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AL East Notes: Red Sox, Rodriguez, Orioles, Yankees

By Jeff Todd | July 16, 2015 at 8:42am CDT

Red Sox president/CEO Larry Lucchino told WEEI’s Dennis & Callahan this morning that he still thinks it’s “too early to put a definitive conclusion to this season” or to make a final evaluation as to whether the team’s offseason moves were wise. That being said, he also acknowledged that at least some judgments will need to be made in short order, as the trade deadline looms.

Here’s the latest out of Boston and the rest of the American League East:

  • As the Red Sox come out of the break, hopeful of maintaining a recent surge, the club faces tough questions regarding the management of Eduardo Rodriguez’s workload, writes Rob Bradford of WEEI.com. Rodriguez has been a huge boon to the team’s chances, but has yet to top 145 innings as a professional. Boston has yet to arrive at a number that the 22-year-old will be allowed to approach this year, according to pitching coach Carl Willis, but expects to at some point. “We’ve looked into it, really just scratching the surface, looking at his innings, looking at the schedule going forward to kind of be prepared when that time starts to present itself,” says Willis. “Knowing how to manage it, whether it be moving him back in the rotation, or utilizing off days. Obviously how we’re playing as a club factors in, but the most important of the equation is Eddie and keeping him going through the end of the season, wanting him to pitch through to the end. Collectively [manager] John [Farrell], myself, [GM] Ben [Cherington], we’ll look at that. But his best interest takes precedence.” While Boston wants to be mindful of the hope of having him in the postseason, per Willis, it has a long road even to get there.
  • The Orioles do not seem to have the same overall chemistry that they have in years past, Peter Schmuck of the Baltimore Sun writes. While Baltimore has frequently utilized roster moves in recent seasons to squeeze value out of its payroll, without ill effect, Schmuck now sees signs of friction. As he puts it, the “emotional equation” is different this year with several veterans being cut loose and numerous others playing in contract years. (Two examples cited are the roster-driven Wei-Yin Chen optional assignment and the question of moving Bud Norris to the pen.) It’s an interesting piece regarding a hard-to-assess element of the transactional process.
  • One area that has not worked out as hoped for the Orioles is the outfield, as Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun explains. It was never going to be easy for the team to fill in for departed veterans Nelson Cruz and Nick Markakis, but the team’s efforts have obviously not quite panned out — as demonstrated by the fact that both Alejandro De Aza and Delmon Young ended up on the DFA ledger. Now, despite having a variety of options still on the roster, executive VP Dan Duquette indicates to Connolly that an outfield addition is on the table.
  • Looking ahead by looking back, the Yankees are more likely to attack the deadline with their purse than their prospects, writes Joel Sherman of the New York Post. Taking on big contracts in exchange for lesser-regarded prospects has become a Brian Cashman MO, says Sherman. And the team has also tended to eschew the acquisition of major stars in favor of adding useful pieces to deepen its roster. Sherman says he expects a quiet deadline this time around.
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  1. uiguy

    10 years ago

    Would be nice if the O’s could get a package going for Fiers and Parra (mostly for Parra). Gets some use out of Machado’s great bat by pushing him to 2nd in the order and gets solid defense in the OF, as well as adds another hopeful arm to the rotation/bullpen. I could see a package of Wright/Wilson/Walker to get it done.

    Definitely a “big splash” as it relates to the O’s, so it won’t happen, but it’s the type of move that screams Orioles and could help out tremendously as they push for the playoffs.

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    • jackiemays

      10 years ago

      This month’s remaining schedule will probably be very tough for the O’s. I think Duquette will desperately try to trade Wieters, Davis and Chen at the days bordering the deadline.

      Reply
  2. mookiessnarl

    10 years ago

    Red Sox should just go to a six man rotation. Call up Wright and Owens or Kelly so you can limit innings or the rookies. But under no circumstances should Masterson go back into the rotation. That leaves you with Rodriguez, Porcello, Miley, Johnson, Wright, Owens or Kelly. Acquire a veteran and drop down the guy who performs the worst. Or limit the rookies to 5 innings per start and have Kelly or Wright function as a long reliever. Have to think the season is pretty much over if they don’t acquire a pitcher soon. Can’t make it work with that many ineffective or young pitchers.

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    • User 4245925809

      10 years ago

      6 man rotations might upset the normal days off routine of the starters is the thing. I see the point however in limiting innings for both Rodriquez and Johnson this year.

      Would like to see Kelly moved to the bullpen immediately and Jorge Marban promoted from Portland to Pawtucket. Marban is a Pat Light clone, with a FB a couple of ticks slower, only (to me) maybe a slightly better splitter. The best amateur FA they signed this year and this guy they signed out of the Aussie league after dominating there this past season.

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    • jackiemays

      10 years ago

      I think this season is already pretty much over for the Red Sox, and is better for the franchise not to waste their young core with a veteran pitcher, at least until the season ending.

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      • Draven Moss

        10 years ago

        The veteran they’d acquire would be under contract for next season as well. They are gonna have to upgrade the rotation regardless, so whether they want to make that upgrade at the deadline this year or in the offseason doesn’t make much of a difference (unless they plan to target Price, Cueto, etc., but that is highly unlikely).

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    • Draven Moss

      10 years ago

      Is Henry Owens on an innings count? He pitched ~160 innings last year, which makes me believe he could push 200 innings if we call upon him down the stretch. I’m personally not a fan of a 6-man rotation. I think a good call could be to run with a rotation of Porcello-Miley-Kelly-ERod-Johnson rotation for now (the rookies are last to give them less appearances, though I’m not sure how much it matters), and whenever they decide to shutdown E-Rod and Johnson, hopefully Buchholz is back and Owens can be called upon to get his feet wet in the MLB. I’m personally not a fan of limiting innings as I don’t think it is the most effective way for injury prevention. To me, they should monitor their pitch counts and their pitchers per inning more so than innings pitched. I guess they could put both of them in the bullpen later in the year, or maybe they can shut them down for a certain period of rest (and then put them in the rotation again). Of course, this probably doesn’t matter all that much if they aren’t gonna be playing in October.

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      • mookiessnarl

        10 years ago

        They increase by 20% so Owens would be able to go pretty close to 200. Although he also has the most innings on his arm so far with 104.1. And he’s also been the worst of the three this year. Johnson is at 85.2 and Rodriguez is at 101. Both Johnson and Rodriguez are looking at 160-170. If they want they can finagle it so they get the extra time off and the veterans are operating on a 5 day schedule. The can do a 6 man rotation where one of the three just skips a start per week if they want. Less than ideal sure, but having three rookies in the starting rotation isn’t exactly ideal. And as of right now, I wouldn’t rule out backing into a playoff spot, but it depends on what Ben does in the next few weeks. If they can still manage to win with this cobbled together rotation, you have to figure he would have to go out and get a starter. And I’m not interested in a rental or someone over 30. He knows he needs to spend big and land a controllable ace a la Pedro or Beckett.

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        • Draven Moss

          10 years ago

          That is the type of rotation structure I’d like the see and it definately makes the most sense. As for pitching targets, I don’t know if there are gonna be any controllable aces available. Realistically, the A’s aren’t trading Gray and the White Sox aren’t trading Sale (though I wouldn’t mind the Red Sox pursuing Quintana if the White Sox are willing to listen). My personal favourite target would be Tyson Ross because I think he can improve even more than he currently has. Of course, that is all dependant upon Preller willing to listen to offers on him, and he might be content with keeping guys with control beyond this year.

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          • mookiessnarl

            10 years ago

            I’m not sure if it’s just something that isn’t being done anymore or if Ben just needs to offer more. Sale is definitely not being moved. Beane would trade his own son for the right price, so I wouldn’t rule out Gray. I would target Ross or Quintana. Maybe Cashner? There has to be something available out there. Just have to be willing to pay the price. If the price is Swihart+ so be it. Swihart, Margot, Owens and a throw in? I’d do it for Gray.

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            • Draven Moss

              10 years ago

              The issue we have with the A’s is that we don’t match up well with them in a trade, unless they trade Vogt, which I wouldn’t be surprised by (but they still have Phegley too). I saw a White Sox fan article propose a Swihart and Marrero deal for Quintana, which is something I’d consider if I were either team. I like Ross a lot, but not so much Cashner as he doesn’t have a great track of success and seems to be injured a lot.

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  3. Jorge Soler Powered

    10 years ago

    I thought the new stats eliminated the need for chemistry?

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  4. NoRegretzkys

    10 years ago

    Not related to this article, but related to the AL East… but what would the Jays have to give up to get Shields? He has a back-loaded contract, cheap this year which the Jays can afford and getting bigger next year with Dickey (maybe) coming off the books, as well as Buehrle, they’d have the room. I’m sure something with San Diego could be worked out, whether it be to address the starting rotation or the bullpen. Any thoughts?

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    • Draven Moss

      10 years ago

      I don’t think it would take much to get him. He has a pretty bad contract and at this point, I would think the Padres would love to dump his salary. It would probably take a couple B-level prospects with the Jays eating all his salary.

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      • NoRegretzkys

        10 years ago

        But I’m thinking more of a blockbuster as well, Shields + one of Cashner/Ross/Kimbrel. Jays are not just one piece away from being real contenders, they need at least 2 arms, plus a LF. If it means giving up Stroman to get a deal like that done, why not? If you want to trade for quality players, you have to give quality in return. So many Jays fans are against giving up Stroman…but the Jays have SO many pitching prospects. It’s a 5 man rotation. What’s wrong with Shields, Ross, Hutchison, Sanchez, Norris for next year? There’s still a ton of other pitching prospects they have, including Hoffman, who was a projected #1 before his TJ surgery. As far as I’m concerned, Hoffman would be the only untouchable for the Jays. But I think I am in the minority of Jays fans with that opinion.

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        • Draven Moss

          10 years ago

          To me, Stroman is their most untouchable piece. Last year he had stats which suggested he was an ace in the making, already at the MLB level. To me, I would consider dealing Norris, Hoffman, Pentecost, etc. before him because of what he has already proven in the MLB. If they want to make a big blockbuster deal, they should still be able to do so with Stroman excluded, so long as they are willing to give up Norris and Hoffman. Basically what Stroman showed last year is what Hoffman can potentially be.

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          • NoRegretzkys

            10 years ago

            I guess you’re right. Potential is just that. Potential. Stroman has already shown he’s ready, and Hoffman is one more TJ away from being a bust. Hoffman’s value would be high now, but would plummet if he hurts his arm again. Either way. I’d like to see the Jays do something like that, however I won’t be disappointed if they stand pat for this year and spend in the off-season. The Jays are what they are right now, a .500 team, and will be at the end of the year if they keep the team as it is now. I have noticed that AA prefers those big, multi-player headline deals. We shall see!

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            • stymeedone

              10 years ago

              keep in mind that Toronto can NOT absorb much salary. Reports are that they have only 8MM wiggle room in their budget. They can’t afford to take all of Shields contract.

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              • NoRegretzkys

                10 years ago

                If they would go after Shields only…his salary is 10 million this year, it doubles next year. I’m sure AA could squeeze 2 more million out of Rogers. I do remember AA also saying he would get the go ahead to increase the funds he has available if he can justify it. But even still, they need more than 1 pitcher, so you’re right, they wouldn’t able to afford the other 2 probably.

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        • NoRegretzkys

          10 years ago

          Ok…my first question was just about James Shields. Lets say AA calls up San Diego asking for Shields, Kimbrel and Ross. 3 pitchers all under control for a few years like AA wants. This year those 3 would have like 12 million remaining on their contracts, which the Jays can probably afford, and after this year they can lose Dickey and Buehrle, and Romero also comes off the books. Those 3 are costing the Jays 40 million this year. Shields, Kimbrel and Ross will cost the Jays 24.5 million next year. I say let Stroman go if that’s what it takes. I know Draven you want Ross in Boston, but I agree with you he’s got potential to improve.

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          • Draven Moss

            10 years ago

            I’d assume you’d be looking at Norris, Hoffman, one of Pentecost/Pompey, and a couple smaller pieces if the Jays eat majority of the cash, maybe a bit less. I’m not sure how much value Stroman has right now coming back from injury (it would be selling low), but he probably would have around the same value as one of Norris/Hoffman and one of Pentecost/Pompey.

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            • NoRegretzkys

              10 years ago

              I’d say the Jays eat all the cash. They’d go over their “budget” this year, but would be ahead next year. I think my math was off for what those 3 would cost next year (I used this years salary, when Shields salary doubles next year) It would be 30 million next year, plus Ross who is up for arbitration and will have a raise over his 5.25. So still, losing Buehrle, Dickey, and Romero saves 40 million, they’d be replaced by Shields, Ross, and Kimbrel for the same salary. I’d have no problem giving up Pentecost or Pompey, plus a A pitching prospect, and more.

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              • NoRegretzkys

                10 years ago

                I just believe the Jays and San Diego match up pretty well to make a deal. They have the players that are under control for a few years that AA wants. San Diego doesn’t want a full rebuild, although this year I think they have given up on. They would need some MLB ready talent in return, which is why I’d say Stroman over Hoffman going the other way, and with Martin blocking Pentecost, and with the Jays needing some OF depth I see them keeping Pompey…Stroman, Norris, Pentecost + some other prospects might get the conversation started. Maybe I’m way off, I’m no expert. Just throwing my thoughts out there.

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    • Jizz Chasholm

      10 years ago

      If we take on most if not all of his salary, no top prospects, if not, probably one of Castro/Pentecost plus others

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  5. User 4245925809

    10 years ago

    Think Davis is the guy Duquette has the best chance of resigning of his top FA. Weiters will probably find a deal in the Russel Martin range, but Boras will be hard pressed with Davis. He had that same issue when trying to market Carlos Pena his FA seasons and Pena was a GG caliber defender at 1b, something Davis isn’t.

    Wouldn’t shock me that Boras declines the 17m qualifying offer, then winds up signing a 2y offer in the 25-30m range after the new year.

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    • Rally Weimaraner

      10 years ago

      Unless Weiters has a great second half a dont think he will land a deal as large as Russel Martin. Weiters is coming of a major injury, is having a down offensive year and never has been as good defensively as Martin.

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  6. Steve_in_MA

    10 years ago

    The BoSox have one thing going for them. We have lots of pitching prospects who are ready to come up and make some spot starts. There are all the usual names available down in Pawtucket, and I would add to the list one William Cuevas from Portland, who started the Eastern League All-Star Game. He’s pitching well, is not a “kid” at 25, and despite needing some roster gymnastics to get him up to the MLB, would be worth a look. I don’t think innings will be a problem for E-Rod in the sense that he can be given adequate rest.

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