The Marlins positioned themselves as sellers earlier today when they traded Omar Infante and Anibal Sanchez to the Tigers for a package of prospects highlighted by Jacob Turner, and it doesn't sound like they're stopping there. In talking to teams around the league, Scott Miller of CBS Sports hears that the Marlins have "never been more open" to the idea of trading long-time franchise cornerstone Hanley Ramirez.
As Miller notes, the Fish don't feel they're far from contending, they simply have soured on a mix of players that has underperformed. Ramirez's most recent antics, in which he punched a cooling fan in the dugout, now have him unavailable to play. Ramirez stopped taking medication for the cut he sustained, which has led to an infection in his hand.
Ramirez is signed through 2014 and will make $15.5MM in 2013 and $16MM in 2014. The former MVP candidate is batting just .246/.322/.430 with 14 homers and 14 steals.
Miller was told by a source familiar with the Marlins' thinking that they are likely to hang onto right-hander Josh Johnson, who was scouted heavily tonight. Unlike Sanchez, Johnson has one year of team control left, which is why the Marlins preferred to move Sanchez. Johnson will earn $13.75MM in 2013 — the final year of a four-year, $39MM pact he signed prior to the 2010 season.
Randy Choate, who is finishing up a two-year contract, is also expected to be traded prior to the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline, according to Miller. The 34-year-old lefty slayer has pitched to a 2.19 ERA in 24 2/3 innings and held same-handed hitters to a minuscule .136/.188/.169 triple slash line. Choate signed a two-year, $2.5MM deal in December of 2010.
I wouldn’t mind seeing the Phillies make a run at Hanley. Not sure what’s fair for him anymore as he’s underperformed for two years now.
Putting him in our veteran clubhouse might help turn his attitude around.
The Phillies are 14 games back, why would they trade for Hanley? And where does he play? Also, how are they going to pay for him especially if they extend Hamels? Makes no sense.
I forgot there wasn’t a 2013 season.
And he plays where? And they pay him how?
They need a third baseman.
They’d pay him with whatever money’s left by not resigning Victorino, Polanco, etc… i don’t know. If Hamels gets signed I wouldn’t be surprised to see Lee dealt to Texas… or maybe they trade Pence (which wouldn’t make sense because then we’d need a RF… idk).
I doubt it happens anyway so it’s moot. He’s not the type of player the Phillies target.
and Hamels?
Hamels is going to be signed…
Don’t be so sure of that. He wants his big pay day and I fully expect him to test the market. Why wouldn’t he? Starting pitching is so sought after he will make 20M more easily than he would if he signed right now with Philly.
Grienke’s stock hasn’t changed. Infante got the marlins Turner.
would love to see Marlins land Carl Crawford in blockbuster deal.
why craw needs tommy john after the season
Position players can generally play through the injury, and he could have the surgery in October and be ready for spring training (the recovery time is only a few months for position players).
you and every red sox fan…
Crawford for Reyes?
I’m half kidding, and I’m not really sure how I’d feel about that deal because, while Reyes is cheaper (although the Red Sox could send money to make up the difference) and younger, he has had several leg injuries and a ton of his value comes from his speed.
And crawford’s value comes exactly from what?
Also his legs, but did you miss the first part of that sentence? “he has had several leg injuries” and Crawford never has, that was my point.
Mariners are a good fit…
I think desperate is a better term than open
Hanley belongs in the orange and black, would fill the need for a right handed bat, could play 3rd and move Pablo to first, or fill the desperate need the Giants have for a Shortstop. Do it Sabean!
i already a die hard but this would top it all off..crawford blows and belt im sure would be appreciated by marlin fans
They already have too many first baseman.
Lmao what would you give up for him? Your minor league system is thin lol
package crick joeseph and belt or shierholtz
I don’t think Zito would accept the trade though
Sabean might be able to do it but it might take Crick and maybe a Brown to get it done unfortunately. Giants can keep Blackburn who looks to be something special and the steal of the draft.
Could the Giants afford him? Honestly, I think they are better off without him.
He’s a struggling slugger while owed a lot of money in the next couple of years. This does not include the talents and players it takes to obtain him. Will the benefits he brings outweighs the risks and cost? I kind of doubt it.
The Mariners just go rid of a $16m contract… Marlin fans, what would the team want in a deal for Hanley. What are their needs?
3B, 1B/LF, CF, C, 2B, pitching…pretty much anything at this point
Would the Marlins be more interested in salary relief or higher level prospects?
Honestly, I have no clue what they are more interested in but if they should be more interested in top prospects. This organization always finds a way to be different, though.
The owner is in love with Hanley and since we need help next season and seem to have money now i would bet they would eat money for elite prospects.
^This.
What is HRam’s problem on the field? Is it all mental / attitude or are his physical skills diminishing too?
What kind of package would it take?
HanRam is just not hitting, he is trying to hit everything out, and pressing with men on. He is putting the work in but is unable to hit at an acceptable level.
as for package I would expect the marlins to be looking for 1 great prospect. ideally pitching, but a CF major league ready prospect would get it done. it could also take a 3B prospect. Young is the key, this is not a money dump, this is a dissatisfaction with success on the field. parting ways would be the best way to get something in return and give hanley an opportunity to turn it around.
I would say the teams around MLB have more leverage. It’s no longer a SSS with Hanley anymore. You are talking about $31 million a team would have to take on or maybe half of that. Nevertheless teams will simply point out his declining stats, defense, and percieved attitude problem from outsiders looking in.
I would gladly take King Felix for Hanley.
The Redsox need a shortstop
Hanley’s not really a SS
Let’s be honest, neither is Aviles, but Hanley would just add to the stock full of clubhouse cancers currently plaguing that team.
Aviles has been a well above average defender at SS given the chance to play every day this year.
And he’s been productive offensively as well. Oh, sure, his OBP stinks. And his AVG is mediocre. But he does hit some HR’s and drives in a surprisingly high number of runs for a guy in his position.
Thus, on the whole, I’d say that Aviles has done a very serviceable job for the Sox at SS this season.
Well, he’s been well below average overall offensively (and I personally can’t stand watching him play – I really don’t even know why, he just bugs me), but yeah he’s been pretty solid there overall (he’s on pace for 3.3 WAR).
He has been very clutch with RISP hitting at .335 or in that area, but when I think of SS’s you gotta be saving more runs than he has thus far
His defense has actually been pretty good this year. How he has hit with RISP is a really small sample size though, so it’s hard to say that it’s anything more than randomness.
For Beckett?
No, they don’t. Aviles, while hardly spectacular offensively or defensively, has been entirely serviceable at SS. And if anything, replacing him with Hanley would make the Sox worse at SS, not better.
Alexei Ramirez + c level prospect For hanley
You’re dreaming.
Although his defense at short is not good to say the least, i would gladly tolerate some miscues at short to put Clint Barmes on the bench and stop him from collecting 3-5 AB’s per night. It is absolute torture to watch him hit (or try to)
I doubt the Marlins trade Hanley until this winter at the earliest.
It’ll take a team with a lot of patience, a lot of payroll space and a flexible DH spot, as Hanley’s awful at both short and third and you can’t just throw him in the outfield in the middle of a pennant/wild card race.
The O’s would have been a fit before they traded for Thome. The A’s could have been a fit, but they don’t want to trade prospects and they don’t need a prima donna, former super star screwing up the good thing they have going on right now. Also, that contract would be a stretch for them. Who else…? Maybe Boston. Maybe an NL team that doesn’t have any better options at short/third.
Anyway… Due to the contract, the year and a half long slump, the attitude issues and the fact that he doesn’t have a position, it just seems like the Marlins will be able to get better value for him in the winter when he can put this season behind him, start fresh and get familiar with the outfield during spring training.
Hanley has been really good at third base, and in only his first year. You obviously haven’t seen him play this year.
Actually I heard a rumor that the Diamond backs were willing to trade Justin Upton for Hanley seeing as Upton is apparently disgruntled w the team and they need a 3rd baseman look out for that deal
giants will take him
Would love to see the A’s get hanley. We have the chips.
Cespedes please!
Thinking out loud here. Could Hanley play left? I mean the reds need a leadoff or 4 hole hitter. Hanley would fit nicly between Votto and Bruce. What would it take to get him? Didi and another top twenty prospect?
He would fit well at first base with the Angels and would likely be served by Pujols’s spicy latin leadership. The Marlins dont have a leg to stand on with a guy being paid like a superstar, underperforming, acting like a brat and their public comments about their desire to move him. I think something simple like Hellweg or Cron plus Callapso gets the job done.
Imagine running through Trout, Hunter, Pujols, Trumbo, Rameriez! That is a brutal stretch.
Do you or other people on this thread realize that he has been below league average as hitter since the end of 2010? The guy needs to show he can still play before the Marlins get anything of value back (aside from maybe salary relief).
His career numbers prove he can hit. He’s just in a bad slump, that his poor attitude isn’t allowing him to get out of. You don’t put up the numbers he has over his career by luck. Hanley needs a veteran ball club that can straighten his you know what out. A few years ago, I’d say, sure Boston would be that place. As of today, I would love them to have him, but is he really worth the potential headache to a team that already has some locker room issues (whether denied or not it’s clear there are unhappy campers on the team). First bad judgement and Bobby V would rip him. Not sure it would work in Boston, yet I wish it would. Ideally, they put together a nice big package and acquire him and Johnson and everything gets better. Oh, if it were that easy.
lets be honest, he hasn’t been the same since his shoulder injury. && he’s lost his short stroke for a much longer uppercut swing trying to hit homeruns every AB.
Morales and Callapso for Han Ram? He would be served to learn from Pujols’s caliente latin leadership.
I surely hope that’s not what they get in return for him.
LTrade Hanley, keep JJ. This is exactly what I as a Marlins fan want to hear. Here’s hoping they follow through with it.
Beckett, Punto, Lars Anderson and Iglesias
For
Ramirez and Johnson
The Marlins would certainly need more if they’re giving up Johnson. And before you attack me, I’m a sox fan realizing that is not a fair or possible deal at all.
Johnson ERA in low fours in NL
Beckett ERA in mid fours in AL
Anderson is the Sox former top prospect and is looking decent this year in AAA, was looking much better before 0 HR is July.
Iglesias is the 4th best prospect in the Sox system and is known for the defense not the offense.
If Ramirez has negative value than I see this as fair value IF the Red Sox took on his entire salary while paying for a portion of Becketts.
Salaries aside Johnson for Beckett and Anderson is a wash.
If Ramirez is as disfunctional as he is being made out to be, getting the 4th best prospect in system and a warm body is a wash.
You really tried to defend your logic with ERA? You already failed to prove a poiint since ERA is far from the whole picture.
If I were the Pirates, I would try making a move for Hanley. It would resolve the non-production issue from the shortstop position as well as the middle of the order power bat.
what wouold the pirates have to give up for him?
With Chipper Jones leaving ATL after this year, It’s possible Hanley could be a Brave.
ha, worst fit possible.. if braves couldnt handle escobar, i doubt they would put up with hanley
Haha you are probably right. Did Freddie have problems with is former player? Im trying to remember.
LOL. Gonzalez made the problem WORSE if anything.. he simply went along with anything Loria wanted and let Ramirez act like a child. Jack mcKeon at least stood up to Ramirez and told him NO which made him pout, then go cry to his “daddy” Jeff Loria.
I know the Marlins and Tigs already made a trade and that the Tigs may not have anything left to offer but I think Hanley would be a great fit in Detroit. Give him his old spot at SS back (he’s just as good a fielder as Peralta) and he would be with good friend and off-season workout pal Cabrera. A change of scenery would do Ramirez good. What would they need in return? How about a package of Peralta, Boesch, and prospect Oliver. Throw in Rayburn to sweeten the deal (haha). It’s far fetched but the Marlins get out of under that huge contract of an under-performing player and get the Tigers #2 pitching prospect and three MLB everyday players. Just a thought…
The Red Sox would trade Carl Crawford for Hanley. They now have a glut of young outfielders but could use a more consistent everyday shortstop. I think Carl would like to be back in the sunshine state.