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Phillies Notes: Revere, Utley, Howard, Nola

By Steve Adams | May 21, 2015 at 3:19pm CDT

Ben Revere’s name has begun to surface in trade rumors, but the speedy outfielder tells Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com that he isn’t fazed by seeing his name floated as a trade candidate. Revere says that the talk isn’t distracting, characterizing it as something that every player has to deal with at some point. (I’d imagine that having been traded once in the past has prepared him somewhat as well.) “This is a business,” Revere says. “When [Cody] Asche and [Domonic Brown] come back we’re going to have a lot of outfielders and someone might be out. I just have to prepare to help my team win whether it’s here or somewhere else. Just bust my tail and try to stay in the lineup.” Salisbury adds that he, like others, hears that the Angels have indeed discussed Revere with the Phillies.

Some more Phillies notes…

  • Continuing to play Ryan Howard and Chase Utley could actually help the Phillies’ rebuild, opines MLB.com’s Todd Zolecki. Zolecki points out that in mid-April, fans wanted Howard to be benched, if not released, but he’s hitting .292/.346/.615 with eight homers in 27 games dating back to April 21. By demonstrating that level of production, Zolecki notes, Howard can only have helped his trade value. The same could eventually be said of Utley, who is struggling badly this year. The Phils have little to lose by continuing to run Utley out there, however, he argues. The club will have plenty of time to see Cesar Hernandez play in the coming years, and Utley isn’t blocking a top-tier prospect. While some are worried about triggering Utley’s vesting option, Zolecki notes that if he’s still hitting well below .200 come July, the team can very easily alter that pace in the second half of the season.
  • General manager Ruben Amaro Jr. and president Pat Gillick were on hand for yesterday’s Double-A Reading game, writes Ryan Lawrence of the Philadelphia Daily News, and the two saw a masterful performance by 2014 first-round pick Aaron Nola. The Phillies’ top decision-makers saw Nola fire seven shutout innings, allowing just four hits and a walk against seven strikeouts in an effort that dropped his ERA to 1.54 through 52 2/3 innings. However, Amaro said that the team is not yet ready to give Nola a look at the Major League level, Lawrence writes. “There are some things he needs to work on still,” said Amaro. “There’s some areas he’s continuing to work on. We continue to discuss and put together a plan for him. We’re in the middle of formulating that plan.” Amaro wouldn’t say what specific areas Nola needed to improve, but the GM did say that it was certainly within the realm of possibility that Nola would pitch in the Major Leagues this season.
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  1. ben_thayer_don_that

    10 years ago

    can we trade Ruin Tomorrow, Jr.? Maybe for a 1982 Phillies Frank?

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  2. APregnantWookie

    10 years ago

    The OF situation is pretty crowded. But, you wonder if Nava was designated for assignment, Napoli was reduced to the bench. Maybe the Red Sox work something out here for a trade involving Hamels & Revere. Obviously a HUGE trade thats not prolly gonna happen, but would kinda make sense. Get Hanley’s atrocious OF defense in the infield at 1st. Put Revere at LF, Castillo at RF, and that gives you a legit leadoff hitter in Revere with Betts batting 9th where the pressure is off and he could thrive more. Plus you get your ace.
    1) Revere LF
    2) Pedroia 2nd
    3) Ortiz DH
    4) Hanley 1st
    5) Sandoval 3rd
    6) Castillo RF
    7) Bogaerts ss
    8) Swihart C
    9) Betts CF
    That on paper is prolly one of the best run producing teams in baseball, but then again, playing paper baseball doesnt win WS rings. Kinda makes too much sense… Or maybe I’m just an unrealistic Red Sox fan who is incredibly frustrated and wants a change….

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    • ChuckMorris36

      10 years ago

      Ya I agree with you betts is struggling from the lead off spot so this would be good

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    • ChuckMorris36

      10 years ago

      I’m so sick of nava he’s a worse hitter than Craig and he should get dfa’d or go to AAA, Castillo should be up, and papelbon Hamels and revere to the sox for prospects. (Throw in nava and Craig

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      • APregnantWookie

        10 years ago

        Obviously they arent gonna want our garbage that is Nava and Craig. Nava is a great feel good story, but hes just worthless now. I thought about adding Papelbon in too, but thats a TON of added money and a HUGE haul that we’d be giving up. I’d rather just Hamels & Revere. It seriously just makes too much sense not to happen.

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      • TheMick

        10 years ago

        Why would the Phillies want Craig? He’s 30 years old and owed 20MM the next two years. Nava doesn’t carry the same burden salary wise, but he’s also in his 30’s and not hitting. The Phils are rebuilding and want youth and you want to trade two 30+ year old stiffs for a top of the rotation arm, an elite closer and a decent leadoff hitter? How about a serious trade proposal for discussion?

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      • rouscher

        10 years ago

        That’s where you’re getting into territory of Okay, you might make Swihart untouchable for just Hamles because you could just give more value in terms of a extra prospect or two, but adding Revere and Papelbon raises too you Need Swihart, Margot and Owens, and possible 2 more pieces to go. Unless you completely gut the Red Sox 2-15 top prospect range sending 6-8 guys.

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        • MattHollidaysForearms

          10 years ago

          What in the world.

          I have no idea how you’re making valuations on Papelbon/Revere/ Hamels, but that’s highway robbery for Philly.

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    • 4ester

      10 years ago

      Phils fan here, actually Revere is less than ideal in the leadoff spot. Grant it he hits for average, but still has a low OBP. Betts could have a .220 average vs. Revere batting for .310 and Betts would still have a higher OBP. Revere doesn’t walk and will always get challenged to put a ball in play, but yeah, he has the potential to cause some havoc on the basepaths when he not making base running mistakes or getting thrown out by sliding over the bags….stupid stuff.

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      • TheMick

        10 years ago

        Revere’s only hitting .258 coming into today but has a higher OBP than Betts. Revere will hit around .300 with an OBP of .325 like he did last year. Certainly not a great OBP, but not as bad as most fans make it out to be. He’s only 4 BB’s short of last season’s total already.

        The Red Sox fell in love with Betts after a couple hundred AB’s last year and reportedly named him an untouchable in trade talks with the Phillies earlier. In hindsight that was probably a mistake. Swihart was also named an untouchable but it’s far too early to tell what kind of player he’s going to be.

        When Wilt Chamberlain, Babe Ruth and Wayne Gretzky can get traded in their respective sports, naming players untouchables seems pretty silly. Anybody can and should be available in the right deal.

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        • 4ester

          10 years ago

          Point taken on Revere’s numbers and he is walking at a higher rate this year….just seems like Betts power would translate to less pitches to hit and yielding more walks. I think he’s been pretty uninspiring this year, but that’s just me…and nobody should be untouchable, everyone has their own pricetag, so I agree there.
          Revere is gonna be an Angel I have a feeling and opening the roster spot for Asche is more important at this point. I honestly don’t see many names on their roster right now that will around in 2 years…Galvis, Herrera?….Franco is the only given.

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          • TheMick

            10 years ago

            I’m not sure why the Phils are still so high on Asche. He doesn’t hit for average or power. We also have no idea how he’s going to be defensively in LF. I agree Franco’s the only given on the roster that will be around in 2017/2018. Galvis may be Utley’s replacement when Crawford is ready and a few others may stick around as backups (Hernandez, Herrera?), but that’s about it.

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            • Bill 21

              10 years ago

              He is still young and controllable, and the Phillies don’t have enough of those guys, so they are loathe to give up on him, perhaps hoping that he is a late bloomer. He is still only 24 years old, and plenty of players are still in minors at that age.

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        • MattHollidaysForearms

          10 years ago

          How was it a mistake to hold onto Betts? He’s 22 years old and holding his own in the big leagues.

          He hits well (110 career wRC+), runs well, fields multiple positions well, and he’s making league minimum. He’s been a productive player (2.6 WAR in 91 games), at 21-22 years old.

          No player is untouchable. But surplus value exists, and Betts is surely going to provide a boatload of it. He’s got an exceedingly high floor as a player, and he could pile up a bunch of 3-4 win seasons before he’s an eligible free agent.

          He’s an immensely valuable player.

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          • TheMick

            10 years ago

            I didn’t say holding on to Betts was a mistake in a vacuum, but to say him and Swihart were untouchables in any trade for Hamels may have been a mistake for a Red Sox team that spent big and has WS aspirations this year. It’s obvious that’s not going to happen w/o pitching help. The Red Sox have more depth at position players than they do pitchers, and a TOR arm isn’t going to come cheap from anyone.

            IMO it’s a bit presumptuous to say Betts is going to be a 3-4 win player for years to come based on approx 400 AB’s. I’m not saying Betts can’t be a 3-4 win player, just that it’s too early in his career to predict that kind of success with such surety. Let him have one 3-4 win season before predicting a bunch of them before he hits free agency.

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            • MattHollidaysForearms

              10 years ago

              Have we even confirmed that Boston’s management group said that about those two?

              While it is true they took some risks on Masterson et al, there’s a lot more wrong with this team than a starting pitcher or two. Napoli/ Victorino/Craig/Nava/ have all struggled, Hanigan/Vasquez both went down early, UZR thinks they’re a bottom 5 defensive team in baseball, their offense has been the 5th worst in baseball so far (87 wRC+), their relief group has the worst xFIP in baseball.

              This is a team with many problems. Saying Hamels is going to fix this mess is wrong.

              Lastly, I’ll bet Mookie Betts is a better player the next 6 years than Cole Hamels.

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        • madmc44

          10 years ago

          I agree but when BenC labels them “untouchable” Ben will go to his grave with that imprinted on his forehead.
          Now if the Sox had Trout and Ben said it I would hope to God he was speaking the truth. Ben forgets there is a draft every year and feels he has to protect players from previous years that haven’t played an inn. in the Majors. There aren’t many Trout’s. There are many Betts’, ERod, Swiharts, Owens, Barnes–every org has them. Not every org has a Hamels. When you need a Hamels you pay the premium price. I like Mookie and Xander but I like good pitching more.
          We have Castillo to take Betts place and Marrero to take Xanders place. Owens, Margot and either Betts or Bogaerts for Hamels, Galvis and $50 M–my final offer.

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          • User 4245925809

            10 years ago

            “There are many Betts’, ERod, Swiharts, Owens, Barnes–every org has them.”

            No they don’t, especially not organizations.. Like Philly that ignored the minor leagues for so many years and think they can patch it up in one big swoop with another GM helping them out along the way. Won’t happen in Boston. Cherrington understands how difficult it is, post 2011 to build a minor league juggernaut, if Amaro does not and is why Rodriquez, Betts, Swihart won’t be heading to bail him out of another of his multiple mistakes.

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          • TheMick

            10 years ago

            That’s definitely a reasonable offer imo. It may need to be tinkered with by both sides, but it’s certainly a starting point that could/should lead to a deal if proposed.

            Unlike many posters who make ridiculous trade proposals that would never happen, yours is a serious proposal that should merit serious consideration from both sides if the teams are going to be reasonable.

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    • VAR

      10 years ago

      I can’t see moving Hanley to first base in the middle of the season. If you’re going to transition him fine, but let him spend the entire offseason working on it. And that stops you from having to turn Napoli into a 16 million dollar bench player. And taking a guy who plays great defense and benching him for a guy that has never been a good defender at any of the three positions he’s played, and putting him at first base is asking for a ton of trouble. He’s certainly not going to dig the balls out of the dirt that Nap does. First base may be one of the easiest positions to field on the diamond, but it’s not a position for a lackadaisical player like Hanley. As far as trading for Revere, meh. Just bring Castillo up and the outfield situation will improve dramatically, as will the lineup’s ability to hit left handed pitching. Shift Vic or Holt to leadoff if you want. I’m still 50/50 on Hamels. I’d like to try to fix or at least improve the pitching from within before making that sort of move. I think they deliberately went with Wright as a spot starter for Masterson because they knew he wouldn’t pitch well enough to really threaten to take the job. But now they have to get serious about it and give someone a shot that actually has a chance to be a ML starter.

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    • Rally Weimaraner

      10 years ago

      Dont the Red Sox already have too many outfielders? Victorino and Revere are very similar players.

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      • phil33

        10 years ago

        They both play the outfield and they both have/had speed. That is where the similarities end. I cannot speak for Shane today, but as a Phil’s fan watching him in his prime he was a really good player. He did everything Ben does, but hit with power and had a good arm in the field. Ben Revere is a nice platoon/fourth outfielder and that is all.

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      • David Coonce

        10 years ago

        Except for the walks and power and defense, they’re basically the same guy. Ben Revere hit 13 doubles and drew 12 walks last year in 626 PA at age 27, while playing some of the worst center-field defense in baseball. Victorino in his age 27 season, hit 35 doubles, 14 homers, walked 45 times and won a gold glove. Even in his decline/injury phase Vic has had more defensive and offensive value than Revere, although Revere is a much better left-fielder than center fielder.

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    • Draven Moss

      10 years ago

      The Red Sox don’t want, nor do they need Ben Revere. He is a nice piece to add to most clubs, don’t get me wrong, but Boston isn’t one of them. Napoli has started picking of up and looks like he will go on a typical hot-streak, and their OF options are extremely deep. And don’t forget, they have Rusney Castillo who is more than likely a better overall player than Revere. A Hanley/Betts/Castillo trio in the OF with tons of back-up options including Nava, Victorino, and Holt makes it almost 0% this would happen, and it makes no sense at all. Don’t let Revere’s batting average and speed fool you!

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      • TheMick

        10 years ago

        I agree the Sox don’t need Revere. If there’s Phillie that’s going to help them it’s Hamels. It doesn’t seem as if there will be a meeting of the minds on what fair value for Hamels is, and I doubt the Sox and Phils make any trades with each other this year.

        All along I’ve thought Hamels is going to the Dodgers and still believe that. The news that Ryu is out for the season only reinforces that opinion.

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        • Draven Moss

          10 years ago

          I’m not sure if the Red Sox will target Hamels either. I think it all comes down to the cost to acquire other players at the deadline. If a guy like Cueto is gonna cost a ton, I’d say they’ll be more open to dealing with Philly for Hamels, though Zimm not sure Philly is intrigued by any of the other prospects in the system now that Swihart has been promoted. As for the Dodgers, I don’t think they’re willing to give up one of Pederson/Seagar/Urias in order to acquire Hamels so I honestly don’t expect them to be serious bidders for his services. I think they’ll target a cheaper option, perhaps Harang or a guy like Kazmir.

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          • TheMick

            10 years ago

            Kazmir , Harang and other lesser pitchers could help the Dodgers, but with their payroll and expectations I think they’ll entertain trading Urias for Hamels. A top 3 of Kershaw, Greinke and Hamels would be as good as, if not better than any other top 3 SP’s in baseball.

            Five of the Dodgers top 10 prospects are pitchers per BBA. None of the other 4 are in Urias class, but pitching help from the minors isn’t that far away. I expect the Dodgers will retain Greinke and add 2-3 years to his deal so they’ll still have 3 number one starters for the foreseeable future w/o Urias.

            I’m certainly not saying it’s as good as done, but I do think the Dodgers desperately want to win this year. In a playoff game Hamels is far more desirable than a Kazmir or Harang type pitcher.

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            • 4ester

              10 years ago

              Urias, Verdugo, Leon, and Zach Lee? I’d be okay with that… Just that it’d be such a gamble since the first 3 I have there aren’t even 20 years old yet.

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            • David Coonce

              10 years ago

              I think, honestly, Urias is the very least likely to be traded. Talent like his is once in a generation. I know, pitchers get hurt, so there’s risk, but he seems to be pretty special. As good as Pederson and Seager are, it’s a little easier to find outfielders and third basemen than it is to find a pitcher with Urias’ potential.

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            • MattHollidaysForearms

              10 years ago

              Urias is not going to be traded. Get over it.

              Friedman isn’t going to trade a consensus top-5 prospect in baseball. Urias is an amazing talent. And Friedman recognizes that. He’s been tasked with building a sustainable winner.

              Why not wait 6 months and go get Cueto? Or trade for him and extend him without giving up one of the most valuable assets in baseball. It doesn’t make sense.

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          • David Coonce

            10 years ago

            I wonder if they could do that thing that other teams have done in the past, where they trade some of the “untouchable” prospects for Cueto but with a 10-day window to negotiate an extension or the deal won’t happen. I seem to recall this happening several times in the past but can’t think of any of the players involved. I think Cueto is a much better fit for Boston than Hamels, although he’ll cost more in prospects and a theoretical extension.

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        • DavidL

          10 years ago

          The Sox might not need Revere but if the topic hadn’t been broached a blog post that only has information about Phillies players couldn’t be turned into one that discusses the Red Sox. And that’d be a waste, wouldn’t it?

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        • Jimmy 15

          10 years ago

          I agree that Sox and Phil’s probably will not make any trades this year. Sox appear committed to the future and will be patient with their kids. Not sure they will even be buyers at deadline, but perhaps I am wrong on that. I also disagree with many that assume they will go after some of the top FA pitchers this off season. They have not shown to me a willingness to spend the huge bucks on pitchers that willl be necessary to get an Ace. I also think if Hamels is traded, the Dodgers are most likely. They are intent on winning now and Kershaw, Greinke, and Hamels will put them in a great position for the next few years. If Sox kids develop as they hope they should be strong in a couple of years.

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    • David Coonce

      10 years ago

      Revere is not a legit leadoff hitter, though. He drew 12 walks last season.

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      • NotCanon

        10 years ago

        13 walks, and led the league in hits. I get that you like to see more walks coming out of the leadoff spot, but a .361 OBP (which Revere had) would have been good for 4th-best in baseball while batting #1 last year (he didn’t spend enough time there to qualify as a #1 hitter for the season). .001 points behind Adam Eaton, .004 points behind Yelich and .014 points behind Carpenter.

        In other words, pretty great. The fact that he stole 49 bases (functionally adding .070 to his SLG% assuming that every one of his walks turned into a steal – it adds more if you don’t assume that) also helps to make up for a lot of his power deficiencies.

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        • David Coonce

          10 years ago

          I don’t count IBB, btw, so I count 12 walks. Leading the league in hits is nice; it helps when you swing at everything. You can’t actually, of course, add 49 steals to his hits and use that to increase slugging – you have to subtract the 8 caught-stealing, and steals don’t work that way anyway with regards to slugging (other baserunners don’t advance on a steal the way they would on a double or other XBH.)

          The chief goal of a leadoff hitter is to get on base and score runs. Revere scored 71 runs last season in 626 PA, while batting .306 with 49 steals. By comparison, in 1998 Rickey Henderson, in 670 plate appearances, batted .236 and stole 66 bases. He scored 101 runs. He walked 115 times. That’s a leadoff hitter. In 1997 Rickey batted 509 times, batted .248, and still scored more runs (84) than Revere did last season, in 120 less plate appearances.

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  3. vwnut13 2

    10 years ago

    Hmmm. I’m sure the Phillies would want Aaron Judge, Luis Severino, Greg Bird, Rob Refsnyder, and for the Yankees to take on Papelbon’s contract for Revere..

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    • Brixton G.

      10 years ago

      The Phillies asked for an overpay once, and its when they wanted 2 of Joc, Seager and Urias for Hamels. Other than that, they haven’t asked for an overpay for anyone.

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      • Draven Moss

        10 years ago

        Apparently they asked for Judge at last year’s deadline for Byrd, so I wouldn’t say they haven’t asked for any overpays other than that one. From then on though they’ve seemed to be quite reasonable.

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        • flyerzfan12

          10 years ago

          Agreed. I know Judge’s value skyrocketed as the year went along last season, but was he seen as a top-100 prospect in the game by the deadline? Whether he was or wasn’t, it was still way too high of an asking price. Mainly wondering for my own knowledge.

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          • Draven Moss

            10 years ago

            I believe the mid-season prospect rankings had him around 50-60 in the top 100. So by the time the deadline came around his value had risen quite a lot. A guy like Bird probably made more sense in terms of fair value, though he probably wouldn’t have much value on a team like the Phillies where first and third seem like two of their more depth-heavy positions. Regardless, I think the Phillies got a nice return for Byrd when it was all said and done (as can be said about the Rollin’s trade), so I don’t think they can complain too much.

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            • flyerzfan12

              10 years ago

              Thanks. Yeah, Lively was a nice return for Byrd and has pitched well so far this year. Same with Eflin, whereas Windle has had his ups and downs so far. But it’s nice to finally see some young arms in the system, especially Nola.

              And the Phillies actually don’t have any top 1B prospects in the system. The closest thing to a 1B prospect may be someone like Rhys Hoskins who’s in low-A or Art Charles who’s 24 in AA and neither to my knowledge project to being anything too special if they make it to the majors. Maybe Hoskins since he was just drafted in the 5th round last year, but he’s not even ranked in their top-20 prospects.

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              • TheMick

                10 years ago

                Agree the Phils 1B of the future probably isn’t in their system. If it is Hoskins he won’t be near ready by the time Howard’s contract expires. Targeting a 1B in 2017 via free agency or trade seems to make the most sense unless they get a strong prospect in the upcoming fire sale in July.

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          • hiflyer000

            10 years ago

            At the time he was having a pretty good year in a league he was too old for, and most scouts saw his ceiling as a platoon/AAAA OF. He has improved a bit since then, though he still is basically a power-only bat who can’t field or run well. At the time it was a perfectly reasonable asking price, though now it seems unreasonable.

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            • MattHollidaysForearms

              10 years ago

              Most scouts thought his ceiling was a quad A player? We’re talking about Aaron Judge right? There’s a very big difference between ‘ceiling’ and reasonable outcomes.

              Judge has light tower power, he can run and throw, and his ceiling has been a power house right fielder since he was at Fresno.

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        • Brixton G.

          10 years ago

          Aaron Judge at the time was ranked 5th in the Yankees system and wasn’t a top 100 prospect. The Phillies got the Reds 8th top prospect for Marlon Byrd in the end. Wasn’t as big of an overpay as everyone makes it out to be.

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          • Draven Moss

            10 years ago

            By the time a deal for Byrd came around, Judge’s stock had already risen. It isn’t about where his stock was at the beginning of the year, it is where his stock is at the time of the deal, and it was significantly higher.

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      • vwnut13 2

        10 years ago

        They wanted Aaron Judge for Marlon Byrd for crying out loud.

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        • Brixton G.

          10 years ago

          At the time, Judge wasn’t a top 100 prospect nor a top 3 prospect in the Yankees system. Not that big of an overpay.

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  4. Jaysfan1994 2

    10 years ago

    Howard had a .784OPS going into last season at 37 games as well. Pretending like he’s going to continue this production throughout an entire season seems like a stretch.

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    • DavidL

      10 years ago

      Ryan Howard’s OPS is .828. Last year at the same point it was .750. Last year his OPS fell. The previous year it rose. A lot of players go up and down. If you don’t like Howard that’s fine but you can’t assume he’ll drop because he did last year.

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      • Jaysfan1994 2

        10 years ago

        The season started earlier last year thus at 38 games going into this season he sat nearly identical with his statistics he put up in 37 games last year.

        His track record and most like most heavy set men not on “tainted protein” seems to indicate that they hit their decline much earlier than most elite sluggers. Howard’s probably going to finish the season with 25 homers and a .730OPS.

        I’m expecting his regressing season totals to continue at age 35 is all I’m saying.

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        • DavidL

          10 years ago

          They do but that’s overall production by year. They don’t necessarily decline during a season once a standard has been set. And I’m comparing Howard through today’s game to the Phillies’ same number of games last year. The Phillies have played 43 games and Howard has an OPS of .828. Through the team’s same number of games last year it was .753.

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          • Jaysfan1994 2

            10 years ago

            Yes, and guys have stretches in which they’re good and bad. Howard’s had a 4 year long stretch in which he’s been bad the majority of the time.

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            • David Coonce

              10 years ago

              Exactly; a river rarely changes course midstream. Any player can have a great 22-game stretch. Unless there’s been a dramatic change in Howard’s skill set (which I doubt at age 35), he will probably regress to his 240/300/390 self. If he stays hot, though, the Phils should trade him for whatever they can get to some desperate team.

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              • NotCanon

                10 years ago

                Howard has only once in his entire career posted an OPS below .700. How is his not posting that a river changing its course in mid-stream? In fact, in his entire career, Howard has only twice posted an OPS below .750, and not in consecutive years with the sub-.700 performance.

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            • DavidL

              10 years ago

              That’d be nice if it were that simple. Howard blew his achilles tendon before the 2012 season. He came back mid-season and wasn’t the same. That was due to injury, not age. In 2013 he had a .302/.357/.522 split against right handed pitching. That’s pretty good. Yes, he had a bad 2014. So did Joey Votto and a bunch of other players. It’s fine if you think he stinks, but provide context.

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              • David Coonce

                10 years ago

                Votto is, what, 4 years younger? There’s a difference.

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            • NotCanon

              10 years ago

              Not sure that I agree there. Howard has had a couple of bad years (2012, 2014), but one of those was a half-season coming immediately after “recovery” (not really) from his total achilles tear.

              2011 (4 years ago) Howard had an .835 OPS, which is plenty solid. 2013 (2 years ago) Howard had a .784 OPS, which is probably not good enough for him but still would have put him into a functional 3-way tie (.001 points lower) for 7th-best among DHs that year – tied with Morales and VMart.

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              • David Coonce

                10 years ago

                Obviously nobody’s lining up to get Howard’s 2011 version; nobody thinks he’s any good anymore, or else he would have been traded already, since even the Phillies have all but admitted they’d love to see him gone. His K:BB ratio this season is 41:7. That’s with the hot streak. 41:7. His 2014 Slugging % was the same as Dee Gordon’s. He’s probably only a platoon DH at this point, and nobody’s giving up much for that.

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              • Jaysfan1994 2

                10 years ago

                Look at his WAR from those years and compare. Yes, his defense is bad and he’s a horrible baserunner. He also however, is getting paid a ton of money… Way more than what a DH should be making.

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  5. Sleeper

    10 years ago

    While Howard’s value hasn’t gone down at all from all of this production, it’d be hard to say it’s gone up after the struggles he’s had otherwise, he’s going to need to show he can sustain productivity for a longer stretch before I see his value being tangibly different.

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  6. NickGarren

    10 years ago

    I’d take Revere on the Cubs playing Left Field…would the Phillies take EJax for him???

    Reply
    • Rally Weimaraner

      10 years ago

      No one is taking Edwin Jackson

      Reply
    • TheMick

      10 years ago

      Let me guess, you’re a comedian, right?

      Reply
    • Sigurd

      10 years ago

      Jackson has negative trade value. Not going to happen in a million years.

      Reply
    • The Left Shark

      10 years ago

      Bryant will be in left in the next couple weeks

      Reply
      • Revery

        10 years ago

        Do you think this will be because Baez is called up?

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  7. Paolo

    10 years ago

    If I’m the Angels, I don’t know about Revere– I’d call the Cardinals & see what they want for Bourjos or Grichuck.

    Reply
    • David Coonce

      10 years ago

      Why would the Cardinals trade Bourjos? That would leave them with just Jon Jay in center.

      Reply
    • Jordan Judd

      10 years ago

      Freese and Salas for Bourjos and Grichuck!

      Reply
    • Steven Garrison

      10 years ago

      I think they will make the trade for Revere

      Reply
  8. willi

    10 years ago

    For Bennie ( The Jet ) Revere to have Value he has to play every day, a Line drive hitter has to get his timing down to be a contributor. Angles had Bourjos and I think traded or gave up on him, Grichuck in unproven and strikes out more than Bath Ruth, He’s no leadoff hitter.

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    • MattHollidaysForearms

      10 years ago

      Josh Donaldson is leading off for the best offense in baseball. The Angels (and every team generally) ought to be looking for the most productive hitters to put in their lineup, not some fast slap hitter just to cookie cutter their line up.

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    • pete peterson

      10 years ago

      Was “Bath Ruth” built like a tub?

      Reply
  9. TheMick

    10 years ago

    Very little chatter about Aaron Nola but he’s the best pitching prospect the Phils have had since Hamels. He’s not a power pitcher, but has excellent command and poise for a player with such little professional baseball experience. His numbers and consistency at AA since being drafted last year have been impressive and he looks to be in the majors sometime this year. I’m not going to make any outrageous predictions like he’s the next Greg Maddux because of their similar approach to pitching, but this kid can be very good. I’m looking forward to seeing him later in the year, probably after Hamels and Harang are moved.

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  10. Steven Garrison

    10 years ago

    I hope the angels can get the deal done for ben revere

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  11. Franco Anton

    10 years ago

    I Feel the Angels are working hard on a Trade for Revere & Howard as a Pkg for one of the Young AAA middle Relief P.
    The Phills want to Dump all that $$$ Owed to Howard & Angels really need production from the DH which they haven’t gotten All Yr. They also Need a Good Lead off hitter who can Play Lft F. I Expect Artie M to Jump on that as soon as this Wk.

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