The Phillies and Cole Hamels are said to be "moving in the right direction'' in their contract discussions, people familiar with the talks told Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. The club's willingness to go to six years was apparently a turning point in the negotiations.
The Phillies were said to start at $127.5MM over six years but are expected to go from there. A report on Wednesday said that the club has been sending signals that they're willing to go to $130MM for the left-hander.
If they don’t trade Halladay or Cliff Lee after they sign Hamels long term it wouldn’t make any sense. three 100 million dollar pitchers and in 5th place?
three elite pieces, they are closer to contention than the numbers say, can easily see them making the playoffs next year with the right moves in the offseason.
The numbers say they’re 12 games under .500 and buried under four teams that are much younger and much cheaper.
The eyeball test says that the Nats and Braves are loaded with young, cost-controlled talent that should keep them at the top for years to come. The Phils are loaded with old, expensive guys who are going to be less deserving of their paychecks as each year passes.
Hmm…The common sense says they are a team with very deep pockets, have multiple contracts comin off the books with the next year that will free up some cap, the deadline will provide them with atleast decent prospects, and the off season will provide them wiith the ability to throw money at more All-Stars. So how long will a team like the Phillies really stay in the basement? The numbers are probably going to say not very long especially with the TV deal coming in the near future when all of these mega deals will be nearing an end.
The jerkoff test say not_brooks has no idea what he is talking about and is tired of seeing the Phillies winning so he is trying to ignore the fact that their team still has the potential to win and will most likely do so unless they are plagued with injuries again next year. Enjoy it while you can not_brooks.
Hey, it’s been fun to watch the Phillies win, guy. It’s been fun to watch Halladay, Lee and Hamels dominate. I don’t have any interest in watching any team fail (aside from maybe the Yankees), I just don’t see the Phillies being able to sustain their success in that division with good young teams like Washington and Atlanta on the rise.
In Philly, I see big money going to guys in their mid to late 30’s and that stands out as a red flag to me. I mean, the Phils have $63MM dedicated to just three players from 2013 through 2015. Even if your payroll is $175MM, how can you expect to build a well-rounded team when you’re using 35% of your resources on 12% of your roster…?
Even if the Phils can make it work with the current squad next year, they’re going to have to find an entire outfield, a second baseman, a third baseman and at least two starters for 2014, depending on what happens with Hamels. Can they do it? Maybe. Will it be easy? Not at all. If Pat Gillick was still there, I wouldn’t doubt them at all, but I don’t have nearly as much faith in Ruben Amaro.
Oh, and don’t give me that injury BS. Every team has injuries. The Yankees have been hurt by injuries this year and they’re the best team in baseball. The Red Sox have been destroyed by injuries and they’re still two games over .500. Every team has injuries. Making the excuse that injuries are the reason the Phillies are 12 games under .500 is total garbage and you know it.
That is all.
There is no cap. It’s an internal budget, which has the chance of being taxed. People need to stop saying cap when referring to baseball teams.
The problem is that the Phillies FO is treating the Luxury Tax threshold as if it were a hard salary cap. Several of their moves over the past 12 months show this.
Also, to others, who is the 3B for them? There is zero available via FA next year. They wont be filling that hole very easily.
The Phillies main issue is the bullpen, 2B, 3B, and bench that can easily be filled. Also the Braves are hardly loaded with young cost controlled talent considering Bourn, Prado, Jones, Uggla, McCann, and Tim Hudson. Braves have been extremely lucky this year and most of their main contributors either aren’t cheap or are due raises very soon (heyward)
Fair points, all.
And there are a lot of big “ifs” surrounding the Braves future.
IF Beachy comes back strong…
IF Minor can put it back together…
IF Simmons comes back and can start every day at short…
IF guys like Delgado and Teheran can make it in the show…
Etc, etc, etc…
But still, I’d rather take a risk moving forward with a young, fairly inexpensive team than an old, crazy expensive team.
Fred 'face' Reichwein
they are 12 games under because they are missing their 3 and 4 hitters plus missing Halladay for 7 weeks. Now i know Utley and Howard are past their prime but they are not washed up. with the big three pitching and a healthy retooled team i still think they would be better than the nationals and braves.
GIve me a break…
The Red Sox have been missing Crawford and Ellsbury all year. Gonzalez has zero power this season. Lester and Beckett have been mediocre at best. And Boston is still two games over .500.
Injuries are such a BS excuse. Every team deals with injuries.
Fred 'face' Reichwein
missing lester and Beckett are not pitching well the injury that hurt the phillies was Halladay. they were 4 games above 500 and since he went down they have been 11-24. an injury to Halladay does cripple the team
I mean, they did miss Utley and Howard for almost the entirety of the first half and Halladay for 1 1/2 months… and their #2 and #4 pitchers for 15 days combined each…. most teams wouldn’t survive with the injuries we’ve had.
Certainly not the only issue, the bullpen has been the major issue this year. There’s not one guy down there that’s reliable besides Papelbon and he’s been in a slump for a month.
Halladay didn’t sign a $100M contract.
Someone is going to pay a ton for Greinke
Somebody is going to pay way too much for Greinke.
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Good! sign Cole then trade Victorino, Polanco, Blanton, Pierre, Wigginton, and Rollins… you have D. Brown, Galvis, and Cloyd to fill 3 spots next year making next to nothing, leaves them with 40 mil+ to add a 3b, CF, bullpen and bench help
can you name the only SS who ranks in the top 5 in the league at that position for WAR, SB, ISO, RUNS scored, and SLG this season? here’s a hint, he’s also the only one to also rank in the top five in every defensive category.
here’s another hint, he’s signed at a below market contract and his name is Jimmy Rollins.
And Dodgers fans balked at the idea of Rollins on here a few days ago. They failed to realize how scarce SS talent is.
moving Jimmy would purely be a move to clear some more money and he might get you something in return unlike Polanco, Blanton, Pierre… I have no problem with Jimmy. They have Galvis who is just as good if not better defensively and hopefully what they pick up for 3B and CF could make up for what you lose at SS offensively…. This is all in a perfect world
And Galvis is below replacement level offensively, while Polly is average and above average on defense. Your not getting a better offensive player at 3B for Rollins from LA San Fran or LAA. Which are the only three teams he’d approve. It’s making a trade to make a trade at the thinnest offensive position for a marginal defensive upgrade (potentially) and a huge offensive downgrade. No thanks.
the offensive upgrades at third and OF would come this offseason, I think Jimmy could bring you 2 good young cheap bullpen arms, you sacrifice the offense at short, and you use the money coming off the books from all of the above mentioned contracts and you go get some offense at the other 2 spots. I hear what you’re saying and honestly don’t know for sure who the offensive upgrades would be via free agency. just throwin out ideas
just looked at potential free agent 3b, and nevermind there is nothing there (unless the Mets are really stupid and don’t pick up Wright’s option)
Dodgers better go after Greinke now.
the phillies remind me of the red sox. both were supposed to get to the World Series last year and failed. Now they are two teams that are stuck in limbo, although both are loaded with talent. The sox can hit but can’t pitch and the phillies are the opposite. Honestly I’m not sure what either team should do come Trade deadline time.