It doesn’t look like A.J. Preller and the Padres will be big spenders the way they were last winter, Dennis Lin of the San Diego Union-Tribune writes in a preview of the team’s offseason. Lin notes that starting pitcher Ian Kennedy is expected to decline his qualifying offer and test free agency. He also notes that the Padres still badly need a shortstop, and could also pursue a starting pitcher and outfielder, since Kennedy and Justin Upton seem likely to depart. James Shields and Derek Norris, meanwhile, could be potential trade candidates. Moving Shields and the $65MM remaining on his salary would give the Padres more flexibility (which means Craig Kimbrel and Joaquin Benoit could also be trade candidates). If Norris departs after a solid first season in San Diego, the Padres could hand the catching position to youngster Austin Hedges, a strong defender. Here’s more from the West divisions.
- The Athletics have announced a pair of promotions within their front office. They’ve promoted director of player personnel Billy Owens to assistant GM, director of player personnel. Director of professional scouting and baseball development Dan Feinstein, meanwhile, is now assistant GM, pro scouting and player personnel.
- The Angels have named Jose Molina their catching coordinator. As MLB.com’s Alden Gonzalez tweets, that’s a new position for the organization. Gonzalez further clarifies that Molina will mostly be working with minor leaguers. On paper, this looks like a terrific hire for the Angels, since Molina had a rock-solid reputation as a pitch-framing catcher. Molina caught for the Angels for parts of seven seasons, mostly serving as his brother Bengie’s backup. The 40-year-old last appeared in the big leagues with the Rays in 2014.
Padres weren’t big players in free agent market last year. They signed Clint Barmes and James Shields.
Noted. My point was that they spent a fair amount of money, but obviously free agency wasn’t the key mechanism. Thanks.
Well they pursued Panda, Tomas, Moncada, Adam L., etc.. Obviously they didn’t get them but they sure were “big players” on the FA market. I think the signing of Shields alone made them a “big player” on the FA market… I mean just look at that contract.
Exactly. They were willing to spend whereas they weren’t willing to spend before with the previous ownership. All the experts (mainly Lin) have been wrong on their predictions on what the Padres will do. They need to stop trying to predict what the Padres will do because they are making fools of themselves when the Padres do the opposite of what they have done in the past.
As a Padres fan, I’d hate to see the team that Preller built dismantled after just one year. There was so much excitement surrounding the Padres that I have never seen or felt before. I understand Padres did under perform, but for the first time they had big name players and it was actually exciting watching them play together. I hope that if Preller does decide to trade some players he waits until July to see where the team is at that point. As a Padres fan from birth it is exciting seeing guys like Kemp, Myers, Shields, Kimbrel and Norris play together because all this fan base has had the past handful of years to be excited about was Chase Headley for those few months. That’s really it.
Adrian Gonzalez and Jake Peavy were pretty legitimate center-pieces.
Absolutely, I meant after Adrian was traded, my bad.
I remember that trade. Just think of what would have happened if the Padres didn’t give up on Rizzo and trade him to the Cubs…
If they trade Kimbrel or Price it would signal a major rebuilding mode. I don’t see the Padres starting from scratch again.
Price? Not trying to be rude. Your posts are usually well written. Just wondering what you meant there.
Sure they might have acquired big names, but anyone could see that there was going to be problems with the fact that the defense would be atrocious and the infield a mess.
Also I believe Preller gave up too much for what he got in return, which I think he realized when he tried to make moves at the deadline only to be turned down by his offers.
Some trades he gave away way too much. In others he did pretty well. Trading Hanigan for Middlebrooks for instance. Middlebrooks still has potential if he can ever get it together at the big league level. He won that trade because Hanigan was on the dl most of the year. He got hosed by Atlanta though, badly. Plus, for someone who is supposed to have an amazing eye for talent giving up Turner was a big mistake. They wouldn’t have SS problems now had they held onto him.
Yes that trade for Myers was kind of ridiculous. I mean, I get that Souza was a pretty good prospect going to the Rays, but the fact that he gave up both Ross and Turner, when they would both be a lot of help to this team right now, is kind of heartbreaking.
What would it take for the White Sox to get Norris?
Does Trayce Thompson for Norris straight up work?
It does for this Sox fan.
Norris would be an excellent fit for the White Sox. I hadn’t thought of that one. If the Sox were willing to part with Anderson+ more they could probably make a deal for Norris and a starter like Ross. I have seen rumors of the Sox potentially chasing Ian Desmond. If they sign him Anderson could be moved. They could also do a bad contract swap with them. Something like Gyorko for LaRoche. Gyorko is owed more but they might get the Sox to make the trade if they get better players.
Shields isn’t a trade candidate. No one wants to pay him $21m a year for 3 years.
Depends on what they take back. I’m sure the Rockies wouldn’t mind sending Jose Reyes over to be their SS in exchange for Shields. They make the same money.
Yeah. He’s a tradeable bad contract. I agree. Not like Ramirez and maybe Sandoval. Think the Padres can get him moved, if they wish after the second tier FA all sign and whoever missed out look to fill in mid SP slots. Maybe Cubs, Detroit, Boston could bite. Still think a Sandoval for Shields makes sense myself, just send cash to the Pads to make up the difference.
Oh my god! Don’t even try it with the “Sandoval for Shields” thing!
And the Padres would have to pay a large part of Shields’ contract or take back another bad contract to move him.
at least Shields delivered what you expect from JS. sandoval did not produce.
He produced it playing half of his games in one of the most pitcher friendly stadiums in the entire game and his numbers were worse than most anything he has had, other than 2010.
Wasn’t saying it would happen, just an option. Shields is probably one of the easiest of the “bad” contracts with him not being outright terrible last season, unlike Sandoval and Ramirez.
then why did JS have a winning record and all of the other starters in SD have losing records? he was 6-3 at home and 7-4 on the road. the ERA was more than a run more on the road but he still won and the others on the staff did not. He produced exactly the type of results SD should have expected which is all you can ask of a FA. Whether he is worth that money is a relative term. So many contracts are absurd. But it boils down to a guy who basically matched the stats he had the previous years.
Well, Sandoval has four years left of stinkitude on his deal, whereas Reyes only has two.
I don’t think he’s that untradeable. I have no idea what he was trying to do last year, his K rate was a career high, but it led to almost every other metric being the worst of his career too. His BABIP was the same as usual, it looks like poor coaching, honestly. It looks like he was told to always challenge hitters, when he isn’t really that big power guy – he’s somewhere in the middle of control/power. He had 4 excellent seasons in a row before SD so one would think it wouldn’t take too much “fixing” – its probably all mental in his case. He needs to pitch to contact more than last year. Funnily enough his xFIP was pretty much his exact same career number, 3.70 in 2015 to 3.62 for career. If a team sees 2015 as an outlier and he’s a 3.5-4.5 fWAR pitcher then he’s absolutely worth $21M a year, every team in MLB would pay that for that fWAR and FWIW steamer has him at 3.0 fWAR in 2016.
So where were all those teams lining up to pay him $21m a year through 2018 back in the offseason? Oh wait, there weren’t any. No one wants to pay Shields that much money. Get over it.
Shields or his agent made the mistake of waiting for Lester and Scherzer to set the market. He probably could have broken $100m had he signed early. He isn’t an ace and never has been but he has always been solid. Kind of like Andy Pettitte. You know when he takes the hill he will usually give his team a decent shot at winning. $21m is a bit much but not an extreme overpay. Plus, he pitched for just $10m last year. The Padres should pitch in a couple of million to get his cost under $20m.
FWIW, if he hits his Steamer projection for 2016, he’ll probably opt out of the last two years of his deal and get another $60M guarantee in the face of a weak FA class.
No way he opts out and no way he gets anything close to that much money as a 35 year-old free agent a year from now.
Padres need to keep gamers like Norris and Kimbrel. The Padres need to look into trading Cash, Benoit, and Alonso.
Any chance the Padres would be willing to part with Hedges and hold onto Norris? They were at the bottom of baseball in terms of offensive production and losing Norris wouldn’t be a step toward improving on that. I do think they’d be smart to part with one of these two 2 young catchers but seriously question whether Norris is the right choice.
Sure, but I dunno what you get for Hedges. There are certainly a lot more good fielding catchers who are poor hitters around baseball, than the opposite.
CJ Wilson, Eybar, Joe Smith and Johnny G for Shields and Kimbril. Then Weaver and Street to the Dodgers for a minor league infielder.
Why would the Padres,do,that? If,they are going to deal these guys, it will be for,young, controllable talent.
Why did they trade for 3 outfielders last year that only one of which is an average defensive player at this point? Kemp should be a dh at this point. Same with Myers. The Padres say they are looking to free up money. The players I named free up money for them. Yet gives them the chance to still be good next year. As for Street, Jansen should be a set up guy not a closer.
That is not very good for the Padres. Plus, I doubt Street would be happy moving to a setup spot.
How much longer will MLB Trade Rumors quote Dennis Lin? This guy has been unreliable with his “according to reports” or “sources say” crap. Trade deadline, MLBTR quoted him left & right. He was wrong. Hiring of Padre manager, same thing. Point blank, with AJ Preller no one knows which direction the Padres will go. Big spenders in the free agent market? Maybe, maybe not. As a long time Padre fan it’s exciting to see the current ownership has not tightened the wallet. Sure, some of the acquisitions didn’t work out but at least they loosed the purse strings and spent money and in doing so made a fool out of Lin time & time again throughout the season when they proved his “reports” wrong.
all you can ask from a FA is that he produce the numbers for you that he did the previous few years. From 2011-2014, James Shields averaged in the low teens for victories, 200+ innings, and a winning percentage over .60. For the Padres last year, JS produced 13 wins, a career high .650 winning percentage for a losing team and logged over 200 innings. Shields earned his pay and was a good signing. Yes, he’s not sexy…..he’s not going to average 10k’s or win an ERA title…(but he was under 4.00 again).
Get that winning percentage stat out of here! Most useless stat in baseball! It’s all about ERA, WHIP, FIP and xFIP.
Shields is okay, but I think there are better was to evaluate them than wins and winning percentages.
wins/winning is the bottom line in sports. Shields won almost double the amount of games he lost for a losing team this past year and he’s been a durable and reliable starter for the last nine years. i’m not suggesting he’s going to be in the hall of fame but he’s the type of pitcher a team needs to get to the playoffs. Claude Osteen was such a pitcher. As good as Koufax & Drysdale? NO. But still a very important cog in the Dodgers championship teams in the mid 60’s. The money Shields is paid is simply a result of the wacky baseball salary structure. The Cubs paid a LOT more for Lester and Jon had a losing record for a team that finished 30+ games over .500. Might I suggest that Shields was a bargain in comparison and the Padres got more bang for their buck than the Cubs did.
Yes it is, but there’s too much that goes into a team winning a game. It is possible for a pitcher to pitch well and get the loss just as it is possible for a pitcher to pitch poorly and get the win. Shields’ high amount of wins was due to an abnormally high amount of run support for the first 2 months of the season. It regressed to the mean afterwards. By your logic, Shelby Miller is bad because he led the league in losses despite having an ERA just a tick above 3.
Win-loss records don’t tell the whole story for pitchers.
IMO…..W-L is a LOT more important than ERA. First…Shields pitched for the same team the other starters in SD did and all had losing records. They all had the basic offense behind them. A pitcher will have to bear down in a low scoring game sometimes. If they get a big lead, those pitchers might tend to want to just throw strikes and as a result, not make the “fine” pitches they might if it’s a one run game and get burnt by a HR and win a game 7-4. As for Shelby, I would have rather had Shields than Miller when it comes to the type of season they had. Shields did the job when he had to and Miller did not. Obviously, JS made a lot more money than Miller so I guess if I know my team is going to be bad, I’d rather have the lower contract. But SD thought they could contend and the fact they had a losing record was NOT the fault of JS.