Despite coming off a roughly five-win season, Reds shortstop Zack Cozart could face a difficult market in free agency, writes Zach Buchanan of the Cincinnati Enquirer. Buchanan quotes an exec from the American League and another from the National League who suggested that Cozart would struggle to match even the three-year, $40MM pact attained by J.J. Hardy at a similar age three offseasons ago. A lack of contending teams in clear need of a shortstop is working against Cozart, as is the fact that he doesn’t have a track record of producing at his 2017 levels. An NL exec opined that Cozart could expand his market by adopting a super-utility role in which he started a couple of times per week at shortstop, second base and third base, though Buchanan notes that Cozart “feels strongly” about remaining a shortstop. Cincinnati is thought to be “leaning heavily against” a qualifying offer for Cozart, per Buchanan, which would certainly help his free-agent stock. From my view, it still seems likely that a team will ultimately see Cozart as too good a value not to find a spot for him at a certain point. It’s difficult to see his market falling below even the three-year, $33-36MM range, as even if he doesn’t replicate his 2017 excellence at the plate, he could still be reasonably expected to more than justify that level of commitment.
Elsewhere in the NL Central…
- The Cubs need to replace 40 percent of their starting rotation in 2018, writes Bruce Levine of CBS Chicago/670 The Score, adding that the team is “expected” to pursue an acquisition similar to its July pickup of Jose Quintana (i.e. a controllable arm on the trade market). Levine speculatively lists former Cub Jeff Samardzija (now the Giants and owed $58.5MM through 2020) and Rays right-hander Chris Archer (owed $34MM through 2021, with the final two years being club options) as possibilities. Of course, the Giants have shown no inclination that they’ll be selling off veteran pieces this winter, and the Rays have no pressure to move Archer, whose contract is one of the most affordable commitments to any established starter in the big leagues. Levine also notes Alex Cobb as a potential free-agent target, noting the righty’s connection to manager Joe Maddon and pitching coach Jim Hickey — each of whom knows Cobb well from their days with the Rays.
- Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch has posted highlights from a lengthy, comprehensive chat on the Cardinals and their offseason plans. There are more than a dozen interesting scenarios covered within, including the team’s search for a closer, the need to add a known quantity to the middle of the lineup and the possibility (or lack thereof) various players currently on the roster will be moved. Goold notes that the Cardinals have had interest in Brandon Morrow on multiple occasions in the past and notes that he could well be a target if the Cardinals ultimately decide to pursue multiple arms and have a competition for the ninth inning next spring. He also adds that St. Louis will likely pursue top-end closers (e.g. Wade Davis, Greg Holland), though the Cards will have obvious competition on that front. Any who track the offseason closely, especially fans of the Cardinals or other clubs in the NL Central, will want to take a full look for some insight into the Redbirds’ upcoming plans.
How are they getting Archer without any prospects left? You’d think they can only trade one of happ/baez and maybe almora. Seems to me it’d be a whole lot easier to sign cobb.
2 Julys ago cub fans wouldn’t trade schwarber for Sale. Now they think he’ll get them Archer.
Maybe someday they’ll realize his actual value.
a poor mans adam dunn
I’m not sure who you talked to, but no one I know wouldn’t have made that trade.
I don’t know about Sale, but it’s true that prior to last year Theo considered Schwarber untouchable. He’s had a man crush on him.
Still does.
Have a man crush, that is.
Rumors of Cozart’s FA value – NOT surprising.
what happend to the cubs dynasty? i forgot, they started another drought dynasty this year.
3 straight NLCS’s and one championship. Pretty good start.
Their core is still very young.. Their dynasty hasn’t even started yet. Give them another year or two of seasoning, a decent starter or two and they are going to be the team to beat until everyone hits free agency..
Well they did win, so it has started.
So 3 straight trips to postseason with one WS and this team hasn’t started their dynasty yet? Come on… That’s cray cray talk.
Cubs fans need to accept the fact this team peaked early. Not a thing wrong with it either. With 2/5ths of the SP gone and zero in house candidates. Coupled with a BP that was problematic all season long. Davis is a FA and will not be giving any team a discount on years or sac.
Any Cubs fan pretending that team will fork over front of the rotation SP without getting both quality & quantity of prospects back is smoking crack.
Theo and co now have to draft at back end of drafts and dig to find talent and develop it. Gone are the days of top 3 picks. Gone is a stocked farm system loaded with hitters.
Cubs gonna have to get creative like the rest of baseball.
This is back when Cubs fans felt that Addy was going to a be a 280 hitter with 20-25 HR pop, and now he’s just consistently below average. Jeff Sullivan hit it home – the defense wasn’t as lucky as it was in 2016, and the team’s offense regressed from a loaded lineup of superstars to a range of useful to good players, but not great. I’m happy they won in 2016, but I don’t think that was a deserving team.
2016 Cubs were definitely a deserving team.
Cubs May be well served to offer Russell to TB in a trade that would bring Archer to CHI. Rays need an everyday SS. Russell could still fulfill the promise he showed in 2016, but I think Archer would hold more value for the Cubs than gambling on whether or not Russell figures things out. CHI can always sign a Zach Cozart to a 2 or 3 year deal as an ample replacement.
Russell plus who?
The “Genius” traded the farm for a couple of relievers.
With that the dynasty ended before it began.
What “farm” did they trade for a couple of relievers?
The only useful prospect the Cubs traded for a reliever was the Chapman-Torres trade.
Disagree. Candelario and Paredes are good prospects (not top-tier, of course, but potential everyday players)
Not to say that I agree with the original post either. The Chapman trade was a terrible overpay from the beginning, but the Wilson trade looked pretty good to me for both sides (definitely addressed a key need for the Cubs), he just happened to become awful immediately upon arriving in Chicago. Should still be a solid piece next year, though
Mozeliak has stated that the Cardinals have the resources and the money to go after top tiered impact players to get the team’s downside turned around. Although History of Mozeliak’s acquisitions shows he generally speaks with a forked tongue. He’s said this same thing for going on 4 years now, only to go dumpster diving in the end. Thus the decline of the Cards!! Dee Gordon, Pardo
name one move that Mo really could have made then I will believe you
Well, Cozart’s a 32 year-old SS coming off a career year — that’s the type of signing that has ‘Mozeliak’ written all over it, even if we have DeJong controlled at a low salary.
God, I hope Mo doesn’t read this. Just a joke, Johnny, just a joke…
The Cubs, and Red Sox are in a similar situation with their farm. Both teams’ minor league system isn’t bad, but both teams have traded most of their worth-while prospects to improve their roster, like when The Red Sox acquired Sale last winter for Moncada, and Kopech, and when The Cubs got Quintana for Jimmenez, and Cease. The Cubs though, still have some young talent that could be moved like Happ, and Caratini. Schwarber’s value is not too high right now. I don’t know why people think he’s worth a lot. Without the homeruns, he doesn’t provide too much else.
Thing is most Cubs who post on here feel that and more. Happ more then likely will be some what like Schwarber. Posters on here feel they can’t move Baez or Russell because “they’re top three at their positions”. Theo knows they need a lot of pitching so goodbye to a couple of those guys or the dynasty will end before it barely got started…
I don’t think Happ will become like Schwarber. Happ has more upside. He can not only hit for power, but carry a solid average, something Schwarber hasn’t been able to show. Plus, he’s got ok speed, so that gives him some utility in the infield and outfield, and play it well. Truthfully, IMO, I’d be looking to move Russell. He’s got a very good glove, and ok power, but can’t seem to get his average above the 240 mark. Baez carries a good glove, decent power, and a 270-275 average, along with 10-12 stolen base speed.
The Cubs aren’t a dynasty caliber club because they won’t spend money on top tier free agents like the Yankees or Dodgers will.
I’d skip the top tier free agents available this year.
The most I’d do is spend on one of the top FA starters. Maybe add some depth pieces for the outfield too.
I’d bet you’d like Happ over Starlin.
Na but the Yankees appreciate giving Warren back…
Archer has 4 years of control and even cheaper than Sale and Q were. No way he gets traded for less then what either brought back at this point.
I agree. Almost every team is looking for top tier pitching and some will over pay to get one.
What an awful article from 670. Rays aren’t trading Archer, and if they do, Cubs fans won’t like the steep price they’ll have to pay. Sharky hasn’t approached his 2014 numbers in his tenure in SF, and that contract is unfavorable for a guy whose true talent lies as a 4th or 5th starter with an ERA in the low 4s. Cobb is an injury risk and betting on him returning to his 2013-2014 numbers is a long shot at best. Maddon and Theo keep bringing back their favorite coaches and players from old teams, but you have to bring back the good ones, not just whoever you’re familiar with.
Without the power, Schwarber is a 230-250 hitter, who isn’t fast, doesn’t have a good glove, and doesn’t get on base. His power output is one the only things that would make a team look at him. That and his young age. Yea, he’s only 24, and has room for improvement, but right now, Schwarber is not worth very much.
Because Schwarber missed the 2016 season, no one got to witness his “sophomore slump”, which he even begun to exhibit in the end of his 2015 season, when he went 11-80 with 7 HRs. So people just assumed he would skip the adjustment period. 2018 will be a season to watch to see if he’ll respond with adjustments of his own or if he’ll just end up as a 240 hitter that slugs 30 homers a year – which is still useful, but is disappointing with respect to the hype he had.
I think he will stay with the Cubs in 2018 and improve. Lay off the high fastballs and the OBP will rise.
Always trust a mother’s instinct. I have your son’s jersey – he’s a good kid.
He’s a better fielder than most think. He had 6 outfield assists all to home plate including one in the nlcs. That was taken away by the runner being out and blocked at home. Never touched the plate yet he was awarded a run.
But overall, Schwarber rated as a negative defender in the outfield, with -9 DRS. Plus his range isn’t all that great either, mainly because of his lack of speed.
2 errors all year.
That’s the two he could actually get to..lol
Schwarber the stay-puft-marshmallow-man of MLB…
Using errors, fielding % assists does not show very much. Stats like DRS, show more about how good a player is fielding .Anyway, he made 5 errors during the regular season.
Somebody crack the UZR open.
You cannot block the plate without possession of the ball. Runner was ruled safe by the rule. The at was dead as soon as instant replay started.
What is so hard to understand with that?
The runner never touched the plate blocking the plate should become irrevlavent at that point. There was no reason overturn it when they never touch home
That’s because the catcher blocked the plate without the ball! That’s a No No! Blame Buster Posey!
Oh my god, he’s a butcher in the field….come on man!
Look how close the throws were from. Remember him losing the ball next to the fence against the Nats? Does the worst ball from glove to hand exchange,then theirs the whole running into CF’s thing… Simply slow and dreadful…lofl
Just sign 2 of Lynn, Cobb, or Darvish and move on from the rotation. Signing one of Holland or Davis will secure the 9th inning. Then try for an affordable setup man. I’m really liking Addison Reed for the 8th inning role.
Oh the arm chair GMs in this room. Teams with money and deep farm systems and just need an arm or bat, are the ones that are going to make trades. Teams that are torn apart and rebuilding are the ones to trade with. Chicago white sox, Houston Astros and awhile back the pirates. But the owner didn’t want to spend two years ago.
Why would the cubs waste their time with Jeff Samardzija. He’s hardly an emergency spot starter.
Samardzjia is a very inconsistent pitcher if you look at it (at least his ERA has been inconsistent).
fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=3254&stat=…
Though, he does K a lot of people, and doesn’t walk too many guys either, he led the league in lowest BB/9. Plus, he has a very good WHIP. I think mainly his problem is is BABIP. It was about 312, and that could be defensive issues on The Giants part. Maybe a move where The Cubs’ defense is very good, would help him.
Ohtani is the best value starting pitcher available, the team that gets him will be one up on the rest of the field. Best case scenario for the Cubs, they land Ohtani, Archer, and Holland.
I can see the Cards making a trade for Stanton and a closer. I think their is a chance the Yanks move Betances for a young starter, and the Cards are a fit.
The Cardinals aren’t hindered by having a depleted farm, like the Cubs. The so-called dynasty barely lasted a year, and Cleveland should have won, if you ask me. The real dynasty is the Los Angeles Dodgers. Bottomless wallet to the point of being unfair to the rest of the league.
You should have waited to post that Thursday…if at all.
Just a stretch: The Cubs may be able to trade Jason Heyward to the Tigers for Jordan Zimmermann. That maybe good for both teams.
Nah, Chili’s fixing Jason. I can feel it.
Chili is fixing Jason chili dogs that’s it.. Face fact Heyward has regressed to a state of normalcy. All glove & baserunning and no bat.
Good luck with that
Kinda sucks for both teams TBH. Heyward’s useful still, but on a much larger contract, which makes him much more valuable to the team currently in contention than the rebuilding one. Zimmermann sucks, so I doubt the Cubs would have any interest really (even if they do need back-end staters), and I can’t see why Detroit would consider adding a ton of payroll to pick up a slightly more useful player when they’re fully committed to rebuilding
Closers like Holland or Davis would be great to have, but I don’t think Mo will want to go into a huge bidding war for them
The fact that people think the Cubs can low ball a deal for Archer is comical.
How much do you think a guy with a 4.00+ ERA the last two years is worth? Archer’s been a #3 quality starter at best the last 2 years. On the Cubs rotation he’d be a #4 if not 5 with an ERA that high. Also, I don’t care what anyone says…… give me a solid/very good everyday player who plays 150+ games; over just a good starting pitcher who plays 30-33 games – any day.
So while you say the Cubs can’t low ball a deal, I don’t want to see them “high ball” a deal either…… again, for a guy with a 4+ ERA the last 2 years. The names tossed out in this piece are underwhelming IMO. Throw in the fact of how insanely injury prone young pitchers are these days….. I’d stay as far away as possible from Archer. Finally…… Theo and Co RARELY overpay in trades. Especially if those trades happen in the offseason.
If they are completely unwilling to re-sign Arrieta, then why no just go out and get both Cobb and Lynn? With Lackey, Arrieta, and Montero off the books that alone frees up like $45M in payroll from 2017 heading into 2018. Cobb and Lynn WILL NOT cost you $45M combined per year……. if they do, baseball execs valuation process is royally f***ed up. Also. The Cubs being “unable” to sign anyone is BS. Is there any other organization that even compares to the amount of money the Cubs have oozing out of their ears right now? And this is still a couple of years before they reportedly plan to create their own TV network. When that happens price should be ABSOLUTELY no obstacle.
Happ is not getting traded. It’s gonna be either Schwarber, Baez, or Russell. Cubs will sign Lynn I think also as he would be a great Lackey replacement with a better ERA and about 6 years younger
Management loves Kyle. He isn’t going to be traded, especially after the second half he had. His numbers were as good or better, in almost every category, than his first year when everyone acted like he was Babe Ruth.
Even if you wanted to trade him, you can never get in return equal value to what he brings/means to CHicago.
For all the reasons, some people want to trade, is exactly why you shouldn’t. You would be selling relatively low, due to the first half.slump.
You do trade a guy who should hit.250-.260 with a .340 OBP and 35 Homers for mediocre pitching.
Baez needs to go.
He has regressed, again. He looked lost in the playoffs, again. People are finally seeng he is not the pod baby of Snadberg and Biggio Offensively or defensively.
He is still good on defense, just not the second coming. He has more value because he can play multiple spots, although he is far better suited for second base.
You can send him to a team that will slot him in the 4 or 5 hole and let him swing away, like Merril in Signs.
Happ is already better offensively and almost as good on defense.
Persoanlly, Archer does not impress me. Look at his numbers the last two years. He looks like a mediocre three to decent 4 guy. You do give up multi players for that.
The only thing he has going is he is cheap, relatively speaking.
I’d rather make a tun at Lynn and CObb. They both have things that concern me, but would have to regress a decent chunk to do what Archer has the last two years. and we give up no players.
I would be fine with letting Monty start and getting reliever, as well.