WEDNESDAY: The Phillies are sending signals that they're planning to make an initial offer for about $130MM over six years, Heyman reports. They appear to have had some conversations with Hamels in recent days.
MONDAY: It appears that the Phillies are planning to offer Cole Hamels a contract extension worth at least $120MM, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports. Though the Phillies hope to keep Hamels, people within the organization aren’t optimistic their forthcoming offer will convince the left-hander to sign a deal just a few months away from free agency.
Philadelphia left-hander Cliff Lee is in the second year of a five-year, $120MM contract that will likely come up in contract talks between the Phillies and agent John Boggs. Some rival officials have suggested the Phillies might have to match Johan Santana’s six-year, $137.5MM contract to lock Hamels up, however. Meanwhile, MLB agents have suggested that Hamels could earn upwards of $150MM as a free agent.
More than 57% of 11,500 MLBTR readers say they don't expect the sides to reach a deal. Plenty of teams have interest in discussing trade options if the Phillies can't sign Hamels long-term.
they won’t reach a deal
you talked with Cole?
ha i wish
A lot fans seem to think they have the past 2 seasons on these forums. They know what kind of living situation he likes, when he’ll sign, what he’ll sign for, and what his wife thinks about different cities.
I heard from a friend of Cole’s parent’s friend who has met him once at a wedding that…he will probably not go to Cleveland.
His best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from
this guy who knows this kid who’s going with the girl who saw Cole talking about the dodgers at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it’s pretty serious.
There’s absolutely no chance he signs that. Why would he?
Equally helpful: Offering him $7.25/hour.
Either offer him 6 years or stop pretending.
uhhh how the hell does pay by the hour relate to sports. his monthly paycheck will be more than most make in a year
yaaaaaaaaaay sarcasm
*facepalm
I dont believe this… this is the first time i have seen the phillies numbers actually get out before they sign. this doesnt sound like its coming from the phillies
Last place teams shouldn’t offer below market contracts.
you mean they should offer monster deals? like when the Nats completely outbid the field for JWerth?
I doubt he signs. Rarely does a player sign with there respective club when there this close to free agency.
There could be a player option for 6th year at 24million. Of so 6/144 is something that’d be tough to turn down.
At some point I think it gets to be too much. That’s what he’d get as a free agent. Why give him so much now when they can trade him off for some prospects first.
“that Hamels could earn upwards of $150MM as a free agent” So the Giants got Cain for a bargain? HA! C’mon, pitchers pitch EVERY 5 DAYS without injury. Just look at how Kershaw has been affected by pitching through an injury. There will someday be SOME sense in this market. Phils should be glad he leaves for more than 5/120 when a guy with a (legit) perfect game this year, not a Beltran liner called foul no hitter, got less…
Yeah, someone should quick sign Dallas Braden, Jonathon Sanchez, and Armando Galarraga to a 100 million dollar contract before they hit the market!
Relatively speaking, I am going to say yes…he could have gotten 6/150 or more as a free agent.
Cain? I don’t see that deal without the perfecto, but after sure, no question he probably could’ve gotten CC $. Who’s to say what happens if he goes into the season without the contract though, as he said he wouldn’t really negotiate mid-season. There’s a lot to say that he got his deal and excelled because of it. Whereas another Giants pitcher Zito got the same amount guaranteed and is just now pitching to save grace. I’m not sure Hamels won’t end up looking closer to the latter than the former if the deal gets up into the 150 range. Only CC has the durability to pull something like that off.
He pitched a perfect game after he signed a contract? Great for him.
Cliff Lee’s deal was really more like a 6-year, $135 million contract, because the 6th year is a vesting option that carries either a $15 million price tag or a $12.5 million buyout. Unless Lee is completely useless by then, whatever team owns him will almost certainly spring for the extra $15 million to keep him once they’ve ponied up the first $12.5 million.
This offer is pure face-saving on Amaro’s part. He has to know it won’t be enough but he’ll be able to turn around at the end of the day and say “See, we offered him Lee money and he walked”.
Bye Cole.
Oh so when you’re negotiating you always lead with the highest possible offer? LOL.
They’ve been negotiating on and off for 9 months…this is hardly the “lead” offer. This is the supposed “We’re serious and want to keep you” offer that has been rumored for days right before they will try to trade him rather than lose him to FA.
But yeah.
reports have been saying this would be the Phillies last real try to keep Hamels before looking to trade him.
They have 2 weeks until the trade deadline. There is plenty of time for back and forth left.
Why do you have to post like such a homer? I mean, you literally are in attack mode.
The low point offer was 4 years $25 million per. Clearly been established. The Phillies front office CAN do wrong.
A point that Rube has been determinedly proving over and over again since he became GM.
Sabathia got 7/161 as a 28 year-old back prior to the 2009 season, the same age Hamels is right now. With more money flowing into the game, I can easily see a team like the Dodgers offering 7/175, if not more.
I’ll be surprised if it’s offered, because if the Yankees are afraid of paying luxury tax in 2014, I can’t see the Phillies tying up so much money in so few players while still needingr. to fill out the rest of the 40-man roster.
In other words, I expect Hamels to not only be traded, but to test free agency.
Ruben Amaro Jr better be in the hot seat after this. The guy has no clue on how to evaluate a player’s worth.
He completely misread the market for Ryan Howard in 2010, Jonathan Papelbon in 2011, and now he’s done it for Cole Hamels… although this time, we’re going to lose him.
He better spend the savings on Cole Hamels wisely in the off season or he won’t be long in this town. I really don’t trust his ability to do so… which is why I have been adamant on signing Cole Hamels.
I don’t know if he misread the market on Howard…yes, the injury would have hurt his value, but it’s hard not to see a 100+ contract on the open market from a team.
Signing him a full 2 years early to a massive deal? Yeah, he misread it.
Howard wouldn’t have gotten anything close to that this off-season due to the injury. Healthy, he might have gotten that much total salary but it would have been at a lower AAV.
I don’t think he would’ve gotten much more than 5 years $100 million Maybe from LA but Fielder and Pujols were on the market for a long time before they got their money.
Unbiased question: do you really want Hamels to stay a Phil for more than 5/120 (excluding options)?
Not necessarily. I wanted them to be more aggressive early on. They never got beyond offering him 4 years.
I wouldn’t give him a record breaking contract. Santana money? Yes.
hamels is probably worth 25 a year, the issue is years for me. If I am paying max market in AAV than I dont think Id want to go seven years. It all depends on who they spend the money on. losing a guy who produces at 25 a year and replacing him with a guy or guys who together produce that amount as well is not a big deal.
The Phillies have 140M tied up in 8 players for 2013 already. Throw another 25M at Hamels and that brings it to 165M for 9 players. With a payroll like that, expect them to sign retreads and reclaimation projects to fill out the other 16 positions on their team for next to nothing. When the team finishes last, due to that fact, everyone can say, but… but… the Phillies will have nine players making 165M a season. Even the Yankees aren’t that stupid and they are trying to shed bad contracts, so they can try to get under the 187M luxury tax plateau by 2014.
Just an observation, but if the team is last in the NL east with those same nine players that will cost 165M in 2013, what makes the fans think they will do better next year, as age and injuries to old players continues to handicap them? lol. The players aren’t going to become twice the player they currently are, just because payroll is higher. lol
TV deal is a couple years buddy…there is no salary cap for the Phils aha
Yes they have some revenue coming in, but just because they have it doesn’t mean they should hand out ludacris contracts to all their starters…
Baseball is a business and in order to attain success on the field year after year you have to be financially responsible as well. They need to develop more players to give them the ability to have stars on the team.
Ludacris contracts? The rapper?
I believe that the Phillies under Amaro are shooting for a 500 million payroll and will try to sign the 1993 all-star team.
Next step:
~Rube walks into the clubhouse~
“Good news guys, I activated myself!”
Like Roger Dorn in Major League 2?
My prediction: He resigns–7 years, 150 mil, GUARANTEED, but backloaded–$15 mil in 2013-14; $20 mil in 2015; and $25 mil for 2016-19. It allows the Phils some payroll flexibility while the Halliday and Lee contracts play out. The Phils are due for a new TV deal with Comcast in 2015 and it is imperative that they keep their best pitcher if they want to maximize that new deal
TV deals don’t mean a team is going to have a $300 Million dollar payroll. There is still Luxury tax you have to worry about.
This is just a prelude to trading Cole. The Phillies need to make it appear to the fans that they at the very least made a good offer before trading him. It’s also why the numbers are leaking out.
Hamels is going to stay with Philly.
So in other words, Cain gets less $$ than Hamels, even though Cain’s more durable, more consistent, and has better all around numbers (forget the Wins).
Man, Sabes lookin’ more and more like a genius, the Melky trade, and the Cain team discount contract!
Whoo hoo! Great to be a G’s fan!
You still have Barry Zito. Genius!
How is Cain more durable? They have almost the exact same innings pitched average.
Or rather how is Hamels not durable?
The Phillies need up and comers!
For the life of me, I don’t understand why the Phillies aren’t working harder looking for valuable prospects to help them re-load in a year or so. Rather than having one of the highest payrolls in baseball and nothing to show for it in 2012.
Yeah, they looked good last night and Halladay can still pitch, I just think it’s the Nationals year this year. I mean Phillies fans have nothing to cry about. Although, in talking to some of them in person, they do feel differently than I do, but they really don’t.
you do realize that he is only 27 right
Actually strike that. Looking through their stats, they are absurdly even in most major categories (except wins and percentage). Their only major difference is one is a lefty and plays for a GM that tends to overpay players.
well he got his year is 21.6 per year for 6yrs enough to keep Hamels maybe…
The Phillies are on the wrong side of age. They should trade him and load up on prospects for the future
Umm. he’s 28. He’s exactly what they need.
They are close with these numbers…
I think 6/132 plus an option for 7/150
Times starting to run short for the Phillies if they want to make this happen.
These new forum changes are Disqussting!
They sign him, trade everyone else, build around lee, halladay, hamels, rollins, utley, howard, ruiz, in the offseason… You can bring in FAs if you have those 3 pitchers
Matt Cain’s deal is looking even better!
I doubt he accepts this offer. Why would he? He would get this much at the very least on the FA market, and I’m sure some team (namely the Dodgers) would offer him CC money, maybe even more.
Jeez. I see the Dodgers shelling out just as much, it just depends on whether Hamels wants a change in scenery or not.
As a fan of a division rival, I see this as a win-win situation.
Either the Phillies can’t resign him and he’s no longer in the division, or the Phillies do resign him, but further handicap themselves with another huge contract.
Kind of like the Nats did with Werth and Zimmerman.
Minus the Nationals actually having young talent and payroll flexibility.