10:42pm: The meeting should not be read as an indication that a deal is about to go down, MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro cautions on Twitter. Rather, he says, “a trade is not considered imminent” and the Marlins “remain engaged with other clubs” regarding Stanton.
8:42pm: The Giants have sent executives to meet with representatives of star Marlins outfielder Giancarlo Stanton, according to Craig Mish of Sirius XM (Twitter links). It is not clear whether the meeting, which is said to be taking place in Los Angeles, will also include Stanton himself. Top organizational figures are on hand for the Giants, though,with president of baseball operations Brian Sabean, GM Bobby Evans, and skipper Bruce Bochy all trekking south.
Obviously, such a sit-down could only occur if the Marlins have authorized the discussion. In all likelihood, it seems, permission would only be given if the teams believed they could potentially finalize a deal involving Stanton, whose approval would be needed for any swap given his full no-trade rights.
Earlier today, Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch discussed the parameters of possible interactions between Stanton and his pursuers. Of course, he was addressing the point in reference to the Cardinals’ efforts to land the star performer, and it’s not clear at this point whether the St. Louis organization will be afforded such an opportunity.
Throughout the offseason, rumors have surrounded the possibility of the Marlins dealing Stanton — their biggest star, and also the league’s highest-paid player. The west coast native is believed to prefer to play close to his Los Angeles home, but the hometown Dodgers have only operated at the fringes of the market thus far.
Some have suggested of late that the situation — which has seemingly backed into something of a stalemate since the end of the GM Meetings — could end up playing out more slowly. Both Stanton and the Marlins, perhaps, would prefer to see the Dodgers enter the fray. Or, perhaps, other organizations could join the Giants and Cardinals, the clear top two pursuers to this point.
There has been some discussion of possible trade scenarios between the teams, but on the whole it is not clear just what kind of package could be contemplated if the San Francisco brass can convince Stanton to join on. MLB.com’s Jon Morosi discussed a potential return for Stanton in an article earlier today, but also made clear that MLB.com had not confirmed that any of the rumored players had actually been formally offered or asked for. And others — such as Bob Nightengale of USA Today, on Twitter — have cast doubt on the idea that the true potential trade package has yet been stated publicly. There is, however, indication from some quarters that the Giants are willing to take on the bulk or even all of Stanton’s contract, as Jon Heyman of Fan Rag tweets.
With respect to the talks between Stanton’s representatives and his would-be new employers, it’s possible to imagine any number of topics being discussed. No doubt Stanton will be interested to learn more about the organization’s plans to return to contention after a disastrous 2017 campaign. As Nightengale notes in another tweet, though, it’s also possible there could be some contractual negotiations. Because Stanton would stand to take a hit to his bottom line by playing half his games in California, his representatives might conceivably request some kind of compensation.
When will this soap opera end?
This one’s already in reruns.
My Guess?……..As soon as The Dodgers Say “We’re out”…….and Not Until…..
It doesn’t behoove the Dodgers to say that even if they are out (which they are). They have no problem seeing the Giants get strung along.
Some people say it’s a done deal. If it was a done deal Stanton would be sitting down in this meeting also. But they’re probably going to hear tonight is that he is waiting on the Dodgers
Right? Someone has to draw a line in the sand and pick a date where all final offers are due.
I don’t think Miami would just simply allow several teams to sit down with Stanton’s agents, I think it’s obvious Miami favors San Francisco’s offer, and Bobby Evans is now sitting down with Stanton to work out a scenario in which he doesn’t veto the trade.
Agreed. Permission means there’s ‘something’ there. Giants are probably interested in assurances and access to resign/negotiate before pulling any deal.
SF has almost nothing to offer. This reeks of the Marlins trying to create urgency for other teams – likely for LA who has the pieces, the money, and might not want to see Stanton go to their biggest rival.
I thought this too but I think the reported offer would have been enough if they were worried. If you are or were a Dodgers exec, are you scared of the Giants? Stanton or not?
Right now for me that answer is no. It makes a few games a season more difficult and might be the difference in 96 and 100 wins for the Dodgers, but does Stanton make the Giants a 90 win team? No. Not even close. He may not make them an 80 win team on his own.
No Stanton does not make them a 80-90 win team but dont forget MadBum, Will Smith, & Melancon were out pretty much all year and Cueto for about 1/2 the year. Those 3 plus Stanton would put them in the wild card race for sure and I could see an 85 win team sneaking into the playoffs… and as we know that’s all they need.
SF can offer taking 295 million off a teams payroll. Too many fans don’t think of this,
Bank On It
Lol and cardinals come in 2nd as always….next targets should be Donaldson or Ozuna
Why should they target Donaldson? He’s gone after 2018 and they’d still have a lot of holes to fill.
The Jays are not moving Donaldson though.
Cardinals should look into Longoria. The Rays may move him if the go full rebuild. Worth a look
Another dolt does not believe in the Cardinal Way…. sad
I just still don’t buy the Giants as Stanton favorites. I honestly think they’d go with Braun after losing on Stanton
I’d say McCutchen instead, being that he’s probably less expensive.
….and more available…….Brewers don’t seem to be pushing him.
yeah, Stanton, go where HRs die… I know he’s got crazy power, but I don’t see that park helping him keep up his HR numbers
The NL West as a whole – less Denver and Phoenix – are extremely pitcher-friendly parks. So it’s not just San Francisco, but you’re right.
Check out Stanton’s OPS vs each of the NL West Teams. It’s sick. Every team is over 1.000…(except the Dodgers, ironically)……2 are over 1.600……1 is over 2.000
Petco Park he’s at 1.500 OPS
AT&T……..he’s at 1.744 (6-14, w/2 doubles and 3 HR’s)
No wonder they are chasing him so hard
Sample size is a thing.
Um, did you happen to watch the HR Derby in Petco? He did a pretty good job of scoreboard demolition with a batted baseball.
Same could be said for Judge in Yankee stadium, but we saw what he did.
Besides, he’s getting paid, so it’s not like he’s out to prove anything.
? Yankee Stadium is arguably the most hitter friendly stadium outside Denver and Phoenix, maybe Camden Yards ahead of them.
399′ to left center isn’t short. Only down the lines is it short, but that exists at every park.
You mean the Yankee Stadium where the second baseman can rob a HR?
True story, Phil Rizzuto once called a deep shot as a potential HR, only to be caught by Jeter. You’re not far off…
Yes, because Marlins park was a hitters park right
Stanton’s OPS at Marlin’s Park in 2017 was 1.104
AT&T plays almost exactly like Marlins Park. They showed a plot of Stanton’s HRs on MLB Network yesterday and all of them in Marlins Park would have been a home run in AT&T. He will be playing 18 games in the best hitter’s parks in baseball in Colorado and Arizona instead of 4.
You realize he plays in Miami currently right? If home runs die in San Francisco then Miami is the zombie capitol.
Stanton’s OPS at AT&T in 2017 was 1.744….
His OPS at Petco was 1.500
Dodgers Stadium .824
He sucked at Coors THIS year, but typically he’s Over 1.100
You do realize that’s three games right
Its 3-4 games against each of those teams at their parks each season.
Now, look at career numbers there.
27 games at AT&T – 1.048 OPS
23 games at Chase – .934
23 games at Coors – 1.089
23 games at Dodgers – 1.074
19 games at Petco – 1.190
115 games in NL West Parks – 1.072 OPS
Playing 81 home games and 17-18 road games in the NL West will be no problem for Stanton.
Actually, all of Stanton’s 59 HRs were plotted on AT&T’s footprint. and only 1 would not have been a HR. Stanton is a RHH which is much better in in that park than it is for lefties. I don’t think Stanton needs to be worried about being AT&T’ed. After all, he’s not exactly Adam Dunn.
On MLB Network yesterday they said all of his HR in Marlins Park would have been HR in AT&T.
Looked up some stats, and some guy named Barry hit 73 home runs in a single season as a Giant, so unless there was something else causing a player to hit that many home runs in a season, I don’t see why Mr. Stanton can’t do the same.
PEDs or not, Barry is a total outlier.
AT&T Park is a HR killer for left-handed hitters, but not nearly as bad for righties. Stanton will not have a problem unless he starts hitting opposite field all the time.
If Stanton is most concerned with not playing for a rebuilding team, I just don’t see why he would approve a trade to SF. SF would need a lot of players to break the right way for multiple years to justify trade approval. Things in SF could go very south super quickly with an aging roster, full payroll, and zero farm system.
I Agree^^^^…..completely. Stanton may also.
“Just because The Marlins have given permission to the Giants Reps to talk with Stanton’s reps………doesn’t mean there’s a deal that Stanton will approve”
It’s the 1st time negotiations have gone this far. That’s Good News, in general. It probably means that “if Stanton rejects the Deal”…..Team #2 is up next.
It also leads me to believe that the Dodgers are NOT acting like they are trying to acquire him…..(at this point)
Agreed really don’t get this one for anyone involved.
I get it from the Marlins. If you have a team that has dug in (ie the Cardinals) and won’t budge, what better motivation than to let their fan base know a different team is getting to talk to him.
The only way I can see him approving is the giants are the closest to working out a trade.theres other teams like the cardinals. But with the rumor that if the Marlins don’t trade him, that they’ll trade other big contracts, then Stanton may see this as his best shot to move. Idk though. Still think if this ends up being a done deal, it would be bad for the giants in the future with all their big contracts
No, he’s most concerned with playing in LA or close to there.
Everyone keeps saying aging roster but I don’t see where you get that, belt, Crawford, Posey,etc are mid career, span, pence who are the real aging pieces are out next year. You can argue that there are too many commitments or that the FO office needs to change direction, or that the farm needs stocking but aging roster isn’t an issue, and we have yet to see if someone like belt or samardzija gets moved to clear space and payroll
Then you aren’t looking. Look at the contracts on the books and the age of the players that signed them. SF has an aging roster, with next to nothing in the pipeline to replace them. Add that to the salaries already owed, and they have very little room to improve.
Love jeter as a Yankee. But if he accepts a offer of joe Panik, Tyler beede and Chris Shaw. Then that’s a pretty bad return for him. Panik is good, beede has horrible numbers for minor leagues. Shaw is good though.
I’d be disappointed as a marlins fans if that’s all the team gets back.
Jeter could do no wrong as a player… he hasn’t done a single thing right as an executive. Not a single thing.
You’re stupid to think that releasing advisors to the gm is a bad move. He’s hasn’t gotten a chance and you’re critiquing him like the dolt you are
It’s not that he released them, it’s *how* he released them. Perception is crucial for a new ownership group, and the initial perception for him as an exec isn’t pretty.
What do you want them to get with that contract. I think that’s pretty fair, all things considered
Can people stop acting like Stanton’s contract is so bad. Machado and harper will easily get more money then him next year. If Stanton was a FA right now, he’s probably get the same contract
Machado and Harper won’t come with 3-4 organizational pieces attached.
It’s not that teams are afraid of spending money on great talent. But giving up a large contract AND cheap, young talent is a serious commitment.
Right, but throw in all the valuable pieces you additionally have to give up – especially for a club low on young, valuable assets – it’s just not playing your cards right.
I don’t think it’s an awful contract. It is franchise altering though and has the very real potential of being franchise crippling.
It’s not a bad contract but it is also not the type of contract you trade valuable prospects for.
Teams generally only value contracts that are bargains, or contracts that are almost over. Stanton is neither of those, so his value is definitely hurt by his contract.
I completely agree that he likely gets the same contract. The exact same contract.
No excess value = no prospect in exchange. If the Marlins want a good return, gotta eat some $$$.
My only problem with Stantons contract is the injury risk. Before last season he hadnt played in 150 games or more since 2011 and only cleared 125 3 times in his career. He doesn’t have a recurring injury but he seems to be one of those guys that the freak injury bug hits nearly every season. Harper is kind of in the same boat for me but if all you’re giving up is money for him it’s a little easier to swallow. And Harper has been more consistently productive and has more tools than Stanton.
A lot of teams would be willing to take on that deal. As many other people have pointed out though, it’s quite a bit to pay that and give up prospects. And in the case of the Giants, I’d argue it is a lot as this is a team that should be rebuilding and reeling in cheap, young and controllable talent, not adding high priced veterans.
Which is why Miami isn’t also going to get a haul in prospects. Why would I give up the prize on the farm for the right to pay fair market value on a player when I could just go to the FA pool and pay fair market value?
Because no one like him is available right now and rarely is.
If the trade happens and the players rumored are the players traded, it would be a good return. Especially if san Francisco takes on the whole contract
It’s not about the return. How many times do the Marlins have to say this is about reducing the payroll. His contract has been deemed to be market value. It has little or no surplus value. If the Giants take all of that contract, like, the Marlins want, they are lucky to get as good a return as that of Panik, Beede and Shaw.
Really? Barry Bonds says hello. AT&T Park didn’t effect Bonds’ home runs negatively. Stanton is a beast like Bonds (just without the steroids) that can hit home runs in any place.
This. Anybody see the Marlins visit to AT&T last year?
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t it easier to hit HRs in that park as a left handed hitter?
It’s easier for right handed hitters, unless they’re somehow geared for opposite field power. I can’t recall an approximate number, but there haven’t been many right-handed opposite-field dingers in the park’s nearly two decades
Stanton hit a HR over the tall right field wall in AT&T last year.. i was there. Blew my mind on a cold SF night.
If that was July 7th, 2017………In His next at bat he hit one that “almost cleared it again”. it hit right at the top of the lettering at the top of the wall, and bounced back in for a double.
I think it treats Lefties More Harshly than Righties. That deep triangle is in RC field…………..
….and on July 7, 2017…. Stanton hit a towering HR to RF, then doubled as he hit a ball off of the upper part of the RF wall……right at the top of the lettering. Here’s the clip….
Stanton doubled off the right-field wall in the fourth and later joked that it “should have been a homer,” too. The ball had enough power but not enough launch to clear the 24-foot barrier.
2 Days later, he hit 2 HR’s in a game there.
It’s harder for a left-handed hitter in AT&T. Its 421 ft to RCF.
It’s much, much harder for LHHs than righties at AT&T. It’s one of the main reasons why Brandon Belt is so unappreciated.
9 HR in 27 games in his career there.
I think he’ll be just fine hitting at AT&T.
The Giants combination of lots of money and few prospects will compel them to make the offer that takes the most money off the Marlins hands, which is what they really want.
Seems like the fit.
St. Louis has money, has prospects, and needs a thumper. They’re a better fit.
Just because they probably CAN beat anything the Giants offered, doesn’t mean they SHOULD. They could use the same money to make multiple improvements without giving prospects, or use the same prospects in trades without spending the money. If the Giants offer is already more than the Cards think he’s worth, then bow out.
I think the Cards have better prospects, but want the Marlins to “Kick-in More Money”…….If the Cards gave the Marlins …..Alcantara, Hicks, and Sierra…….AND they would take on $260 Million…….I bet they’d be the ones talking to Stanton’s Agents Right Now. They are behind……..because they won’t take on the money.
Not in Stanton’s mind they are.
The Cards have better prospects, but less money. Lots of teams need a thumper. I just can’t see them taking on as much salary as the Giants are willing to, and that’s the primary goal of the Marlins.
The Cardinals have as much money as any team in MLB ! Their 1 billion dollar tv deal kicks in this year. Plus they are always in the top 5 in attendance every year. They have plenty of money!
Local bay area sports networks were reporting that the Giants were willing to eat the entire contract.
If he goes to SF they will leapfrog the Dodgers in payroll
according to mlb payroll tracker yes. Might not be in the end of the offseason but they would pass them.
Stanton alone? or Stanton, a CF and third baseman? Stanton alone would not put them over.
Are you looking at the numbers or just basing it off assumptions? You do realize 40 million just dropped off the dodgers payroll the minute free agency began
you are right. stand corrected. but agree it won’t necessarily end up that way. I would guess they still grab darvish or arrietta. going to cost if they want to keep morrow too. but yes. trade goes through right this second, they are above.wpuldnt surprise me to see the Marlin’s take back span though.
I hope if it does go through the giants can unload Pence and/or Span rather than just having the Marlins eat some of the contract. It will help with the luxury tax burden, and balance out 1 year of the contract.
I will miss Panic though. Love players with low strikeout rates.
Gotta be a offer out there or there’s no way they agree to let the Giants meet with him and or his people. As a Dodgers fan I hope he says no to any deal to the Giants and as much as ya Dodgers fans don’t like the Cardinals we definitely don’t like the Giants more so I’d rather see him go to the Cardinals if I have to chose one of the two but I’d really rather him go to a AL team lol. I know he’s from LA and wants to play for the team he grew up loving but if the Dodgers don’t get him maybe he can go to a team near by like the Angels? Are they even interested? Imagine Trout, Upton abs Stanton…that would be a scary middle of the order lineup.
After the Pujols contract, and after signing Calhoun to a relatively cheap extension, there’s no way the Halos are going to acquire Stanton. Especially with their farm system.
I agree and Angels have a similar outlook in the AL West as the Giants in the NL West. Missing some rotation pieces. Depleted farm. Questionable contracts on the books. Looking up at 2 more well rounded teams in Houston and Seattle.
It’s a fun idea to think about that middle of the order, but there are too many other holes to slot 30 mil a year in for Stanton.
If I was a Dodgers fan I’d hope he takes the deal to San Fran. I don’t think people understand but with Bumgarner Stanton Cueto Posey Samardzija Belt Pence on the books and no farm system the Giants are backing themselves into a corner and are no threat to your Dodgers. They are just prolonging their inevitable rebuild time in my opinion.
This will help the Dodgers more than the Giants in the long and short term.
The Giants haven’t had a superstar outfielder since Barry Bonds and if they get Stanton it will help energize the team and the fan base like when Barry Bonds played
Are you kidding me about the fan base being energized? They had one down year.
It’s not the down year. It’s the future outlook.
It just baffles me that the future outlook for them is maybe a wildcard team. He wants to go to a winning team. So how would this work when the marlins will get their top prospects. Which they don’t have many more after that.
The giants just don’t know when to stop shooting themselves in the foot with their big deals. They have no farm and few young players. Yet they’re going to trade what little they have left. Even with Stanton, I don’t see how they’re going to compete
When Bryce Harper and Manny Machado are up as FA next offseason Stanton’s contract might not look so bad. I don’t like that they would not get Dee Gordon in return tho.
If the Giants get Stanton I’m going to be physically ill.
No worries. SF is in control of the whole deal. Why wouldn’t they pay a player his market value at the peak of his value?
Sorry oebrroo……..but Stanton Holds “All The Cards” in this situation.
Giants trade Pence and Belt to Yankees for Ellsbury and Bird. High contract for high contract but you get a young first baseman and a better center fielder than any of their current out fielders.
Why not Ellsbury for Pence straight up? Maybe add a prospect if you don’t think it’s fair.. why does Bird and Belt need to be included?
Yankees want a first baseman bad and both Belt and Ellsbury are owed almost the same amount of money along with years. You could almost do them straight up 1 for 1
Bird is their first baseman.
No. Ellsbury has what 3 or 4 years left? Pence’s contract is up after this year. Not happening
No way the Giants trade Pence for Ellsbury. Pence is off the books after 2018. Ellsbury’s contract goes 3 more years. Belt is a much more productive hitter than Ellsbury has been over the past 3 seasons.
The only trade that makes sense is Belt for Bird.
I’m telling people this. He goes to the Rays.
Bwahahahahahaha…..Now THAT’s Funny, Ryan………;-)
He goes to the Rays what?…. Spring Training facilities? Tupperware parties?
I mean it has just as much credence as any of the other speculation on here. I genuinely do believe that when Stanton is traded, it will be to some dark horse team that has never (or very rarely) been mentioned as a suitor.
Always that mystery team that seems to come out of nowhere at the last minute . I actually don’t see the Rays doing this deal because of the payroll ramifications , but they have all the good young cheap pitching prospects that the Marlins are wanting in this trade.
Rather shed at least 250mil off the books than get good prospects and shed about 150-180 tops.Stanton to the Giants make perfect sense. They were the team with the least power in all of baseball and they have the resources and in need of a true RF with power.Hunter pence is old. Same kinda sense as arizona diambondbacks resigning JD even if hes overpriced but still better player than Yasmany thomas
2 reasons this makes no sense. First Stanton wants to go to a contender. This is not the Sox with the Killer B’s or the Yankees with the Judge, Severino and Sanchez or the Indians with a killer rotation and bullpen. This is a team that nearly lost 100 games last year, has multiple bad contracts on the books already, had a superstar who has been injured at times and quickly passing through his prime in Posey. I love the Giants. The Red Sox and Giants did a lot of joint marketing in recent years. They had an amazing run starting with the days of Lincecum. But this is not that team. This is Madison Bumgarner having to win his own games with his bat and a few quickly aging solid pieces that still have some value.
Now is time to sell for the Giants with all the competition in that division. This will go down as the move that costs multiple executives their job in a few years. And the return for the Marlins is not great either. Hard to say this makes any sense.
The package for Stanton will be much more than what has been rumored-Panik and SF 1-3-6th-12th prospects
Only a matter of time.
Sounds like a deal is in place… very disappointing return if it goes through being Beede, Panik and Shaw only.
It’s a pretty amazing return if you factor in the $250M+ going the other direction.
Not for a reigning MVP. If I were the Marlins, I’d push for Arroyo or Heliot Ramos instead of Shaw. Would make the deal better for Miami, considering they leave 250 mil for the Giants to cover.
I wouldn’t be trading Stanton at all
I wouldn’t either but it seems inevitable.
Obviously, but at that point, you don’t make a garbage trade. If nobody is offering anything that makes any sense, keep Yelich, Realmuto, and get rid of everyone else, which makes the most sense anyway
And he shouldn’t want to go there anyway. They’re pretty much an older version of us plus Bumgarner to our non-fernandez situation.
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I bet Monopoly money that Stanton still says no
San Francisco had a horrible year, but that team can definitely compete still. Anyone who says but they suck too only go by records. Look at how Boston went from worst to first a few times with basically the same roster.
Not just looking at record, looking at payroll, age of core players and farm system, and record tells you Giants will suck with or without stanton
They still have a dam good rotation. I’m not a giants fan but they are a hell of a lot better off than the Marlins.
If they acquire Stanton, where do they finish in the NL west. Definitely behind LA and AZ. Best case they maybe edge Rockies for 3rd
12 months ago AZ was talked about much like the Giants are now. No one really expected them to be so good in ‘17.
AZ won 69 games in 2016 and didn’t make any franchise altering moves last off-season.
SF has as many or more talented players on their roster now than AZ did s year ago. All SF needs is their players to play up to their talents and they have a good shot at winning 90+ games next year.
Most people did expect the D-Backs to be good in 2016, but the wheels fell off.
Most people expected the Giants to earn a w WC spot in 2017, but the wheels fell off, as well. Everyone on the roster got injured or underperformed with the exception of Buster Posey. The big question is can some of the core players bounce back, or are their 2017 performances the new normal? The optimist / pessimist arguments are pretty closely balanced IMO.
Players with no more upside, 2017 is what you get:
Slater and Duggar are going to have a positive impact in the OF in 2018. Maybe one of Parker or Williamson will finally provide something if they don’t keep getting injured, but the window is closing fast for both of them.
No idea who plays 3B. Arroyo won’t be ready, I don’t expect much from Ryder Jones, and a full-on Sandoval renaissance is far too much to expect.
They had the best record in baseball at the 2016 All-Star break, so they didn’t suck that bad a year and a half ago.
Doesn’t it seem a bit odd the meeting is in LA. Hmmmm. What is Stanton doing in LA house shopping. LOL.
It says that the meeting is with “His Agents”………and that he “Might Be There”……(journalism 101….hype the situation)
Maybe visiting family in the off-season?
I imagine a guy who makes 30 mil a year has a house in LA as well as Miami
Right? A nice three-bedroom with a Hollywood Hills view for just one tenth of one year’s salary!!
What is Stanton doing in LA? Uh…he lives there.
Probably getting fitted for his uniform. Ha.
The Giants can afford it and although, yes, they are a flawed team and have some long term roster issues… they obviously established themselves as an overall championship caliber organization. A full rebuild for the Giants would look a hell of a lot different than a Marlins rebuild.
I really hope he doesn’t get traded for the garbage reported offer, especially to a team that is essentially the older version of the Marlins plus bumgarner to our non-fernandez situation, also with a bad farm system. I like the giants as a franchise. Nothing against that. I think this offer is trash
how much do you think they could get without paying any money?
I think they can get more than an average 2nd baseman, with 3 years of control entering arb, a potential backend rotation/bullpen no command having arm coming off an injury, and a 24 year old 1b prospect
and the other team take $295 million dollars off your hands? you drive a hard bargain.
It’s 77 million…but even if it was 295 million, it wouldn’t be a bad contract for Giancarlo Stanton, considering all the variables.
Stanton to the dodgers for puig, urias, kazmir or mcarthy, trevor oaks and marlins eat 70 mill.
Don Mattingly and Puig reunion? Ha no.
A 1 year rental, a seriously hurt pitcher, an overpaid hurt pitcher, and an overpaid pitcher…..and Who???……PLUS $40 Million??????
Not a chance
There is so much wrong with that I don’t know where to begin.
1. They’re not taking Puig or either of Kazmir or McCarthy. Makes zero sense
2. Definitely not giving them $70 to do that. They will find better deals elsewhere
3. $70M covers Stanton’s salary for the next 3 years. They don’t need to add money to deal him.
I’m just going to stop there.
The whole point of them trading Stanton is to get his contract off the books as part of reducing their payroll to $90m. They aren’t eating $70m for anyone.
Giants are doing what they can to either drive the Dodgers out or drive their cost up. The later is a win for the Marlins as well.
The last place giants aren’t going to drive the national league champion dodgers anywhere, except as a chauffeur. Dodgers aren’t going to overpay regardless of what the gints do. If anyone “panics” and overpays, it’s the giants..
National league champion dodgers…
Feeling good about that, hmmm?
Giants don’t have much of a farm. They could really put together a package of solid but not great near MLB ready talent. The 2 young guys Arroyo and the 1st/3rd basemen (don’t remember his name) and the outfielder they drafted out of Vandy in the 2nd last year. But other then those 3 they’d have to go off the major league roster which if u r adding Stanton u really don’t wanna do
I thought the Giants farm is barren?
Their bank account isn’t.
well done. very good comment
No, it;s not barren. It’s not great, but how bad it is has been exaggerated. Their problem is a lack of highly regarded prospects, but they do have a number of average prospects that could be productive MLB players. What’s overrated is the value of those highly regarded prospects. A number of productive players that contributed to the Giants WS titles were never top 100 prospects; Crawford, Sandoval, Duffy, and few others I can’t remember.
Stanton not going anywhere until Dodgers officially say, “We’re out”.
You stole my comment!…….lol
I was #3……exactly what I said…….hehehe
I thought Stanton wanted to play for a contending team? Giants are buried beneath the Dodgers, D’backs and Rockies, with an aging team, weak minor league system, and the need to rebuild themselves. They are not one player removed from contention.
I feel the same way. Add Stanton and I still think the Dodgers and Diamondbacks are clearly more complete teams. Then you have a Rockies team that should win 81+ games next season and a Giants team that lost almost 100 and has no farm system to fall back on when it bottoms out. adding a 10 year deal right now makes no sense unless some how Stanton agrees to promise to opt out of the back end of the deal or something. The bottom has already come off this ship and will for some time in 2-3 years.
This deal makes no sense whatsoever in my mind for Stanton or the Giants.
They are clearly trying to go for one more run before everyone is way too old. The core is all about 30. Guys in their 30s have good season all the time. Not saying hoping they all bounce back is a good idea, but I think the front office feel they owe it to the team and the fans to try and win now with Posey/Bum/Crawford etc before it is absolutely essential to rebuild.
They owe nothing to anybody. Feeling that they owe something to somebody else is what got the Giants in this situation to begin with.
This is the same argument the Tigers made for the last few years with their owner aging fast and trying to sneak in a win with a few good pieces around. When it’s not there, the good front offices notice and adjust.
These moves never work out well. It cost DD his job in Detroit. It will almost definitely be a similar outcome for the front office in SF.
I honestly wish it was different. I happen to like the Giants.
I find this to be the biggest development yet.
They can’t speak to his reps without the Marlins permission. I believe we are finally getting closer to a deal getting done.
I bet early next week or late this weekend it goes through, Stanton to the Giants.
“Only If Stanton Says YES”……..He didn’t “arrange this meeting”……the Marlins Did
Stanton can certainly nix a deal. But I wouldn’t count on him saying no here.
I’m annoyed because the Giants aren’t the right team to land him. Their roster and contracts and farm make them a bad landing spot. The Cardinals are the ideal spot.
St. Louis is ideal spot but he Stanton report out their is that he prefer to play on west coast and last time I check St. Louis isn’t on the west Coast…
So ever Cardinals Fans who post on here should get it out their head that Stanton want to play for your team when he really doesn’t want to..
How about we let Stanton decide what team he’s going to!
Most likely, the Giants know if he’d approve a trade. They aren’t going to waste their time and be strung along only to find he never wanted to go to San Francisco.
My guess is this meeting is to work some kinks out, especially for tax purposes in his contract. I’d imagine a deal is very close to being done.
And the only Info the Giants will get is whether or not he would approve a trade there. The fact remains that Stanton may wait until ALL THE OFFERS ARE IN to decide where he wants to go. If there was a Guaranteed Approval……the Deal would already be done.
Stanton probably has a dozen teams that he would say yes to, if they were “the only option”. But I think we all know that he’s waiting on the Dodgers to commit “one way or the other”.
I would imagine every team knows whether or not Stanton would approve a trade to them.
Again, I can’t fathom the Giants sending THREE representatives to LA to meet with Stanton’s reps, a meeting they could just as easily have over the phone, just to gauge if he’s interested. That sounds like an inglorious waste of time for everyone involved. I would bet almost anything that they know Stanton would approve a trade to the Giants.
The Giants aren’t making this trip for preliminary rounds. The Marlins have explicitly stated they won’t involve Stanton unless a deal is close. Unless the Dodgers have a meeting soon, or unless the Giants & Marlins can’t fully agree on a deal, I don’t think Stanton would be wise to wait on LA.
This may be the only time this offseason that when Stanton finally signs fans of EVERY team will celebrate. Please….just…..sign…..a…….contract!
Stanton is already signed to a contract. He is not a free agent. This is a trade that he needs to approve
He did sign a contract. Like 3 years ago.
Not sure I really understand the Giants pursuit… I mean I get the need for more offense but this is not a team that is close to contending with the Dodgers. They could add Stanton and sign Harper next year and still have some gaping holes in the rotation and secondary positions. But especially if the diamonbacks find a way to bring back jd and the improved Rockies, this is a division that in my opinion is the Dodgers and then a free for all wild card race even if the Giants get Stanton.
If I were in San Francisco, I’d be trying to sell off some pieces and think about the future. This would be a great off season to shop a Bumgarner. I’d hold onto Posey to save face with the fans but the recent models of the Cubs and Yankees rebuilds seem to be the way to go, not continuing to overextend an overextended payroll with a few questionable contracts already on the books and an already depleted and downright bad farm system.
Am i missing something?
I wouldn’t count on the D’backs being anywhere near as good next year. In 2017 a lot went right for them, just as a lot went wrong for the Giants in 2017. Their pitching staff was remarkably healthy. I doubt Greinke, at age 34, has as good a year in 2018 as he did this year They need a closer, as I doubt they go with 41 year old Rodney again. There’s no way the D’backs will be able to re-sign JDM, and without him they’re basically the same team that lot 93 games in 2016. Plus they’re stuck with that Yasmany Tomas contract, and the Greinke contract is going to be a huge limiting factor on their future ability to sign FAs.
They just acquired Boxberger who is very good when healthy. The Dbacks have room in their payroll to add another $25 million in 2018. It’s in 2019 and beyond where they have problems. They need to think about resigning Goldschmidt before his deal is up after 2019. After 2018 they have 6 players that will be FA.
Yeah, Boxberger is a nice acquisition, but as you say “when healthy”. There is a question of if he can be depended on to be available. They have 14 guys who are arb-eligible They still need a closer, as well as other holes to fill. They already project to the highest payroll in franchise history without adding any money to the budget. So I’m not sure they have as much as $25m to spend, but if they do it’s not going to address their needs and bring back JDM. I’m on record that both the D’backs and Rockies regress next season. If the Giants do get Stanton, 2nd place and a WC are reasonable expectations.
I hope you’re right for Giants fans sake. But its hard to imagine the Giants being in the Wild Card race even with Stanton. You have the Nationals, Cubs, Cardinals, Dodgers and Brewers that all won at least 83 games. Throw in one of the two of the Diamondbacks and Rockies (because its unlikely both will magically regress below 83 wins in 2018) and the Giants have to win at least 83 to even be considered. Likely more as there are 7 teams in this outcome vying for 5 wild card spots. So more likely 85 wins would be the Giants magic number.
Does Stanton alone add 19 wins? Say the current players perform better and they are good for 73-74 wins without him. Does Stanton add 10 wins? WAR is a tough stat to put much merit on in terms of actual additional wins, as Stanton would alter the outlook of the entire lineup. But even with that said, 10 wins is a lot of wins. Cueto would have to have a serious bounceback year, Posey’s power output would have to jump back up by about 5-7 homers. Pence has to find a way to get his OPS back up by nearly 100 points. Samardzija has to be better than the 9-12 4.40 era that’s projected for him by baseball reference.
I mean, I like the optimism as my fan base is all nay sayers and doomsday enthusiasts, but its pretty hard to argue 2 reasonable outcomes versus the amount of uncertainty that exists for this Giants squad. Its not impossible. But far less probable than both the Rockies and DBacks both regressing by 5-10 wins.
posey will win the next three batting titles with Stanton protecting him. He hit .320 this year getting pitched around very often.
I think the Giants would be better off going after Arrieta, two top relievers, and trading for a McCutcheon, instead of trading 2 of their 3 top prospects & a decent second baseman to take on $295 million of payroll.
If you are talking about them getting Gordon in the deal then it’s $295 million for Stanton + $38.9 million for Gordon’s contract.
The only reason the Giants would be getting off for so little in prospects is that they are willing to take on all of Stanton’s contract. Just because they are 2 of the Giants top 10 prospects doesn’t mean they are good prospects. Neither is in the top 100.
by the same token, just because they aren’t in the top 100 doesn’t mean they’re bad
Couldn’t disagree more. Arrieta has a number of red flags, will be expensive, will want a contract longer than anyone should sign him to, and is a much bigger gamble than Stanton. Cutch is neither a center-fielder, nor the offensive force that Stanton is, and will be a FA at the end of 2018. Stanton is an MVP. If you can get an MVP in his prime, for 2 prospects and a good 2nd baseman you get him.
Frisaro is full of it. Brian Sabean, GM Bobby Evans, and Bruce Bochy are all coming to the meeting and KLAC said that Stanton and his agents, plural, will be at the meeting. So 2 members of Stanton’s representation, Stanton, and the President, GM, and Manager of the Giants are meeting because nothing is imminent. Sure and I have some beach front property I would like to sell you on the Blue Ridge Parkway.
Exactly. If nothing was imminent, the Giants would have just made a phone call.
No one is wasting their time if it’s not close.
You know what’s actually going on here is that the Marlins are probably trying to milk the Cardinals/Dodgers into offering bigger packages, with more money. The Giants don’t have much in the ways of prospects or money. Not exactly ideal, however, they are an ideal part in a bidding war.
I feel like if the Marlins were lying about the Giants’ offer then the Giants would call them on it
If that is not a sign to move on then I don’t know what is the sign! He just doesn’t like St. Louis!!! He doesn’t want to even stay in the city 81 games (Days) out of the 365 days a year! That’s pretty plan! If he hates the city, hates the team, and the front office can’t communicate with him, even if it were Babe Ruth, he’d be a cancer on the team. Authorizing the Giants to talk to Stanton first is the crowning blow. How plan can’t it be? The picture is painted!! Move on to plan B and the best of luck in your plans. I still give the Cardinals a thumbs up for going this deep. Now, by this time, after years of the same results, the owners need to look in the mirror and evaluate just why major stars shun St. Louis. I’d say part of it is Mozeliak’s ineptness of communication and lack of being able to evaluated players talents on both his own team, and out side players. His past history of coming in second on all top tiered players Is a true indication of players not wanting to be a part of the Cardinals. I’ve said it many times, had they already have signed Abreau, Stanton would already be a Cardinal. On that part, I can understand his apprehension. He’s only had promises the Cardinals MIGHT obtain other top tiered players. He also sees that Mozeliak’s promises rarely come true about obtaining top tiered players. Stanton sees only reality. Carpenter, Pham, DeJong, Gyroko, Molina, Wong, Fowler, Grichuk, and Piscoty. Lord, would you want to come to a team that insist that a .241 hitter has got to be the lead off hitter, etc. etc. etc.
17…..Please stop fabricating stories. It’s not good journalism, and it certainly doesn’t “Add To The Conversation”.
“NOBODY” has officially said ANYTHING about Stanton “Not Liking St Louis.
“Not Nobody, Not Nothing”
You are feeding off of the tremendous emotional speculation that is being fueled by the Cardinal Fans (mostly the younger ones, who are very impatient)
The Marlins are handling Phase 1 (collecting offers)……and probably haven’t even TOLD Stanton about the Cardinals Offer yet. I doubt they’ve told him very much AT ALL.
Stanton will have HIS time to “Be In Charge”…..but it’s not at that point yet.
Random question, why do you use so many quotations? It makes your comments very awkward to read.
it’s more a matheny thing than a mozeliak. it hurt to type that. don’t like either of them
Please tell me how the Cardinals could “SIGN” Abreu ! The last time I checked , he played for the Sox
I can see where Stanton would be appealing to the Giants. They still have the makings of a wild card team if they really go all in with Stanton and other potential acquisitions (mostly free agents) to fill some of the team’s weaknesses. I don’t think the money is a huge issue for San Francisco. Their focus is likely on limiting which players go to Miami. I’m somewhat surprised about the names being tossed around, as I don’t think San Fran should give up quite that much and take on the entire contract.. Giants give it their best shot for a couple years, and if they fail to contend, go into full rebuild mode.
Well it sounds like Stanton doesn’t want to play in fly over country,or for Matheny.Will someone in St Louis please hack into Luthrows computer again! We need to get back to the Cardinal way
I get a sick feeling in my stomach for SF if this deal goes through. How will they address other needs on their roster? If this happens it practically assures Sandoval will remain in the roster, and that’s not a good thing. I assume Kelby Tomlinson takes over at 2B. Still need a CF. Bullpen still needs attention. I hope it works out for the Giants, but it’s a massive risk.
better the giants than the dodgers, or st louis. cardinals can do better than stanton by signing two players for his contract
Two? More like Four!
Is it too early to say I told you so Jason, Todd, and Jeff? Sometimes people in the area are more clued in.
Jeter is having a fire sale with the entire organization. Even the floor cleaning department, he might trade Billy the Marlin to the Yankees for a soda machine.