4:42pm: The Rangers and Dodgers have emerged as the likely favorites to land Hamels, multiple sources tell Jayson Stark of ESPN.com. The Phillies continue to discuss Hamels with at least four other teams – the Cubs, Yankees, Giants and Red Sox – but those teams don’t match up as well as Los Angeles or Texas, according to a source who spoke with Stark. Sources also told Stark they would be surprised if a trade was completed before Tuesday.
3:13pm: The Yankees are exploring deals for all of the major available starting pitchers, but they’re not inclined to move top prospects or take on lots of salary to acquire Hamels, Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets.
12:10pm: The Phillies and Rangers remain in dialogue about a Hamels trade, but nothing is “close” at this time, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (on Twitter) hears from sources.
9:52am: “Industry sentiment” has the Rangers as the favorites for Hamels, Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports tweets. Texas has long-term motivation for acquiring Hamels, the prospects necessary to swing a deal, and the hurler can’t block a trade to the Rangers.
9:48am: Momentum is building towards a Cole Hamels trade, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets. Offers for the Phillies ace have improved since Hamels’ no-hitter and teams are now asking for less money and offering better players, sources tell Rosenthal.
At this time, Rosenthal hears (link) that the five teams with the most recent interest in Hamels (in no particular order) are the Cubs, Dodgers, Rangers, Yankees, and Giants. The Red Sox, who are eager to win in 2016, have been connected to Hamels, but they are absent from Rosenthal’s top five.
On Saturday, Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi reported that the Yankees have asked about Hamels, but their interest does not appear to be much more than due diligence at this time. The Astros also scouted Hamels’ Saturday start and while they were undoubtedly impressed with his performance, they are not amongst the top five teams according to Rosenthal.
Hopefully the Red Sox make a strong push to lock up Cole. We need an impact pitcher for the next few years to build off of.
No, please no. We’ll have to give up way too much.
As much as I’d love to have hamels he just isn’t worth the asking price. I’d take him but don’t deplete the farm system for a 30+ year old pitcher. Hopefully cubs stick to the plan
Give me a chance to win a WSC over sometimes overvalued prospects. The Phillies did exactly this trading for Cliff Lee,Roy Halladay, Roy Oswalt and Hunter Pence. Nope it didn’t quite work out for the Phillies,but what can’t be argued is it sure was a fun ride for Phillies fans.
And if you make moves not worrying about the future, you end up where the Phillies are now.
Don’t look at the standing but as we speak coming off the all star break the Phillies are the hottest team in baseball. Coming off one of the most remarkable performance I have watched in quite sometime.
The Phillies never technically mortgaged their future. Most of the players they traded away have never panned out. Their man problem has been drafting and player development. They were spectacularly awful in the draft from 2005-2012.
The Phillies problem wasn’t that they traded prospects its that they did nothing to replace those prospects. They were giving up 1st round picks to sign free agents and not chasing the top tier international players.
I don’t think trading for a 31-year old ace pitcher with a 3-4 year contract at market value and a proven track record of playoff success represents “not worrying about the future”. We’re not talking about giving up a top prospect for Papelbon here.
That’s how most teams operate. Based on your username I would guess you’re a Cardinals fan. Well, keep in mind that the Cards have stuck with their youth, but it has barely given them four 90 win seasons in the past 10 years. And of those four, only one was a 95+ win season. I won’t discredit the Cardinals’ postseason success, but almost all of it in the past 10 years would likely not be possible if they were playing in another division besides the overall weak NL Central. Granted, they’re on a roll right now. But if they played in a division with stronger teams, they would’ve had to ‘go for it’ a little bit more and would likely have dealt a few more prospects for a big bat. And one could even argue they would’ve kept Albert. But playing in a weak division is a big reason the Cardinals have been able to hold onto their youth and have that translate into long term success.
This year the Cardinals have far and away been the best team in the National League. What’s wrong with that?
Maybe they hacked into their account.
You need a balance of both to win, especially considering rookies and veterans streak at different times.
I might be over valuing prospects but Theo had a 5 year plan and it hasn’t been 5 years yet. Remember them times Hendry would trade all our prospects, how’d that work out?
Look at the cardinals, best organization in baseball it pains me to say it but it’s the truth, why are they always good? They develop prospects and are smart with there money
And a Great Deal of Luck throw in, They pick up trash and they Perform in thier Limited rolls, i.e. Lance Berkman.
Be careful with the luck argument. First, it’s pure witchcraft. Beyond that, if there is luck, there must be good and bad luck. I mean, if I walk outside and a plane doesn’t fall on my head, is that luck? Or is it something else?
Well oscar tavares death was certainly bad puck.
luck plays a role but it’s about scouting. the cards were able to milk two very good years out of Beltran when Pujols left. they saw something there. and the cards were also smart to let Beltran, Albert, schumacher and Berkman go when they saw their money would no longer be well spent and and trade away guys like Rasmus, Freeze when they saw a chance to unload them for something of value. luck, sure. but scouting (both of major league and amateur) talent is why the Cards have been one of the most successful franchises in this century.
They have definitely been successful… They’ve played the game for what it is and how its set up…some high 80 win totals..nothing flashy..and then play well in the postseason
Good teams always have luck on there side dude they stay consistent
That and they play in a bad division. Pirates lol best they have against them
Have you not watched baseball since 2010? The NL Central is one of the best divisions in baseball.
That’s why St Louis has won it every year I guess. All those great teams they are against. Milwaukee lousy, Cincy garbage Cubs 109 years yes solid. Pittsburgh come on this is making me laugh.
Won it every year, huh? I guess you did just start watching baseball. Pittsburgh and St. Louis are 2 of the best teams in baseball. And if you think everything a team (Cubs) did under different ownership and management has anything to do with the current team, you’ll really like some East Coast narratives.
There’s really no point in even mentioning the Cubs. 109 years and it’s not gonna end anytime soon. They say the same thing every year. Maybe next year. It’s already maybe next year. Swept by Philly and sucked against a selling everything Cincinnati. Team should just pack it up and move somewhere else. 109 years means you aren’t good.
Outside of Chicago… Every one of those teams has rotated having playoff caliber team. Central isn’t always loaded top to bottom…but a few seasons there…Milwaukee and St. Louis had quite a shootout, and the Pittsburgh and Cincinnati were there…Central sent 3 teams to the playoffs
How many of them won it all? I rest my case.
The NLC is the best division in MLB. I thought it was the ALC but as they year has played out, I’ve been proven wrong.
Can you really call it luck if they come out on top repeatedly? There is a system in place; a system that works. That’s why they are the best.
I wouldn’t call it luck at all, but I would say their method might not play out against non small market teams in other divisions. I can’t really say the Cards have had a flat out dominant team this millennium…but they are always there and ready to take the starting blocks for the postseason sprint. Always seems like there’s a small market team in the division chomping at the heels. It’ll be interesting next year when the Cubs look to hit almost full gear
They’re always good because they’ve played in one of the weakest division in all of MLB. Four 90+ win seasons in the last 10 years. And only one 95+ win season out of those four. Their postseason success is just one of those baseball things where they probably shouldn’t be that good, but manage to get that far. Put them in a strong division over that past decade, and they probably would’ve had to ‘go for it’ a few more times, and would have had to either rebuild or spend some more to keep their window open. And there’s a good chance they would’ve kept Albert.
Kind of doubt they would have kept Pujols, though. There’s no way they would have paid like the Angels did.
They won’t listen to reason. They just want to say they have the toughest division when they really haven’t done anything. The NLC isn’t good it’s like listening to SEC people.
What is the asking price? Does anyone actually know?
Quality , Quality and More Quality!
Like 3 top 10 or 15 prospects
How do you like Hamels now ? BwhaHaha ….. Kershaw could learn a lot of lessons from Hamels …. Like how to be a true ace!
Philly is going places. Oh wait
Down vote me all you want ….. Kershaw still chokes on toad, and all you dodger fans know it!
This idea that the it’s Hamels or nothing for the Cubs is silly. The Reds agreed to trade Cueto yesterday for a fraction of the cost the Phils are requiring for Hamels. And I’m not saying that the 3-years of Hamels contract don’t justify the Phillies stance in trade negotiations – they do – but why would I give up elite talent for a guy when I can give up surplus pieces for equal talent?
And I don’t buy the 3-years remaining on Hamels deal as incentive. The Cubs are staring at an off-season where FOUR TOR pitchers will be on the market. They’ll face stiff competition from nine teams in pursuit of those guys, but given their young talent and still financial resources, it’s unlikely they won’t land one of either Price, Cueto, Greinke or Zimmerman.
Basically – the Cubs can give up Billy McKinney for a rental like Cueto or Price rightness… then walk into the off-season with a 44% chance of acquiring a LT TOR through FA. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why people think giving up elite prospects for Hamels is a better alternative to that plan.
Want to bet , deep Pocket teams will be in the running , among others Giants, Dodgers, Yankees, Tigers, Angels, and Maybe Cardinals and the Phillies!
Yes. I’d project 9 big market teams to be in the running for the top starters on the FA market. And I said that in my original post. But there are FOUR front line starters available. That gives the Cubs a 44% chance of acquiring one.
I’m not saying into a given. But the odds are really good for them to come away with a great pitcher in FA
Hamels is actually under 4 1/3 years of team control at fair market price. Price,Cueto and Greinke if you win sweepstakes will cost the Cubs $200M- $220 M. And you say you can get impending FA’s Price/Cueto this year for Mckinney but thats just your opinion. Cueto is already gone and Other contending teams might give the Tigers a better prospect package than McKinney.
I wouldn’t argue that $25 mil per year is fair. But I also wouldn’t aegue that $30 mil per year is enough difference to be scared off. Any team Ok with Hamel AAV isn’t going to have an issue with the expected AAV of the guys on the market this winter.
As for the price of David price in the trade market…
Let’s break down the Cueto price – one every team outside KC deemed too high to match.
Finnegans came into the season with some legit big league experience. But he was ranked as just the 55th best prospect on baseball. And it’s tough to see how his stock has gone higher since then. Sure, he has a good ERA. But his FIP and K/9 are terrible.
Lamb – a lottery ticket in that he’s basically a busted out prospect who might eventually figure it out.
Reed – a good looking prospect, but not elite by any stretch. He won’t appear on any top 100 lists.
Keep in mind that when I soscuss McKinney, he’s a higher regarded prospect than Finnegan. He’s currently ranked 30th. A deal revolving around him with Vogebach and Pierce Johnson would represent a haul considerably greater than the one Cueto just received… And considerably less than then one it would requires to land Hamels
You call lamb a busted prospect when in reality he had tjs. Saw him live this year hes still legit. 95 from the left side.
So now its McKinney,Vogelbach and Pierce Johnson. This morning it was just mcKinney that was going to get you Cueto or Price. Just stop!
Just to be clear, I’m not a Phillies fan (in fact, I’d say I hate them with the passion of a thousand suns since I’m a fan of another NL East club) or a Cole Hamels fan, although I can respect his talents.
Having provided this disclaimer, I don’t think it’s the AAV of the contract that most are suggesting is an issue. It seems to me that the issue is that a club would be paying the FA that AAV for approximately twice as long and you’d be paying said FA well beyond his prime years. You’d still be paying that AAV for decline years while the Hamels deal allows the team to avoid that scenario.
Yes, there are other pitchers out there. But will it be worth the extra 100MM over Hamels contract? Wouldn’t it make more sense to trade a couple prospects, who may not pan out anyway, then to take the 7 year risk of a Price or Cueto staying healthy, and end up with a few overpriced years of mediocrity at contracts end. Plus it would be 100MM less costly to pick up Hamels, who’s contract ends before his decline years.
You need to watch more games and comment less.
I’ve often wanted to write that here.
Not worth the price? Your prospects aren’t worth a proven Ace who has ice in his veins when the lights are the brightest …. Please ….prospects are just that … Prospects … And Aces are just that ?… Aces. Your teams prospects may not even come close to their projections …. Ever! People need to realize how many of these prospects lay turds in the MLB … Anyone remeber JD Drew? Dude was supposed to be a savior ….. Like a bryce harper …. He had an “ehh” career compared to his projections …. Get out of here … Not worth the price … Lol that’s why your team hasn’t won a WS in over 100 years, unbelievable ….
Hamels isnt really an ace himself. More like the best number 2 in baseball. But hes never had the dominant year of an ace.
It’s not worth the price for the cubs. The cubs have a plan
I hope their plan includes getting 2 aces …. Unless you want to watch other teams celebrate advancing to the next round of the playoffs at wrigley field ….
We have two aces already. And a good chance of getting price in the off season. More expensive yes but worth it more than giving up 3 top prospects. Cubs have a bright future and they’ve already said they have money to spend idc about reports saying the cubs are limited they said if it’s the right deal they will find a way to make it work. I trust Theo.
Only thing this team needs it pitching DEPTH and a consistent offense this offense will be dangerous in 2 years cubs will be an attractive team for free agents
Where have I heard that before? Ahh yes my great grandpa said that, then my grandpa, then my dad. 100 + years and the story stays the same.
Why now for the Rangers?
Now is the time to overpay… compared to the offseason.
Just because he’ll probably be on a different team that wants to keep him in the off-season.
because 3 years commitment to Cole Hamels is a much better situation than any free agent at his level over 6 to 7 years.
Hmm… Maybe Alfaro, Mazara and Brinson/Williams for Hamels?
Way to much. I highly doubt Alfaro+Mazara will be in the same package unless the Philles are eating like… All Hamles salary.
Something like Alfaro+ Chi Chi + Williams could work though
i would include Alfaro in a deal and never look back. Most catchers never pan out.
you are right about catchers. Either they can hit or catch but rarely both…
That’s not even a conversation starter, imo. You’re not getting Hamels with an injured catcher as the headliner.
They will not give Alfaro, Chi Chi and Nick Williams. Williams rates out higher then Mazara, no way they give him away for Hamels.
…No. You can have Brinson, Chi-Chi, Gallo, and someone on a lower tier. And that’s generous.
Rangers were not wanting to part with Jake Thompson yet it seems the Phillies would want a young arm to pair with Nola. Thompson or Chi Chi. Mazara or Nick Williams ( no way both?). Alfaro. Forbes or Josh Morgan?
Just as it was knee-jerk funny to read reports that Hamels’ value had dropped after two bad starts, it’s equally funny to see that “offers…have improved” after one great start.
More likely just offers improving closer the deadline gets.
That certainly makes significantly more sense.
That start did accomplish a few things:
1. Beyond a shadow of a doubt, it proved that Hamels is healthy.
2. It showed those previous two starts were flukes.
3. It probably lit fires under the fanbases of several teams that are in the hunt. For Cubs fans, I imagine it would be doubly frustrating to see Hamels leave town and end up with another team after having a front row seats to that performance.
It proves the Cubs are not a good hitting team. They haven’t scored more than 5 runs since May. They score 0-2 runs on average. That doesn’t scream wins.
Two bad starts in a row can be an ominous sign for a pitcher. Health questions are naturally going to be raised. The great start put those concerns to rest.
So if his next start is sub-par, what does that do?
Probably means he won’t be traded. His next start should be Friday, which happens to be the trade deadline. If no team is going to push to acquire him before the game starts, no team is going to pull the trigger afterwards.
Either (A) disappoint the team that traded for him or (B) mean nothing because he has 10 more starts as a Phillie. I don’t see any way he makes that start on Thursday, one way or another.
He won’t pitch on Thursday (as a Philly). The Phillies aren’t in contention so there’s no need to skip someone in the rotation.
The Phillies only have 4 starting pitchers on their roster. Their 5th starter can’t be recalled until Friday. Hamels pitches Thursday or they have to acquire someone.
They can call someone other then Buchanan from Lehigh Valley to pitch a meaningless game. That’s not going to stand in the way of keeping him off the mound if they think they’ll make a deal.
It causes buyer’s remorse to whoever acquired him 🙂
If the market is heating up for Cole Hamels based on what happened yesterday, then a lot of GMs need to be fired – immediately.
Here’s what we learned yesterday: The Reds agreed to trade Johnny Cueto for a package centered around the 81st ranked prospect (Sean Manea) before the deal fell a part due to Manea’s injury concern.
Here’s what we didn’t learn yesterday: Cole Hamels is a TOR pitcher. We didn’t learn that yesterday BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNEW IT!
So why would the market for Hamels change when the only thing we learned yesterday is that TOR rentals can be had for almost nothing? Sure, Hamels provides a LT investment, and that’s why the Phillies should absolutely stand firm in their demands for him, but why should a team pay those demands when they can give up little for comparable talent and then take their chances in FA next winter? The 8-9 teams that can actually 1) afford the Phils asking price and 2) afford the $25 mil per year on his deal are also the only teams that can afford to pay Price, Cueto, Greinke and Zimmerman this winter?
So basically, if you’re going for Hamels right now, you’re staring at a 44% chance that you can acquire a TOR pitcher without giving up any prospects this winter. With those odds, why would you jump the gun on Hamels now?
What we learned yesterday is that Hamels’ previous two starts weren’t a sign of something going wrong with his arm. He didn’t need to pitch a no-hitter to prove that he is healthy, but it sure made the case very nicely.
No one thought he was hurt. Every Scout said the same thing — it was hot and he’s not motivated to pitch for a bad team knowing he’s gonna be dealt. Really. Go back and read the actual quotes!
You realize it was 97 in chicago yesterday?
But Cueto, Price, Greinke, and Zimmerman will all cost more than the 4 years remaining on Hamels deal. Nearly impossible to get an ace for anything more than one year or less than six
But the AAV won’t be that different.
Hamels contract has an out at age 34, control until 35.
Price and Greinkes contracts will go into their late 30’s.
Way more ! could almost Call Hamels is on the Cheap !
Greinke? Doesn’t he have three years left on his deal?
He has an opt out that most everyone believes he’ll exercise.
For Big Money to Red Sox or Yankees !
Way too many Philly fans think GMs should just fork over their elite prospects when they don’t need to… Wow. The stupid is strong with some people
Im perfectly fine with keeping Hamels(one of the games best pitchers on a bargain contract) and hitting free agency this offseason.
The Phillies got rid of one of their biggest problems when Sandberg quit.This offseason you should see a new GM replace Ruin Tomorrow Sooner, that solves another huge problem.
The last thing I want as a Phillies fan is to see the’ Phillies give Cole Hamels away for Non Elite Prospects.
Lots of fans think their teams have 200MM+ lying around to get a TOR arm in FA. Stupid is not a disease that only affects Philadelphians.
Actually, the “stupid” is strong with those who argue that the Phillies are in a position to settle for anything less. Hamels is locked in to a team-friendly deal (especially compared to what TOR starters will get this winter), the Phillies have deep pockets with lots of money coming off the books over the next 2-3 years, and a nice TV deal to boot. Plus, they’ll blow through their international spending limit next year on a deep pool of talent. In other words, they have the ability to turn this thing around if they’re smart with their money and draft wisely. If we were talking about a small market team with a pitcher who was due to hit FA this winter, I would agree with this sentiment. But the Phillies don’t NEED to trade Cole. If you want top talent, you need to give up top talent. I’m tired of Red Sox fans and other armchair GMs thinking that their teams have the leverage to force the Phillies to settle for less.
I still don’t really think the Rangers are involved. I think Amaro is leaking garbage to try drive up the price for Dodgers/Cubs. If JD is indeed pushing for Hamels he’s a fool and should be fired immediately.
Gotta love the minute by minute updates on cole hamels….smh
Although I’m against a trade from the Rangers end. If a deal is done I’d prefer to give them Gallo and Chi Chi over Alfaro, Mazara, Thompson. Chi Chi is at best a number 3 at the big league level and Gallo is the next Adam Dunn/Ryan Howard. I could live with giving that away but I’m still not crazy about it.
I think you’re in the minority of Rangers fans who would prefer to give up Gallo and Chi Chi. And I don’t think it’ll cost all 3 of Alfaro, Mazara, and Thompson. I’ll put it this way, if all 3 were offered, the Phillies would have accepted it already and included cash in the deal. Heck, if 2 of those 3 are in the deal I’ll be pumped.
I’m fully aware I’m in the minority. I’ve watched all of these guys play and I’m just basing my opinion from what I’ve seen. Gallo hits monster home runs and strikes out. Chi Chi has average stuff and has decent idea how to pitch. Alfaro, Mazarra and Thompson are better talent in my opinion. I’m not crazy about trading any of them because I value young controllable players more than the average fan hung up on big names.
I’ll be honest, I completely agree with you. I’d choose the Alfaro, Mazara, and Thompson package over Gallo and Chi Chi too. Chi Chi’s lack of K’s in AAA and limited time in the majors is a cause for concern for me. Again, both are small sample sizes, but a red flag for me. I like Gallo a lot and he has time to improve, but even if he ends up as Ryan Howard, I’d take that every day of the week.
But the combo of Alfaro, Mazara, and Thompson would be way too good to pass up. Even for Gallo and Chi Chi.
Yeh if you guys end up with Alfaro,Mazara and Thompson you have pulled off one of the biggest steals I can think of. I hold the Texiera trade to Atlanta as a bar for teams to beat.
One more thought on Gallo if someone could change his approach to hitting he could honestly be in the ranks of Harper, Trout. The guy just goes up there and swings for the fence on every pitch no matter the situation or count. It drives me crazy to watch.
And that’s why I think you can’t trade Gallo. If he was say, 26, I’d say okay what you see is what you get. But he’s still only 21 and has plenty of time to improve on those other areas.
Like I said, I don’t think there’s any chance the Phillies get all 3 of those prospects, but if they did, I’d be pumped. But I wouldn’t be so fast as to call it one of the biggest steals because the majority of trades that involve known studs for prospects end up favoring the team who acquired the known stud. If all 3 pan out, then yes, it’ll be labeled a great trade but the odds of that happening is also very slim.
Alfaro, Thompson and Mazara are all top 50 in the minors, no way Texas gives them for Hamels. You might get 1 and some minor pieces but not those three.
It will take 2 of them to land Hamels.
Hamels has 4 1/3 years of team control for $90 M. In todays day and age that is a bargain. Hamels has started 2 no hitters the past 2 years
until his injury, Ryan Howard had a marvelous career. In a four year span, he averaged nearly 50HR and 140rbis a year. Those are Ralph Kiner numbers and he’s in the hall of fame. Of course, the Pirates didn’t give up an outrageous amount of money long term for Kiner and that was a good thing because Kiner really faded bad. Branch Rickey sent Kiner and several other players to the Cubs for six players and $150k. The cash was the only thing valuable for the Pirates. But if the Rangers could get similar numbers from Gallo—why on earth trade that away? Beltre is fading and Gallo should be their future at third for the next six years.
Nailed it. And there’s 2 key differences between Gallo and Howard that both favor Gallo in my eyes:
1. Gallo plays 3B, a tougher position than Howard
2. Gallo is in the majors at 21. Howard won ROY at 25, but his first full season wasn’t til 26.
You have to be patient with young hitters, especially young power hitters. The Rangers would be crazy to move Gallo (unless it was for another young stud).
Gallo, will be out Major Leagues before Howard hits age 40 !
I think we’re looking at atleast Chi Chi and Alfaro
Ahhh, the “trade Joey Gallo because he’s the next Adam Dunn and that’s a horrible thing” argument. Let’s compare 2 players with at least 14 year careers:
Player A averages 36 HRs, 102 RBIs per 162 games, lead the league in strikeouts 5 times, 4 consecutive seasons of 30+ HRs, 90+ RBIs
Player B averages 37 HRs, 95 RBIs per 162 games, lead the league in strikeouts 4 times, 7 consecutive seasons of 30+ HRs, 90+ RBIs
Player B is Adam Dunn. Player A is Mickey Mantle.
I’ll agree but say some important pieces are left out…Mantle was.a switch hitter and possibly the fastest player ever…his baserunning times were outrageous. He also played decent D…If were just talking power stats like HR and RBI…then MANY players are going to appear similar
Those would be the differences that would account for Dunn only being a 2 time All-Star, and Mantle being a 16 time All-Star, 3 time MVP. The point is that being a high strikeout ball smasher shouldn’t put a player in “please take him, he’s going to be Adam Dunn”. There’s not a team out there that wouldn’t take a 2004-2010 Adam Dunn. Not a single one.
Well for the record as I’ve said before I’m not in favor of trading Gallo. I’m just more willing to move him than the other 3 players I mentioned. There’s no doubt the potential in Gallo is off the charts.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that you did. It’s just that the comparison between Dunn and Gallo is typically a negative viewpoint. In regards to what we would give up in hypothetically acquiring Hamels, it would be significantly less than the combined (at the time) cost we spent in acquiring 3 months of Cliff Lee and 2 months of Matt Garza. A #2 and top 15 to get Lee, and 2 top 10s and 2 top 20s to get Garza.
Dunn’s OBP was outstanding….why the Cubs never snagged him is beyond me…he crushed at Wrigley….but his whole game was built obp…once that dipped he was toast. There’s not a White Sox fan alive that won’t cringe at the ineptitude he displayed. I’ve honestly never seen a worse defensive player live in my life…it was like watching a bad slow pitch slugger by then too
Could he Phillies get Alfaro and Profar? I’d like to see them get a legit pitcher but those two would be a nice get for the Phillies.
Amaro would be crucified if he brought back two guys that are hurt for the season. Profar hasn’t played in two years.
if Sam Hinki was the Phils gm, that could happen.
Interested in Alfaro, Andrus, and Choo?? We’ll kick in $50M…
Make that $250 million and we’ll talk. I know they’re owed less than that, but that’s the deal.
Lol I don’t blame you.
You want us to pay all of their salaries and pay ALL of Hamels’ salary AND give you $50M to boot?
Revere, Giles, Papelbon, and 2016 international signing slot.
It wouldn’t be a bad move by the Rangers to acquire Hamels. Even if they did though, I think it’d be wiser to focus on 2016 when they could potentially have Yu Darvish back in the mix with Cole Hamels. Lets say they do end up getting Hamels, they could then deal Gallardo for a couple decent prospects to soften the blow for whatever they’d have to give up to the Phillies.
You must have missed the article on the Rangers website where Jon Daniels basically said they’re not looking for any major trade that wouldn’t help them out beyond this year.
Lets see…no top prospects and no money. What are the yankees actually offering???
them pinstripes tho..
The Phillies have pinstripes.
not the same tho.
the Yanks have nothing to offer other than the feeling of playing in the YANKEES Pinstripes.
Let the Yankees get an Mediocre Pitcher like Garza or Loshe, then have them talk to Arod on what he taking and getting past PEDs tests. Bingo , Immediate Number Two and Three Starters, for less.
that makes sense the Yankees want to trade for a top tear starter but wont trade top prospects? ….
Betances, Judge, Refsnyder and Bird for Hamels and Papelbon.
I doubt that gets a deal done for both Hamels and Papelbon. Also why would Betances be in this trade? Doesnt make sense for ether team.
Phillies replace their closer for the next 5 years.
If the Phillies rejected that, I’d cry. That deal would get accepted in a heart beat by the Phillies. Judge and Betances are both future/current stars, Bird isn’t a bad prospect at all and neither is Refsnyder.
How would that not be enough for both? #13 prospect, top 100 caliber prospect, all star reliever who I’d put up against any in the league, and top 10 organizational prospect with an intriguing bat. That sounds pretty close to fair. Although, I agree with your second point, that it doesn’t make an awful lot of sense for either team, and this offer just wouldn’t happen.
how would it not make sense for the Phils? but not a chance the Yanks would do that.
“The Yankees are exploring deals for all of the major available starting pitchers, but they’re not inclined to move top prospects or take on lots of salary to acquire Hamels”
You have reported numerous times that the Yankees don’t have the prospects or will to acquire Hamels, so enough of it. Stop repeating your reports.
The Yankees are also open to dating Kate Upton, but not if they have to meet her family or pay for dinners.
Yankees don’t wanna part with THEIR top prospects, which aren’t the top in MLB, for Hamels. Yeah, shut up
Why even bother adding the Sherman note? It’s basically a fancy way of saying NY is doing due diligence and posturing the same way any other team does in these talks.
“The Yankees are exploring deals for all of the major available starting pitchers, but they’re not inclined to move top prospects or take on lots of salary to acquire Hamels…”
Reminds me of the pilot episode of “That 70s Show” where Eric asks the mechanic if a new car battery “are they cheap or possibly free?”. I think that’s what Cashman asks other GMs about potential
Top Yankee prospects normally disappoint (Betances is an exception, MLB AS Cano & Gardner were not top prospects) so IMO, Yankee top prospects value should be as trade pieces.
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Dodgers rotation of Kershawn, Grienke and Hamels? Geezus.
Jose De Leon, Schebler, Zach Lee and Carl Crawford for Hamels
Schwarber, Baez, Almora and Travis Wood for Hamels + cash
Maraza, Chi Chi, Alfaro and 1 bad contract (Choo, Elvis or Harrison) for Hamels and Giles
Judge, Severino and Refsynder for Hamels, Papelbon and Harang
I can dream, can’t I?
I don’t see Philly taking back a bad contract unless you give them your entire farm system.
Why just randomly throw travis wood in the package?
Can’t speak for all of them, but NY doesn’t bite. Not because the value isn’t there, but there’s a pretty reoccurring theme that Severino and Judge in the same trade is going to be hard to convince, even if that means missing out here. Plus, Pap would be an un-needed luxury and Harang has no place, if they wanted to change out their back end of the rotation, they’d just shift Warren back in.
What kind of package would LA be willing to give? Friedman doesn’t lose very many trades.
I don’t think this market is dictating a move that would cost any team their farm for Cole Hamels. Kazmir and Cueto were just dealt for mid level relievers and throw ins. And Cueto is probably more valuable Hamels right now. I don’t think anyone wants to give up their Jose Fernandez’s or their Matt Harvey’s for any of these guys. And so far it looks like the sellers are either going to take what they can get, or should just wait until the winter meetings.
Hamels has more value because he’s locked up for a lot less money than Price or Cueto will get in the offseason. Philly will either get a bunch of b prospects or one stud and a couple lower tier guys.
Who are these Matt Harvey/Jose Fernandez PROSPECTS you speak of?
I would say he gets moved before tomorrow Morning.
I still say the Yankees get him. I’m not surprised the Dodgers are in on this.
I find it extremely funny that Rangers fans find it so hard to give up prospects, not proven proven star players, for a true ace in Hamels. Has anyone seriously broken down Joey Gallo’s tools? Across the board, tool for tool, he’s a left handed hitting version of Mark Reynolds. At any time during Reynolds’ career would the Phillies have traded him straight up for Hamels?
Blueprint for a Red Sox offer for Hamels:
The Phillies aren’t getting (insert blue chip prospect here) for Hamels, but a package of (insert failed prospect here), (insert spare part here) and (insert struggling player with a bad contract here) should work if the Phillies kick in (insert amount) percent of Hamels’ contract.
When the Giants offer Belt plus a minor leaguer for Hamel, money will change hands.