DEC. 6: There’s still mutual interest between the two sides, so they’ll meet again today to try to get on the same page, tweets Olney.
DEC. 5, 2:55pm: Olney tweets the Orioles were comfortable in the four-year, $52-55MM range but backed off when Trumbo’s camp countered between $75-80MM. ESPN’s Jayson Stark hears a bit differently tweeting that the Orioles were only willing to offer three years and an option, however.
2:06pm: ESPN’s Buster Olney reports (on Twitter) that the Orioles don’t get the sense that they’re close in talks with Trumbo, and they could move on to other targets at this point.
12:54pm: The Orioles have extended a four-year offer to free-agent slugger Mark Trumbo, according to Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com (Twitter links). While the value of Baltimore’s offer isn’t known, the first baseman/outfielder is said to be seeking $80MM.
That price sounds like a non-starter for most organizations, and that likely includes the O’s. Per Kubatko, Trumbo’s side has already signaled a willingness to move down to the $70MM to $75MM range while also taking a backloaded salary structure. But that’s still arguably too much for the thirty-year-old slugger, who’s also said to be seeking a no-trade clause.
Kubatko notes that the O’s aren’t going to bite on the no-trade request, though it seems it’s still possible that the sides will work something out. It remains to be seen whether Baltimore will move up to Trumbo’s apparent asking price, or whether interest from other quarters will emerge at or near that level.
While Trumbo did lead all of baseball with 47 home runs in 2016, power is in abundant supply on this year’s free-agent market — particularly with Chris Carter now available. Carter, of course, was cut loose despite being arbitration-eligible at a projected $8.1MM arbitration salary. His .222/.321/.499 batting line wasn’t all that much less productive than Trumbo’s .256/.316/.533 slash, particularly once park effects are accounted for, and the two have rather similar lifetime numbers as well. It does seem that the O’s are at least somewhat comfortable playing Trumbo in the outfield, but it’s eminently arguable that neither player should be allowed to roam past the infield dirt.
thor would look better in red
Learn from others mistake, take the money Trumbo
Amen—(example Kyle Loshse)
thor would look better in red
for 4 at 60 not 70
Would much rather sign Turner. Can’t see Trumbo as a fit
thor would look better in red
I would rather have both and move Wong as a part to get an outfielder or pitcher
Looking for $80 million? Good luck Trumbo.
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO! Carter is way cheaper imaoo.
And way worse
Not “way,” no. He’s definitely worse, but you may be surprised if you actually looked at some numbers. Mostly the difference is Trumbo’s a halfway decent first baseman (which is ironically not relevant to the Orioles).
If you watched Carter at all in 2016, you’d appreciate him more. He was a very productive power bat for Brewers. He was fairly consistent with his power too and took a good share of walks (76), He also had career highs in doubles. Brewers would have kept him for $8-10 million if they didn’t sign Thames who gives them a much needed LH bat.
I also think Carter’s defense was passable.
Except the higher obp, higher slugging %, and 40 million price tag less, he is definitely worse. Trumbo can play some first but not with the Os so now he’s stuck as the DH. As an Os fan I’d rather sign Carter and then use money for a Machado and Tillman extension. Plus at 65-75 million I’d rather negate the pick and sign Joey Bats
Trumbo got a big helping of what his worth is. Since no other team is offering him any wqhere close to $80 million its time to go back and rework the O’s offer. 4/60 sounds where it will end up.
Is there going to be more than 1 first bases? Cause if there is 2 then is kind of makes sense.
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LMAOOOOOOOO his best year was when he was 2.4 WAR player in 2012, and was 2.2 last year!!! WTFFF
Some of that though was due to his poor defense in right. As a DH I think he would have been closer to 4 which is worth close to 20 million a year nowadays.
Crazy that Trumbo wants $80 million. And he isn’t even a Boras client. I can see the Orioles offering him $10-$12 million a year for four, but not much beyond that.
He is not even that good and he is almost 40
Ummmm. He’s 30
Hey, that’s closer to 40 than 0
Yeah he’s 75% of the way there
Also hit 47 homers, not that good but good enough to lead league. I would give him 5 for 70-75 without no trade clause.
Going to be the worst contract of this offseason
Won’t be as bad as Chris davis
Teams need to pay
why? so they can price more fans out of going to games?
Trumbo will be 31, he’s made about $13M in his career, and this is likely his last big contract. I don’t blame him for asking for the moon, but it’s a risky play. $70M, $72M, $80M, all valuing him far above his history. I realize WAR isn’t everything, but we are talking about someone with a negative WAA over his career. Mark, maybe you take the money….
Trumbo has made a shade over $23M in his career. He can ask for whatever he wants but if he prices himself out of the market, he might end up with a 1yr/$10M deal. He needs to capitalize on this past season so if he can get 3yr/$45M he should jump all over it. There is no way he is getting $20M AAV for four plus years.
I agree with u on this. No way he gets over 60 with a pick attached. IMO he is better staying with a team that is competitive and will still give him 45-50
Agreed, Trumbo is worth 70 million and if your the O’s in the high 50s and he want 80 don’t you keep trying to sign him. He did hit 47 homers to lead the league for you and you got to the playoffs.
He’s not worth 70. He only hit 47 because he was in Baltimore. Its like Arrietta moving to the Cubs…he just didn’t play in Baltimore — be it the need to get a reality check or whatever. My worry is Trumbo played to get the long-term check, and when he signs he reverts.
Who else on Baltimore hit 47? How many in last 20 years?
Anaheim should have never traded him. Trout might have stayed after his contract was up.
I had no idea the Angels let Mike Trout leave their team… How’d I miss that news on the rumor mill?!
It’s obviously a typo
Not a typo. Anaheim traded Trumbo for scraps. Trout and Trumbo were the “new M and M boys.
Trout? U mean because the Angels are now mediocre Trout will leave?
I think he is bringing up that popular assumption that Mike Trout’s departure is inevitable once his current contract ends. He’s just using language like it already happened. As a Halos fan, I’ve grown tired of hearing people bring that up. Angels fans have been saying that since day 1 of Trout’s extension out of fear that he will eventually leave the franchise, rather than just waiting at least 4 years into the contract and enjoying the opportunity to get to watch the most talented ball player to ever don the halo.
This is nothing new, you gotta over pay in the free agent market if you want somebody. Is he a decent ball player, yes. Is he worth that much, not a chance. But he will get that or at least pretty close to that. I like to see the Os get him as a full time DH and then get somebody for the outfield with some kind of speed and can hit at least decent for average
Take the money and run Trumbo!! 3 years 45m is all you get from me. Otherwise I look at EE. You are s pure DH and if you can produce at or near 2016 numbers, that’s what ur worth. Not that much better than Morales at 33M for 3. But you do have age on your side.
I’d rather have Morales than Trumbo so what they are offering is an overpay and what he’s asking is obnoxious…in my opinion anyway.
Good luck Chappy!! 6 years? No way!! If I signed him I would be tempted to convert him back to a starter. Melancon has set the bar. Is Chapman worth more? Sure but how much more than 15M AAV? If I give him $100/5years, I try him as a starter, in which case he’s a bargain. I’m paying you, you do what I say. Your a starter. If that doesn’t pan out, we know you can close.
That should be on the Chapman article. Not sure what happened? Sorry.
Pay the man! Much better avg. Than Carter.
…well yeah, that’s sure worth an extra 40mm or so!
Barely. Not better obp or slugging though which are more important
No just No. Much rather bring Alvarez back for a fraction of that.
Yeah, you’re right. El toro could still mash sometimes, and he would cost so much less.
Alvarez was pretty good last year, and they could get him for a lot less. I agree with you.
I think he could got 40 HR easy. Once he got comfortable the AL he was a different player.
Glad it looks like the O’s are moving on. I really hope they are. $80 million is way too much for Trumbo and 4 years is way too long. I’d be ok with like 1-2 years at $12-15 per (which won’t happen). I’d rather they use that on someone else. Or better yet, use it toward Machado.
I agree, They should just put it toward Machado.
How many times should they have moved on from Davis last year. Then they paid him, competing against themselves. The smart move is to move on, but I’m hesitant to call the Orioles smart. Its also hard to call Trumbo smart because if the draft pick is affecting anyone’s market, it’s his. The birds are the only team that doesn’t lose a draft pick to sign him. If they walk away, he’s in trouble, IMO.
It looks as if teams are realizing that dh type sluggers aren’t worth so much. With this and ee’s market shrinking, they will probably get less money.
There is a big pile of Trumbo types available to the point some will likely be taking 1 year lowball deals on bad teams just to have a 2017 job – so what the heck is he thinking here?
He’s lucky the O’s are even willing to go 4 years, and if it’s in the 50-55 mil range, he’s an idiot not to take it! He sure ain’t going to be getting any better moving forward, and if he gets stuck as one of those 1yr deal guys…
Let Trumbo find the door. There’s no way he’s gonna have another season like last season, and without his bat next year, he’s just about as good as a can of beans sitting in the outfield. Trumbo, go ahead and sign with the Rockies if you want. You might hit some homers, but your team’s not gonna help you into the playoff push. Thanks for one good season, Trumbo. ⚾️
i hope to see a headline that says cardinals move on from fowler
he has 1 great year and plays more games and he wants 20 million , take 13 and be happy
He asked for 5 yr / 16 per they offered 3 yr / 14 per. Sounds like a good bet to meet in the middle which is where most pundits thought he’d wind up at – 4 yrs / 15 per.
Move on, Baltimore. Take the draft pick and let the market play out, go after Edwin Encarnacion instead.
Orioles should take the draft pick, let him walk unless he brings his asking price down below 60M. Look into singing pagan or Gomez to improve outfield defense.
Makes sense, Trumbo is a good fit for the O’s, hows 4/66 sound?