A sizable gap still exists between the Giants and arbitration eligible right-hander Tim Lincecum as the sides explore a possible extension, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports. Negotiations have taken place this winter, but the sides appear to remain a couple of years and tens of millions of dollars apart.
The Giants are believed to have offered Lincecum four years and $80MM or so this past summer and appear to have enhanced the proposal in the past few weeks. Lincecum is “thought to be seeking an eight-year deal,” but Heyman hears that the sides are also presently considering one and two-year options.
Lincecum projects to earn a 2012 salary of $19.2MM through arbitration. The Giants control his rights through 2013, when his salary could approach or exceed $25MM through arbitration. The Giants’ ultimate goal has been to buy out some of Lincecum’s free agent years, according to Heyman.
Lincecum, 27, has a 2.98 ERA with 9.9 K/9, 3.3 BB/9 and a 47.1% ground ball rate in 1028 career innings. The Beverly Hills Sports Council client has two Cy Young Awards and four All-Star Game selections to his name. Only four pitchers — Roy Halladay, C.C. Sabathia, Justin Verlander and Dan Haren — have produced more wins above replacement since 2007, Lincecum's rookie season.
Jays, trade and extend.
Could it be that easy? Please let it be…
Not happening.
Says “BringVottoHome”.
agreed…..he will have to find a new dealer after he leaves……that, is a pain
He’d look great in a Dodger uniform.
Would look better in the Jays’ new (old) uniform.
OMG i think every fr3akin’ post on this site some Jays fans suggest their team gets that player the post is about…every…dam…post…
…then they get no one.
(plays small violin)
meh, you seem more upset than most Jays fans.
Not happening.
and kershaw would look great in a giants uni…get out of here man
what! the site deletes my gtfo post to a gd DODGER trying to put my ace in his ugly blue…wth
Now this is the type of guy you dump the system for. But, I have a feeling they will work it out unfortunately :(.
he would look good in a Ranger uniform
Would look better in the Jays’ new (old) uniform
Not happening.
You and coollet some sort of tag team?
That’s a lot of chiba
Lots of chiba for sale in Canada…
not as good as whats in Northern California
it grows like a weed up here, its everywhere
he would look the best in a angels uniform.
I’m assuming you’re just talking fashion wise
They never start with thier best offer. The Giants upped thier offer. It looks like they can get something done. 8 years is 2 years arbitration, 6 years free agency. He could easily get that. #1 sign Lincecum to extension. #2 sign Cain to extension.
if they re-up both i will throw my computer out of the window…i would be very surprised if they re-upped both….
Get ready to throw your conputer out the window. The Giants already said they will make big offers to both of them.
i don’t care what they said….believe it when i see it…i can see them getting cain done but timmy, think he may want to test a little FA action
you wish bro.
Just because our two guys are the envy of baseball doesn’t mean other teams are entitled to them. The current team has been built around them, and they already won a WS prematurely with a bunch of washed up vets. Wait until 2013 when the entire core is in its prime. Oh it gonna be just plain devastating for non-Giants fans to watch.
sorry bro, looking at the giants recent history i just dont see it….
if they do that{ha ha} you better hope they hit .300 too…after those two point being they wont have nothing as far as offense is concerned and they don’t have offense now….whats gonna change bro???
we didn’t learn anything from zito…no more than4 yrs.
I dont get this. The kid has been one of the best right handers in all of baseball…(in my opinion you take verlander, halladay, felix, tim they are all interchangeable as true Aces, cant go wrong either way) you lock him up. Because you know after 2013 the yankees and bosox will be gunning hard for him in the range of CC money maybe more. He is the face of the franchise and young. Most pitchers have 2 maybe 3 years of service time under their belt at the age of 27 let alone 4 and back to back Cy Youngs(both years there was no question that he should have won them) Give him his 8 year deal he will be 35 when the contract is done. That hardly super old. Considering he already has great control and movement on his pitches he could easily still dominate when he loses his velocity. 6 years 140 mill with two options years(eithe option, club, player, vesting, mutual does not matter) valed at 25 a piece bringing the total to 8 yrs 190 mill…give him a partial no trade done and done..he is the exact type of pitcher you build around not the kind you let walk for a draft pick or a slew of prospects. That being said he is a farm dumper type of pitcher as well…Extend him, extend Bummy try to extend Cain if you cant you trade cain because he would bring a darn good haul as well..
I dont think that trade was ever even a possibility if i remember correctly …I would have probably been rios +pitching prospects but still if i remember correct those talks never went anywhere
Hanley and Volstad for Lincecum straight up
Sabean would laugh hysterically before hanging up.
Not really, Lince is not going to take any discounts and has 2 years of control at an expensive rate, not the best trade chip IMO.
pretty sure the giants could still get way more value in terms of blue-chip prospects.
I think we should ask mvp if he’d like to give us Stanton too. Then I would consider that trade.
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Forget this Disqus garbage….i hit reply and it puts my comments at the bottom. UGGGGG
I wonder if Sabean’s deal with Zito will make him less likely to lock up Lincecum for a deal > 6 years. In fairness to Lincecum, Zito’s resume was not even in the same universe that Lincecum is in when he signed the deal.
An 8 yr deal would put him at 35 at the end of the contract, so it’s realistic to think he’ll still be a very productive pitcher.
A compromise for both parties might be a deal for 6 years/135-140m range (club option for 7th year w/$10m buy out).
It’s hard to conceive guaranteeing a pitcher two years away from FA over $150m, but there’s a first time for everything
mcgowan forced sabeans hand on the zito deal, i just want to get this stright because about 99% of sabes bashing starts with “Zito and Rowand”
Fair point. However, would McGowan now be averse to giving such a contract to a pitcher again?
McGowans not around any more, but the m.o. of the FO is “extend pitching extend pitching extend (sign an aging ss) extend” so no i dont think they would be adverse to signing tim to 6-8 years, realistically, but im sure they’re scared to have to answer to another zito contract (as hard as it is for me to ever imagine looking at tim in the same light as z, EVER) 22mil a year is steep but the guy fills seats…. and id rather it be the seats at 24 willie mays plaza than at Rogers Centre
I should’ve realized that about McGowan, thanks for pointing that out.
And totally agree on your point about the Rogers Centre.
I see no reason why he would take less than Lee, CC or Santana unless he just really wanted to be extra generous towards the Giants.
There were big warning signs before the contract though that Zito would blow up. He had declined almost every year since his Cy Young and if I remember right, he was losing velocity. I dont think many were surprised that it turned out like it did.
The Giants already said that they would try to sign Lincecum and Cain to extensions. Lincecum and Cain have said that they like playing for the
Giants. A big contract is a gamble, especially for a pitcher. J Bay, C Crawford, Dunn, etc.
Apparently people have short memories. Does anyone remember the Barry Zito deal? That’s exactly why you don’t give pitchers long term deals. Anything can happen. Injuries. Ineffectiveness. Loss of fastball velocity which tim has already had. I’m not saying I wouldn’t extend him but I would do it no earlier than the beginning of next season. Because that is the latest possible time they can do it before he hits free agency.
If you wait until the year before FA then why wouldn’t Lince just test the market?
That is a risk the Giants would have to take. Either way the Giants would be taken a risk. It’d be a risk to sign him for 8 years and like you said they would risk Lincecum testing the market in Free agency. Judging by your username, you are a Yankees fan giving you that spending mentality and an endless money pit. The Giants do not have the financial flexibility therefore they have to be extremely careful especially since their last BIG signing was for a pitcher for 7 years and he was a bust. Lincecum’s track record was way better than Zito’s but you just never know with pitchers.
The Red Sox have acquired Andrew Bailey from Oakland… Details to come.
there is a different post for that..go comment there
Who cares?
The chances of Lincecum going to an E. Coast team are as remote as the chances of him succeeding there. He’s as much a left coast creature of habit as can be- he doesn’t do heat well, he hates a lot of media attention. The one place that could be attractive to him is his hometown, Seattle. If they actually put a decent team together and offered him the moon he would likely take it. SF is the right climate for him though and he unquestionably loves pitching there. My belief is the Giants will go all out for Cain and see if they have enough left for Lincecum.
im a angel fan but hope he stays with the giants so he can kick the doyers butts in 2012 and beyond
im a angel fan but hope he stays with the giants so he can kick the doyers butts in 2012 and beyond
I’m sure I’ll get bashed for this, but from an outsiders view, it looks like Lincecum wants to play somewhere else. He really wants to get paid a huge deal, and I can see him wanting to go somewhere where he’ll get more run support and even more national attention. Somewhere like NY or Boston unfortunately.
It’s gonna be VERY hard for the Giants to keep all these quality pitchers around and still field an average offense. It worked one year when they won the WS but their pitchers were a lot cheaper then.
I disagree to an extent. I think more so Tim Lincecum knows he can get what he wants which is at least a 6 or 7 year deal worth 20million+ per year. Every good player deserves their pay day. I’m sure he wants more offense but if he goes to hitter friendly parks, his stats will significantly drop since he currently pitches at AT&T park. But all in all he wants to get paid and I guess there is nothing wrong with that.
Felix also has more war from 2007
But 1 less ring and no postseason stats.
..which has nothing to do with the original stat posted.
You mean 2007, Hernandez’s second full season (third overall)? 2007 Was Lincecum’s first season up, not even a full season. The difference between them that season was 1.3 WAR.
The difference between them since: 0.0 WAR.
I say the Giants attempt to sign both this year and make sure you sign Cain and in Lincecums case if you don’t sign him this year hope for a great year from Timmy and if next offseason you don’t get him to an extension trade him then. I’m sorry it hurts but I would rather have Cain than Lincecum and I think we get a better package with Lincecum than Cain. Just saying.
Hope for a great year so you can trade him? what planet do you live on? They have the opportunity to sign him now.
I’m saying try to sign both this year did i not? I would rather much have Cain over Lincecum if it came down to that. I’m just saying if you cant sign timmy this year and next offseason either trade him before the season starts. I would rather recevie something for him then get nothing at all.
I agree Jose. It hurts bad but if he doesn’t want to extend, you might as well get something for him. Especially if the team isn’t contending for some reason that year. Even if you trade him there’s no saying you can’t try to resign him that following off season. The Phillies did that to Cliff Lee.
you are correct…and i’ll prove it to you in 8 yrs.
in other posts timmy is slated to get anywhere between 20-25 mil in arb. cain is the most consistent pitcher the giants have (including timmy). timmy stuff is better but cain is built to last. sign cain 4 yrs 75-80 mil. sign timmy 4 yrs 85-90 mil.
if deal can’t be done with timmy trade him get 6 mlb ready pros or 3 stud players. if he goes to arb giants are screwed and they wont be able to put 8 quality players on the field.
i hope they keep both when they have a lineup of:
cf brown
2b panic
3b panda
c posey
1b belt
rf nate
ss crawford
pill or any other prospect u want for left
plus in two yrs zito is off the books. i HOPE he is a decent #5
So, how’s Seattle’s farm system looking right about now? What about their payroll and ability to contend in the next couple of seasons in the now potentially crazy AL West?
If I were ownership in Seattle, I would be mustering all available resources to figure out how to make a trade happen and then figure out how to clear enough payroll space to give him the contract he wants. I’m assuming he’s going to be demanding 25/yr over 8 years so maybe a 180-190/8 type of deal with some options and/or opt-out would get it done.
Look…I just got an authentic Lincecum jersey for Christmas! I need to get a few years wear out of it….
Without the tutelage of Tidrow and Righetti plus the guidance of Bengie Molina he would not be at the same level as he is now.
true, but Lincecum could make upwards of 25 million through arbitration, so he has some leverage.
MLB TR is projecting him at $19.2 I believe. $25m in his fourth year of arb could be attainable.
I think that’s understood by most on this board. It’s almost like a civil lawsuit – the plaintiff could get $X if they see it all the way through, or settle, take a haircut and get guaranteed money. He’s not a FA today, so he can’t command $30m/year guaranteed for future seasons.
Payroll will be increased every year according to Larry Baer. They are sitting at $130 million right now plus if they give the A’s rights to San Jose they will get every single penny out of that deal.
With no more Zito, Rowand, and Huff the Giants will have enough money to sign both and a free agent hitter PLUS lock up their core.
Forgot to mention they will be done paying their mortgage on the stadium which allocate even more money into the team.
really…that got deleted? lol