12:20pm: Norris has issued a statement, via his agent, to Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times:
“First, I want to be absolutely clear that abuse of any form, is completely unacceptable. Allegations regarding this issue are a very serious matter and should not be taken lightly under any circumstances. That being said, in this circumstance, the comments made by my ex-fiancee could not be further from the truth. I have NEVER been physically or emotionally abusive towards her, or anyone else in my life. I plan to go above and beyond to assist MLB with their investigation into this matter.”
The Rays have also commented on the matter, though their statement was considerably more brief: “The Rays wholly support MLB’s Domestic Violence policy. We take these allegations very seriously and will fully cooperate with the Commissioner’s Office on this matter.”
8:00am: Major League Baseball is investigating allegations of “physical and emotional abuse” that have been brought forth against Rays catcher Derek Norris, MLB spokesperson Pat Courtney confirmed to ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick. Norris’ ex-fiancee, Kristin Eck, made the claims against him in a recent post on Instagram. It’s not clear at this time if there is any ongoing criminal investigation, though Crasnick’s report makes no such mention.
Eck’s comments do not specifically mention Norris by name, but she’d previously appeared on MLB Network in a video interview promoting some charity work, in which she was identified as Norris’ fiancee. Her comments also imply that Norris is the man in question: “…I also was physically and emotionally abused by this beautiful man. He gave me a lifestyle most people only dreamed of, but it came at a price. … When I left I had $300 to my name, I had no access to money, I had no access to cars and was only given the courtesy to remove my items from our home.”
Commissioner Rob Manfred and his staff will look into the matter under Major League Baseball’s relatively new domestic abuse policy, which has already led to suspensions of varying length for Aroldis Chapman, Jose Reyes, Hector Olivera and Jeurys Familia. Each of those cases was dealing with allegations of singular incidents, and MLB’s investigation into each of those incidents was also performed simultaneously with criminal investigations. The allegations against Norris, at present, are more generalized in nature, which will likely require a different type of investigation from the Commissioner’s Office.
That is not to say, of course, that the claims levied against Norris should be considered lesser; certainly, it’s a serious matter that could well result in a punishment for the six-year big league veteran. However, Norris’ case does come under different circumstances than the previous cases that yielded suspensions, so it remains to be seen precisely how the league will handle this scenario. Olivera is the only one of those previously punished under the policy whose investigation occurred during the season, and he was initially placed on paid administrative leave during that investigation. It’s not yet clear if Norris will also be placed on leave.
Post her whole instagram post. She left with 1 year ago with “no access to his money, no cars, only her items from the house”… he and his family gave her nothing… when a man of his physical stature beats on someone there will be proof. She also talks about his beautiful soul and stuff… If he hit her the give him the Olivera treatment, but that post is hardly a legitimate indictment on him, but it is definitely an allegation that will ruin his reputation beyond repair. How’s ol hector doing for dem skeeters?
Hector’s doing alright. Highest-paid minor league player. What a country.
Rusney prob makes more
You speak as if there’s a right and wrong way to deal with one’s abuse, why? Everyone deals with things in their own way, and for you to try and judge someone on that, shame on you.
Not saying you are wrong, but I have always had difficulty understanding why anyone would share intimate details of their personal lives on social media.
Yeah, I can’t justify that – especially when the subject matter might have legal precedent. I agree, it’s an odd way to deal with things, but still, you can’t make rules on how people deal with abuse/abusers.
Sadly it is becoming less odd and more normal to confess personal details, and also to call out or shame others, on social media. This situation might be a combination of a couple of the most unappealing uses of social media.
When Norris was in his first year with San Diego, I remember the accuser going on a weird Twitter rant because an airline wouldn’t allow her to have her “therapy pet” with her on a flight. I think she failed to give the airline adequate notice, then proceeded to lash out.
She wanted the airline to look bad. Now it feels like she’s using the same process to make an ex look bad. Maybe he deserves to look bad. He certainly does if the accusations are true. But, both cases seem like a weird way to handle things.
Unfortunately, this is today’s world. You obviously give some credence to her story without any proof or any information from Norris.
Now that Norris has refuted her claim I’m sure you have changed your mind?
Right. I’m sure you haven’t. Dealing with abuse over social media is like trying to resolve an emotional situation with your child through email.
I hope baseball does an investigation and let the results of that be the final word.
You’ve completely misunderstood me, Dave. I suspect she manipulates situations through social media tantrums — to get attention or what she wants. I think the therapy dog meltdown and the latest allegations are part of a pattern. Some of what I said earlier simply concedes that I don’t know the people, so I want to be skeptical, but not completely dismissive.
The BoSox have 2 minor leaguers making more than Olivera, Rusney Castillo and Allen Craig. Castillo 10.5 mil and 3 more years left on his deal and 11 mil for Craig with a million dollar buy out option next year.
Sounds fishy.
No it doesn’t.
Look people the self righteous has chimed in!
Taking to Instagram to make such a statement doesn’t sound fishy to you?? Ok there Chief
Fishy, not really. Weird, yes. But that’s how I react whenever I see someone confess intimate details of their personal lives on social media where it can be read by hundreds if not thousands of their closest friends. I sure don’t get why anyone would do that, but I see it nearly every day, so I have to write it off as a new cultural habit that I will never fully comprehend.
No it doesn’t. Sometimes the only way things are taken seriously is if the media gets hold of a story. How many times has someone not been taken seriously and THEN a video comes out. Look at that NFL player that punched his GF in the elevator.
I don’t use social media but I can understand why people use it because how I would react in a situation isn’t how someone else would react.
In reality, the only way something is taken seriously is to report crime to the police. Not Instagram a year later. So many goofy snowflakes in Murica now.
Quoting from the article linked below:
“Rice was handed a two-game suspension by the NFL that many considered absurdly mild. However, new video of the punch surfaced by TMZ after the NFL beefed up its domestic violence policy led to the Ravens releasing Rice and the NFL suspending him indefinitely.”
Now admittedly we are not talking about the police but this incident was NOT taken very seriously UNTIL a video surfaced.
sbnation.com/nfl/2014/5/23/5744964/ray-rice-arrest…
Other than the first sentence it sounds like he broke up with her. Hmmm.
*this
So? He could have been beating her up the entire time.
And he could also not have been… why are you completely ignoring 50% of the possible scenarios on the basis of a social media post?
because as baker said he is a troll
Go away troll. You’re an embarrassment to his site
Yeah, because I stand up for minorities and women. Sorry if that offends you and BTW its not trolling because I actually do believe in everything I post and am trying to educate those who don’t know that the way they think about things is antiquated, dated and just plain wrong.
Not going away anytime soon.
So full of it. You are the epitome of a troll. You do not look at anything objectively. Maybe we can get the site to make you go away. How about that?
Dude, you’re a joke. Hardly anyone has a stance on abusing women other than “it is completely wrong and anyone who does it should be in jail for a very long time.” You’re not “standing up” for women by automatically assuming guilt on Norris just because his ex fiancee aired some filthy laundry on Instagram in an extremely suspicious way.
If he, or anyone else, hits their woman, throw the book at them. Put them in jail. Ban them from baseball forever. But people with your attitude cause completely innocent people to be branded for life just because of an accusation. Not saying Norris is innocent or guilty here, but that’s a fact.
FYI- the social justice warrior mantra is antiquated, dated, and just plain wrong. Long as you keep posting people are going to keep telling you how wrong you are.
Nobody said she deserved to be abused. Nobody said Derek Norris is completely innocent. You’re dealing in absolutes. What people are saying is this seems weird and fishy. Given the amount of fake rape/abuse allegations against athletes past couple years, people have a right to be skeptical anytime claims are made without police being involved. Had she called police and they were talking to Derek Norris people like you would assume he was guilty. Two way street.
^this
Show me where I said Norris is guilty. I’ll wait.
Starting a post off by calling me a joke huh? Yeah I don’t care about anything you might have to say on any matter now.
“Given the amount of fake rape/abuse allegations against athletes past couple years, people have a right to be skeptical anytime claims are made without police being involved.”
Name all those faked allegations – you make it sound like its a common thing, shouldnt take long, I’m waiting…
Why do you point out the fact that the alleged victim is a woman? If the genders of the accused and victim were reversed, would you be defending the male?
Hey hey hey, no need to get all “whatabouty” here.
Well you did say:
“You speak as if there’s a right and wrong way to deal with one’s abuse, why? Everyone deals with things in their own way, and for you to try and judge someone on that, shame on you”
For her to deal with her abuse there had to be abuse in the first place. You haven’t outright said derek norris is guilty, but your passive aggressive comments point towards you believing he did abuse her in some way shape or form.
Also, reread what I said.
“HAD she called police and they were talking to Derek Norris people like you WOULD ASSUME he was guilty.”
It’s ok, I finished the same way I started off, with facts. We know you don’t care about that kind of thing.
I am a real-life victim of a single lie perpetrated upon me by an unstable woman. I served a few days in jail to begin with, and then was left with little choice but to plead guilty. Everyone that knows me knows what really happened. She hit me in the face with a bat while I was sleeping because in her delusions she thought I was having an affair. I merely restrained her, and she took pictures of herself covered in blood. My blood. She called the police, and even though I told the complete story truthfully, I was arrested. My point is, regardless of what becomes public, there are very unstable men and women out there capable of anything. The part that caught my eye in this story was the fact that she said “this beautiful man”. An abused person will not typically say things like about a perpetrator unless they themselves are a bit unstable. I’m not judging either way here, but a have a feeling about this. A woman scorned. Signs of instability. No police involved. Just a simple media post that on the surface appears to be nothing more than intent to inflict damage. My ex was diagnosed with bi-polar disorder and is currently serving time for deadly assault. We were an upper middle class family. I have custody of our four children. I’ve attempted to get my record expunged with no luck to this point. In closing, please do not judge people in any way. Your opinion is yours, but it is impossible for anyone but God to know what really happened.
Well, you asked for it Just Another Fan-
Brian Banks-http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/brian-banks-woman-whose-fake-rape-claim-put-nfl-player-in-prison-forced-to-pay-061513
Marshawn Lynch- profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/03/woman-who…
Ezekiel Elliot- dal.247sports.com/Bolt/Should-Ezekiel-Elliott-accu…
Dante Cunningham (NBA- Timberwolves) nationalreview.com/article/391278/how-false-domest…
Former Laker Devin Ebanks (NBA) bleacherreport.com/articles/972717-devin-ebanks-fa…
Garrett Wittels (former ncaa baseball player who broke the hitting streak) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_Wittels
Do you need more?
How can I rational person down-vote this (stratcrowder’s post)?
“You haven’t outright said derek norris is guilty,”
Cool, thank you for clearing this up. Please let all these trolls who are resorting to petty, childish name-calling know this. Thanks.
“your passive aggressive comments point towards you believing he did abuse her in some way shape or form.”
Well, if you stop the passive aggressive accusations against Norris they will most likely stop.
Here are your comments- take time to reread them. Probably should step away from your computer or phone and go do something for a while.
“You speak as if there’s a right and wrong way to deal with one’s abuse, why? Everyone deals with things in their own way, and for you to try and judge someone on that, shame on you.”
“Never ever ever side against the victim or victim shame, especially when the alleged perpetrator is a man-child who was drafted out of high school, given millions of dollars when he signed at 17 and has never been checked at any point in his life ever since.”
“Nope, because there’s no “rules” for how victims are “supposed to” act when confronting and dealing with abuse.”
You’re literally assuming the abuse happened. Take a step back. Go for a walk. Go get a donut. Whatever. You’re getting too emotionally invested in this for your own good. Nobodies opinions changed cause the internet convinced them.
Real..this is the same guy that cries racism and misogyny on everyone. Evidently he’s got some serious personal issues to work through. Troll is just to good a word for this whatever!
@Just Another Fan
You’ve been here a long time man. We all know you’re not a troll here. I may slightly disagree with you on your comments from time to time, but just ignore bs comments like this one that don’t add anything to the actual conversation.
^^^^ this to the max.
What?
Wow we get it fan chick- stop projecting on situations like this. I’m not sure what occurrences happened in your life to you and/or your family/friends that you are fixating on, No one here supports violence. Except against bryce harper,.. that clown needs chin music until he is sung a lullaby straight to…. whoooaaa sorry got a little off topic. You wanna stand up for your cause and support minorities awesome. But when you support something so adamantly it is hard to be the least bit objective. AND yes grandiose/persecutorial delusions are not un-common for the mentally ill. differentiate those from a lie…. starting to see the grey world we live in yet. No one is wanting to label a villain, but listing the facts as we have them currently its hard not to. There is nothing more than a vague allegation made by an obviously bitter woman in a pity party. Losing your fiance is tough, losing 10’s of millions is tough, losing the wives club charity life style/friends is tough…. this lady went through alot and if she had to demonize him to survive i don’t blame her. She gets to talk bad about her ex after that. What she can’t do is defame him in the public arena and trigger an investigation by his employer. There is no way the players association can file grievance bc people like you will roast them. This is bad for america- losing your reputation/millions of dollars in endorsements/ enduring public humiliation all over an vague social media post! Now if she provides incident reports, pictures, er visits, or even corroborating evidence from mutual friends everyone on here will burn there Norris jerseys and join you in bashing the POS. It is entirely possible that he is a monster w/ explosive violent tendencies and no respect for women. The truth will come out, but you were never after it anyway were you?
I think Alfredo Simon also had a case of you want to throw it in the hat
Can we throw Patrick Kane in there?
Just gunna throw this out there. Last season when Jeremy Jeffres went to rehab you went on a rant about the guy and threatened to throw batteries at him during the next Rangers you would attend. So stop acting like your Johnny Do-good here because you’ve said some pretty questionable things yourself
Hopefully the truth can be found.
Exactly, and an investigation should discover if there’s any proof of this.
Abuse shouldn’t be taken lightly, but it is impossible to assume what did or did not happen, that is not our job to do, there are professionals who handle that.
Treat it as just an accusation for now until more is known, do not get ahead of yourselves.
No way anything scandalous in a domestic male/female encounter happened with a
Tampa Rays player.
Any other organization in MLB I would say “let’s wait and see what the facts are”, but with the Tampa Rays we don’t need to because their owner Stuart Sternberg has created a culture with the Rays that makes such an accusation simply impossible to believe.
Absolutely agree. Manfred needs to take them to task. Josh Leuke should have never ever gotten another MLB contract, its a privilege to play MLB, not a right. We blacklisted Barry f’n Bonds but a convicted heinous rapist gets the go-ahead? I hope Manfred understands just how awful that truly is.
The first sentence is the only thing that has a reference to drug abuse. He just broke up with her. She just put the word “drug” in the story and the internet blows up.
Internet 2017
That’s what I thought also.
There’s no mention of drug abuse anywhere. This isn’t an investigation into substance abuse.
What made me blink in the first sentence is it can be read as saying that Norris was the victim of abuse.
I had no access to cars and was only given the courtesy to remove my items from our home.”
‘Our Home?’Yet, you say He gave me a lifestyle most people only dreamed
I am thinking he was paying for it and now you are mad because you lived together and now it’s over.
See, this is why people should never live together!!!!!!
Then to blurt this out on Instagram.
I not defending Norris, but this is ridiculous!!!!
It’s not ridiculous if he was beating her up the entire time, then dumped her.
Are you an attorney?? I mean, you seem to have all the “facts”. If not, then please just shut up
He’s being investigated for abuse…
jbaker3170 you are targeting me for harassment all up and down this thread, why? Is Derek Norris your fave player and in your mind an angel who would never set a foot wrong? Because that’s not how an adult thinks.
He’s being investigated by the MLB after she claimed abuse happened……whats the MLB suppose to do? Not look into it? That would be a PR nightmare. Look what happened to the NFL after Ray Rice.
Ray Rice gets 0 punishment from the court system- no jail time and no record if he completes anger management- 2 game suspension. Video comes out and somehow its the NFLs fault instead of the court system. No league wants a PR nightmare.
Do not make assumptions “Just Another Fan” stay in your lane and let the professionals handle it.
Your stance, as well as the others’ on this thread, regarding domestic abuse is already clear.
Please refrain from extrapolating, it is inappropriate for anyone outside of this investigation to do so.
Read her full post. She seems anything but mad and seems to be happy and at peace with herself. In fact, she still thanked Norris for helping her grow as a person because of her experience.
Yes, people who have been abused act in different ways towards their abusers, this is nothing new.
Never ever ever side against the victim or victim shame, especially when the alleged perpetrator is a man-child who was drafted out of high school, given millions of dollars when he signed at 17 and has never been checked at any point in his life ever since.
If MLB is serious about ending domestic violence, then they need to be better at on-boarding HS drafted players into manhood, which they never ever do, even when it ends up with a HOF talent like Josh Hamilton becoming a junkie, or literally all players who got DUI’s instead of having a driver, which is what all millionaires have in any other world.
Also the Rays FO needs to be taken to task in their repeated signings and acquisitions of certified criminals (Josh Leuke should have never been allowed in MLB again, and Bush shouldn’t either).
Don’t you find her statement very strange when she talks about money and cars? If your abused wouldn’t you be talking about emotions and trust. Money and cars and rich lifestyle would be the last thing on your mind running from abuse. We need to find out much more than assuming what happened.
No, because most victims of abuse don’t leave because they are financially dependent on their abusers and then people always question “why didn’t she just leave if he was beating her up?” and place blame on the victim. She’s putting it out there upfront that the reason she didn’t leave immediately was because she was financially dependent on him.
There are 2 many questions to have any answer on the situation. Her quote sounds more like a bad break up. Why did she wait a year? Does he have a new girlfriend? Why did they break up? Who did drugs just him or both of them or her? Who abused who? Did he abuse her or she abused him or did they abuse each other? Some people want to burn him at the stake before looking into it. If you ever had a crazy ex-girlfriend or ex-wife you know sometimes people lie. So just take your time and wait for the facts to come out.
“Crazy ex” syndrome is a symptom of white male patriarchy designed to hold women under men. It isn’t real, unless they’ve been institutionalized repeatedly, and those types don’t usually make instagram posts about their sig other.
Where is there any reference to drug use?
As for why she waited a year, abuse victims are often reluctant to come forward due to the fact that they’re so often unfairly blamed or, in the case of celebrities/athletes, accused of exploitation.
Certainly, I’m not immediately assuming that Norris is guilty. I’m not operating under any assumptions due to the fact that this is an ongoing investigation on the league’s behalf.
But, generally speaking, the question of “Why didn’t they just say something right away?” demonstrates a lack of understanding of abuse. There are many, many reasons that someone would remain silent for awhile, and Eck herself suggests that she needed time to recover from the mental trauma before coming forward.
The legitimacy of her claims, or lack thereof, is for Rob Manfred and his staff to determine — not us. Perhaps she her claims are false, but the lack of immediacy on her end wouldn’t be proof in either direction.
Exactly right and well put, Steve.
the drug was called, the love drug
“The legitimacy of her claims, or lack thereof, is for Rob Manfred and his staff to determine — not us.”
But we’ll post about it before he does that and allow an entire comment section doing just that…gotta haz dem clicks!
The goal of this site is to report baseball news. What else is this story other than baseball news?
The outcome of this story does have baseball implications, and I for one am very appreciative of the way MLBTR reported this story. They could have been biased one way or another, but MLBTR only reported the facts. It’s rare to get news like that these days.
You’re kidding here right?
This is a website that mainly reports MLB transactions and rumors. The fact that the commissioner’s office is investigating a player for domestic violence is clearly newsworthy because it has potential roster implications for the Rays.
You are very closed minded JAF. My ex-wife was crazy and always blamed everyone else. If a person has a drug problem they make accusations all the time. We need to treat each case as a individual case not all cases are the same. That is exactly what you are doing becoming a judge without facts.
Nope, because there’s no “rules” for how victims are “supposed to” act when confronting and dealing with abuse.
It’s always those who have never been abused who are the first to question the victim. Sucks you literally have to go through it just to understand it, but that’s how it is. Abuse is extremely complicated and takes so many forms your head would spin if I listed them.
@JAF I agree, we should all definitely jump to conclusions before any evidence is presented.
No one should be saying anything about the matter because no one knows anything about the matter then.
Why go to instagram instead of the police tho?
Instagram doesn’t ask for evidence.
best comment so far…
No one knows her intent in posting this besides her. We can only guess. To me it seems to be a celebratory post. She’s basically saying yeah Norris showed me an amazing lifestyle, but it was an abusive relationship an I had the courage to leave. She’s saying I’m strong and successful despite that break up and part of my life. It’s kind of a “Go Me!” type post.
She has less than a thousand followers, its not like she went to TMZ or called ESPN with the allegations. I don’t know what her intent was in posting this, but she might not have anticipated this starting an MLB investigation.
That being said, everything you post on instagram or facebook is public and her ex is famous so it is foreseeable this would become a story.
We have so few details its almost impossible to know what her motives are or really anything about what happened yet.
Never side against the victim… the constitution does! Innocent until proven guilty. Financially dependent? If you love someone you don’t condone, enable, or support bad behavior- violence, drug use, affairs, or whatever! Especially not for financial reasons. And that man beats your but you don’t call him a beautiful soul. This sounds like a persecutorial grandiose delusional rant done a year later for attention. If not give specific details w/ corroborating evidence and I’ll be the first one to trash Norris for the woman beating piece of crap he may be.
Great post
Troll!
no, that would be me. it wasn’t
I disagree with you mentioning Matt Bush here he served his time, and that is what’s great about baseball, people have the ability to have a second chance in life
I can see your point, but I believe playing a sport that children also play, but you also get to be a celeb and make millions, thats a privilege, not a right. I’m all for banning forever anyone who breaks the law. These are supposed to be heroes to the youth.
Yeah you definitely have a point, but it could also be a valuable lesson to the kids, if you make mistakes in life, you can always turn it around, depends how you look at it I guess
Not to make light of this allegation, but did anyone else read the Headline and think it was about Norris charging the Nats with abuse…….
Yes, it read to me (at first) that Norris was the victim.
It is inappropriate to use social media to relay abuse allegations. Nor should it be covered up. It needs to be investigated by professionals. It could be a shake down for money on her part or he could be a monster or it could be somewhere in between or neither. Let’s let the professionals sort it out.
That’s why MLB and the MLBPA adopted a domestic violence policy. It’s a process, that so far hasn’t penalized anyone who didn’t warrant it, or let anyone off who did. As for using social media to relay allegations, I agree, this seems inappropriate, and will be doubly-so in this case if it turns out Norris didn’t violate the policy.
So, either Derek Norris is an abuser or this woman is a bitter, failed gold digger.
Unless she has something better than “after we broke up he wouldn’t give me money, let me live in his house or drive his cars” I know which way I’d be leaning…
And if turns out to be a total lie, Norris will still carry this label for life and nothing will happen to her.
These matters should be investigated anonymously until real evidence emerges.
“And if turns out to be a total lie, Norris will still carry this label for life and nothing will happen to her.”
NOPE, look up with Josh Lueke actually did to that poor girl, and the Rays still signed him. No one ever talks about how Miggy got pulled over and fell out of the car with a tequila bottle IN HAND, cursing out the cops. If this -is- someone trying to extort money, then I’ll happily retract it and never think about Norris as a loser ever again. You have my promise.
What is Ben Roethlisberger’s nickname to this day?
Hint- I don’t mean Big Ben. The other one.
The reality is most people don’t allow new facts to change narratives they come to like or want.
MLB should have said nothing publicly and investigated the matter privately until finding something worth tarnishing Norris’ name.
Till there is more proof then just someone saying that they were abused I’m going with bitter because they don’t have access to the lifestyle any more. In the time of the social justice warrior it is guilty even when proven innocent when someone throws out claims of this nature even years after they happened.
There is no siding against the victim until it is proven that she was a victim.
“I also was physically and emotionally abused by this beautiful man. He gave me a lifestyle most people only dreamed of, but it came at a price. … When I left I had $300 to my name, I had no access to money, I had no access to cars and was only given the courtesy to remove my items from our home.”
Unless proven otherwise this sounds like a scornful gold digger who was probably asked to sign a prenuptial or something before marriage and refused to do so. Her literally saying no access to money, no access to car, and had to pick up her things as well as commenting on the lifestyle strongly hints towards this for me.
“…I had no access to cars…”
Cars. Plural. I find that a bit Freudian.
Huh, very interesting pick up there. Nicely done. Didn’t cross my mind that “cars” might be a reference to luxury instead of transportation.
What part makes her a gold digger? If you read her full post, it sounds like a girl who is celebrating graduating college, despite ups and downs in her life so far. Nowhere is she asking for money or pity. She only repeatedly says how she is happy where her life is now and is thankful for all the experiences (even the negative) she has gone through to get her there. She says she doesn’t hold any ill will to the man she mentions (not by name, and it was only determined to be Derek Norris through tertiary sources).
What part? Commenting on the lack of money she had $300- lack of access to money and lack of access to cars and referred to it as “our” home which I am betting Norris paid for if she didn’t have money. Gold diggers usually care more about money and objects. I personally don’t see the need to mention those things if you’re celebrating what youve accomplished. Plenty of ways to say you overcame a bad situation without being as specific as she was. Mentioning them sounds scornful and materialistic.
She could have said- I left with $300, my personal belongings, no job/ no income, no reliable transportation. Instead she chose to go with left with $300, no access to money, no access to cars, and he let me get my things from our home. To me that screams scornful and gold digger cause it puts that on him as if he is to blame for that. He could be but he could also not be. Word choice says a lot. Her word choice puts it on him vs her.
I truly hope you don’t actually teach children with this sort of nonsense. You are a danger to kids.
I’m a danger cause I believe word choice is important when trying to interpret peoples motives? I actually do teach children. I teach high school. I also teach math. Despite what you think I am allowed to have opinions- just because you don’t like them or agree with them doesn’t really matter. I don’t discuss these opinions with students cause it is irresponsible and has no place in my classroom cause they are suppose to be learning math. I dont bring up Derek Norris’s ex wife controversy and have a class discussion telling kids theyre stupid if they dont agree with me. I truly hope you do not have children. If you do I truly feel sorry for your children. Parents like you are why children are growing up without respect and are unable to cope with the real world and need safe spaces so they aren’t offends. Lord have mercy on your children.
LOL yeah no response, just a down vote. Guess I will go reconsider my life choices and career all because of a single down vote on mlbtraderumors- said no one ever. I teach kids math. I am tenured. I am allowed to have opinions outside of the school and allowed to voice those opinions long as they fall within the mlbtraderumors guidelines for discussions. Deal with it and gtfo it.
What if one of your students came to you, as a trusted adult, and told you she had been beaten or molested? Could she trust you to not question her motives? Would you?
Or would you immediately accuse her of being a “gold digger,” a phrase you are throwing around indiscriminately in this instance?
I do have a child. I’m teaching him to grow up to be respectful to women, that all of us have a stake in this world, and that there is inherent bias in the world against women, minorities, the disabled, etc. I think that’s our duty as parents – to raise kids the right way. And it is also your duty as a teacher – as a molder of young minds – to do the same.
I’ve worked in schools also, doing AIDS education. I’ve had students approach me with very scary situations they’ve found themselves in. I certainly didn’t just dismiss them because I didn’t want to “offer my opinion.” The real test of strength is courage.
My lord, talk about safe spaces and snowflakes. You posted an entire paragraph because somebody “downvoted” you? Sensitive much?
(By the way, it wasn’t me; I don’t down or upvote anything)
1. I teach 14 15 16 year olds. If a student came to me and said she was sexually molested abused she has 0 financial gain to do so. Not sure you fully understand how old kids are in high school nor fully understand inner workings of teen relationships. Teens dont usually enter relationships where money is a nig thing.
2. Doesnt really matter what I think her motives are. As a teacher I am a mandated reporter and if a kid says it I report it and let the proper authorities handle it. If you think shes lying you make a note to your boss but still let the authorities know and theyll determine. Teachers dont get in trouble for playing it safe.
3. Ive had a girl confide in me she was was pregnant by her father. Yeah ive seen heard and been around tragic stuff.
4. Twice youve questioned my teaching. Twice ive disproven your asinine comments. My teacher of the year awards far outweigh what you think about me as a teacher.
And this isn’t a baseball argument so I’ll stop after this, but when I was working in high schools, with 14-15-16 year-olds, as you do, a girl came up to me and my co-teachers, and told us she was being physically and mentally abused by her boyfriend, who was in his mid-late 20s. She was financially dependent on him as her parents had thrown her out of the house. I live in southern indiana, where poverty is rampant and lots of high school kids are homeless. They end up in situations in which, indeed, they are financially dependent on adults who abuse them. We never called hem “gold diggers.” We actually treat them with compassion.
It gives no mention of whether this was part her property or not. If she’s arguing he stole her money and won’t let her in a house that she owns, then that’s one thing. They aren’t/weren’t married, so if this was his house and money, she shouldn’t even have access to $300, even if he did beat her (I hope this isn’t true, but I didn’t see anything about this in the article). I’m that case it would be his property and he has the right to kick her out and not give her anything. There’s not enough info in this article to know if she owned some of the property or not, but unless she has property rights to some of this stuff/real property/money, she doesn’t deserve anything. So let’s reserve judgement until we know who’s property it is.
No, I think we should jump to judgement and branding before we know the facts.
Tar, Torches, and Pitch Forks for all! Get the Harlot!
Did she go to the police with this? Or just instagram?
Wow, another domestic violence story, and against a guy like Norris. It seems strange, and in my opinion inappropriate, that she would put this on social media instead of going straight to authorities. Some of the stuff she says also just seems odd, but maybe there’s a reason behind it. I’m sure Manfred and MLB will figure things out and see what really happened between these two.
I understand why JAF’s original reply to SFMP’s post was taken down, but I feel that removing it paints his portrait without all of the correct strokes.
Major League Baseball needs to keep its nose out of people’s personal business.
Anyone can make any unsubstantiated allegation against someone and then Rob Manfred and his goons have the right of away to publicly “investigate” a potentially criminal matter that falls outside the scope of their jurisdiction?
If he were juicing, investigate. If he were corking bats, investigate. If he were passing around pills, investigate. But to go on this big virtue signaling to appease people because NFL players get caught on tape beating the urine out of their girlfriends is just ridiculous.
This isn’t to say that Norris might not be a piece of garbage who is abusive. He might be. But you let the police handle that. Domestic violence sucks, it’s wrong and we all know that. But for the love of all things right in the world, MLB needs to back off with this stuff.
We’re going to reach the point where a Yankees fan dates a Red Sox player and alleges these types of things and Manfred steps in and suspends the type of player. Think that is ridiculous? So do I but so is all of this.
Given the duration of the last investigations, these are matters that the league takes with care. They won’t just suspend someone based off a suspicion.
As for the league suspending someone for personal matters, I can guarantee you that your company will be less likely to hire anyone who has issues like this.
But the problem is that there are no issues.
There are zero issues until proven so in a court of law.
And until that time, this should be none of their business. It’s not actionable. Get some police reports, some under oath testimony, charges SOMETHING!
That’s the problem with allegations of DV and Rape. Everyone automatically believes the victim and the burden falls on the accused to prove they didn’t do something which is the exact inverse of how our CJ system works.
The investigations are completely private and nobody is gooned. MLB and the MLBPA created the domestic violence policy jointly. So far it has worked well and there’s no reason to expect this situation will not also be handled appropriately.
You are missing my point.
There are no allegations, at least not actionable legal ones and my point is that until that time comes, the MLB should keep their hands off this.
Jose Reyes type of situations? Yes. Punish them. He was arrested and charged. He should be punished for that.
Some (probably) bitter ex-girlfriend/fiance making an instagram post? Not so much.
You didn’t actually make a point, because the policy does not require any legal actions of any kind. It seems this has to be explained every single time a player is being investigated under the policy. Over and over and over, for some reason.
Now, I am not saying either side is guilty or innocent, but one part of her post did rub me the wrong way:
“When I left I had $300 to my name, I had no access to money, I had no access to cars and was only given the courtesy to remove my items from our home. When I left, he and his family made sure I had nothing.”
-The “he and his family made sure I had nothing” quote has me skeptical. I personally don’t understand her. What, was she expecting a car as compensation for their split? As with any part of a breakup, you keep whatever items were actually owned and purchased by YOU. If she didn’t have a car or a bunch of assets, that’s HER fault, not his. Seems to me that she is still mad about the way the relationship ended, rather than what she writes at the beginning about moving on.
This can’t be true because Norris can’t even hit.
That’s funny feel guilty laughing
@amjr LOL!! This is pure genius. You should be his defense lawyer!!!
I don’t ever issue judgement until the truth comes out. Until Norris is convicted of domestic violence he is innocent in my eyes.
good! that’s how we as people should respond to news like this.
What do you mean by convicted?
Convicted in a court of law by a jury.
Convictions on domestic abuse rarely happen. The more money the accused has then it becomes even more rare. Remember Ray Rice, the football player who was caught on camera beating his finance? Charges were dropped.
My point is not to undermine what you’re say, for the most part I agree with you. I have no belief one way or the other about Norris based on this article. I’ll just say instead of conviction, I’d make a judgement on a preponderance of evidence.
The commissioner has a defined method of investigation, agreed to jointly by the MLB and the MLBPA. Any efforts to turn this into a legal or even quasi-legal procedure will fail to explain it, because it is not one.
Well if a video comes out of Norris beating his wife, that’s different, but if there is nothing like that, then I want a conviction to say he is guilty.
Smells of baloney. Norris will be cleared. “Emotional abuse” apparently is not allowing your ex to drive your Rolls Royce. MURICA!!
We should all make sure that we make up our minds before hearing all the facts.
Considering how Norris was reported to have treated teammates, I could see how he would mistreat a woman who was dependent on him.
That being said, he deserves to have an investigation of the allegations before he is tried in the public forums.
Its entirely possible everything this woman says is true. There are many reasons people accept abuse in their relations and only come forward later. I am sure there were certain material comforts and a nice lifestyle that offset some of that, and then he dumped her w/o a good bye bonus so she could get on her feet.
MLB can only act on facts and evidence and not take sides in a he said she said dispute. Needs to be some physical evidence, witnesses or a police report before they can do anything. I suppose they interview her and see if anyone can corroborate it. Perhaps a fat check will be in her future if there is any truth to it. Not saying thats her motivation.
Interesting radio interview today with a family member, not Kisten Eck, saying Norris asked Eck to quit school and her job so she could go on the road with him and support him by being there and told her to sell her car and things like furnishings because he would take care of her. They said that he asked her to create joint bank accounts because he would provide for her. The family member in the interview said he also picked out much of her clothes. If what they are saying is true that Norris did that, that is typical victimizer actions. It says “I want complete control of your actions”, a form of abuse, and it leads down the predictable road of mental and often physical abuse.
It’s not first hand, so take it with a grain of salt. If its true, its damning evidence.
What I find most interesting is that Eck knows how much money Norris has and could easily take him to civil court to ask for reparations for abuse, whether or not she files criminal charges, but chose not too. Even her filing against him would cost Norris tens of thousands to defend, while an attorney would take her case pro bono. It says a lot about her character that she has not done that. She does not seem bitter, she chose to leave, and she has taken responsibility for her life since then, completed her degree and is teaching. Norris on the other hand has seen his baseball life fall apart as his ability to hit a ball completely abandoned him. He has been with 3 teams in 2 seasons and now he may lose his job entirely for a time. Karma is a b#%^h.
This is classic abuser behavior; make the abused partner financially dependent on the abuser and then she/he has no way out.