseball.
But he is a second half player, and I don’t think I can handle 2 Ugglas on one team.
If Young is so good why don’t you keep him then. I got to watch him daily here in Minnesota and would rather just keep Prado in left and have his versatility for when Chipper can’t play then trade for Young. And nice job picking stats, 8 HR’s in 40 games. What about the other 84 games in which he hit only 4?
Only a Tigers fan would try to sell the trade as “better for the other team!” before the trade happens. Then the trade happens and suddenly…greatest Tigers trade EVER – wow Braves really got fisted with this one!
I’d trade one or more of the following for Prado: Young, Dirks, Raburn, Oliver, Perry, Fields, Smyly, and Crosby, to name a few. There are probably names I’m forgetting at the moment.
Don’t see the Braves having a need/use for Turner or Porcello, since they seem pretty loaded in the rotation department. How’s Atlanta’s ‘pen look? Have heard Oliver’s and Crosby’s names tossed about as possible bullpen candidates. Not sure about Smyly.
Really don’t want to trade Boesch.
I might have more thoughts later. Woop.
Their pen is probably the best in the majors. Heck, if the Tigers somehow found a way to pry Venters from the Braves, they’d have their closer when Valverde leaves next off-season.
That would be quite the fleecing.
I wonder if the Tigers would try to get a third team involved to get a Prado deal done.
Who’s to say the Braves might not add Venters to the deal and acquire some really significant players from the Tigers? Everyday Jonny is going to become very expensive in a hurry, and McDowell has a great knack of developing bullpen arms when needed.
I could only hope the Braves would do something like that. That would be a dream come true.
Even a young John Smoltz – knowing what we know now – couldn’t pry Venters away. What’s Doyle Alexander and Edgar Renteria up to these days?
Perhaps not, but the Braves have an embarrassment of pitching riches in both starters and relievers. There’s only so many of them you can keep in the minors before you have to trade pieces away.
Perhaps not, but the Braves have an embarrassment of pitching riches in both starters and relievers. There’s only so many of them you can keep in the minors before you have to trade pieces away.
Even a young John Smoltz – knowing what we know now – couldn’t pry Venters away. What’s Doyle Alexander and Edgar Renteria up to these days?
Smyly will be a top 10 prospect by 2013. Look at his ####
I agree, I feel tigers fans casually throwing Smyly’s name around as trade bait are seriously selling way low. He has done nothing but dominate since being drafted. I would move Oliver or Crosby before him if need be.
Completely agree. He’s the only one that made me wince on that above list. The others are more expendable.
I agree Smyly will be a top 10 prospect some day. I was reluctantly including him.
Smyly will be a top 10 prospect by 2013. Look at his ####
Young AND Castellanos for Prado? Not a chance.. Smyly and Young seem more realistic. But then again, the Braves have a crap-ton of pitching.
You’re right, not a chance. Definitely don’t see us giving up Castellanos right now. I’m more than fine with giving up Oliver, Smyly, Crosby, etc.
Tigers 22 get real Smyly is going to be better then Turner and you want to trade him!
Okay, Drew, you can stop trolling now.
You’re right, not a chance. Definitely don’t see us giving up Castellanos right now. I’m more than fine with giving up Oliver, Smyly, Crosby, etc.
Casetellanos is going to be a star. I promise.
Casetellanos is going to be a star. I promise.
Bidding war for Prado! Bidding war for Prado!
The last time the Braves traded the Tigers an infielder coming off a disappointing season, they got Jair Jurrjens. Just saying.
Braves fan here: I could see the Braves trading for Delmon and a great prospect, because Delmon does hit left handed pitching very well (.298 career average). As any Braves fan knows, we can’t hit left handers with a left handed dominate lineup. I don’t know of any prospects the Braves are interested in from the Tigers, but let’s hope it’s pitching (Smoltz/Jurrjens…) 🙂
I doubt it’ll be starting pitching. The Braves have a lot of it, and it’s good.
Which I guess you’d know, being a Braves fan, but whatever.
Which I guess you’d know, being a Braves fan, but whatever.
I think it was more a joke on the fact that we have given them prospects that turned into good (or very good) pitchers in the past for just about nothing.
I think it was more a joke on the fact that we have given them prospects that turned into good (or very good) pitchers in the past for just about nothing.
Braves fan here: I could see the Braves trading for Delmon and a great prospect, because Delmon does hit left handed pitching very well (.298 career average). As any Braves fan knows, we can’t hit left handers with a left handed dominate lineup. I don’t know of any prospects the Braves are interested in from the Tigers, but let’s hope it’s pitching (Smoltz/Jurrjens…) 🙂
As a Tigers and Braves fan, I’m conflicted. On one hand, Delmon Young is a terrible player and I don’t wish him on any team. On the other, Braves do owe the Tigers for taking Renteria of their hands.
This is very true. You owe us just like the Mariners did for that Washburn trade… and Fister worked out just fine for us. We’ll take Prado now please. Thanks!
If that is true then the Blue Jays owe the Braves big time for unloading Alex Gonzalez on us for Yunel Escobar. Ouch!!
Jair Jurrjens, John Smoltz…multiple examples of Tigers not knowing what they have.
Jair Jurrjens, John Smoltz…multiple examples of Tigers not knowing what they have.
Players that interest the Braves from the Tigers that might be available: N/A
Players that interest the Braves from Tigers’ Minor League affiliates: N/A
Likelihood of these teams matching up: 0.01%
What a dumb post.
I dare you to try to find a match. The Braves don’t have to match up with the Tigers. The Tigers have to match up with the Braves and all of the Tigers good players (VMart, Cabrera, Verlander, Boesch, Peralta) are untouchable.
Let me ask you this, Josh. Do you have any idea the holes the Braves are trying to fill with a Prado trade?
Outfield power. Which the Tigers have.
who?
Brennan Boesch, Delmon Young, Daniel Fields, Andy Dirks, etc.
Daniel Fields- career Minor League OPS: .672
Andy Dirks- absolutely no Major League Success and a Minor League Journeyman
Delmon Young- worse defensive and offensively than Prado…
Again, where is this imaginary OF power available?
Good job on skipping the other guy. You’re just trolling and I’m done.
Boesch is LH, which is not what the Braves are looking for…that’s why he was skipped. Keep convincing yourself you know the Braves’ wants and needs better than a person who’s followed them for over 25 years…
You’re right. You should call the Braves up and talk to them. I’m sure Wren will take your opinion into account before making any big roster changes. You have been a fan for 25 years. LMAO! What a joke!!
Ever heard of three team deals?
The fantasy ones? Yes.
The Granderson deal was a three team deal. I guess that one only happened in our fevered imaginations, huh?
Point being: 3 team deals are few and far between and are impossible to predict, therefore trying to match the teams needs/strengths completely negates anyone’s points from this thread.
Ever heard of three team deals?
The only untouchables on the tigers(minus those with 10-5) are cabrera, verlander, vmart, avilla, and maybe turner. So, now, here is a list of Tigers players the braves would want; raburn, dirks, Jackson, Adelline Santa( he’d have to be a PTBNL), boesh(god I hope hes untouchable, but he’s not) Jackson, Danny worth, Daniel fields.
DD isn’t to be taken lightly involving a trade and the Tigers have plenty of talent that the braves would want. If DD wants prado, he can go get prado.
//The only untouchables on the tigers(minus those with 10-5) are cabrera, verlander, vmart, avilla, and maybe turner.//
Good.
The Braves would be trading Prado for an OF offensive upgrade and a lesser financial committment. There’s no one that represents that. Sorry to disappoint.
You are aware Detroit will eat salary, right? You do understand they have a surplus of young, cheap outfielders too right? How can you honestly look at the list of players that are cost controlled and exactly what the braves want and still say “nope. No players at all. Not gonna happen.”
And we still haven’t even explored the idea of a three team trade or the tigers taking on salary. Prado to Detroit would make a ton of sense. Not saying its gonna happen, but I’m not really sure what you’re looking at to be so definitively sure is this being a total wash….
who are the young cheap OF and what do they provide that Prado cannot?
Dirks, Danny Worth and Daniel Fields are your junk. Seriously, go look at any of those guys’ stats. Why would the Braves want any of them? Boesch is LH and probably an untouchable (and an overpay on your side). Jackson is a defensive-minded CF and we already have a better one in Bourn.
And by the way, the Braves org. isnt to be taken lightly in trades either. I mean, we have given you guys our junk in return for Jurrjens and Smoltz.
Players that interest the Braves from the Tigers that might be available: N/A
Players that interest the Braves from Tigers’ Minor League affiliates: N/A
Likelihood of these teams matching up: 0.01%
I would really love this move for the Tigers. It makes a whole lot of sense.
Absolutely. I’d love if they could get a deal in place here soon and then we can sit back and wait out the market to fill in the rest of our needs.
Absolutely. I’d love if they could get a deal in place here soon and then we can sit back and wait out the market to fill in the rest of our needs.
I would really love this move for the Tigers. It makes a whole lot of sense.
Delmon and Oliver. Hell, throw in any other prospect not named Turner or Castellanos too if they want. I’d LOVE to add Prado to our lineup. Do it now DD.
Yea, if Olivers still has any value. I thought we needed to trade him at the deadline.
Lefty who can bring the heat? Kid’s definitely still got trade value.
I know he’s got command issues, but I still think he’ll be a good big league pitcher. 4-5 starter… but wouldn’t rule out a move to the pen either.
Andy Oliver has only been in the Tigers farm system for two years and his first year he played 50 of his 120~ innings in Toledo. He’s still raw but it’s not like we’ve been waiting for him for 5 seasons. Like a certain shortstop that remains mediocre… Yes you Cale.
Boesch for Prado.
What do you Braves fans think?
never going to happen boesch is potential 5 tool player and prado is more like a 3 tool player. Boesch and heyward are very similar but boesch can hit for a higher average
Lulz at this Boesch-Heyward comparison.
We already have Boesch. His name is Freddy Freeman.
i think hes more of a heyward type player but who can hit for a higher average, im a braves fan too i like freeman a lot but i think boesch is better
i think hes more of a heyward type player but who can hit for a higher average, im a braves fan too i like freeman a lot but i think boesch is better
Boesch is the power corner OF bat you are looking for.
never going to happen boesch is a potential superstar
I’m a Tigers fan, and a fan of Boesch, but that is a MAJOR overstatement.
I’m a Tigers fan, and a fan of Boesch, but that is a MAJOR overstatement.
Leyland doesn’t like Boesch enough for him to become a superstar. He’s platoon material in ol’ Smokey’s eyes.
Yeah. He’s good, but not that good. I’d say his potential is that of Nick Markakis. A solid player, but not a superstar.
never going to happen boesch is a potential superstar
Boesch is the power corner OF bat you are looking for.
I wouldn’t do that. Who do you put in RF if you trade Boesch for Prado anyway? Dirks?
Sign someone… Dejesus, Cespedes, Sizemore could fill the RF slot. Dirks isn’t a terrible option either.
Signing Grady Sizemore as an everyday player would be foolish, given his past health issues. I’d take a flyer on him as a bench/role player, though.
I’m not as high on DeJesus as some other Tigers fans seem to be, I guess. And I don’t really see Dirks as anything but a bench player at this point.
Signing Cespedes would be sweet though.
Sign someone… Dejesus, Cespedes, Sizemore could fill the RF slot. Dirks isn’t a terrible option either.
Willingham. That said, I don’t really want us to trade Boesch.
I’ll agree, but it would be an interesting proposal.
I’ll agree, but it would be an interesting proposal.
Willingham. That said, I don’t really want us to trade Boesch.
Same as if you trade Young. I think they have an interest in Cespades. I think the Tigers have a real chance to get him.
i dunno…remember this is Frank Wren we’re talking about here. He often gets guys for less than they’re worth and I’m not sure if Boesch is worth Prado.
What are you talking about? Wren got one of the best pitching prospects in baseball for Javy Vazquez. Prior to that he got Vazquez (who had a Cy Young caliber season for the Braves) for a couple of dispensable prospects. He got Jair Jurrjens for a washed up Edgar Renteria. He got Dan Uggla for a utility player and a marginal relief pitcher. The McLouth/prospects trade with the Pirates was basically a wash. The only bad trade he made was Alex Gonzalez for Yunel Escobar and this was more about Yunel’s attitude than his performance on the field. It’s very possible that Tyler Pastornicky even makes that trade more bearable.
You said “What are you talking about?” and then did nothing but agree with him for the rest of the post.
i dunno…remember this is Frank Wren we’re talking about here. He often gets guys for less than they’re worth and I’m not sure if Boesch is worth Prado.
The Braves wouldn’t do it because they need a right handed outfielder, not another lefty. This is a lineup that already features Brian McCann, Freddie Freeman, Jason Heyward, Michael Bourn and Chipper (who hits better from the left side).
Aren’t you already overloaded with lefties as it is? I mean, Boesch does hit lefties well for his career thus far, but I feel like the Braves would be more inclined to deal for a RH outfielder. That being said, Raburn is cheap and has upside if he can translate his second half stats to the first half of the season (which we hoped for last season, but that’s beside the point). There would have to be more included in on the Tigers side of the deal if Raburn were involved, though.
And make us all put our Boesch jerseys through the shredder????
I’m pretty sure that Atlanta wouldn’t take just Delmon for Prado. However, if you throw in a Ryan Streiby or Plagman then i think that ATL would listen.
Strieby? Really?
I think it would take a lot more than Elmon, Strieby and Plagman to get Prado. Maybe not Turner or Castellanos, but more than the aforementioned names.
Who? they aren’t even listed in the top 20 prospects for the Tigers.
Who? they aren’t even listed in the top 20 prospects for the Tigers.
Delmon and Streiby?? Done and done. Where do we sign for that one?
I would love it if that was really all it’d take. Unfortunately I know a deal would involve more than that.
Done!
Get on the horn with Wren and make it happen, quick!
Done!
Get on the horn with Wren and make it happen, quick!
I told a buddy two weeks ago this could happen. I’m OK with it but Atlanta needs a prospect or two throw in the mix.
Though I’m sure the Tigers would love to swap Young for Prado (unlikely), it wouldn’t solve their problem; if they play Prado at second, they need someone else to play left. If they play Prado in left, second base is still vacant.
Raburn could play left. Plus we still don’t know if someone like Streiby will make the Tiger’s club.
My man Raburn. Hell yes.
My man Raburn. Hell yes.
Grady sizemore said he likes the idea of playing for the tigers but thats probly just a rumor and maybe coco crisp!
Grady sizemore said he likes the idea of playing for the tigers but thats probly just a rumor and maybe coco crisp!
Prado would play second base. Second is a much harder position to fill than left field. I wouldnt mind signing someone like Sizemore if he could stay healthy.
A 2B is harder to come by for the Tigers, since there aren’t really any candidates in their system and the 2B FA market is thin (and getting thinner fast). Whereas there are a lot of LF-types they could sign (DeJesus, Crisp, etc.). Or they could just put Raburn out in LF if they acquire a real 2B, maybe platoon him with Dirks or Kelly. The thinking could be that Young in LF and Raburn at 2B = defensive nightmare at two positions; Prado at 2B and Raburn in LF = huge upgrade at 2B defensively and a slight uptick in LF.
raburn in left then
The Tigers have money remember?
Hell no! Boesch is much better in a tigers lineup than the likes of Prado. Brennan is too valuable to the team that is why I think that they would rather give Atlanta some one like Raburn or Oliver. Just not Boesch.
Boesch was never even mentioned. Delmon would go, Prado would play second base.
Hell no! Boesch is much better in a tigers lineup than the likes of Prado. Brennan is too valuable to the team that is why I think that they would rather give Atlanta some one like Raburn or Oliver. Just not Boesch.
That would be a good move for the Tigers, then putting Prado at second base where I think he belongs. Carlos Guillen doesn’t have it anymore and can’t stay health.
Guillen is a free agent, he’s gone.
**Carlos Guillen doesn’t have it anymore and can’t stay healthy and won’t be on the Tigers next year because he won’t be re-signed.**
Fixed that for ya.
I would not want Young in exchange for Prado, I have to agree, it’s a ridiculous downgrade.
I think the only ones who want a Young-for-Prado deal are Tigers fans.
….and a few moronic Braves fans.
Any Braves fan that wants Young for Prado , isn’t a Braves fan .
I would not want Young in exchange for Prado, I have to agree, it’s a ridiculous downgrade.
I really like Delmon Young because the dude is a gamer. He stuck it out big-time through the playoffs when guys like Holliday wussed out after one little hand injury
Hers the only trade i see happening
Braves get
of delmon young
of top prospect daniel fields
tigers get
2b martin prado
Boesch for some ok second basemen… please use your head
Prado isnt an ok second baseman.. the years he has played their he has played great and an all star and he has a great work ethic.. your the one who needs to use your head
Use my head? It was a proposal. Boesch hasn’t been great. Prado fills a hole in 2B and there are many OF’s.
Daniel Fields shouldn’t even sniff the top 10 prospects this year. Please use your head.
Hmm… Delmon in a contract year and one of the top 10 3rd base prospects in baseball for Martin Prado. Don’t the Tigers already have a 2B that hits a dozen HRs with an OBP around .300 in Ryan Raburn? Don’t they want a leadoff hitter that walks more than Austin Jackson? If I’m Dombrowski, I’m not “throwing” Nick Castellanos into a deal for Martin Prado.
Ryan Raburn is not a 2nd baseman. He’s an abomination at 2nd base, and needs to stick to playing in the outfield from now on.
Prado is overrated. A poor man’s Placido Polanco–his OBP is awful for a middle infielder with no power–if he doesn’t hit for average, he’s worthless. I’d move Young for him and throw in a middling prospect, but would not give much else up. Not sure why the Braves would do that, unless they take pity on us for Jurrgens/Renteria.
.340 career OBP. That’d be one of the best on our entire team. And he does hit for power, they’re just mostly doubles instead of homers. Frankly he’s just what we need.
Unfortunately I can’t imagine Atlanta considering Young to be much more than a toss in.
Prado has some power. He’s a 15 HR guy, that’s not bad, esp for a MI.
Young and Fields for Prado and RP
That’s not nearly enough for Prado, much less Prado AND a relief pitcher.
I think people here are over-valuing Prado. Young and Fields? No way.
I would rather have Raburn and Young at 2B and LF respectively than do that trade. (and I hate Delmon Young)
You do not want Raburn and Young at 2B and LF under any circumstance… the Tigers have Porcello, Fister, and an unknown 5th starter. If that guy is a grounder too, you don’t want Raburn in the infield.
“I think people here are over-valuing Prado.”
Correction…. “I think some people here are under-valuing Prado .”
He is a career .293 hitter with career OBP of .341 and and career slugging of .434 . He was also an AS in 2010 and came in 9th in the MVP balloting . He can every position from LF to 3rd , 2nd , and some 1st . He also doesn’t strike out much . Career 8.1 at bats per 1 strike out . Last year , his worst year , he was even better at putting the ball in play at 10.6 at bats per one strike out .
Detroit doesn’t have a ton of position player prospects…..
Delmon has 1 yr left projected $6.1m. age 26 Raburn 1 contract yr left $2.1m age 29
Raburn is a NL type player moreso than Young…..the issue is trully the Tigers are papering over one hole at 2b to create another in LF, long term….Fields is a talented kid, but he repeated high A at age 19/20 and didn’t fare well. He’ll be a MLB OF w/o much doubt….but to what level don’t know, his contact numbers suck…though he can take a walk…
Raburn goes into 2 month long slumps….but when he’s right he smokes it all over the park…he’s meh at best in LF( with a good arm though) and terrible at 2nd, unplayable at 3b really….
Other than Fields, they have a Juan Encanacion like guy in Avisail Garcia, and a big splash by Collins in the low minors that to me project as LF potentials in 2013-14….
Raburn and Garcia or Delmon and Fields….that’s what I’d offer, Delmon wil be more consistent with the bat and Fields is a better prospect, but costs $6m, while Raburn is streaky and Garcia is a maybe kinda prospect, but it’s only @2m….hope that Prado produces and signs long term…a decent bet given Detroit is Caracas’ North Suburb baseball wise….
Young isn’t any more consistent offensively than Raburn in the early months of the year. Check their splits over the last three seasons.
The main difference is Raburn is consistently hot from August to the end of the season, whereas Young is hot June/July and a handful of ABs in October. They’re both streaky.
What about this? Delmon Young, Daniel Fields, and a PTBNL who will be Aaron Westlake when he can be traded in June for Martin Prado. The Tigers could play Prado at 2B and the Braves get a left fielder with a little power, an outfielder who has 5 tool potencial, and a corner infielder who could take over for Chipper when he leaves.
I don’t think Westlake can be included as a PTBNL yet. Since he signed in July, for him to be traded I think the deal would have to occur in January (six months after his signing). Someone correct me on this?
I got called out for my post earlier, but seriously, outside of the untouchables, who would the Braves want? They seek a RH power hitting left fielder or a SS. The Tigers have neither that they can offer. Delmon Young provides no upgrade. The Rockies are going to get Prado and the Red Sox are going to get Jurrjens.
and the Rockies have who as a RH power hitting LF? Smith is a lefty….a 35 yr old Wiggington with 60 career LF games played? If that’s what they want for Prado, I don’t see who the Rocks have to get him….unless it’s a prospect….
If the Braves trade Prado, they’re going to either…
A) Take some salary on to upgrade LF offensively
B) Take someone’s surplus LF and a prospect and fill void via free agency in hopes that the prospect (Tim Wheeler, for example) is ready to take over in 2013.
In neither scenario do the Tigers and Braves match up. Honestly, from the Braves’ standpoint, the Tigers have nothing they need.
the Tigers can afford to pay Delmon Young’s salary if it meant acquiring Prado
Now why would the Braves do that? Take on an inferior player just because he’s cheaper and create a hole in their lineup instead of filling a hole. Seriously, does that make sense?
It makes sense if an excellent prospect comes over, a la the Vazquez trade. It’s not like the Braves wanted Melky that bad…now Vizcaino’s likely going to be a top prospect that is nearing the big leagues. It’s going to turn out great for the team.
If the Braves can pull Young for a year and get Castellanos in the deal, that’s a great trade for the future. The Braves only lose two years of Prado, probably get a good chunk of Delmon’s salary paid, and pick up a really good prospect that’s going to make the team less expensive long-term.
That is how the trade makes sense…it’s not about Delmon Young. It’s about setting your team up to be more successful for years to come.
-C
There’s no way they get Castellanos for Prado. Dave Dombrowski isn’t Tony Reagins
You are looking at this one-dimensionally. Delmon Young’s career numbers aren’t all that different from Prado’s offensively. Unloading Prado and receiving Delmon Young with his contract paid for gives them added payroll flexibility where they can upgrade at SS, which they need to do. So they receive a possibly inferior/possibly better player in LF and can afford to upgrade at SS.
i see the tigers trading young,raburn and a top outfield prospect for prado.
i also have a sugestion that tigers fan might like trade rick porcello and casey crosby to oakland for gio gonzalez..
Delmon Young career OPS: .749
Ryan Raburn career OPS: .779
Martin Prado career OPS: .775
So, the Braves will acquire 2 mediocre RH hitting OF that play the same position, pay them almost 10 million more than Prado’s projected 2012 salary, to play worse, or at least equivalent? You can do better than that.
Yes, this is what I have been hoping for look into all along. Deal Delmon Young, 5MM, and a lower level prospect to the Braves for Prado. This gives the Braves added cap room which is what they are ultimately looking for.
Then trade lower-level prospects to the Mariners for Chone Figgins and Ichiro and 10MM cash. The Mariners would love to clear roughly 16MM off their payroll to make room for a big signing (i.e. Fielder) for beyond. Beyond Ackley and Smoak, there isn’t much offensive talent on the way for Seattle. Signing Fielder long-term would offer them some stability. Tigers get speed at the top and bottom of the order and solid defense in RF/LF and 3b. Speed is hard to come by at 3b as it is and worse comes to worse Figgins platoons with Inge. Ichiro gets one last shot at a championship as the Mariners aren’t likely going anywhere this season.
Then sign Ryan Doumit to occasionally spell Avila and Boesch. Avila hits in the 3-spot when Doumit spells Boesch.
Tigers lineup
RF) Ichiro (L)
2b) Prado (R)
LF) Boesch (L)
1b) Miguel Cabrera (R)
DH) VMart (S)
SS) Peralta (R)
C) Avila/Doumit (L)/(S)
3b) Figgins/Inge (S)/(L)
CF) AJax (R)
flip jackson and figgins
if were going to go out and trade for a right fielder i would go out and get ethier instead!
The M’s make too much in merchandise to trade Ichiro. We’re not getting him.
Imagine how much they would make in merchandise with Prince Fielder….
Not nearley as much. Think of how much they make in Japan. He is a HUGE superstar over there.
A very valid point. The one thing I will say is that it is just one season and the money they would save not having to pay him and/or Figgins is substantial, especially if they didn’t wind up signing Fielder afterwords (which I think they would). I think it would be closer than you make it out to be. His contract ends after this season anyway. Realistically, the Mariners aren’t contending next year anyway. They can frame it as an “opportunity for future Hall of Famer to get one last chance at a World Series ring.” Ultimately, it would be up to Ichiro as well since he has ten-five rights now. If he accepted a trade, I doubt there would be much fan backlash at ownership since he was willing to leave. They could always resign Ichiro after 2012 anyway.
Aside from merchandise sold at the stadium, teams split revenue from merchandise sells.
lol ICHIRO TO TIGERS rumors…now we’re dreaming…
Why would the Braves go after ANOTHER LH hitter in Boesch who will do the exact same thing as Heyward and Freeman? I say if the Tigers want Prado let’s go after Jhonny Peralta. On base skill and power in a right handed hitter is what we need and we have a giant empty spot at SS. Ok, he’s been inconsistent through his career but he’s a fantastic defender who could also spell Chipper when necessary and that would give Pastornicky a chance to get in the lineup on occasion while not losing a solid hitter.
As for the OF, sign Beltran or Sizemore or Fukudome to an incentive contract and trade from our pitching depth to get a young guy who can back up the OF and hopefully a AA 3B as well. Shame the Tigers traded Casper Wells, he looks like he has potential.
sizemore is also a lefty and you would rather have boesch than him, trust me
…but he won’t cost a haul of players is the point
except that the Tigers have no one to play SS then, so not gonna happen….and Peralta is a sound defender but has very little range
You could always sign Alex Gonzalez , LOL .
Here is a good one!!! Young and Inge for Prado!! Would be great compensation for the whole Smoltz thingy.
Way to be a raging tool, presumed member of Smyly’s family. Did you bother to read the whole comment?
“There is a trade brewing between the Braves and Tigers centering around Prado for Young”
loool. i take it all back, tigers fans. if dombrowski can make that happen then the young acquisition was worth it all along
i agree lol i want us to go after coco crisp ot grady sizemore now
Looking at Elmon’s September and October performance, it’s clear the Tigers already “won” the trade. Lester Oliveros and Cole Nelson will not be missed.
neither will delmon young in minnesota, so no. they got two lottery tickets for nothing. plus you’re ignoring opportunity cost for the tigers
but i don’t want to have that conversation again. bringing young back for $6M was crazytown. trading him for prado? brilliant if true
As a Braves fan, that statement makes me want to throw up.
Get it done DD. then get Ichiro to play RF and Figgins to platoon at 3b, sign Doumit to C/OF and call it a winter for the offense
No unless they send us 25 million to eat both of their contacts
how about 10MM
Doumit-lol injury prone and you know something is up when the Pirates don’t want him!!!
LOVE IT!!! Delmon Young is one of my favorite players and he is a true gamer. His performance, bravery and the grapefruits he showed in the playoffs were enough to sell me on him. Get it done Wren.
Are you being sarcastic?????? Delmon Young is AWFUL.
I seriously may give up being a baseball fan if this trade happens.
ether way the tigers are better than the braves lol who even cares if this happens
Well then, it doesn’t make sense for the Braves to allow the Tigers to improve even more while downgrading their own team.
If Jim Bowden is correct, I might vomit in my underpants.
I could suggest better, less embarrassing places to vomit, but I’m with you on the sentiment.
Legit murdering by the Tigers if they can turn Delmon Young into Martin Prado.
Prado career WAR: 10.0 in 527 games
Young career WAR: 1.6 in 729 games
You just don’t do things like that. The Braves have lost their damn minds if this happens.
You’ve got that right. The ONLY way this makes sense is if the Tigers include a VERY elite prospect with Young.
PLEASE do NOT let this be true.!!
Oh he is not, the guy has it in him he just needs someone to bring it out and keep it there. And about the prospect I wouldn’t be surprised if Wren manages to get Castellanos away from them.
theres no way your getting our 3rd basemen of the future for a guy in his late 20’s sorry maybe more like one of our ss prospects or outfield prospects
I’m not saying its going to happen I’m just saying I wouldn’t be surprised. Wren managed to get Vizcaino from the Yankees, Pastornicky and Collins from the Blue Jays and Jurrjens from…uh…hmmmmm…I can’t seem to remember…uhhhh…oh yeah, the Tigers!!!
lol dont even bring up smoltz but detroit said the 2 prospects that they will not give up no matter what are Jacob Turner and Nick Castellanos. we have a lot of good pitching prospects but it doesnt seem like you guys need pitching
not in the least haha but Castellanos would look real good at third…plus Prado is a really good ballplayer and his future is at third. I’m not saying he’s got Castellanos’ potential but he’s a darn good hitter. The only true problem is a thing of the past that could rear its ugly head moving so far north. In 2010 he had major seperation anxiety issues due to his mother having issues coming to see him from Venezuela. It was really sad and it hampered his playing skills for a few weeks.
DD may have said that just to try and drive the price up . I do know that Wren just doesn’t give away players .
It’ll either be Young , B+ prospect and cash …. or Young , and a high prospect .
Much like the rumors with the Rockies, the only way this trade gets done is if the Braves get the prospect they want.
Unlike Seth Smith, Delmon Young is a negative trade value player. The Braves don’t want him in the first place. But they’ll take him, if they can also get the guy they want.
Why do people always think that a trade involving two MLB players is done with the MLB player being the centerpiece?? The reason for the trade is the prospect.
-C
Good point. The Tigers need to include a really good prospect to get the Braves to take Young off of their hands AND to get Prado.
Delmon can be just non-tendered if the Tigers were looking to dump him…
On an unrelated note, how about Young for Prado and Venters?
How about no. I wouldn’t want Young for free.
After posting that statement I realized that Young could just be non-tendered.
Great Point! Just like the Vazquez trade the Braves took on Cabrera in order to get Dunn AND Vizcaino.
Well said .
All’s I’m saying is Terdo better make the transition to 3B next year (successfully).
There will be so much rage if Prado is traded for Delmon freakin’ Young. It doesn’t say straight up so there better be something great coming along with Young if this happens. And if I were a religious man, I’d be praying my hardest it doesn’t.
Prado for Young straight up doesn’t make any sense. It doesn’t save the Braves money and Young isn’t an upgrade in the least bit, he’s a downgrade. I don’t understand why Braves would do this trade.
is it bad that the only hope i’m holding out for this trade is that it’s being reported by jim bowden?
I thought the same thing. I’m glad it’s not being reported by a reputable source.
Wren. Bring back John Smoltz 2.0
Big problem is all of their good prospects are pitchers or drafted in 11 and can’t be traded
Castellanos is the lone exception, but he is untouchable according to most Tiger fans here.
Please don’t do it, Frank.
The one good thing about the latest rumor is that it came from Jim Bowden. He’s the reporter equivalent to “the boy who cried wolf”.
I love Prado but you guys are overvaluing him. If he goes to the Tigers his OPS numbers are going to go down even more. He doesn’t have the speed for triples and it’s going to be a lot harder for him to hit a homerun out of there than it was at Turner Field.
Look at his career numbers at Turner Field he hits for .309 and .807 OPS and on the road he hits .279 and .746 OPS. He’s a super utility guy but Young would be a solid replacement in LF for a year and I’m sure we’d get a great prospect in the deal.
Prado’s numbers arent likely to go anywhere (assuming his decline was BABIP and injury driven). Taking into account a decade’s worth of research, both stadiums play about the same. Prado has an extra year of service and costs about 2-3 million less than Young, and there are no high position prospects in the Tigers system that should interest Atlanta.
We value him so much because of what he means to the Braves team . He is an insurance blanket for 2 other positions than the one he actually plays in LF . If something happens to Uggla Or more likely Chipper , Prado slips right in and takes over . So to us he has a high value .
Young for Prado you say, Jim Bowden?
…I just lol’ed. Braves aren’t going to get anything of value from the Tigers. Castellanos and Turner aren’t going anywhere. I would say anyone else in the Tigers’ system is up for grabs, but this report is making it sound like Young is the centerpiece, and if Young is the centerpiece, then I’m assuming Brandon Inge is the throw-in.
Sounds a lot like some MLB 11: The Show stuff going on up in here.
Thank god!
Of course Bowman would say they aren’t interested because he always says that. The guy shoots down every trade rumor and never thinks the team will sign a free agent. The last time he was pushing for a move was when he insisted we were concentrating on Xavier Nady…yeah…
Shut up.
Here’s thought …. Prado , Jurrjens and a B prospect for Young and Peralta . Tigers get a 2nd baseman and Jurrjens back . The Braves get their SS , someone to call themselves a LF , and then go sign someone who can play utility or fill that spot from within .
meant to be a post , not a reply
No thanks. We don’t need another RHP. If we are trading Peralta, I want an A prospect and Prado. That’s not gonna happen though.
That would be a terrible trade for the Braves. Peralta is really a 3B, and he had a career year last year.
Shut up.
Nooo don’t trade Dan Fields, I went to school with him
Here’s a thought . No one has mentioned the fact that the Braves have a hole to fill at SS . I wonder if there is a possibility that they are working on a bigger deal that would involve Peralta to fill the SS spot for Atlanta .
Maybe Prado and one of our SS prospects(Pastornicky , Simmons) for Young and Peralta . The Tigers have some $$ for signing a free agent like J-Roll , and have been rumored to Sizemore , who has already said he would play a corner outfield spot .
Knowing Wren , I just think there is something bigger than just Prado / Young thats gonna happen .
Yea right!!!! This is a stupid comment… Im sorry but it is..
Several sources are now reporting that there is not going to be a deal between the Tigers and the Braves. According to Ken Rosenthal, the Tigers love Prado but the Braves want a lot better player than Delmon Young and further, don’t feel that they match up well with the Tigers.
Learn how to read critically, please.
I did read what you wrote and yoiu said someday he will be a top 10 prospect! Unless someday is now then I critically read your comments! Also you said reluctantly include him, That means you would include him for Prado and that would be the 2011 Smoltz trade!
The Braves fans need to worry about SP and not whose coming and going in LF…howd that September collapse taste? Hows another .500 season going to taste when Hanson, Beachy and Jurrjens (if hes still around) miss another 15 stars each due to injury?
Dont worry about Delmon Young’s OBP…worry about Jason Heyward’s .319 OBP last year now that tape is out on him, Braves will go into the season overrated as usual and let Atlanta down once more.
think the braves are the only team who have starting pitchers get hurt? How they are different is that they have 3-5 MLB ready backups ready to fill in…Minor, Delgado, Teheran, Medlen, Vizcaino (if they want to move him back to starter). I do agree with the old saying, “you can never have too much pitching” but at some point you have to focus on more glaring weaknesses, of which Prado is not one. Trading him would be a luxury. Also look up what Heyward makes compared to what Young makes, then we will discuess their OBP
The kids pitched really well in September, except for only lasting 5 innings.
The reason the Braves lost was offensive collapse and poor long relief outside of C-Mart , not starting pitching.
Well aren’t you just a barrel full of sunshine? FYI, by my count we have 7 starting pitchers at our disposal and if you count the long relievers that could be starters on another team then that number is 10. Our starting pitching is there, don’t you worry. And about Heyward, ever heard of a sophomore slump? It happens all the time. And I wouldn’t call a team that was well on its way to 95+ wins (if it hadn’t been for that un-earthly slump) as overrated.
How are people saying that the Tigers lost in that trade? Delmon hit 5 hrs in the postseason!!!! Thats really all that matters. If it wasnt for him we woulda been out in the 1st rd… Not that I actually want him as our lf in 2012 but we clearly won in that trade.