Andy Pettitte will return to the mound against the Blue Jays tonight — assuming the Yankees aren't rained out in New York. Meanwhile, the Mets will start Matt Harvey against the Phillies at Citizens Bank Park. Here are today's New York Notes…
- Ike Davis was surprised and confused to hear that the Mets are concerned about his nightlife, Andy Martino of the New York Daily News reports. “I have never missed games or not been ready to work because of anything to do with staying up too late,” Davis told Martino. Adam Rubin reported today that the Mets will consider trade offers for Davis, in part because they have questions about his lifestyle.
- Andy McCullough of the Star-Ledger suggests the Mets will consider trading any player not named David Wright this winter (Twitter link). The Mets will reportedly consider trades for Davis and Lucas Duda this offseason.
- Joel Sherman of the New York Post explains how Derek Jeter’s durability impacts other players on the 2012 Yankees. Jeter's hitting .323/.366/.444 in a league-leading 665 plate appearances.
The problem is that the Mets SHOULD trade Wright, and keep the cheaper talent.
What talent? Duda, Davis, Murphy, Valdespin, Edgin, Ramirez, Niewenhies, Thole, Nickeas? This isnt MLB talent, its barely AAA.
30HRs plays pretty much anywhere man. I’m referring to Davis who had a collosal slump in the first half combined with valley fever.
Only 7 HRs at Citi Field and a .223 batting average should be unacceptable but if one of these guys has to stay then yes it should be Davis. They all strike out more than the elephant man at a singles bar.
David Wright has only hit 30 HRs at CitiField over the last 4 years. Should the Mets get rid of him too?
The geniuses who moved the right centerfield wall so that Wright’s HR totals would be cut by half at home are to blame for that.
David hit more HR when the dimensions were BIGGER in 2010 than he did this year…
this year he had no concussion…no back injury…smaller dimensions and less HR…
stop the excuses
I agree, it was kind of a hit head on wall (and I’m not even a Mets fan) comment.. because they don’t have talent.
…Murphy statiscally is in the top 5 of more than a few offensive categories among all 2B
Davis is set to hit 30 + HR in a year where he was recovering from High Valley Fever…
Tejada is a pretty solid infielder…
Niese has been developing nicely as well…
Harvey looks like he might be pretty decent…
not to mention they say Wheeler is better than Harvey…
Thats 3 infielders and 3 SP…
top 5 of more than a few offensive categories among all 2B He’s 13th in WOBA, and would be 10th if i took away a few non regulars. 7th in WRC, 11th in obp, 8th in slg. The only thing i see him top 5 in is average…
Chris…are you sure you weren’t referring to the Astros and just confusing the names?
Lucas Duda is one of the worst outfielders in the league and his bat is barely passable at first base. Not to mention he is a below average fielder there as well.
It’s easy to see where both sides are coming from regarding Davis. The Mets are concerned that his decisions COULD lead to some consequences meanwhile Ike’s sitting there saying that it has never caused any problems before and isn’t planning on letting it become one. Interesting
Ike has hit .270 with 20+ HR in the past 50 games…
and NOW is when they want to bring up his “lifestyle” habits??
I think this is an excuse by the Mets so that rival clubs don’t think they want to trade him because fo his numbers. Let’s face facts boys and girls if he was putting up Mike Trout numbers and staying up until 11AM each morning no one would care
the report was from adam rubin not the mets. could be speculation for all we know.
until these reporters name sources and all that, I’m not going to believe it anymore – “someone” said “something” and Ike thinks he’s going to get traded – or wants to get traded – because of his potential nightlife … way to screw w/ someone’s head
As for Wright, sign him and hope that Upton wants to play with his friend – like Parise and Suter did in hockey (for a whole lot less I hope) so our outfield isn’t a bunch of 4th OF’s at best. If this team does well CONSISTENTLY, people will come out to watch .. If I want to watch a team like this, I’ll pay to see independent league teams
It’s an interesting strategy that the Mets are adopting. It seems that they want to trade away everyone and start fresh knowing that this mix isn’t effective?
yes…but before that…they trash the young player in the press…hoping that all GM’s are not gonna see it..
think they are doing it on purpose to distract people from his bad numbers but who knows could be a leak
I was having this discussion with a Mets fan in another Forum and this was the trade proposal:
Yankees trade Brett Gardner for Jon Niese…
He says the Mets lose by a long shot..
Honestly who wins this trade?
If you’re even asking the question, you’re a Yankee fan
Would care to explain how Jon Niese is much better than Gardner?
Why trade a cost controlled, solid #3 for a speedy outfielder with no power? Those types of OF aren’t that hard to come by on the free agent market – Bourn, Crisp, etc. Also I’ve always viewed Gardner as more of a complimentary player whereas if you watch Niese pitch, he’s pretty much solid night in and night out. According to fangraphs the Mets had the worst defense in baseball and he still put up a 3.50 ERA. Those types of pitchers aren’t that common, and usually teams have to pay through the nose for pitching, whether it’s in FA or in prospects.I’m not comparing Niese to Gio Gonzalez by any means, but if you look at what cost controlled starting pitching has brought in trades, it’s ALWAYS more than position playersPlus Niese is locked up for the rest of his life
For WAR lovers (I know there are many here), Jon Niese’s WAR this year is greater than CC Sabathia’s WAR. Plus Niese is 6X cheaper
funny you bring that up. here is niese’s 2012 rWAR: 2.6
here is his career rWAR – 5 seasons, 550 innings – including 2012: 2.5
truly a can’t-miss talent
WAR (whatever variation) is not an end-all, be-all stat.
Niese may not be a can’t-miss talent/future ace, but he’s a solid mid-rotation starter and definitely worth more than a light-hitting outfielder who is 3 years older, with just a single season with an OPS+ over 100, and has spent nearly the entire season on the DL.
Exactly I threw in the WAR stat because I was being facetious.
Number 4 starters are hard to come by, i wouldnt make the trade because Niese isnt a fa for a while but he is not more valuable than gardner.
right now…Niese had a 3.50 ERA on a team with no OF…a poor defensive catcher…a poor defensive 2B…Ike was poor at 1B this year…and Wright’s declining glove…
as i said before…put Niese on a good team and the kid wins 17 games…
Gardner has been out all year…and was not exactly hitting anywhere near .300 in a lineup full of all-stars…
Gardner in Queens would be Andres Torres
how close is gardner to being arb elig/ free agent…
how reliable is gardner to stay healthy…
how inflated are his stats considering he plays in a hitters ballpark surrounded by HOF
he hit .259 with barely any pop in that lineup…in Yankee Stadium, the same place where an ancient Johnny Damon damn near hit 30…he would make Andres Torres look like Carlos Beltran in Queens…
how much more ground would have to cover in Citifield playing CF than he does in Yankee Stadium playing LF…
Gardner by himself would not get it done…u would need to package one of ur young catchers ( gary sanchez )…
Niese is locked in at a very cheap rate for 4 more years i believe…
He’s a pretty decent lefty…put him on the yanks this year and he has 17 wins EASILY…
Damon’s max with the Yankees was 24. Damon’s max with the Sox was 20. So he showed he could hit some hr before he came to ny. Gardner is not a middle of the order hitter. His game is seeing alot of pitches and getting on base, so he can steal 50 bases.
Jon Niese is a much better pitcher than many give him credit for, the Mets do lose big here. Also Gardener has been injured all year why would anyone want to trade for him now
This is a trade I’d expect to hear a Yankee fan call up WFAN with at 4am…
Mets and Phillies are playing in Queens.
Listen to the Mets spin cycle try to justify bashing Ike Davis in the press…in an attempt to rally the fans against him and make the trade more popular… “Trading Ike would not be my preferred move. But, he can be a bit aloof, and I understand the argument from people who see him as a platoon player ” …this was FROM the Mets website…it is unreal how an organization trashes their own players…
He has had a pretty bad year this year. If he can return to his previous 2 years though he should be a really good offensive force. Makes no sense to sell him cheap right now, especially since he is still young.
well the high valley fever + missing all of last year probably had something to do with his slow start…
in the past 50 games, he’s hit .270 with 20 HR…sounds like he has it together now…
when he was hitting .150…they refused to send him to AAA…refused to hold him accountable for poor results…
he turns his season around…and now they trash him…
Thats the Wilpons logic in a nutshell
I have never seen fans create more excuses for a player than Met fans do for David Wright. Every day they play off his poor stats and decreasing ability with things like ‘face of the franchise’, really, the face of your franchise is every decreasing ability and never hitting in the clutch – oh I see it makes sense now !
epic mets fail once again, what is it with their front office trying to blame everything on Ike Davis this year, he is the only hitter they got outside overrated David Wright
…and that nice lil suburban section of the fan base that loves character guys who kiss the babies are partly to blame…
look at what one fan said today on adam rubin’s blog
Revis Long Island —-“I’m sick of trading players with real value for 2 no name latinos who end up sucking in the bullpen.”
Not sure why the ethnicity was even brought up…
…suburban section of the fan base…
Revis Long Island —-“I’m sick of trading players with real value for 2 no name latinos who end up sucking in the bullpen.”
Not sure why the ethnicity was even brought up…
I know what you mean. Friends who grew up in that region (but do not think that way) tell me that’s just code for “If he is someone who looks like me and people like me, he’s OK – he’s “one of ours.” If he is not “one of ours” he’s a “problem.”
Whatever the case, sounds like “Revis Long Island” forgot about that sucking sound coming out of the bullpen whenever the gate opens and Bobby Parnell trots out. Either way, this is a pretty pathetic way of thinking since the team is awful this year and most of the players are white now. You have to wonder when the excuses (and the cultural aspersions) are going to stop and fans are going to just face things for what they are? There is nobody (nobody!) on the team now who can carry them for any meaningful stretch – any more. That team just needs to be scrapped and rebuilt from scratch.
“You have to wonder when the excuses (and the cultural aspersions) are going to stop and fans are going to just face things for what they are?”
it will be a while…
I brought this up on their website more than a few times..and most of the folks there are in denial that this is even a problem…
IMO its the reason that aside from the Omar years…the mets have traditionally catered to the folks in Long Island who root for “character” guys who are “scrappy”..
this is why anyone who is:
dark
latino
outspoken/flamboyant
pretty much has a less than zero chance of having a 5-6 year run in Queens w/o being labeled a clubhouse cancer or some type of negative influence that has nothing tangible to it…
Gardner isn’t a fourth outfielder. He is a solid CF/LF with a good opb and very good speed.
Hairston’s obp is .300 though. On any good team that wouldn’t even get him into the lineup though. Gardner’s obp over past 3 years is up over .360 which is pretty good leading off.
Gardner is better than alot of CF.
Yes an offensive starter is better than a 3rd or fourth pitcher, with a fip close to 4 in the NL.
Gardner is CLEARLY a CF. He has been the best defensive OF in the MLB for the last 3 years.
Yes it would “nuts” for the mets to trade a pitcher with a career 4.10 ERA (while playing half of his game in citifield) that usually gives you a WAR of 2.0…… because that is SO hard to replace (sarcasm)
Gardner is better than Bourn. Same amount of power over their careers, but Gardner walks significantly more.
That makes no sense at all.
Please explain?