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Latest On Padres: Baez, Kimbrel, Deadline Strategy

By Jeff Todd | July 29, 2015 at 2:15pm CDT

2:15pm: The Padres have engaged in at least some discussions with the Cubs regarding young infielder Javier Baez, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports. Chicago is said to be pursuing pitching, and we heard last week that they had exchanged ideas with San Diego.

Meanwhile, the Friars seem increasingly likely to hold onto Craig Kimbrel, reports Heyman. The team lost a significant suitor when the Nationals got Jonathan Papelbon, and San Diego has been unable to convince the Yankees to give up shortstop prospect Jorge Mateo in a deal.

11:40am: The Padres continue to explore a wide array of options on this year’s trade market, though they’ve yet to make a move. Multiple reports suggest that the team is still weighing its ultimate approach, perhaps considering major moves while also preparing for a more modest sell-off.

Jayson Stark of ESPN.com hears that rival teams expect San Diego to be “super active” and pursue a “huge deal” of some kind (via ESPN.com’s trade deadline page), with the team said to be considering deals on controllable rotation pieces such as James Shields, Andrew Cashner, and even Tyson Ross.

[RELATED: Rangers Discussing Ross, Cashner With Padres]

The inclusion of those names on the market could even reduce the Phillies’ leverage with regard to Cole Hamels negotiations, executives with other clubs tell Stark. The Phillies, of course, are said to be asking teams with interest to get their bids in on the lefty today.

Meanwhile, Dennis Lin of the San Diego Union-Tribune reports that Padres GM A.J. Preller could “take a more measured approach” in selling than he did in compiling assets over the winter. San Diego wants “substantive” value in its deals, per the report.

Efforts to move Shields have not resulted in promising offers of yet, says Lin, and he could become an August trade piece. And while San Diego is indeed discussing both Cashner and Ross, it seems hesitant to part with them. There is some belief within the organization that larger-scale moves could wait for the winter.

The club does still appear likely to move its short-term assets, per the Union-Tribune. There is still at least some possibility, though, that it will hold onto Justin Upton and make him a qualifying offer, with talks not yet having produced a substantial enough return, though it seems rather likely that something with come together on the slugger. Other pieces fairly likely to be dealt include Ian Kennedy, Joaquin Benoit, and Will Venable.

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  1. justinept

    10 years ago

    Figure CJ Edwards, Billy McKinney, Eloy Jimenez, and Starlin Castro would be enough for Ross and Kimbrel. That’s two top-50 prospects plus an 18-year old who was the top Int’l FA prospect two years ago. Castro is really just in there to match some of the $15 million in salary commitments coming back to the Cubs.

    Reply
    • myaccount

      10 years ago

      That’s a really good suggestion. Seemingly mutually beneficial. This would definitely be the above mentioned measured approach by Preller, while giving the Cubs a solid arm to slot in either in front or behind Arrieta plus a dominant closer. Not sure either team says no.

      Reply
    • MLB4LIFE

      10 years ago

      Yeah, Jiminez got pulled from the game.Seems like something is brewing

      Reply
      • MLB4LIFE

        10 years ago

        Looks like it might have just been a sore shoulder

        Reply
        • justinept

          10 years ago

          Emerald newspaper said hamstring, then Mooney said it was a shoulder. Not sure who to believe or even where the information is coming from. Possibility that both are speculating.

          Reply
        • justinept

          10 years ago

          Update: Emerald beat reporter classified hamstring based on mishearing the broadcaster’s audio… Is unaware of any should injury.

          Reply
    • cookiemonster

      10 years ago

      nah, the pads want to include gyorko if taking back castros contract. and you keep jimenez, no way you trade him. add duane underwood or pierce johnson or chesny young but you keep jimenez. hes so far away hes not adding real value to the trade and has such a ceiling you hang on to him as long as you can.

      Reply
      • double

        10 years ago

        Yeah, the Padres are in a financial pickle with Shields, Upton, Kemp, and Gyorko. No way they take on another big contract. If anything they’ll try to shed them. And that certainly isn’t enough for Ross AND Kimbrel.

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        • cookiemonster

          10 years ago

          the pads way overpaid for kimbrel to begin with. hes not cheap at all. idk if they really are a fit. maybe gyorko and ross for mckinney, castro, edwards and pierce johnson.

          Reply
        • justinept

          10 years ago

          Fair. They took on a couple stupid contracts last year, and they inherited one with Gyorko. But the question boils down to what’s more important to the Padres – restocking their farm system or shedding payroll.

          Not only is this specific package enough, imo, for both players – but it’s actually a bit more than is likely needed because of Castro’s inclusion. It includes BA’s 30th ranked prospect in the mid-season report, BA’s 38th ranked prospect in their preseason report (no longer top-50, though) plus a guy in Jimenez who hasn’t really done anything to hurt his stance as the top Int’ FA signing in 2013.

          Reply
        • Dock_Elvis

          10 years ago

          Deal with Colorado centered around Gyorko for Reyes possibly

          Reply
      • justinept

        10 years ago

        Value is determined by the scouts. I know what his value was two years ago, though I admittedly have no idea what that value is today. If Padres scouts think the guy is going to be a stud, then they’ll pay accordingly. And if they don’t see it that way, then yes, it’s best to just hold on to him.

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        • cookiemonster

          10 years ago

          you cant sell him as a power hitting bat if he hasnt shown the power. so you are selling low regardless. the scouts may love him but proximity to the majors/ results plays a major role in trade valuations.

          Reply
          • justinept

            10 years ago

            Power is ALWAYS projected with kids 20 and younger. You know that, right? That’s what scouts get paid to do – project. They really don’t care about stats in the minors at all.

            Reply
          • cookiemonster

            10 years ago

            lol, no, thats why there is in game power and raw power. a simple adjustment can allow them to get to it in game. but until he is higher in the minors you are selling low!

            Reply
    • YourDaddy

      10 years ago

      Not even close to enough. Ross is a top 15 pitcher in the game. I don’t think the Padres looking to move Ross and would have to be overwhelmed by an offer to move him. Maybe something like Baez, Alcantara, CJ Edwards and another low level prospect would get Ross. Then another similar package in a separate trade for Kimbrel.

      Reply
      • refugee

        10 years ago

        Top 15 in the game? Seems slightly over stated

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        • justinept

          10 years ago

          Zach Greinke, Clayton Kershaw, Madison Bumgarner, Gerrit Cole, Johnny Cueto, Cole Hamels, Jose Fernandez, Shelby Miller, Matt Harvey , Max Scherzer, Jordan Zimmerman, Dallas Keuchel, Felix Hernandez, Sonny Gray, Chris Sale, David Price, Cory Kluber, Chris Archer… And those are just the guys you couldn’t even debate…

          Pitchers you’d lose the debate on would include: Michael Wacha, Carlos Martinez, Jon Lester, Jake Arietta, Stephen Strasburg, Yovani Gallardo, and Scott Kazmir,

          Pitchers you could argue he’s similar to: Carlos Carrasco, Julio Teheran, Jeff Samardzija,..

          He’s good. But top-15? Not even close.

          Reply
          • cookiemonster

            10 years ago

            arrietta is better than quite a few you listed on your can’t debate

            Reply
        • YourDaddy

          10 years ago

          Stats don’t lie. Look at his stats as a Padre and then tell me that its overstated in any way.

          Reply
          • EB

            10 years ago

            He has worse stats than all of those pitchers listed above.

            Reply
    • YourDaddy

      10 years ago

      To give you an idea of what it would take to get Kimbrel alone, Preller asked the Nationals for AJ Cole, Trea Turner and two additional prospects. No reason to take on Castro and his bad attitude, lack of offensive production and defensive skills, and bad contract. Go ahead and downvote this even though you know its the truth.

      Reply
      • justinept

        10 years ago

        …and the Nationals hung up the phone immediately, which should tell you what his actual value is. You can ask for whoever you want. Heck, Amaro asked for Kris Bryant AND Javier Baez for Cole Hamels last August. But now that we’re closer to the deadline this year, Philly’s expectations are a little bit more reasonable.

        As for Castro’s attitude – YOU DON’T KNOW HIM! I can’t stand when people talk about baseball players like they’re old friends. You’ve never met him or spoken to him. You don’t have mutual friends. You basically have no idea what you’re talking about when you say “bad attitude.” But hey – go ahead and down vote this because you’re upset that you got called out for a BS comment.

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        • refugee

          10 years ago

          I find this comment “we (the Padres) plan on taking a more measured approach in selling assets than we did in compiling them.” to be both telling and hilarious.

          Translation–we were drunken sailors this spring who really didn’t pay close enough attention to what we were doing and now that we’re in deep deep doo doo–we plan to be a little more careful.

          Reply
          • justinept

            10 years ago

            Gotta love when a GM admits his own mistakes, then asks a team to give him double what he paid for those mistakes… “I know I messed up by trading away the 33rd ranked prospect for this guy… but I’ll need the 9th ranked prospect in return if you want him. Plus, throw in three more guys, too…”

            Reply
        • YourDaddy

          10 years ago

          The Nationals didnt hang up the phone, they offered something else the Padres were not willing to accept that still had AJ Cole as part of it. When the Padres shut them down, the Nationals went and got a lesser player in Papelbon.

          Castro’s attitude is well documented in the Chicago press. Not just one or two writers have commented on it. 21 that I found in a quick google search have said exactly that. Not only that. Its evident in his body language on the field. I don’t have to know him to know what that many other and my eyes tell me. You can try to defend him or get indignant about the overwhelming evidence of his bad attitude, but he will still have a bad attitude.

          Reply
          • EB

            10 years ago

            That never happened.

            Reply
          • justinept

            10 years ago

            No Chicago media has bashed his attitude. They’ve criticized his focus, but never his attitude. I do know him, and I know a bunch of his teammates, too. You can make up whatever story you want about the guy, but you NEVER have any clue what kind of person a player is from watching him on TV or reading about him on the internet.

            As for the Nats offering Cole… So you’re telling me that they offered AJ Cole, the Nats said no… and then the Nats went out and asked for a significantly less talented prospect? Right…

            Reply
      • justinept

        10 years ago

        Couldn’t even get Jorge Mateo in a Kimbrel deal… and you think the guy is worth how much? Right…

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        • YourDaddy

          10 years ago

          The Padres asked for Severino, Mateo and Sanchez according to the YES Network. They were turned down on Mateo. The Padres need a shortstop and if they are going to move the best closer in the game, they want what they want or they wont trade him. I applaud them for not trading from a position of weakness.

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          • justinept

            10 years ago

            So the Yankees were willing to give up the 17th rated prospect in baseball and a ML ready catcher… but they drew the line at giving up an average prospect who is hitting .275 in A ball? The hilarious thing is that you actually believe what you’re saying.

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      • Jorge Soler Powered

        10 years ago

        Castro doesn’t have a bad attitude. He sometimes lacks focus, but he’s never had any run ins with team mates or coaches. He’s no Puig, that’s for sure.

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        • YourDaddy

          10 years ago

          I get that a Cubs fan would want to try to defend him. You may want to take it up with the Chicago and national baseball media who say consistently that he has a bad attitude.

          Reply
          • cookiemonster

            10 years ago

            no one has ever said bad attitude. its lack of focus and getting down on himself. but by all accounts is loved by teammates and works hard off the field.

            Reply
  2. holecamels35

    10 years ago

    I still feel like it would be very fitting to see the Cubs try their hardest to pry some of that cost-controlled pitching from them and most likely trade Starlin Castro. He just seems to fit their whole routine of going after big name players and their hole at short stop. Cubs can throw in a decent prospect or two and maybe get Gyorko back as well. It sure would be funny to see them come full circle and get Cashner and that would be humiliating for the Pads.

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    • coleham

      10 years ago

      Rizzo was a good trade. I’m
      sure Cashner would be fine with it. My brother works for the TN Smokies the Cubs AA team when Cashner was there. Said Cashner was pretty upset when he found out he was traded. I think he wanted to be part of the Cubs possible future WS. I’d think any player that’s a part of that team will instantly become a legend.

      Reply
  3. parks

    10 years ago

    If Dombrowski is serious about competing, then he should consider selling the entire farm for some rotation-bullpen combo.

    Reply
    • max l

      10 years ago

      Who does Detroit even have left to sell??

      Reply
  4. Ray Ray

    10 years ago

    Padres roster building strategy is like a dog chasing its tail. Most of the time you get nothing, but even when you catch it…it hurts you more than helps you.

    Reply
  5. Injediwetrust

    10 years ago

    Mike Dee was on the radio this morning on xx1090 giving a different picture. Dee’s opinion was more in line with Lin than Stark.

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    • YourDaddy

      10 years ago

      Dee, Fowler and Preller have been consistent in saying they are in no hurry to trade guys and will only do it if it helps the team win now. All those thinking that the Padres will dump players and take a loss are going to be disappointed. Dont think they are going to take your team’s garbage just to move a contract. Its not happening.

      Reply
      • refugee

        10 years ago

        You mean like Melvin Upton?

        Reply
        • YourDaddy

          10 years ago

          Remember that the Padres dumped players and $35 million in salary in that deal too. AND they got the best closer in the game, hands down.

          Reply
          • justinept

            10 years ago

            Oh… so the Padres can dump players to lower their incoming salary obligations, but when it’s suggests that other teams do the same to match salary in trades with the Padres — well, in that case it’s just ‘garbage.’

            Reply
          • cookiemonster

            10 years ago

            for all those games he’s closing right? seems like they could use that cf,2b and back end starter back…

            Reply
      • justinept

        10 years ago

        No one is suggesting they take back garbage. The problem is that you can’t decipher the difference between garbage and salary off-setters. So let me break it down for you –

        Craig Kimbrel will make $11 mil next year. Tyson Ross will probably get a bump close to $8 mil next year. No team is going to take back that kind of money w/o having some kind of off-set. Why do you think the Braves so willingly took back presumed garbage like Maybin and Quentin in the Kimbrel deal? It’s because they knew that no one was just going to take on all that salary.

        In the end, the Padres took back a combined $8.5 million additional salary commitment for this season w/ the Kimbrel trade. Teams gunning for Kimbrel/Ross aren’t going to want to go much past that – hence why so many trades connecting those two with the Cubs have Castro included. It’s not because people think Castro has some hidden value. It’s because it would lower the Cubs additional salary commitments for 2016 to $8.5 million instead of $18 million. Other teams are going to expect similar players be included into the deal for the same reason.

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        • justinept

          10 years ago

          yep… another ignorant down vote from PadsFan that comes without any rebuttal. Face it – you can’t have it both ways. You can’t expect to get to get top of the line prospects w/o off-setting any of the future salary commitments. Cry, complain, down vote – I don’t care. This is standard in MLB trades.

          Reply
        • YourDaddy

          10 years ago

          Castro is garbage. .230, bad attitude, bad defense. Its a bad contract that somehow people think the Padres should give up a top 15 pitcher in the game for him. Its not happening. Get over it.

          The Padres can easily afford Ross, Cashner and Kimbrel. Even if they don’t move anyone other than allowing the free agents to walk they are still under $100 million and Fowler and Dee have both said that they are willing to keep the payroll the same or raise it.

          The Braves GM thought and still says publicly that the soonest they will contend is 2017. Why have an expensive closer when you are not planning on contending? That is why they moved him. They thought, and rightly so, that Wisler would turn into a nice back of the rotation starter that is under team control for 6 years and Maybin would bounce back and be tradable.

          Get this straight. No one is going to get Ross and Kimbrel in the same trade. Preller and Dee have made that crystal clear in SD area interviews this week. They have also both said that Ross and Cashner are not being shopped, but that it would be unwise to not listen to offers if, and this is the BIG IF, they can make the major league team better today.

          Even the Chicago area media have already said the Padres said no to Castro. Its done. Its not happening. Enough.

          Reply
          • justinept

            10 years ago

            You almost lost when you pretended to know Castro again… Then you lost me completely when you again acted like Ross is a top-15 pitcher in baseball. He’s not. We’ve had this discussion. There are at least 30 pitchers I can think of off the top of my head that are better than Ross. Heck, 16% of MLB players made the All-Star team. You’d think they could’ve made room for a top-15 pitcher… right.

            As for this Kimbrel non-sense, the Padres asked for an average SS prospect from the Yankees… and were turned down! Not only are the Padres asking for average prospects, but they’re finding that they can’t them.

            So go on and tell me how the 30th and 38th ranked prospects are garbage. Tell me how an 18-year old power hitter is garbage. And then tell me why the Padres are failing in their attempt to obtain average prospect returns for Kimbrel if he’s so untouchable.

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          • cookiemonster

            10 years ago

            so castro is a bad contract, but im sure you think gyorko adds value to a trade?

            Reply
  6. bbatardo

    10 years ago

    What gets overlooked is yes the Padres want to shed salary, but not to have a lower payroll, but to have more money to invest into newer players.

    Reply
  7. Lefty_Orioles_Fan

    10 years ago

    Well, what is the Padres strategy exactly?
    I mean last year Cashner was allegedly untouchable and now….
    If the Padres are going to give up like this, then they should give up on their GM

    Reply
    • justinept

      10 years ago

      Well, Cashner’s ‘untouchable’ label came from a different GM. So there’s that…

      Reply
      • UnderRatedFlaherty

        10 years ago

        Personally I would love to see him get that snow cone machine in the clubhouse…

        Reply
    • Injediwetrust

      10 years ago

      If I had to guess, a couple things. He has value. Cashner and his agent have shown no interest in discussing an extension. Pitchers are easier to come by than SS or 3b. Paraphrasing for Mike Dee this morning, it is more of due diligence to shop Cashner to see what others are offering instead of a need to move him.

      Reply
  8. bdoo

    10 years ago

    i’ll give it to preller he at least tried to make moves to put a competitive team out there. Sure beats the crap team they put out there the past 5 years.

    Also i wouldnt be surprised on how quick they build the farm system if they do make trades this deadline plus with prellers international background i bet he’ll be getting some good prospects with most of the major clubs blowing their load this past signing period.

    Reply
  9. Bob Smiley

    10 years ago

    Yankees should trade Mateo and not worry about it. they can buy the next SS.

    Reply
  10. FrankRoo

    10 years ago

    With Baez showing some good results with the adjustments he’s made I’d hold onto him. The Cubs are lacking offense and as of right now the best team they can field IMO is Russell at SS and Baez at 2B. If Castro can figure it out insert him back in at 2B and move Baez to 3B and Bryant to LF. But as of now the Cubs sorely need some offense. If it’s Ross you are going after I’d be more inclined to trade Baez, but at this point I’d call him up and see what he can do, even if that means selling low on Castro to acquire a mid rotation arm and moving Russell to SS as a result.

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    • Dock_Elvis

      10 years ago

      If the Rockies truly are shopping Gonzalez… I certainly hope they are speaking to the Cubs. If Baez could ever develop as a hitter he’d mash as a.2B in Denver

      Reply
      • FrankRoo

        10 years ago

        Where do you play DJ, Reyes and Arenado in that scenario? Colorado wants pitching from the looks of it.

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        • Dock_Elvis

          10 years ago

          I’m envisioning Reyes being dealt and sliding DJ over until Story is ready. Arenado stays at 3B…he’s most excellent there. It’s just an idea to increase Baez’s already prodigious power potential. Has Baez been run out in the OF? I could be wrong, but I think it’s been tried

          Reply
    • coleham

      10 years ago

      He will be back up by the end of the season. Kid needs to learn to take pitches and learn some patience. If they put him in front of say Rizzo or Bryant he may get some pitches.

      Reply
  11. Dock_Elvis

    10 years ago

    Baez for Ross

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    • RedRooster

      10 years ago

      Not interested in Baez

      Reply
      • libertyfighter

        10 years ago

        Looking at the other young SS available, Baez is interesting in that he has shown decent power through out his minor league career and even in his short stint in MLB in 2014. I know nothing of his defensive skills, but I think that he may be the best the Padres can do for a SS in 2016. Cabrera for Tampa Bay is a free agent, outside of that, not sure what else is available for the Padres.

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      • YourDaddy

        10 years ago

        Then you are just not thinking right. Baez as the headliner of a group of 2-3 other top prospects would make trading Ross worth it. The Padres asked for Baez, Alcantara and 2 others for Shields. Ross is worth more than Shields, so add CJ Edwards and another B prospect and maybe that deal gets done.

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        • cookiemonster

          10 years ago

          the padres asked for prince harry’s first born as well but were turned down…

          Reply
    • libertyfighter

      10 years ago

      Ross for Baez + ?

      Reply
  12. rocky7

    10 years ago

    I keep reading how Kimbrel is the best closer in the game from Padres fans…..excuse me, I don’t think so….closing for a losing team doesn’t exactly add up to the elite comments I’ve been reading.
    And, what about that “Rock Star GM” that cleared out the farm and spent money like a drunken sailor.
    Have fun Padres fans!!!

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    • Dock_Elvis

      10 years ago

      Kimbrel with the Braves was likely the best closer in the game…..and Atlanta completely capitalized on that.

      Reply
  13. Dock_Elvis

    10 years ago

    Have to wonder if a team would even pick up Shields contract in August as a waiver claim.

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