Aug. 4: Anthony Fenech of the Detroit Free Press reports that Verlander has cleared revocable waivers (Twitter link). As such, the Tigers will be able to freely discuss trades of Verlander from now through the end of the 2017 season, though he’d need to be on a new team’s roster before Sept. 1 in order to be eligible for the postseason roster.
Aug. 2: Tigers righty Justin Verlander was placed on revocable waivers on Wednesday, tweets ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick. It’s worth emphasizing, especially early in the month, that the move comes as no surprise. Teams will place the vast majority of their rosters on revocable waivers this month in an effort to gauge interest and also as a smokescreen to mask which players they may actually be more amenable to trading. There’s no downside, after all, as each club has the right to pull a player back from waivers the first time that he is claimed.
[Related: How August Trades Work]
That said, Verlander’s placement is among the more notable instances of this largely procedural move. With about $65.3MM owed to Verlander through the completion of the 2019 season, he’s exceedingly likely to clear. At that point, the Tigers will be able to continue discussing trades with all 29 other teams in the league, though Verlander’s full no-trade clause and sizable contract will continue to serve as significant impediments to working out a trade. (Notably, Crasnick reminds that Verlander’s no-trade protection would allow him to even veto a claim in the unlikely event that a club places a claim and the Tigers were willing to let him go for nothing.)
At last check, Anthony Fenech of the Detroit Free Press reported that the Tigers were only willing to pay the remainder of Verlander’s 2017 salary — a sum that currently stands at about $9.33MM. That’d leave any team on the hook for $56MM from 2018-19 in the event of a Verlander trade.
The 34-year-old Verlander hasn’t been himself in 2017, as he’s averaged fewer than six innings per start with an elevated 4.2 BB/9 rate and a diminished 8.7 K/9 rate. The deteriorated ground-ball rate he’s displayed in recent years has also held up, as he’s checked in at 33.9 percent in that regard. Overall, Verlander has a 4.29 ERA through 130 frames this year, though his fastball velocity remains as strong as ever (95.2 mph average). And, to his credit, Verlander has been much better in his past 32 innings in terms of ERA (2.25), though his 3.7 BB/9 rate in that time is still a lofty mark — especially by his excellent standards.
The Cubs, Astros, Dodgers and Brewers were among the teams linked to the former Rookie of the Year, Cy Young winner and American League MVP prior to the non-waiver deadline. The Dodgers, of course, went on to pick up Yu Darvish in a last-minute deadline blockbuster, while the Cubs made a significant rotation splash in mid-July by acquiring Jose Quintana from the crosstown White Sox.
Another Dave Dombroski inappropriately long and high AAV pitchers contract…..
Wonder if you would have made that comment a year ago….verlanders has returned more value than a lot of other pitchers at these types of contracts
People on here have the shortest memories in the world…
People on here are very fair weather fans also. Justin’s contract wasn’t a bad contract it’s just over priced now. To get the player to sign the years sometimes have to go up. I doubt very many were complaining when it was signed
I don’t think that it’s over priced. Put him on a team like the Cubs, Dodgers, Astros, Yankees, or Red Sox and see how much better his stats will be. Dude fastball is hitting 97mph again. He has a lot left in the tank
His FIP is 4.15 and xFIP 4.81. He’s walking over 4 batters per 9, his BB% is the highest of his career and is 3% higher than his career number. His K% is also below his career K%. The team has nothing to do with it.
He has a 2..49 ERA in the second half and highest average fastball velocity since his MVP season (95.1 mph).
fangraphs.com/pitchfx.aspx?playerid=8700&posi…
It’s not exactly black and white
If you don’t think he’s over paid and these contracts are ruining baseball then we’re watching a different game. I don’t care how good or bad he does. It’s to much
From what I hear the vast majority of people in Detroit can’t even afford to go to the games. Buying a dog and a beer at a game is out of the question.
If you think that it is player salary that drives up the price of tickets and concessions you need a lesson in economics
I agree the money athletes make is rediculous, but I would rather the athletes have the money than the owner.
At least the players (especially the well paid ones) do a lot for charity.
As for Detroit Tigers tickets, they can be somewhat expensive ($50 for a decent seat- not upper deck), but there are always deals. There are at least 5 deals a year where you can get a ticket for $20. Aside for the seats behind home plate or near the dugouts, it really isn’t all that bad.
He’s overpaid, son. You can go ahead and give me a lesson in economics if you want. Make yourself sound like a fool
Am I the only person who thinks a million dollars a start is to much?
It is too much, but at the same time, if the players didn’t get it, the owners would. At least the players do more for charity and their community
Charity?! What i see clearly is the guys on the diamond are overpaid and It’s ruining the game. Changing the game. It’s almost unwatchable. Players are all buddy buddy with the other teams. It’s bad
It really wasn’t terrible when it was signed. Verlander was seeking 6-7 and got 5.. He had a good year in 2015 but missed time due to injury, should’ve won the Cy last year, and is having now having a down year. Some team would’ve given him a similar contract if DD didn’t. He signed the extension fresh off of his 2012 season when he finished 2nd in the Cy voting.
He should not have won the Cy last year. Porcello was deserving.
Porcello should’ve been third and everyone knows it. Verlander and Sanchez were both better
No he wasn’t. Porcello was like the 5th best starter in the AL last year. Only won cuz of wins (which aren’t a real stat anyway)
And Kluber and Fulmer
Detroit fans always try to make it sound like Verlander was a no-brainer Cy Young favorite last year and got screwed. Any one of Porcello, Kluber, or Sale was just as deserving as Verlander last year. Heck, even Britton could be placed in that group if you don’t mind a reliever winning. Personally, I’m not a fan of that since he pitched less than 1/3 of the innings compared to the others, but to each their own. Despite what Tigers fans want to believe, the fact remains the same – none of those guys were spectacular enough to run away with the Cy Young voting last year.
What are you guys basing your picks off of? I would love to know why Fulmer or Sanchez were more deserving. Just ERA? That’s about all I can see…
Tell me one stat that Porcello beat Verlander in. And no, wins don’t count.
FIP, K/BB, tied in fWAR… And he was within about 0.1 points of Verlander in ERA and xFIP. Not really running away from anyone if you ask me.
Verlander was better in almost everything other than wins. That was only bc Porcello received some of the best run support in baseball
And Verlander led in literally every other stat. Even if it wasn’t by much he still was better. Why would you give it to the guy who was clearly inferior in almost every stat? Even if it wasn’t by much.
Just admit it. Porcello won because of wins, even tho my dead grandma could get that many wins with the amount of run support Porcello got.
I never once said that wins didn’t play a factor, and I never would say that because they clearly do for voters. All I said is that Verlander clearly wasn’t head and shoulders above everyone else like Tigers fans seem to think. Any one of Porcello, Verlander, Kluber, or Sale could’ve been picked and I would’ve been perfectly fine with it.
Not head and shoulders better but consistently better in every relevant stat. Porcello shouldn’t have win over a clearly better pitcher just cuz of his stupid win total but the voters are morons who actually care about wins and losses.
So you don’t want the league leader in wins on your team?
You’re a special kind of stupid aren’t you? He wouldn’t be the league leader in wins without the crazy run support he was getting.
Only you would compare HOF to a nobody
Porcelo was not just as deserving, and I am not a Tigers fan.
Speaking of wins, Porcello isn’t winning games this year.
It’s not that Verlander didn’t win – it’s why he didn’t win that was the sham. That two writers left him off the ballot made the whole thing a joke.
Britton should have won it imo.
Wouldn’t have been as lame as Porcello winning. That was just a travesty.
No cherry picking stats. Count them all, or don’t count any of them.
he had the highest WAR among all AL starters last year
Who would you take now him or Porcello big V wins that one oh I’m a Cub fan
Check all the stats that matter. JV beat him 11 of 13 so you are crazy. JV had more 1st place votes by a large margin. Two writers inexcusably left him off their ballot so the lower end points he needed for the win, cost him. Two 5th place votes and JV wins. Ridiculous!
Not exactly, he won because the stupidity of two writers who left JV off their ballots. JV had more 1st place votes but lost the scoring. It was ridiculous because if those two writers gave JV at least a 5th place vote, JV wins.
He had more 1st place votes than ANY other candidate. Go look at the scoring and two stupid writers failed to even place him in the top 5. Why don’t you actually do some research before shamelessly criticizing JV.
He has contributed 52..5 WAR to the Tigers and has been paid $170 MM so far by DD. He is owed another $60 MM. By my calculations he doesn’t have to do anything for the rest of his contract and DD is way ahead in his negotiations with Verlander. People always want to pounce on the last years of a contract and call it an albatross if they aren’t MVP or Cy Young years.
Dombrowski has nothing to apologize for when it comes to Justin Verlander. He has already earned every dollar he will get.
And a team that trades for him won’t be getting any of that value.
That’s true. The statement was that DD signed him to a bad contract. It was a series of great contracts he negotiated with Verlander.
Fangraphs currently uses $7.7 MM per WAR and at that rate Verlander would have to earn about 7 over the next 2 years to earn his keep. That’s well within reach since he is at 2 WAR already this year with a bad start. If Detroit eats the rest of this years salary there is some value there.
More importantly, what are a couple crucial playoff wins worth by a proven playoff warrior?
I know people don’t like it, but bottom line results do matter. Look at Kershaw. Best pitcher in the game, back when the games count in October, he completely disappears
More like another Mike Illitch decision to keep his stars in Detroit and especially ones in their prime and potential HOF.
Tiger fans were demanding Verlander be signed and not only did the team get him signed but now may be able to dump him off in the worse years of the deal. They can’t possible expect to get a legit prospect back but if they can find a team to take on 50 plus million it’s a win.
Yeah, he’s clearing lol
He’d clear 200 times if they put him three they many times
apparently so would bryce harper
Verlander was great 3-4 years ago… Who knows? He might come back…
3-4 years ago? He was great last year!!
He was better in 2016 than he was 3-4 years ago.
the problem is the contract
This year ain’t bad sound like another Boris cancer contract killing the great American past time
If a team put a claim in on him…would Detroit just let him go without a return and just let them take the entire contract on?
It could be interesting!!
If so, this could be a move a team like the Mariners makes. Although probably too pricey for them, if they really are going for it, it would make sense considering their farm.
Not too much money, they’ll have Iwakuma coming off the books next year and most likely Smyly. This leaves quite a bit to take on….the 9.3 this year is a little different. Being a Mariners fan, I’d rather wait until he clears, then give up a couple pieces as long as Detroit coughs up some more dough….all barring Verlander approving it of course(great pitchers park). Either way, he’ll get paid but how much does he want to win now. We’re currently on a roll.
If someone put in a claim on him they’d be stupid to not let him go. He’s not getting claimed tho. And then there’s the whole no-trade clause issue which also applies to waiver claims.
Why? Then they could have just traded him for nothing a week ago. There were teams interested in either taking the contract or giving up prospects with the Tigers footing some of the bill.
I think there was a report saying no one wanted to touch that contract.
He has a full no trade clause. He can only be traded with his permission. That has to be factored in as well.
@WCRyan
This is not a fantasy league. You completely ignore how moving the face of your franchise for no return looks to the fans. It would be absolutely DISASTROUS. It would kill ticket sales, adversely effect ad revenue, and kill the public perception of the Tigers. Oh, and don’t forget the team is about to negotiate a new TV deal. This is not a journeyman player. JV was drafted and brought up thru the system. In Detroit, the saying was “JV is Must See.” He has provided the best memories to the current fan base. And while he may not be his younger self, he is still a very productive player.
Only a fool,or fantasy leaguer, would salary dump him.
Not sure how much credibility a guy who used the “Are you his agent?” comeback when I said Aroldis Chapman would never take an extension has.
P.S. I was right on the money about that.
I think you are confused. Regardless, what would that have to do with this thread? We are neither talking about Chapman, nor soon to be free agents signing extensions. (If you did say Chapman wouldn’t sign one, it would be one of the few rational things you’ve said.) As you have chosen to try and deflect, rather than stay on topic, it appears you find nothing to disagree with here.
Not confused. It has everything to do with your credibility. I said a year ago that Chapman would never take an extension and you asked me “Are you his agent or something?” Don’t even try to pretend that anyone who uses that line isn’t pot stirring. And it was pretty obvious that Chapman was going to the open market.
As for Verlander, the Tigers have already milked all the value out of him. That is the return they are getting for him. You don’t get to trade overpaid, over-the-hill players for legitimate prospects unless you are trading with Preller or Stewart. I know he’s a franchise icon but eventually something’s gotta give.
Again, using words that someone else said to you, has nothing to do with My credibility. I won’t put words in your mouth. I don’t have to. And still you deflect. I am not saying they will trade him. I am saying they won’t salary dump him. If they get value for him, great. I suspect, however, he will be a Tiger for life. And, you, the fool, wants to let him go on waivers.
I’m staring at your comment right now. You did say this. I don’t have to put words in anyone’s mouth. And letting Verlander go on waivers would be the more prudent move from a baseball perspective.
No. The Cubs reportedly wanted to do that… but the Tigers wanted top prospects too.
Where did it say, specifically, that the cubs wanted to take on all of his contract? Curious to see which side that report was from
My guess? Not the Cubs side.
The Cubs were one of the few teams with no leaks on draft night. Because they try to avoid leaks.
I can’t see any team taking that risk, nor can I see the Tigers turning and telling their fans that they let a franchise icon go for literally no return other than cost savings.
I’ll be pretty stunned by any result other than Verlander simply clearing waivers.
You have a team like the Cubs that could afford to take on his contract though. That is why I don’t think he will get through waivers. A team like the Cubs could hope the Tigers just let the Cubs take on the price tag, but the Tigers will still want something in return.
While they could afford him, they wouldn’t do that. They will save the money and buy better, younger guys this off season.
That’s either Tanaka or darvish, both of whom might be more expensive than you think
I doubt Tanaka opts out.
Personally, I think he could do better than a 3 year deal on the open market. He’s been healthy, and a 4 year + contract would be through his prime.
Everything Verlander has done up to this point would be the return the Tigers got for him.
Most fans aren’t going to view it that way, though, which is why every report indicated that Detroit was seeking a club that would take on his entire 2018-19 salary and also surrender top-shelf prospects. The team’s players, too, would have a hard time processing the thought of Verlander effectively being given away.
I agree that from a pure baseball sense, it’d very likely be a good thing for the TIgers. But, I don’t think any front office would operate without carefully considering those PR and clubhouse ramifications.
Trying to appease the casual fan is never a good baseball decision. Tigers are headed in the direction of the 2014 Phillies.
What are you talking about? Without the casual fan, MLB will be in the same position as the NHL. You can’t give the fans the complete right to run the team, but you can’t actively turn them off either.
Some people here need to realize that this is not some fantasy team or computer program. These are real human beings that fans have developed a love for over many years. I don’t root for laundry, I root for the people wearing the laundry.
Hope the Tigers like being the new 2014 Phillies then.
JV is like Mickey Mouse in Disney World. Causal Fans pay attention to #MustSeeJV even if they are not the other 4 days. That alone is probably worth $10MM to the Tigers per year.
That’s not gonna win you a World Series
I’m so sick of the Phillies comparison. People have been saying that since 2012.
No two teams are exactly the same, and the Tigers have more promising pieces (fulmer, manning, Faedo, layout, stewart, boyd, norris, etc.) than the Phillies did when they started to struggle.
The Phillies had about 8 guys 34 or older too.
It’s just such a lazy comparison…
Rostered players at 38 or older for the Tigers: JV, miggy, Vmart, Sanchez. Kinsler. That’s it. Kinsler (trade) and Sanchez won’t be on the books next year, and vmart is gone after 2018. Miggy and JV are still very productive. It’s a terrible comparison.
Verlander would be be claimed almost for certain if he was pitching up to his ace salary, so the impediment isn’t the contract, it’s the level of performance. It should be notable that the Tigers were prepared to pay part of his contract to move him.
We’ve talked about this before. Stop trolling. It’s due to the money that he’s owed, not due to his performance.
As you admitted, even scherzer wouldn’t be claimed if he was on waivers.
Come on man.
Stop misrepresenting what I’ve said. The problem with Scherzer’s contract was explained fully, you just chose to ignore the facts.
Come on man.
“Verlander would be be claimed almost for certain if he was pitching up to his ace salary, so the impediment isn’t the contract, it’s the level of performance.”
You yourself said Scherzer would not be claimed, regardless of his performance, because of his contract.
However, Scherzer, according to fangraphs (link: fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-trade-value-31-to-40/) is 33 on the list of best trade value. He’s been the best pitcher in baseball this year. So Scherzer’s performance has nothing to do with him not being claimed, but Verlander does? See the fault in your logic?
Now, as far as Verlander’s performance:
You’ve also heard me say before that Verlander now has a
2.49 ERA in the second half with a k/9 of 9.9. (link: baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=verla…)
Additionally, you’ve heard that Verlander’s stats from his first half were inflated by only 3 starts where he gave up over 5 runs.
(link: baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=verlaju0…)
I’ve also explained that his stuff has actually improved this year- resulting in the highest average fastball velocity he’s had since 2011. (link: fangraphs.com/pitchfx.aspx?playerid=8700&posi…)
The reason he won’t be claimed, just like Scherzer, is because of the size of his contract, not his performance. Even in a ridiculous hypothetical where he hasn’t given up a run the entire year, you could still make the argument he wouldn’t be claimed because the Tigers would just pull him back off of waivers- which is exactly what this article says if you read it,
Point is, you can’t just claim that Verlander sucks because he probably won’t be claimed on waivers.
Yup. I’d imagine so.
I highly doubt it. First, I’m not exactly sure how the no trade clause would work in that instance. For example, if all teams passed until the Rockies and they claimed him, could he be forced to go without his permission. I know he can be released, but if he is released he is forced to go to a certain team.
If he’s granted his release he can do whatever he wants while collecting the remaining salary owed to him.
He can veto a trade anywhere. They can’t make him do anything.
He has a no trade clause, he doesn’t have a can’t-let-me-get-claimed-on-waivers clause.
The no trade clause means he even has a say on being claimed on waivers.
Dodgers could claim him just for the fun of adding payroll.
Would it be a even half billion with his contract ?
JV is not going anywhere. Move on.
I expect him to have a stellar 2nd half though. There will be a few regrets with teams that did not try harder to get him.
Let me guess, Tigers’ fan
He is. And I am too. JV will finish the season strong. feel free to watch, we know him well
Cubs could use him, but taking on all that salary males no sense.
sexist
Now THAT’S funny.
Cubs have used most of their trading chips. The cupboard is bare.
I long for the good old days where we never knew who was placed on revocable waivers.
After recent actions of the inept Astros at the trade deadline this has to be something they would have to work out with Avila. Period case closed claim him and hope for the best. Maybe u can get a little more out of the deal to go with it
David Price and $$ to balance things out for V. and a player/cash to be named later (in the unlikely chance Price opts out next year).
Shhhh don’t say anything about David Price, BoSox fans haven’t realized this guy is a crybaby loser yet. They will find out this postseason.
Why the heck would the Tigers take on more than $100 million in additional salary? Price’s deal was ludicrous from the start. No thank you.
I don’t understand why the Cubs would want him don’t they have 5 starters already? The white Sox should claim him and take on the whole contract and then flip him for prospects while picking up part of his contract in the trade. Since they won’t be spending big money for a few years.
I don’t think Detroit wants to get rid of him bad enough to allow that to happen…
David Price. Nuff said
Will trade Matt Kemp for him
Phils take on the full 2018-19 salary. Offer P Ben Lively, C Cameron Rupp and RF Dylan Cozens. Tigers hang up the phone on that, no worries mate.
Detroit needs to just hold onto Verlander and and eat the 9 mil for the rest of the year. If Verlander comes back to form, trade him in the offseason. Their best bet though is if Verlander has a good first half next year, you can probably get the remainder of his contract taken off your hands and some top prospects. It’s a risk but it’s their best shot at really getting a good return while still saving a big chunk of money from his contract. Considering they were willing to eat this years remainder anyways to make a deal, It only makes sense to wait
Low 2.00 ERA in the second half. He already is back to form.
2.49 ERA and a 9.9k/9 in the second half*
What would happen if a team claims him, the Tigers let them take on the contract, & Verlander vetos it. Would they be able to keep putting him through until he either makes it unclaimed, or his is claimed by a team he approves of.
This is a good Steve Question.
A player can only be placed on revocable waivers the one time (for that season). After that, he’s on regular waivers and they’re basically cutting him. If he’s claimed, that’s it for this year.
Okay. And?
In other news……
Crazy idea:
Yankees get JV.
Tigers get Ellsbury, Chance Adams and money.
You did say crazy right? Yanks wouldn’t give up Adams, especially in a bad contract for bad contract swap where they take on relatively the same amount of money as they are giving (Verlander is owed a minimum of $56 + a vesting option of $28 mil whereas Ellsbury is owed $68 mil.
I totally agree with you, Ells + money for JV would be fair but Verlander has had a better second half than Ellsbury and i think Detroit would need a prospect to convince them to trade their franchise icon.
The option is $22MM and only if he finishes top 5 in Cy Young the year before. Verlander has more than double the WAR value over the last three years and more importantly, this year.
You would be asking the Tigers to take an inferior player and $12MM in salary. Not happening without prospects.
The vesting option actually has value to the contract- it only vests Verlander finishes in the top 5 of the cy young voting- in which case you would WANT to have him for that extra year.
I think Detroit says no on the deal but it’s definitely not the worst deal I’ve heard. JV is still a very good player, whereas I would argue ellsbury (especially with his injuries) is not very valuable. Ellsbury really hasn’t been all that above average in 3 years, whereas Verlander was dominant last year. Ellsbury is owed more. Arguably, a SP is worth more than a CF anyways- especially when his future in CF will be in doubt as he continues to age.
Unfortunately, the yanks would need to add another significant piece to that deal.
The vesting option is only if he finishes top 5 in Cy Young in 2019. If you think the Tigers should be dumping him as a bad contract, why would you think he will finish in the top 5? If you think he could finish in the top 5, why do you think it’s a bad contract? Make up your mind. You can’t have it both ways.
If the Tigers are rebuilding, they are better off doing so with JV versus Ellsbury.
So to clarify, if JV clears waivers during the 47 hour waiver period, does he have to be placed on waivers again to be traded later this month?
No. Once he clears waivers, he can be traded anywhere but he still has his veto. Houston will negotiate with the Tigers but how much is Chris Illitch willing to pay?
Thanks. So it makes sense for him to be on waivers early in the month.
No ones going to touch him on waivers or else you’ll have a more expensive version of Alex rios
JV could end up in Houston. Both the fans and Players are speaking out about standing pat. The Darvish trade was last minute, and the Astros couldn’t react. JV might be there chance to even the odds.
I wonder if any team would pick him up just to block the Astros? The Tigers would more than likely pull him back and then try and work out a trade.
Would be insane if the Cubs claimed him
Don’t be surprised if the Angels claim him. If they can move Nolasco to the pen. That would give the Angels an extra 8 wins down the stretch.
He is going to Houston. I would have to believe that the Astros have to have some concern over their starting 5 at the moment.
Here is what is strategically interesting about this to me:
1. Tigers said they will not trade him for nothing. They want BOTH prospects and salary relief.
2. Maybe the Astros would be willing to give the Tigers what they want now after seeing their rivals get better.
3. Does another team, like the Indians, Yankees or Red Sox, that has an earlier waiver claim, “bet the house” that #1 will happen, just to block the Astros? If they are wrong about the Tigers wanting prospects along with salary relief, they are stuck with an albatross contract and maybe a luxury tax.
Marquee players going on waivers often sets up an interesting dynamic, but the most likely outcome in this case is he clears and Detroit shops him again in August. Whether they find a buyer depends a lot on how he performs over the next two or three weeks. I suspect the teams that were sniffing around before weren’t convinced that his good July offset a poor April-June.
Houston would seem like the logical option, but I’m not sure how many of their top prospects are on the 40-man; I know Fisher is, so that complicates things with regards to a deal, because he’s obviously not getting through waivers.
Perfect time for a player to be named later. Tigers get Fisher in the off season and the Astros get to use him for the playoff drive.
You need to worry about trading him without eating any of the contract before you can worry about getting a prospect as good as Fisher in return. He went unclaimed meaning no one wants him at his current salary so you’re S.O.L.
Why would the Tigers need to be worried about trading him without eating salary? Avila stated publicly that they would be willing to eat money on a deal if doing so would increase the return…
All the talk about the Astros. I wonder if he would agree?
After watching the Cubs pitching the just few days he might not look bad in a Cub uniform
Wonder if Detroit would take on a bad contract with prospects? Kemp + organizational 10-15 and a 20-30. Braves take in near $8M a year for sturdy mentor to young pitchers, plus Verlander could certainly Fair better in NL. His worst games this year are two against CLE.
Just a thought.
I could see a contract coming back, but it would have to be one that the Tigers actually need. The complaint is that the value Verlander offers is not as much as his contract. The question with Kemp is does he have value at all. That’s not going to work.
Probably right, just didn’t know as a DH and possible OF slot when needed. Still capable of 25 HRs a year I think.
Kemp could be a great DH, imo.
I’d be ok with Atlanta taking Verlander.
If Avila can get out from that contract, he should do it. Honestly getting a mid-level prospect back in a salary dump would be better for the Tigers long-term than holding out. He’s 34 and has thrown over 2,500 professional (milb and mlb) innings and is a hard-thrower. Who knows how many bullets are left. If the Cubs want to take him, eat the salary and give you Jen-Ho Tseng or something back, don’t argue, say thank you.
Getting under the luxury tax will save money and will help out with draft picks.
That would be like the Phillies salary dumping Mike Schmidt. Just not happening.
Fans that quote advanced metrics are the most boring people in the world. Get a life or start writing for a team.
Yeah, there’s nothing quite as exciting as talking about won-lost records and RBIs
If The Tigers Are Trying To Dump His Salary The angels should make a move Hamilton’s contract goes away next year that would cover most of the contract… He would be a huge boost to that staff. He could be an ace on upcoming squad… Help Alot Of Young Talent Including canning who could be an amazing number 2…
If the Tigers were just trying to dump Verlander’s salary, he would be on the Cubs right now.
Seriously,
Cubs catcher Wilson Contreras played left field today against the Nationals, to give Avila time behind home plate. Obviously, Contreras has a very hot bat as of late and they want him in the game. But Schwarber has been hitting well since the ASB.
It’s interesting timing to see Verlander clear waivers and Contreras playing left field instead of taking a day of rest.
What if the Cubs traded Schwarber to the Tigers for Verlander? Besides a chunk of Verlander’s contract, would else do you think it would take for the deal to go down?
Verlander to the cubs for 90% of his salary and a ptbnl probably a low prospect.
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