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Cubs Leaning Toward “Smaller Deal For Reliever”; 3-Team Talks Denied

By Jeff Todd | July 31, 2015 at 2:17pm CDT

2:16pm: The Cubs now appear to be leaning toward striking a smaller trade for a relief arm, Peter Gammons of GammonsDaily.com tweets. He adds that there are strong denials that a three-team scenario was ever considered, as Scott Lauber of the Boston Herald also has reported.

1:45pm: San Diego and Chicago are primarily working directly together on a deal, tweets Nightengale, who says that they may not need the involvement of a third team to swing a major deal.

1:22pm: Chicago “would love” to swing a deal for Tyson Ross and Craig Kimbrel, Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweets. It’s not entirely clear how realistic that scenario is, but it appears the Cubs at least have interest in pursuing it.

12:18pm: The Padres, Red Sox, and Cubs have discussed an unspecified three-team deal, Jon Morosi of FOX Sports tweets. ESPN.com’s Buster Olney tweeted earlier that there was industry speculation of discussions between the clubs, noting that there were many potential fits between them.

The parameters of a deal remain unreported at this time, but both Chicago (here and here) and Boston have been heavily connected to San Diego in recent days. The Padres are reportedly looking for a shortstop, and both Starlin Castro and Javier Baez of the Cubs have been mentioned as possible pieces that could be dangled. Meanwhile, the Cubs and Red Sox have frequently been said to be interested in controllable pitching.

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  1. mwk89

    7 years ago

    Could be one the biggest trades this deadline yet if this pans out, with some of the names involved

    Reply
  2. bogaerts

    7 years ago

    Ross, Buttry to Chicago
    Sandoval, Baez, Guerra, Happ to San Diego
    Kimbrel, Shields, Gyorko to Boston

    Reply
    • billbrasky

      7 years ago

      Boston would be very lucky to get bailed out on Sandoval, but taking Sheilds is one way it could work.

      Reply
      • Bronx Bombers

        7 years ago

        Shields would get lit up in Fenway

        Reply
    • goplen05

      7 years ago

      Wonder if Castro would be one going to the Padres. They need a SS and the Cubs are said to be trying to trade him.

      Reply
      • angryduck

        7 years ago

        Baez is a SS by trade, has a cannon, maybe the best true SS in the Cubs organization… SD will want him over Castro…… we’ll have trouble moving Castro

        Reply
    • raef715

      7 years ago

      i would think gyorko would end up with the Cubs at second base..
      they cant trade Happ already, right?

      Reply
      • jammin502

        7 years ago

        Right

        Reply
      • angryduck

        7 years ago

        Cubs have plenty of guys that can play 2B, they don’t need Gyorko

        Reply
        • angryduck

          7 years ago

          plus if we aren’t able to move Castro, then Russell is our starting 2B with Castro at short. I’d HATYE to lose Baez.. if he’s learned some pitch recognition, he’s a potential HOF’er with that bat speed (Gary Sheffield/Griffey Jr. like)

    • Injediwetrust

      7 years ago

      I would take that from a Pads standpoint. Book it

      Reply
    • angryduck

      7 years ago

      Cubs need to fix the 9th inning, I’d think Kimbrel would have to be part of the deal, Haren may be a bargaining chip, packaged with Baez, or Torres (who probably isn’t MLB ready yet)

      Reply
  3. yanks1990

    7 years ago

    And Cashman is still doing NOTHING. Does he not realize this team has holes.

    Reply
    • billbrasky

      7 years ago

      His team is in first place and has played sustainably good baseball all year. There’s not nearly as much pressure on him as there is on AA.

      Reply
      • Hentai King

        7 years ago

        LOL, you don’t only make moves for the regular season you make moves for the postseason as well. Yanks lost Nova and Pineda and are just sitting on their hands today. Good luck in the postseason with CC starting game 2 but it’s fine cause you had a 7 game lead in the division!

        Reply
        • janrique

          7 years ago

          Nova is starting Sunday. He’s not DL’d

    • max

      7 years ago

      His team is in first place by like 6 games! I believe they have the 3rd largest division lead in baseball after the Royals & Cardinals who have run away from their 2 divisions since opening day.

      Reply
  4. billbrasky

    7 years ago

    I’d love to be a fly on the wall with these three (four, if Theo & Hoyer are both involved) negotiating.

    Reply
  5. clutchcutch22

    7 years ago

    Have to believe Upton, Ross, and possibly others invloved from SD. Could be some big prospects going east and west.

    Reply
  6. MB923

    7 years ago

    @yanks1990 , do you not realize that every team in baseball has holes somewhere ? Good Lord.

    Wonder who the mystery players are. About 2.5 hours to find out.

    Reply
  7. cwh1983

    7 years ago

    As a Red Sox fan, we need some good news haha. And something to help us look forward to the 2016 season!!!

    Reply
  8. Draven Moss

    7 years ago

    If the Red Sox are trying to dump Sandoval, then I am fine with it. But hopefully it doesn’t include getting Shields back.

    Reply
    • iowarockeyes

      7 years ago

      What other way to do you see them dumping Sandoval? It is usually a bad contract for bad contract change of scenery type of trade.

      Reply
    • billbrasky

      7 years ago

      You should prefer Shields to Sandoval. You need pitching and Shields should be a solid mid-rotation arm at worst. He’s an AL East guy.

      Sandoval is a terrible fit in Boston.

      Reply
      • Bronx Bombers

        7 years ago

        Shields has horrible numbers at Fenway. 5.42 ERA in 74.2 innings

        Reply
  9. jtm2889

    7 years ago

    Not a bad deal suggested by Bogaerts. Although I imagine that San Diego may want a little more considering they would be giving up three-plus years of Kimbrel and two-plus of Ross, plus taking on the bad contract of Sandoval. But all in all a fair suggestion. Happ would of course have to be a PTBNL as he was just drafted.

    Reply
  10. MB923

    7 years ago

    If I was a Red Sox fan, I’d want Porcello gone ASAP more than anyone

    Reply
    • billbrasky

      7 years ago

      Really? I’d be praying for Panda to get moved. Not only is he a poor fit, he turned a good player (Hanley) into one with no value.

      Reply
    • Draven Moss

      7 years ago

      For me, it is Sandoval. Getting rid of Sandoval would put Hanley at 3rd and helps fix the defence to a certain extent. Porcello has been bad too, but he is still young and is definitely capable of rebounding. They need pitching too, so they might as well hang on to him rather than dump him.

      Reply
    • cwh1983

      7 years ago

      Seriously… The Dodgers in 2012 did an unprecedented move of assuming the contracts of Gonzalez, Crawford & Beckett. Which enabled the Sox front office to regroup. Just 2 short years later, they dolled out big contracts to Hanley, Pablo & Porcello. Once I see that Porcello is starting, I’m like “How bad will he be tonight?”

      Reply
      • billbrasky

        7 years ago

        Porcello should be fine. Not great, not worth the money, but fine. Hanley is actually a good contract if he plays third.

        Sandoval is the poison pill. That signing never made sense.

        Reply
        • adyo4552

          7 years ago

          Sure it did. The Sox were getting replacement-level production out of 3B last season, and they went out and got a guy in Sandoval who was coming off a 3.4 fWAR season. How were the Sox to know he would turn into a -.6 fWAR player so far in 2015? Hindsight is 20/20, but I don’t think anyone predicted such a precipitous drop in production from Sandoval. Furthermore, I think that since his career numbers have always been significantly higher than they are now, and he is only 28, we are likely to see some positive regression to the mean out of him in the future. One last point – Some have suggested he ruined Hanley’s signing by taking 3B away from him. Well, Sandoval can play 1B next season, so aside from the LF experiment for one year I don’t see it as neutering Ramirez the way it is currently being spun.

        • billbrasky

          7 years ago

          They had already signed Hanley Ramirez. The 3B “problem” was already fixed.

          He could not be expected to age well, already had fringy defense. And Sandoval is worth almost nothing at 1B, so that solves nothing. He’s not a good enough hitter.

  11. Alz147

    7 years ago

    I always thought both teams (Sox-Padres) would match-up great. Sandoval-Shields makes almost too much sense. Shields is AL proven and Sandoval is NL (west coast) proven. It needs to happen, maybe the Sox kick in some money.
    And as far as Ross goes, Boston definitely likes him, but I don’t know what the Padres would want. Owens/Johnson as headliner + young SS in Marrero + JBJ (would be a huge asset in Petco)

    Don’t see why the Sox would want Kimbrel. I know he is under contract beyond this season, but they also have Uehara.

    Let’s hope something comes to fruition.

    Reply
    • cwh1983

      7 years ago

      But Uehara will be 41 next season. 10 out of 10 times, I trade Uehara in a package that will send to Boston the cost controlled stud Kimbrel

      Reply
  12. pkels2

    7 years ago

    Dan Haren?? WTF Cubs. He’s barely a step up from Beeler.

    Reply
  13. mike156

    7 years ago

    Let’s see if those goes past the deadline. In the past, when help was needed on timing for certain transactions, Mr. Selig sometimes provided it. Wonder if Manfred has the same approach

    Reply
    • raef715

      7 years ago

      he did?
      we might just not find out about the details til after the deadline but im not aware of the commish pulling a favor.

      Reply
  14. sean1031

    7 years ago

    Joe Maddon wants James Shields.
    Sox will end up Ross and Kimbrel.
    Cubs will end up with Shields and either Bucholtz/Uehara
    SD will bring in Baez and Jackie Bradley Jr. And minor leaguers

    Reply
  15. jtm2889

    7 years ago

    The problem with Porcello is that already, 2/3 of a season into a 5 year deal, he has basically descended into, “Vernon Wells territory”; he is untradeable. Sandoval on the other hand still has value and a swap with San Diego for Shields makes sense. The problem with Uhehara is that he is 39 and can literally break down any moment. Kimbrel is a much safer play. A potential deal could see:
    San Diego gets Sandoval, Devers, Marco Hernandez and Pat Light.
    Chicago gets Uehara.
    Boston gets Shields, Kimbrel, Vogelbach and Catarini.
    Deal could be expanded to include Ross to Chicago.

    Reply
    • raef715

      7 years ago

      i still think Kimbrel ends up in Chicago in this scenario; Red Sox have a lot more pressing needs than a high priced closer.

      Reply
  16. azamolina

    7 years ago

    Red Sox hardly find another team so stupid as they want to acquire sandoval with such poor numbers and with such a high salary

    Reply
  17. Pads Fans

    7 years ago

    Why is it that nothing Buster Olney says ever comes to pass? You would think he would be right every once in a while, you know?

    Reply
  18. chive

    7 years ago

    Substitute CLE for SD.

    CLE gets: Castro (move to 3B), Coyle, Owens, and McKinnley
    CHC gets: Carrasco, Swisher
    BOS gets: Raburn, Lake, Hendricks, McAllister

    Who hangs up?

    Reply
    • Vandals Took The Handles

      7 years ago

      Cleveland has a young 3B that is their best looking young ballplayer in years. He’s already better then Castro.

      Reply
      • chive

        7 years ago

        Lol I don’t know what you’re smoking but Gio is not better than Castro. If Gio ever hits .300 in a season I’ll gladly eat my words…

        Reply
        • Vandals Took The Handles

          7 years ago

          Have you seen Gio play 3B? He’s a future gold glover. I saw him an AA and was knocked out by him. That young man is a ballplayer – he does everything well. Francona is knocked out by him. I was surprise it took him 3 weeks to realize what he had.

        • chive

          7 years ago

          That’s all well and good but your offense is in the bottom of the AL… At some point you’ve got to address that.

          And just for the record I’m a Cubs fan but I live in Cleveland and have adopted the Tribe as my second team. I want them to win as much as anyone…

      • raef715

        7 years ago

        who? urshela?

        Reply
      • miggypop44

        7 years ago

        are you talking about Santana? Good ball player and better than Castro, but hardly their “best looking young ballplayer in years.” I’d say Kipnis and Brantley are better and they are currently on the roster.

        Reply
    • hawk14

      7 years ago

      @chive Boston easily. Junior Lake is nothing special, McAllister is bullpen arm, and raburn is fourth of on a contender, only thing of interest is hendricks and he is a no.3 tops. More prospects need to be involved there on all sides. I don’t see why boston would even want to be in on this trade though tbh

      Reply
      • chive

        7 years ago

        Admittedly Lake is better suited going to CLE. Doesn’t Boston need bullpen help? McAllister has looked great in that role. Plus someone to add depth in Raburn and a young controllable arm? I would think that’d be fair for the price of Owens and Coyle…

        Reply
        • daver4470

          7 years ago

          You don’t trade an a-list left-handed 23-year-old starting pitcher for bullpen help.

  19. justinept

    7 years ago

    Gotta imagine that Kyle Hendricks is being discussed heavily in this trade – not as the main piece, but as a good piece.

    Reply
  20. Vandals Took The Handles

    7 years ago

    In any 3-way trade with these GM’s, I’m taking Epstein / Hoyer in a runaway.

    Reply
  21. daver4470

    7 years ago

    I’m not sure why the Red Sox would need to be involved in a Cubs deal for Kimbrell and Ross. Because certainly Ross would be one of the Padre offerings that the Red Sox would be seriously interested in….

    It would be amusing if this somehow involved Lester being dealt back to Boston. (Not gonna happen… but it would be very amusing!)

    Reply
  22. gettinlm

    7 years ago

    Cubs and Cubs fans need to calm down. Only a trade with long-term benefits should be sought. The Cubs, at best, are looking at a one-game wildcard playoff. Not worth putting a lot of eggs in that basket just for a 2-month rental player.

    Reply
  23. jtm2889

    7 years ago

    @Chive…that deal is an awful deal for Boston. Owens is a better prospect than Daniel Norris who just got dealt for Price (Owens has a career 3.30 ERA compared to Norris’ 4.30 ERA in the minors). Lake and Raburn have no value for Boston as they already have backups like Holt, Rutledge and Jackie Bradley.

    Reply
  24. cdb29349

    7 years ago

    I really think Castro has to be on the move. If it’s a significant trade, etc.

    Reply
  25. Wrek305

    7 years ago

    Cubs need Baez at 2nd if Castro is traded. Unless they get a. Power hitting 2B.

    Reply
    • justinept

      7 years ago

      Will someone tell me why the Padres are desperate for a SS, have been connected to the Cubs forever, and no one has once mentioned Gleybar Torres in a potential deal? The guy is significantly better than Mateo.

      Reply
      • FrankRoo

        7 years ago

        I don’t think Torres is on the table. Cubs seem to love him from what I’ve read. Granted what do you do with Torres if you think Russell is you shortstop for the next 6+ years?

        Reply
        • justinept

          7 years ago

          I think the Cubs love him, too. But they know they have to give up a SS in this deal, and they don’t want to give up Baez – so wouldn’t that make Torres the logical target? His name hasn’t even been mentioned anywhere. It’s a bit nutso.

  26. anoff

    7 years ago

    of course the Cubs would “love” to acquire a team controlled all-star SP and the 2nd best closer in baseball. But do they want to pay the king’s ransom that (should) cost? Come on Preller, stick to your guns, and commit some highway robbery!

    Reply
    • cookiemonster

      7 years ago

      well if you want to use the team controlled all star argument we have starlin castro…

      Reply
    • mrnatewalter

      7 years ago

      The guy who was robbed in the off-season becomes the robber at the deadline… in the words of Michael Scott, “Oh how the turn tables”

      Reply
    • justinept

      7 years ago

      So the Phills have to take back Harrison’s contract to get prospects back for Hamels… but the Padres don’t have to take back any money to get prospects in return for Kimbrel? I don’t follow Preller’s logic here.

      Reply
    • justinept

      7 years ago

      Cubs are likely offering either Baez or Torres along with Hendricks, and either McKinney or Edwards for Ross/Kimbrel. All they’re asking is for the Padres to take back the Castro deal so as to off-set half the money returning to the Cubs in the deal. That’s par for the course in prospect trades. The only way teams pay the totality of acquired contracts anymore is if they’re not giving any prospects back in return.

      Reply
  27. john59

    7 years ago

    hard to trust Cherington’s judgement anymore, afraid he will try to overdo to wipe out the big errors he made lately.

    Reply
  28. yanks1990

    7 years ago

    And Cashman does nothing still.

    Reply
    • cookiemonster

      7 years ago

      i see aaron harang in your future.

      Reply
  29. Bronx Bombers

    7 years ago

    Deal probably fell apart when Boston didn’t want to part with anyone from their untouchable farm system.

    Reply
    • FrankRoo

      7 years ago

      They’ll wait for Bradley to get into Maybin territory before they consider trading him.

      Reply
    • aurecas

      7 years ago

      Nope.

      Reply
  30. justacubsfan

    7 years ago

    Castro, Duane Underwood, Carl Edwards Junior, Billy Mckinney, Alcantara, Hendricks, pierce johnson, + Lake or Vogelbach to Padres for Craig Kimbrell + Tyson Ross to Cubs

    Reply
    • cookiemonster

      7 years ago

      lol with hendricks in there you dont need underwood and pierce johnson, thats massive overpay territory

      Reply
      • FrankRoo

        7 years ago

        Indeed. Hendricks won’t get moved unless the Cubs get two starters back. He’s probably going to be as good or better than Haren down the stretch.

        Right not it seems like they will go with Haren and Hendricks in the rotation and try and get perhaps Capps, Kimbrel or Benoit. Maybe they take on Gyorko along with Kimbrel to lighten the cost.

        Reply
  31. seamaholic

    7 years ago

    Are the Padres gonna do nothing, after all that?

    Reply
  32. Drew Mackenzie

    7 years ago

    K-Rod is available

    Reply
  33. Bill Smith

    7 years ago

    Tommy Hunter to Cubs?

    Reply
  34. coleham

    7 years ago

    Breaking news: Cubs decided they didn’t want anybody after all and went home. We was just reporting stuff so we could get more clicks on Mlbtraderumors. Sorry

    Reply
  35. citizen

    7 years ago

    cubs got hunter from orioles for junior lake

    Reply
  36. citizen

    7 years ago

    cubs get hunter from orioles for jr. lake

    Reply

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