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Hanley, Lee, Nolasco, Choate Drawing Interest

By Ben Nicholson-Smith | July 24, 2012 at 10:27am CDT

The Marlins traded Omar Infante and Anibal Sanchez to Detroit yesterday in what could be the first in a series of trades. Marlins officials have told other teams they are “open for business,” Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports. Hanley Ramirez, Carlos Lee, Josh Johnson, Ricky Nolasco and Randy Choate are already drawing trade interest.

The Marlins intend to complete trades that make sense from an on-field perspective, Rosenthal reports. Miami, which now has a 45-51 record, isn’t looking to dump salaries. The Marlins will absolutely try hard to move Heath Bell, but they’re not optimistic about the chances of completing a trade involving their newly-signed closer, Rosenthal reports. Bell is in the first year of a three-year, $27MM contract signed last offseason. 

The Athletics have jumped into trade talks for Ramirez, Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports (on Twitter). The Blue Jays and Red Sox are also involved, according to Nightengale. The Marlins are open to moving Ramirez, but they’re likely to keep Johnson, who’s coveted by other teams.

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  1. vtadave

    9 years ago

    Perhaps the Dodgers would be willing to take Bell’s bad contract in order to lessen the prospect hit that a guy like Hanley Ramirez would require.

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    • Dodgersarelife

      9 years ago

      That w

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    • Dodgersarelife

      9 years ago

      That would work if we became involved In a bidding war.

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  2. DempseyK

    9 years ago

    Although Bonafacio is who I really want from the fish, I would love to see the Pirates make a splash and acquire Carlos Lee and Hanley Ramirez…would actually tickle me pink.

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    • Oilcanoworms

      9 years ago

      Go Pirates!!

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    • Mauck98

      9 years ago

      I don’t think the pirates can’t afford to take on Hanleys 14+ million salary over he next 2 years. But I like the Carlos Lee move or them. But I like Bryan LaHair better, cheaper plus controllable for the next few years at reasonable numbers.

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    • Brian_Bixler

      9 years ago

      I would definitely take Hanley as our new short-stop. At the beginning of the season I thought Barmes was supposed to be an upgrade over Ronny Cedeno. Although Cedeno’s been assigned a bench role, statistically speaking he’s been a much better hitter than Barmes and the Pirates need so much more offensive production at nearly every position.

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  3. James Coughlin

    9 years ago

    If the Marlins get a good offer on JJ they should move. The guy can’t stay healthy.

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  4. MetsEventually

    9 years ago

    Marlols. Can’t wait until Reyes is the next trade subject they have.

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    • MetsMagic

      9 years ago

      Reyes isn’t coming back.

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  5. Lefty

    9 years ago

    If the A’s acquired Hanley and If Hanley got his act together.
    A’s would be a very dangerous team.
    I wouldn’t want to play them in a wild card, much less a divisional playoff series.

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    • TheReturnOfMrBlanks

      9 years ago

      You think Beene wants to take on that contract?

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      • Fifty_Five

        9 years ago

        Yeah I can’t see that. I think Beane seems more likely to bring in someone cheaper and while their value is down like Yunel Escobar. Still obviously an upgrade over what they have though

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  6. Ryne Scherffius

    9 years ago

    Carlos Lee is already in trade talks AGAIN this month.

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    • rainyperez

      9 years ago

      Well just make sure there is cattle wherever he is going.

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  7. joeybw

    9 years ago

    I have been saying for years now, if there is one manager and clubhouse that will make Hanley care less about Hanley and more about the team for once. Something magical goes on in that clubhouse and we can use a bat bad, not to mention a guy who knows 3B and SS. He’s not a gold glover at either spot but is sure an upgrade for the Rays if Evan is in fact dead.

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  8. Citos_City

    9 years ago

    Yunel and youngster or 2 is well worth Hanley. But as we all know if the Blue Jays have been mentioned it ain’t happening for us, so we will have to wait for Happ to pan out in the pen. So much for “signing a free agent or making a big trade when the fans come out”… Pretty sure we are +5000 fans per game(number I heard recently not sure how accurate it is) this year over last but I guess that’s not enough.

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    • rikersbeard

      9 years ago

      not sure why the jays would prefer Hanley to Escobar at this point. AT least Yunel can play solid D.

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      • Citos_City

        9 years ago

        Solid d maybe, but a definite upgrade in batting and not that far off in defending Yunel has 9 E’s to Hanley’s 8 so I think we could make that move without hurting ourselves too much

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        • vtadave

          9 years ago

          You didn’t just use errors to compare guys defensively right?
          Escobar is a well above-average SS.
          Hanley is a well below-average 3B who probably belongs in LF or at DH.

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          • Citos_City

            9 years ago

            Absolutely not there is way more to it but I’m not about to post their career defensive numbers I’m only stating that it’s not that much of a set back at SS all things considered(batting, defense, etc…)

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            • rikersbeard

              9 years ago

              but that is exactly the point. It is a huge set back defensively (check out the defensive metrics), a set back that cannot be justified given Hanley’s diminished offensive production. Add in the salary differences and it is hard to see how this could possibly make sense let alone be an “upgrade.”

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              • Citos_City

                9 years ago

                .302 ba over the past 3 seasons is far from diminished and do you think putting him a short is the same as leaving a glove in the field? He can still field baseballs he’s not as bad as you’re making him sound.

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                • rikersbeard

                  9 years ago

                  I don’t know where you are getting that BA from. Because it doesn’t match with what FG or BR are saying. Also why would I care about BA.

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              • Citos_City

                9 years ago

                I do agree about the salary. But add in some minors and they could make it work, AA is an artist with contracts I wouldnt put it past him to hose the marlins in a deal who apparently do have too much regard to what they pay their players (bell)

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      • $5427573

        9 years ago

        Because even in a down year Hanley is hitting better than Yunel

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        • rikersbeard

          9 years ago

          unless you look at last year. Also compare the WAR between both players over the last three seasons. 2010 was terrible for Yunel and he has still been way more valuable as in more than twice as valuable.

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    • Matthew Mueller

      9 years ago

      I wonder if Hanley can play 2nd. I would some to have Hanley and Yunel as the middle infield for the next 3 years

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      • Citos_City

        9 years ago

        That could work too but I think Yunel is a better trade chip while not giving up too much in terms of minor leaguers.

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        • BeenThereDoneIt

          9 years ago

          i see a 3 way trade coming… Hanley to the A’s< Johnson to the Jays< prospects to the Marlins. Could work

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          • jacks100

            9 years ago

            For starters, that’s not a 3 way trade.

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      • Catztradamus

        9 years ago

        honestly Philly is such a fit for Hanley its sick.

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    • rdillon99

      9 years ago

      The Jays’ attendance is up approximately 4200 per game over last season, but they are still only 21st in the league in attendance.

      In any case, the team never said that they would necessarily make a big free agent splash or a big trade once the fans start coming out. What Beeston said was that the team would support a larger payroll once the economics makes sense.

      There are many way of increasing payroll besides signing a free agent, such as by extending the team’s own players to long term contracts (like the team has done with Morrow and Encarnacion this year), spending money on the draft (like the Jays have done this year by spending within $341 of their draft allotment), etc.

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      • Citos_City

        9 years ago

        Heard that wrong then thanks for the clarification.

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    • Lunchbox45

      9 years ago

      why would the marlins want yunel when they have reyes?

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  9. TyMxx

    9 years ago

    Why any free agent goes to the Miami is beyond me. They jump at any chance to start over. Yes, this crop isn’t working but come on now. There’s no reason to gut the team. Lee, Choate, Nolasco, yeah i get it but Hanley? Not to mention they’re trying to field offers on who might take Reyes and/or Bell? Why even bother signing them in the first place? I guess fire sales are what they do best tho. I feel for their fans.

    It would be nice to see Oakland snag a big name like Hanley. I know it’ll take quite a bit to get him but I hope they don’t sell the farm to do so. It’s what keeps them going year in and year out.

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    • rainyperez

      9 years ago

      I feel for the Miami fans now. After just less than one season of opening up their stadium they have to endure a fire sale? With all the talk of selling pieces I’m surprised Mark Buehrle name is not mentioned he would be a great pickup for a contending team’s rotation although the salary would be a problem. If Marlins would eat half of that I could see a good return coming back for him

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      • TyMxx

        9 years ago

        Absolutely. Who knows though. Maybe they’re just seeing what the market is for these guys. One things for certain, a trade for Hanley would take a serious package in return.

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  10. Tired_OF_FakeRumors

    9 years ago

    Wouldnt be sirprised if they were shopping Reyes like crazy.

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    • SaberFacts

      9 years ago

      I would way rather a trade for Reyes than Hanley

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  11. OaklandFan22

    9 years ago

    Come on Billy, we need a shortstop!

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    • SaberFacts

      9 years ago

      Not sure if he can play ss anymore

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      • Pawsdeep

        9 years ago

        Doesn’t really appear to have the ability to play third either.

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        • genius.gm.on.mlb.the.showbaybombers

          9 years ago

          1st base?

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          • melonis_rex

            9 years ago

            better off sticking with the 1B platoon at league minimum instead of giving up prospects + money for hanley to play 1B.

            if the A’s trade for him, it should/will be because they think he can play SS/3B at a passable rate.

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    • Red_Line_9

      9 years ago

      I’m thinking he trys to make a move for Yunel Escobar.

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      • Lunchbox45

        9 years ago

        Why would Yunel be moved? who would play SS for the Jays?
        Hechavarria is a replacement level batter at best.

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        • Red_Line_9

          9 years ago

          I was thinking of a potential three-way deal where the Jays would acquire Hanley Ramirez…but that is off the table now.
          It’s been reported that Beane has an interested in Escobar, and that Toronto feels that Hechavarria can hold down the SS job.

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  12. gohlkusmaximus

    9 years ago

    I would LOVE to see HanRam as an A!

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  13. 55saveslives

    9 years ago

    Does a “No Trade Clause” cancel out if it’s waived once? I.E. Carlos Lee

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    • rainyperez

      9 years ago

      It would be ironic if he gets traded to L.A.

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    • hardcoreforhardcore

      9 years ago

      I don’t believe so. I know his no trade is limited, though.

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    • Red_Line_9

      9 years ago

      Many times a player receives an exercised option if he does waive his no-trade rights.

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  14. swing1

    9 years ago

    Hanley to the Jays would be nice. Upgrade over Yunel (or KJ if we can push Yunel to second base). I’m sure the Jays hitting coaches could unlock even more batting potential.

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    • Red_Line_9

      9 years ago

      Yunel Escobar to A’s and Hanley Ramirez to Toronto.

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    • Lunchbox45

      9 years ago

      I’d take yunel playing SS over ramirez. Hanley isn’t a SS anymore.

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      • rikersbeard

        9 years ago

        thank you, why don’t people see this?

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        • Citos_City

          9 years ago

          Because he’s only been a 3 bagger for like 90 games or so…

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          • Lunchbox45

            9 years ago

            his lack of experience at 3B doesn’t make him qualified to play short anymore.

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          • redsox927

            9 years ago

            Yes, he’s “only been a 3 bagger for 90 games” but that doesn’t mean he hasn’t been a SS for at least 2.5 years… There is a difference b/t playing SS and being a SS.

            On a competitive team with strong management Hanley would have been a 3B (or corner OF possibly) for much longer than 90 games.

            Toronto wants no part of Hanley at SS… Yunel is 3 times the defensive player. If they had both, Hanley would play 2B or DH; depending on whether they like Kelly Johnson or Hanley better in the field.

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    • SaberFacts

      9 years ago

      the jays should be trading hitting for pitching, not trying to acquire more hitting

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  15. Hoosierdaddy92

    9 years ago

    Cubs send Alfonso Soriano and Bryan LaHair for LoMo and Heath Bell. After the Marlins trade Carlos Lee, LaHair becomes their new 1b. LoMo replaces Soriano in LF. Heath Bell and Carlos Marmol can battle it out for the closing gig.

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    • johnsilver

      9 years ago

      Why would the Fish want either LaHair or Soriano?

      They already can’t move bell, so why take Soriano as a trade off and if they wanted a 1b who can’t hit one P or the other (as in LH or RH) they would recall Gaby Sanchez, who at least has (had) a 2 year track record of hitting prior to 2012 at the MLB level..

      Marlins just give the Cubs LoMo for free??

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    • TophersReds

      9 years ago

      This proposal doesn’t warrant a response other than a straight up ‘not going to happen, Cubs fan.’

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  16. JozayJays

    9 years ago

    Where would Hanley fit in with the Jays? I guess they move Escobar to second and have Hanley play Short. I would include Hech in a deal for Ramirez.

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  17. Drew Stock

    9 years ago

    Ok, the Marlins are bad this year, but fire sale bad?

    They just signed all these guys. What happened to building up the franchise?

    Did they honestly think they would contend the first year by signing a handful of players?

    Keep it in perspective Fish; your bullpen has probably cost you a winning record.

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  18. Larry DePaoli

    9 years ago

    Guess they’re not drawing as well as they thought they would at their shiny new stadium.

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  19. Lunchbox45

    9 years ago

    A team willing to take on Bell & his contract could probably get ramirez or johnson on the cheap

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    • TheReturnOfMrBlanks

      9 years ago

      Padres send Street/Headley/Venable to Fish for Bell/Hanley/Boniface – Stick Boniface in CF and Hanley in RF and start paying some real dough for a couple contracts.

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  20. rikersbeard

    9 years ago

    To any Jays fans who think they want Hanley Ramirez, go check out his stats. He is not the player he was in 2009. He has been for about as long as Adam Lind has been bad. Ramirez cannot play any position defensively well. He is getting paid way too much for his recent production (2010-12). He has no real spot on jays, (his offense does not play at DH).

    Consider all of those things, and then reflect on whether it would make any sense to move Yunel to make room for Ramirez. It just sounds like madness.

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    • rainyperez

      9 years ago

      Well the risk you take is that Hanely’s numbers will increase after a change of scenery.

      Miami’s park isn’t really hitter friendly so moving to Roger’s might increase his HRs. He’ll also have the benefit of Lawrie and Bautista protecting him so it could be good for the Jays. Right now Hanely’s value is low so its low risk/high reward for the Jays.

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      • rikersbeard

        9 years ago

        The risk depends on what you have to give up to get him. If it is anything valuable, then it is a huge risk. IF it is not anything valuable, then why do the marlins move him?

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  21. rsanchez1

    9 years ago

    Please move Hanley Ramirez and Heath Bell. It would be good if they can move Lee for better prospects than they gave away to get him.

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  22. homerthehomie

    9 years ago

    Imagine the Red Sox pull off a move similar to the one that got Hanley to Miami in the first place, and grab him and Johnson for some prospects and Hanley’s contract? Oh how interesting that would be…

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  23. Ben Durkee

    9 years ago

    People are really remembering that the A’s are the 5th richest ownership group in the MLB, they don’t spend money on players right now because whats the point of spending money in a crappy stadium where you may or not be competitive with a line up of big names.

    I am really enjoying this season as an A’s fan though, and if they are able to get a player like Hanley, I would hope for the best. Lets go Oakland!

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  24. jondogg2010

    9 years ago

    Here’s an intriguing trade idea: Bos gets SP Johnson, 3B/SS Ramirez RP Bell for SP Dubront SS Iglesias. As I’ve said many times before, I have a Sox tat. I’m a seriously die-hard fan. I’m over Iglesias. I’m over the idea that SS HAS to be a defensive mided position. Lets get Ramirez (back) and move him to his natural position, and turn Aviles into a utility guy. Dubront has been our best starter, but trade him while he’s hot.

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  25. dustin

    9 years ago

    I’d love to see.Hanley go. He’s one.big lazy child. LAZY LAZY LAZY. The only reason his.bat hasn’t recovered is because like the 5 year old child he’s crossing his arms and stomping his foot until he gets what he wants….but the marlins simply won give it to him (to play short stop). He’s the only major league I’ve ever seen who looks as if you’re inconveniencing him by asking him tobtakebat bats and play the field. Its pathetic. I’d be overjoyed to finally see the love affair between Jeffrey loria and Hanley come to an end…more than increasing payroll ever did
    Jettisoning Hanley will provearlins ownership/management is getting its ish together.

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