The Blue Jays and Brewers are still discussing Mike Fiers, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets. Rosenthal reported last week that the two sides were talking about a swap involving the right-hander, though he added that the Brewers weren’t terribly interested in moving him.
Rosenthal adds that the Blue Jays still have numerous irons in the fire as the deadline approaches. Toronto continues to show interest in frontline starters like Jeff Samardzija, and Johnny Cueto and also David Price, if he becomes available.
Fiers isn’t arbitration eligible until after the 2016 season and he’s earning just $513K in 2015. Thanks to making his big league debut later on in his career, the 30-year-old can be controlled through 2019 via the arb process. That team control is one of the reasons that he’s probably appealing to the Blue Jays, but it probably also makes the Brewers reluctant to move him.
Upon first glance, Fiers would seem to be an imperfect fit for Toronto’s Rogers Centre. He’s a right-hander that averages just 89 mph on his fastball and is considered an extreme fly-ball pitcher. However, Fiers’ former teammate, Marco Estrada, has been outstanding for the Blue Jays in 2015.
According to Rosenthal’s report from last week, the Brewers would want multiple pieces as a return in any trade of Fiers. He’s an atypical trade candidate due to the four remaining seasons of control he brings, but the more traditional trade pieces in Milwaukee’s rotation don’t currently hold much appeal. Kyle Lohse, a free agent at season’s end, has struggled greatly in 2015. So, too, has the now-injured Matt Garza, who comes with two more years of a $12.5MM salary.
Well there must be some interest and a realistic asking price if two teams are still talking a week later.
I’d like to see him moved. While he is a nice veteran pitcher on the cheap(pretty uncommon) I feel the Brewers are better off getting younger.
White Sox beat up on the Indians and are now second guessing whether to sell or not. Are you kidding me? Shark, LaRoche, Ramirez, and Soto should all be moved for whatever return the Sox can get.
So should Indians Trade SP’s.
Pentecost? Mitch Nay? – Pompey would have to the the top target in a deal for Fiers…right?
What about Tellez?
Pompey is probably too high and Mitch Nay is likely too low. I thought maybe Pentecost if they are motivated to trade for him. Maybe they think they can do well with Fiers after having success with Estrada? Pentecost would make sense for the Brewers.
yeah. i would think 2 of the 3 might be in a deal. the Brewers are gonna move Lecroy i assume.
It would be solid preparation move for that day. Hard to really gauge the value of Fiers, but Pentecost and Nay could be possible…depending on how GMs value him.
Nay would be great if he’s part of it. Not a lot of internal options at 3B for the Brewers. Pentecost also could open the trade talks on Lucroy who could get them a haul.
How about Norris, Pompey, Pentecost and Nay for Gomez and Fiers?
Pompey/Pentecost/Nay/Foley?
Norris/Pentecost?
All three of Norris/Pompey/Pentecost is probably too much top prospects for them. Though I have seen worse.
All 4 is probably a bit of an overpay. Maybe switch Pompey to Dwight Smith or somebody like that.
I think this would work well for both clubs, seeing as neither Gomez or Fiers is a rental you can get back what you put in them (GoGo for sure) by next years trade deadline.
All reports have been that the Brewers are highly unlikely to trade Lucroy this year. Although they declined )
Lucroy’s offer to extend him in January for pretty much the rest of my career” according toLucroy, doesn’t mean they dont want to keep him around long term. Just wasnt a good time to have that talk from the clubs perspective when his contact is cljb friendly and has 2 more years on it.
Melvin has told the media that they are looking to “reset or retool” as opposed to tear down and rebuild. Right or wrong, these are just the facts.
Trading for Pentecost who is still at least a few years would be just preparing for the eventual departure of Lucroy. Wouldn’t mean they turn around and trade him away. The Brewers are not going to extend Lucroy now or in the future. He isn’t worth it.
I have seen none of this retool talk in the media. If anything he has hinted at more of the opposite.
Thats your opiniln on Lucroy. The way the pitching staff has performed before and since his return indicates otherwise.
Here is Melvin’s comments on shying away from a complete rebuild.
m.jsonline.com/brewers#/articles/302319531
This was May, but he has gone on local radio sense then basically saying that, yes, they are interested in retooling the farm system and tear down. Which i believe is the only way they move Lucroy this yr or in offseason. He is the most valuable player we have despite his down yr at the plate.
Retool-Fix things in the off-season and go for it again. What we have been doing for years.
Rebuild-Trade valuable players to restock farm system.
That article was talking about a rebuild taking 3 years or so which is past Lucroy’s time here.
I mean, I would make anyone avail except Nelson, Peralta, jungmann and Im on the fence w Segura. Esp if they see him at 2b when Arcia is here. But with 2 yrs left on his comtract, I just dont think they woll trade him now. He would bring the biggest haul so I see what you are saying. I was just responding to the dude who said he assumed the would trade him. All indications are they are not looking to right now. And im not quite sure if 3yrs is past his time. Maybe his prime, but the way he calls games and is a leader, he is really valuable and this regime will still want to sell some tix during any re-whatever. A la Herb Kohl unfortunately.
A complete rebuild would take more like 4-5 years and thats what mgmt wants to avoid. With all our talent at AA or below, maybe they r up in 3, but they arent gonna mature into a playoff contending squar for at least 5
Will be interesting to see what happens.
Rebuild would be trade ALL your assets. Re tool would be trade some, not all, any time of yr
you guys are clowns…-thumb for asking a question? clowns
Give them all up for Fiers !
Normally I would say that Pompey would be way too much but after looking Fiers over I think Pompey might actually be a good match.. Fiers is a decent #4 very solid #5 who doesn’t even reach arbitration until 2017.. A proven league minimum pitcher that is close to league minimum for a year and then arbitration eligible until 2020 is valuable.. Especially, since he posted an ERA+ of 178 last year.. That is right on par with several #1/#2 type pitchers.. Plus, Pompey didn’t exactly tear it up in the bigs earlier this year.. Granted he will more than likely produce better than that in the future but there will always be questions until he does..
Just looking at the numbers doesn’t always tell the picture with Fires. He seems to be a #5 type starter, but when you dig deeper into things like ERA+, K rate, solid contact %, etc his advanced metrics show him to be more like a solid #3. (Especially if you take out the bad year a couple years back where he pitched through elbow stiffness). I don’t see Pompey out of the realm of possibility, especially since Parra and Gomez may both be traded so Milwaukee will need a CF.
For Gods Sake Stop mentioning Garza and Lohse with the word Pitcher , they are throwers of Batting practice!
I agree with you on Lohse but Garza had a 3.54 FIP last year and a 4.82 this year.. Let’s not forget that he had a 4.42 FIP in 2010 and came back the following year to produce a solid 2.95 in 2011.. Since he is only 31 years old I wouldn’t write Garza off just yet.. Lohse being 36 and never having an FIP lower than 3.51 is probably toast.. But who knows he might be valuable to a team like Cincinnati that is probably going to trade multiple starters at the deadline.. I think it would be smarter to put a bunch of innings on a guy like Lohse instead of letting young pitchers go too far past their inning limits..
Come on Brewers….offer the Cubs Fiers for Baez
I don’t see the Cubs having need for Fiers nor giving up Baez that cheap.
Kind of hoping the Blue Jays don’t make any moves. (glad Cueto went to the Royals) Far too flawed a team to be fixed with a high cost starting pitcher upgrade. Won’t matter how good a pitcher is if a grounder to short goes through the legs of Reyes 10% of the time and that routine fly balls fall in for hits in LF with regularity. Until there is a manager with the brains to realize that defense matters the Blue Jays won’t contend for a thing.