The Cardinals have announced that they have been informed that Marlins slugger Giancarlo Stanton will not waive his no-trade clause to approve a deal to St. Louis. Jose de Jesus Ortiz of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch tweeted the full statement.
Miami had put deals in place with both the Cards and the Giants, allowing Stanton to speak with both organizations before deciding whether to approve a deal. (With full no-trade rights, he controls the process.) It’s not certain at present whether a final decision has been issued with regard to the San Francisco organization, but we heard last night that there are indications the Marlins star is disinclined to go there, too.
The Cardinals expressed disappointment that Stanton had decided against joining the organization, but surely have had backup plans on their mind from the get-go. That could even include pursuit of some other notable Marlins outfielders, though there are a wide variety of directions which St. Louis could take.
As for Miami, this is a less-than-ideal development — unless, perhaps, Stanton is willing to go to the Giants. If both of those top suitors fall through, the Fish will need to go back to the drawing board. While yesterday’s news suggested the Dodgers and Yankees could still be brought into the hunt, indications are that those organizations won’t be willing to take on anything approaching all of Stanton’s sizable salary.
Stanton to the Bronx!
Why? Your pitching sux
Lol this guy
Hey Mack. Your pitching is as good as your spelling. Must be a met fan
Real mets fans dont care what the yanks do. Get over yourself. Also its quite clear the yankees pitching needs to be addressed.
Severino finished 3rd in CY young voting, Tanaka had a 3.12 from June 12 on, Montgomery had a 3.88, sonny gray… absolutely horrendous…u r a tard..:)
And yet still lost to the Astros. Just boggles the mind how that happened. Again the yankees need to address their starting pitching. Clearly the bullpen or offense is not the problem.
Yes, they lost to the eventual World Series champs. What an embarrassing travesty. [insert sarcasm]
It boggles your mind that they lost to the definitive best team in baseball?
One way to fix a staff is to score so many runs that it doesn’t matter…
He’s an amazing talent…but considering his injury history and the fact that they’re going to have to pay him 30 million a year **plus kickback another 15 million per year to MLB for the luxury tax on the contract!! 45 million for a guy who’s hopefully healthy is kind of a lot!!
I’m a Cards fan and I’m fine with the Birds NOT getting him just as I was ok with STL not resigning Hayward.
Smart move to use his NTC right after the Ohtani signing.. Media is eating up the Ohtani signing.
Lol enjoy Miami then no one wants you
I mean I don’t think that’s true
For the price? Yeah, it probably is true.
If the Yankees and the Dodgers both know he wants to play for them, it’d take them about an hour to hammer out the details and get it done. They’d even be able to lowball the Marlins fairly well, knowing that it’s them or get nothing, which it definitely appears to be the case so far.
Same goes for the Astros and the Cubs. This isn’t a difficult deal to make. You put your prospects out, you let the Marlins figure out the ratio of prospects to cash, you look at your spreadsheet and you make the call. The fact that neither of the teams with the highest payrolls are super interested in busting their budgets tells you all you need to know. The Astros might be the closest to having Stanton be affordable of all the teams he wants to play for, but why would they need him?
He’s going to be a Marlin in 2018 if he doesn’t take the SF Giants offer.
Um, the fact they had two deals set up proves teams did want him.
I think you made the point as to why the Yanks and Dodgers haven’t jumped on Stanton
” The fact that neither of the teams with the highest payrolls are super interested in busting their budgets tells you all you need to know”.
I do NOT view Stanton’s contract as a negative value, but if you’re already paying the lux tax then it’s not just prospects and his contract that you’re paying. It’s those two things and the lux tax on his contract on top. His cost in dollars can cost 10’s of millions more. From the perspective of those two teams, you have to consider the Law of Diminishing Return. How many more hrs do you need, how much better does your offense need to be and are there other needs that would go unaddressed because you’ve tied so much money into the offense.]?
The Giants have the worst farm in baseball. How much do you think they offered for Stanton? I’m guessing their deal was more about taking on a majority of the money than anything else. And guess what- the Marlins accepted the offer.
So stop with the prospect talk. The Marlins want to shed payroll. This isn’t a bidding war w/ prospects. It’s about which team is willing to take on the most money. So far, the four teams he’d accept a deal to have basically given the impression they aren’t interested in the contract.
Maybe you’re mischaracterizing what I’m saying:
The teams that want Stanton, he’s already said he won’t play for. Full Stop.
The teams that Stanton will play for, don’t seem terribly interested in paying Luxury Tax money to get him, just won a World Series without him, or are nowhere near contending even with him on their team. The rest already have a fairly expensive player at the top of their payroll and adding the most expensive player isn’t necessarily what most front offices over-budget and under-contending is going to do. Minnesota would have probably shipped the farm if they could have landed Stanton since 2018 and beyond seems like their time to crush a really weak AL Central, but he wasn’t having it. (irony alert too, Houston has a longer flight to LAX if he wants to live in LA so wanting to be on the west coast is a silly idea if you’d also take Houston).
He only wants to play for teams that don’t need him or don’t want his gigantic stupid contract that he should have thought about before signing it.
The entire league probably wants you*. Fixed it for you
Someone’s salty
Ya, Stanton’s shirtless Miami masseuse! :'( Stupid Stanton hates Chris Duncan Fan.
At least it’s an answer, rather than just keep on waiting
Brixton, because of your respectable status on this site and your heavy intrigue on your favorite player, I hope Christmas is good for you man and you get a Christmas miracle. I hope that your Phillies end up with a miraculous surprise Stanton package come the 25th. You may ask why I care? Well, he’s already in the Nl East, what difference does it make if he wears stripes and blush. Might be a Hail Mary long shot but I don’t want to see Stanton in Dodger blue, Yankee black, or Giant Halloween scheme. As a baseball fan, he needs to be traded SOMEWHERE.
Either a bullet was dodged or… an opportunity lost.
Profound
Or both.
Bullet dodged. He will break down in next 5 years
Tell us more, Doc. Where do your records indicate such a theory?
He would have opted out after 3, so that argument doesn’t make it a bullet dodged.
who’s going to pay him more than $217 million in 3 years he won’t opt out unless he gose on an insane run
JD Martinez is seeking $200mil. Let that sink in and then compare the two lines. He will opt out unless he gets seriously hurt.
JDM won’t get anywhere near 200 million just wishful thinking.
JD will get 7 years at 135 million.
I have to question our existence as a species now
Here’s the riddle gents…
How many birds does it take to kill with two stones?
And Jeter can just eat it.
You know what they say…a bullet dodged is an opportunity lost. Xabial and I took the same philosophy class in the back of my neighbors van. Good times.
Time to move on
Well darn. Move on to plan B
As a Cardinals fan, I was hoping he’d say no. I’d rather have Hosmer, to be honest. Great defensive player and a great hitter. Plus, his attitude and off the field stuff would fit in perfectly.
I think you meant to say “one of the worst defensive players in baseball”
Hosmer is going to the largest bidder and that won’t be the Cards. He has a ring, now he is looking for the $$
You got to be kidding on Homser Right?
Yay movement towards closure, seemed like a longshot for the Cards anyways
He was one of only two teams seriously in on him to the point where they met with him and made an offer. They certainly weren’t a “longshot”.
I meant in terms of Stanton waiving his no-trade clause to go to the Cardinals,
To make certain i am reading this correctly. This means he will not approve a trade to St Louis.
Correct.
Correct.
Stanton with not waive his no trade clause for the Cardinals because that will mean he will have to play for a team which he does not want to play for..
Surprising, isn’t it?
Not a trade to San Francisco either!
I don’t know a lot about St Louis and their players apart from Carpenter and Yadier, but with Stanton on the team, would they have been a playoff contender?
I think so. Especially considering their acknowledgment that they have plenty of capacity to add payroll this offseason.
They missed the playoffs by one game last year…so yes.
um what? They were 4 games back in the wildcard and 9 games back in the division. Definitely missed the playoffs by way more than a game…
He’s referring to the year prior, eliminated on the last day of the season in 2016.
They have a a good crop
Of young talent. Maybe not World Series contenders yet but they are trending towards contending
I’d say they’d definitely be a contender. They probably still wouldn’t be a favorite in the Central, but they could’ve won it and would for sure battle for a wild card
With Stanton? Probably. Last season, Carpenter was playing with one arm, Diaz and Piscotty imploded, and they had a horrible start, but then Pham and DeJong showed up, and they finished 4 games out of wild car spot. Right field was a black hole for them last year, which Stanton would have more than filled.
The real issue for them is how ready their young pitching is, which is a big reason why they changed up their pitching coaches and brought in Mike Maddux and brought up Bryan Eversgerd from Memphis (pretty important, since he helped develop Martinez, Wacha, Flaherty, Reyes, and the other Cardinals’ pitchers during his time in Memphis and Springfield).
they’re already a playoff “contender”.
He is getting paid no matter what. So why not use all his leverage to land in a desirable spot.
Yeah for sure, anyone complaining about Stanton taking his sweet time, well it’s the Marlin’s who agreed to the no trade clause in the first place.
eh, I agree, but i guess from an outsider perspective, there probably isn’t a less desirable spot to play baseball than Miami right now
Getting paid 30 million a year to live in Miami and play baseball. Must be awful.
There are a lot less desirable spots to play. At least it’s beautiful there. Sure, be nice to play for a contender like st Louis, but that city is a craphole.
if he doesn’t want to play in STL or SF….fine. this is one of the few times the player can dictate this so why not play in a place you WANT to play?
Ok now the action begins. The cub fan in me would love to see him traded to the Cubs but I don’t see that being possible
Well at least he didn’t leave it hanging. Time to move on. Wouldn’t doubt SF is toast as well.
Another blow to the Cardinals ego. They have been turned down a lot the last few offseasons. Nobody wants to live in St Louis
You don’t have to live in StL to play there genius. Dexter Fowler lives in Vegas.
Yes and Dexter Fowler rents a place in St. Louis during the season since he is stuck living there 6-7 months of the year
I doubt seriously players care about the location of a team with regards to a living situation. During the season they stay in hotels half the time, during the 81 days out of 365 they can probably stomach a nice condo or rental house.
So you really think there isnt players who hate being in super boring Missouri, instead of the social life available in NY or LA?
Theyll spend off days after home games too. All star break possibly, more like 100 days. Not everybody is keen on staying 30% of the whole year in somewhere they detest. Some likely dont care, but many surely.
House by the beach > nice condo but boring location
You’ve obviously never been to the Midwest. It’s not all boring. Where I live it is, cause I’m in the middle of nowhere, but St Louis isn’t boring by any means.
Since all major league teams are in Large Cities, there is social life available in all of them. I also sincerely doubt that any player “detests” any particular city. They may have preferences. Pay me $30MM, and I will tolerate your city for part of the year.
Once again, he’s being paid $30M regardless of where he chooses. His salary is not conditional on where he ends up playing, so he can choose to make $30M at one place he really likes or choose to make that same $30M at a less-desirable location.
Milwaukee? LoL
Yeah I’m sure they’re their ego is still shot after getting rejected by Jason Heyward . Or they’re perfectly content with not paying him $184mm over 8 years
No, they are perfectly content not paying him about $200mm for 8 years. Remember they offered more than the Cubs, but he wanted would rather play for the Cubs. The Cubs certainly don’t get everyone, and they certainly may make not always make the best deals—but it really has seemed for the past handful of years that players want to play for the Cubs.
They didn’t offer more than the Cubs! With the opt-outs, the contract is worth MORE with the Cubs!
And yet, with no one in their right mind willing to play for them, they seem to be either in or close to the playoffs every single year. Weird, isn’t it?
Let’s move towards Hosmer. Then try to get Archer, Colombo, and Longoria from the Rays
I’d rather have Ozuna than Hosmer.
Or Longoria.
Longoria had bad numbers last season, and I worry about Ozuna’s sustainability even more than Hosmer’s. Look at Ozuna’s numbers prior, they’re pretty shakey.
Longoria is basically an older Carpenter, except his walk numbers and On Base % are a lot lower
Hosmer is not a upgrade
Yeah, he would be. Take out Grichuk or Gyorko, or Piscotty and he’s an upgrade. He’s also a great defender. Can move Carp back to 3rd. He’d be a BIG upgrade.
Gyorko has been pretty solid with the Cards.
Hosmer is not a good defender or better by any means!
So you want the rays to trade their entire roster to the cards. Pls no i dont want my team playing for the cards
3 players = 25 man roster?
How about the White Sox package Jose Abreu and Avi Garcia to the Cardinals for a nice group of prospects.
Hopefully this means the price of Donaldson just increased
Don’t think the Blue Jays are looking to trade Donaldson. He feels more like a possible trade deadline move at this point.
The Cards have a great franchise. Some people just don’t want to live in the Midwest, even for only part of the year. I’d do the same thing he did. St Louis isn’t LA or NY. Not even close.
It’s 81 days a year. That’s not an issue at all.
I used to live in St. Louis. 81 days a year is already too much. Great franchise, but terrible place to live, even if only for a short time.
WTF?!?!?!?! Please, explain how a terrible place to live in!!!!!
I grew up there and I would consider New York, L.A., S.F., Boston, Chicago, etc. as terrible places to live in!!!
Its been much nicer lately….. since you moved.
Why are you so caught up in this that you have to basically lie to yourself. They spend more than just game days in the city in which they play. And location is a big deal to almost all players. St Louis sucks, it just does and that matters to a lot of ball players.
Apparently it is an issue. It’s way more than 81 days also, math wiz. Everyone has different preferences. If you’re from LA like Stanton, it makes sense to go home. He has been in MIA for a long time, which is also an incredible place to live. Great location. Apparently NYC also appeals to him. The guy wants to play & live in desirable places. Nothing wrong with that. Most people (unless you’re from there) view the Midwest as a complete boring place to live and visit. Stanton is apparently one of those people.
K so now the Marlins can move Ozuna, Barraclough, and half of Ziegler’s contract to the Cardinals. Everyone is happy.
As a Cards fan, I would prefer this to Stanton.
Leave Ziegler off.
Rather get Yelich and Ozuna, if it comes to that. Yelich I feel much better about in terms of next year’s production.
Well, as a Marlins fan, I wouldn’t trade Yelich for anything less than a super legit return…im much more open to Ozuna
I’m a HUGE cardinals fan. Born and raised in St. Louis. I don’t have anything against the city. Having said that, if I was a multi-millionaire, I’d look elsewhere as well. It’s nothing worth being upset about. St. Louis has a lot to offer and is a great baseball town, but let’s not pretend like it’s everyone’s dream to live there.
I think it’s the wrong baseball move for him (unless he really can force a trade to the Dodgers or Yankees) because he could make the playoffs a couple times in STL and then opt out. But I don’t blame him for not wanting to leave South Beach for St. Louis.
And as a Cards fan, I’d rather they get Ozuna, so I’m hoping this opens up that possibility.
Why bother, though, if you’re Stanton? Yes, he’s more likely to compete in St. Louis than in Miami. However, if he wouldn’t be happy, why bother? Also, just because the Dodgers don’t want him now, doesn’t mean they don’t want him next year. Yankees are trying to get under the luxury cap to go after Harper next year. If the Yankees miss out on Harper, do they take Stanton as a consolation? One more year in Miami for two – nine years where you want to go? It’s worth a gamble. If all else fails, he’s stuck in Miami for three more years. Yeah. baseball wise that sucks, but there’s worse places to be.
Not if you want to play for a winner.
No offense to those that live in St. Louis, but I can see how that town is not the pick of the litter for a multimillionaire.
on to plan b
I don’t blame him, he wants to be on a coast (west or east) the Cardinals are a fine team and the fans are great but the weather….. not so much. I wouldn’t want to live in St. Louis either
He’s not required to live in St. Louis. They only play 81 games a year there.
Yes 81 games over 6-7 months! So he should live in a hotel then so he is not “living here”
Which coast are the cubs on?
Midcoast.
The cubs are on WS contenders coast
Along with LA , NY, and HOU. STL is not as currently constructed
Cubs gonna need a starter and closer before they can be on that coast.
Stanton to Cubs doesn’t make sense. They still also need a true leadoff hitter. They’ll get a starter and closer but the real concern is center and leadoff. I still think Almora gets traded.
Stanton just wants to have fun in the party room 95 times a year and then go to sleep in his penthouse overlooking the lakefront. Don’t think we have room for him though.
There are 3 coasts ! Houston is in a coast too!
Cardinals don’t need to completely destroy their farm system for one guy… time to move on
Well, two sides really to look at. 1. He’s the player, he has a 300 million dollar contract so of course, he has ultimate preference. His life. His career..etc. He don’t have to care what people think as far as those regards go and by all means. If we were in his shoes, big decision, can pick where wanted to go. On the other hand, most fans and most normal people dont have a 300 million dollar guaranteed contract plus endorsement money or the luxury of choosing what city we wanna play professional ball in. Im not a big fan of athletes making more money than military, doctors, etc.. But..it is what is. Could say he’s selfish on one hand, like it’s 4 teams or nothing, even though st. Louis has alot of good baseball history…but again i guess, his life..his career. He will get that piece of candy eventually or toy he wants eventually lol
Ozuna!
If he would only waive his no trade clause for the Dodgers, Yankees, Astros, and the Cubs, why didn’t he just say that in the beginning? It would’ve saved everyone a lot of time.
He did, but he left the options open. The list only now was publicly stated.
None of those 4 teams currently has a “need” for an outfielder. The list doesn’t matter if none of those teams is willing to trade value for you.
Chris Duncan Fan ANGRY!!! From now on my joke’s of the day will be mean!
Here’s your joke of the day idiots.
Q: What’s the difference between a trampoline and Giancarlo Stanton?
A: I take off my shoes when I jump on a trampoline.
Well this one sounds a bit more sexual than I had intended…but you get the point. :'(
Other than a vague and puny attempt at humor, what was that “point” you refer to?
Yeah, Lester doesn’t like you moving in on his territory.
I am breaking my record for dislikes :/ Maybe next time I don’t start the joke by calling everyone an idiot.
GOOD! If he’s going to spend the next DECADE somewhere, St. Louis has to be near the bottom of the list.
Along with Fort Lauderdale, it’s one of the two highest-crime cities in the nation! He can find a better city to play/live in; I’d have done the same thing, so good on him!
St. Louis is a very violent city.
I’d argue with you about the crime stats in St. Louis being skewed relative to other cities because the greater metro area is not taken into account, but who really cares.
Like LA isn’t violent lol. The decision didn’t have anything to do with the crime rate of St. Louis. The players don’t live in Ferguson
I’m a criminologist from St. Louis…someone want to ask me? I charge .02 cents by the word though.
Have you been to St Louis..? Or LA..? Or Chicago..? While crime stats are high in all three, there aren’t just militarized citizens roaming the streets gunning down any living object they see. Some of this is overstated. St. Louis has problem areas like Ferguson and East STL just like LA has Compton and Watts. Just stay away from that and you’ll be fine. There’s no reason to go to those areas in the first place.
Ferguson isn’t a problem area, and neither of the places you listed are in St. Louis. North city is the problem area and they always rank high in the list because the stats are skewed by the low population of the city, but the large population of the metro area.
Don’t forget about Philly
and DC
and New Orleans! They all have led the nation in violent crime at one time.
Could go after Hosmer, I worry Ozuna would be even more unpredictable. Its not over for the Cardinals.
Just please lord not Longoria. They need a Hosmer/Martinez/Abreu type person, not a person who’s well past their prime and is no better than the current options they have.
If Abreu is available I hope they get him and Ozuna, then spend some serious cash on a couple big bullpen arms (like Davis and Reed or Nicasio or all three…just make a stacked pen).
I agree, just I feel Abreu’s presence clubhouse wise is pretty muted. I may be wrong but I feel like he wouldn’t be as big as a game changer as Hosmer/Martinez would.
This. Longoria is a one year older version of Carpenter, just with less walks and more strikeouts. I’m all on Hosmer. Always liked his bat and defense.
Yeah – but you would probably say that Donaldson’s well past his prime and yet after getting reacclimated coming back from injury he was close to back to MVP caliber-form the last almost 3 months!!!
I really think Hosmer is very overrated, I don’t want him for anywhere near what he’s going to make
I really don’t think he’s gonna top $110M total. That isn’t crazy considering JDM is getting $160M at least, Stanton having $250M, ect..
FINALLY this is over, now they can move on from him
As a Cardinals fan, Im just glad it’s over. Now the team can move on to other targets. I’m proud of the front office for pursuing this to the fullest extent. Today, I’m even more proud to be a Cardinal fan. Go Cards!!
Another guy who dosent buy into the Cardinal way can’t say I blame him. Oh by the way Cardinal fans he said he would waive it for the Cubs….
Heyward preferred Chicago too. How’d that work out for the Cubbies?
Oh right. He made a $200 million speech.
It worked out great!
Worked out pretty good so far. And btw, the Cardinals made the $200 million offer to Heyward….not the Cubs.
Your WRONG!
As someone else pointed out – his 4 teams were the 4 teams that were in the LCSs last season:
Dodgers & Cubs from the NL &
Astros & Yankees from the AL
I would say that of those 4 the Cubs are actually the least likely to get him given that he has preferrences for BOTH “warm weather” – certainly not the case in Chicago but for a brief period & to be on the Coasts…..ALL of the other 3 are on some type of Coast – or Houston’s at least technically within 1/2 an hour of the Gulf Coast anyway.
Besides, Cubs already have Schwarber, Almora, Happ, Heyward, & Zobrist playing in the OF and that’s AFTER Jay’s made no bones that he’s not resigning there. Seems pretty unlikely that he goes to the Cubs.
December 8 is the day Pujols signed with LAA. Not a good day for cards fans.
I hereby declare December 8 to be “Dodged Bullet Day.”
The Cards were lucky that Albert didn’t re-sign.
And hopefully the same thing happens and next Oct Stanton is sitting on his couch watching the Cardinals in the playoffs. Just like Albert did the next Oct after heading to LA.
December 8th is also the day we acquired Rollie Fingers in 1980. Then 4 days later we flipped him with Ted Simmons to Milwaukee for David Green, Dave LaPoint, Sixto Lezcano, and Lary Sorensen..
This trade looks lopsided in favor of MIL, however, StL won this trade in the longer run! Lezcano was a key component to the Ozzie Smith trade, David Green and LaPoint landed Jack Clark in 1984, and Sorensen was flipped in 1981 for Lonnie Smith!
Whitey knew what he was doing.
I never thought Stanton was coming to STL. Seems to me he used the Cardinals so the team he’s really interested in (LAD) would know what it will take in a trade. To whomever gets Giancarlo good luck-10 years is a long time!!!
Thank god! STL is so racist and terrible and muddy and its always snowing and its so hot all the time and they hate america and support the taliban!
STFU, Your town isnt exponentially better than STL. There are racists in your city. There are bad parts about your city. You are just regurgitating the same bull spit spewed by every person trying to trash STL.
Cardinal fans are just happy that they can move on with their offseason. I respect Stanton and his decision. Everyone has preferences, If youve never lived in STL, you have no room to judge. Anyone who has ever lived here knows there are issues, but there are issues everywhere. Ferguson just put a national spotlight on what is happening everywhere (hint: the nfl players arent protesting because there are injustices in STL, they are protesting because there are injustices happening ACROSS AMERICA)
I have lived in St. Louis. I’m sure racism and violence had nothing to do with his decision. But the difference between St. Louis and other cities is that other cities have a much larger proportion of the population willing to recognize and address those issues.
No, St Louis is just like most other cities in that regard. You just don’t see it as much since you live in St Louis.
Stanton to the Marlins for a rebuild
So build the world’s greatest bull pen. Outside of Osuna, none of the other guys are worth chasing. Let’s see if Memphis can go to 50 games over .500 in ’18 and let the rest of the league salivate.
LMFAO!!!!
Hosmer, Moustakas, Donaldson, Bruce, J.D. Martinez, Cozart, – NOT WORTH CHASING?!?!?!
No, they are not upgrades.
St louis should go after Ozuna or Yelich the nvr saw them as tru contenders for Stanton
The offer on the table but the Giants should just pull them and chase after McCutchen or sign JD Martinez or Jay Bruce who won’t require probably a second rd comp. if you sign Martinez. The 4 teams are obviously interested but they just going to offer a low ball trade like 3 or 4 low tier prospects. The Giants are offering all mid tier prospects and four of them. I’d pull it and do a take it or leave it deal with just Shaw and Beede. If the Giants lose out on all the power hitters, me as a fan will be frustrated.
Be prepared to be frustrated.
How many said Book It!! for Stanton going to the Cards?? Too bad for the Cards fans. Any fan would like their team to get a guy like Stanton. Wonder what they offered for him??
I would like Ozuna over Yelich..But if I am not mistaken Yelich is a CF so they have to move Dexter to LF then have Grichuck or Piscotty in RF and trade the other. Then go after the best free Closer and another starter.
Maybe Straily and Ozuna for alanactra, piscotty, Hudson and Kelly? Just thinking out loud.
Yelich can play anywhere in the outfield., and Fowler was headed to left field, anyway, because of Tommy Pham.
Still would personally prefer Ozuna. Yelich would cost a little less though probably?
I can’t see the Marlins dealing Yelich.
The reason they’re looking to make deals is to cut salaray. Yelich doesn’t make very much as it is and he’s young enough still that he could be a cog the next time that they’d be looking to contend 3 – 4 years down the road.
If they were willing to pay Stanton a large portion of his contract, could Plan B be going after J.D. Martinez next?
Derrick Goold has said plan B could just as easily be turning the trade discussions to either Yelich or Ozuna, because they would be partway there all ready.
Also, if Stanton also nixes a trade to the Giants, that could become a priority for the Marlins.
No frikkin’ way!!!!! Goold’s “off his rocker”!!!! Marlins will push wanting to deal Stanton for months and months further yet still. Someone might get a bargain in Ozuna later on if they don’t deal Stanton, but I don’t think that’s going to be known until ilke February.
Cardinals have too much offseason work to do to just sit idly by. Chances are any offensive upgrade for them will now come from a Free Agent or a deal with another team. Not to spite the Marlins, but because they’ll be idling still looking to make that happen. Also, Yelich is too cheap for it to help in their goal of knocking down their payroll. Ozuna, they’ll look to deal. I HIGHLY DOUBT that they’ll look to deal Yelich.
Most of what I’d heard of as a Plan B is some combination of at least 2 of Archer, Colome & Longoria of the Rays.
Cardinals have never had success in negotiating deals with the Rays in the past though. They’ve wanted to deal for others in the past.
He is going back to Miami or maybe a surprise team that can take on his salary
This is a circus!
No the circus begins when I go home for xmas…am I right…am I right? Badaboom.
If I had the power in MLB, I would change no trade clauses. They could still exist, but they would either be yes or no, there would be no more limited no trade clauses. Players should not get to dictate which teams they can be traded to because it affects competitive balance too much. It’s bad enough with free agency, but that’s at least an open market. With trades it hurts the trading team too much because the Dodgers know they only have to make a token offer because there is no real competition. We don’t need MLB to become the NBA where you have 3-4 teams with all the stars and all the rest of the teams just there to fill out schedules..
Have fun convincing the player’s union of that view. You should look at how teams operated when the reserve clause was in affect, when players had zero control over where they played, and see what it did for the “competitive balance”.
If players are good enough, they should be able to have some control over their careers.
Good think we didn’t “book it”.
The Marlins are in a tough spot.
Cmon Orioles, time to sweep in and lock down a potential hall of famer.
Stanton didn’t sign a $325 million contract to date the hottest woman (women) in St. Louis.
Bottom line.
True
No, they are not upgrades.
He will be a Dodger by early next week!!
I’d seen some say something about – “I lived there for a year. I know why he didn’t sign there it sukked.”
I can say – “i’ve been one that’s NEVER wanted to live in Boston, New York, Chicago,, L.A. or San Francisco.” The value of your dollar goes from being able to have a gourmet dinner in the Midwest would net you a quarter pounder in thiose areas.
Give me a place where my dollar actually gets me something!!!
With his contract, I don’t think that really matters that much. He is now in Florida anyways, and according to my holiday experiences a dollar doesn’t get you much there either
“The value of your dollar”
Something not as significant to someone with hundreds of millions of them…
Trade Yelich, and Ozuna for a good return, and hope Stanton can get traded later, or just hope this awful team will make him opt out
As a Cardinals fan, I wanted Ozuna all along. Mainly because of the prospect package being discussed and the contract on top. I like Stanton but the opt out really concerned me. I wouldn’t bet against Ozuna being dealt to STL now.
If he is trying to go where he wants and is holding the team hostage then it’s simple you keep him. He doesn’t get to choose if the Dodgers come in with a low ball offer you simply keep him and trade others. He will get tired of losing by the All-star break and won’t be nearly as picky.
i didn’t read anything about him saying he wouldn’t go to st louis, only he wouldn’t opt out of his no trade clause. seems st louis is taking him coming there as a no. all it means is they should rework a deal with miami, with miami paying more and getting less in return.
Reading is good. Comprehension would help. That is exactly what he is saying by refusing to waive his no trade clause..
I will not allow myself to be traded to St. Louis.
then negotiate around it
Slide you are dumber then I even thought!
@slide
You truly lack in the intelligence department don’t you. Can you tell me what 2 + 2 equals? I doubt it
the lack of intelligence award goes to the cardinals gm for giving up
Lol. That’s exactly what he’s saying. Reading is your friend.
seems to me that by not waiving a no trade clause, he would be giving the giants or cardinals a willingness to go there. if you want me, i’ll go, but you’re not trading me.
Finally a conclusion. Geeeeesh! I have been saying the past two weeks that this was going to be a no go. Thank you to Mike for getting this done today and allow Cards to flip to plan B. I do think there is something to the Ferduson referance in another thread. Heyward partially didn’t come back because of it and Fowler puts on a good face but there just seems something off to me. Injuries didn’t help but his compete level was dreadful last year if you ask me. That and simple geography doomed the Cards in this from the beginning. Moz and Girsch did the right thing though, they went after the biggest Fish in the pond. Miami’s front office played ours all along IMO but that is what they are supposed to do. There is actually no one to get mad at in all this if you are a Cards fan. Things went the way they should have.
Now i have flipped and i think Yelich is the guy you want and not Ozuna. I think Pablo is a freak athlete and would bring some serious talent to Busch but there has been questions about his compete level and maturity in the past. After Fowler last year i am not sure it would be a great fit, and that whole St.Louis police thing. Cards usually do the safest thing and i think that is Yelich. Ceiling is lower than Ozuna but his floor is higher. I really like this player who has been pretty constent for a young guy. I orioginally thought he doesn’t offer that power bat but he is so solid everywhere else he could be a real steal. He would immediately become our Centerfielder. and a tablesetter in the two hole. I could see the Cards moving Fowler or Marp and possibly both if they can add a Longoria, Davis or Donaldson too. Those guys are Cardinal “Types” in my opinion. The Farm has outfielders and RH power pitchers coming out of their ears and plenty of payroll space. I think they can easily afford two hitters now that they don’t have the Stanton contract weighing them down. They could shed salary too (Fowler, Marp, Cecil, Gyrko).
My proposals are this:
Trade for: Yelich, Barraclough and Zeiglar ($3 Mill) Subtract; Flaherty, Tuivailala, T.O’neil, Mercado, J.Fernandez.
Trade for: Longoria and Colome, Subtact: Piscotty, Wacha, Woodford
The Cardinals would add a CF, a Third baseman and some offense as well as revamping the bulpen with Barraclough, Colome and Zeiglar while thinning out some of the OF and Pitching depth in the minors.
They would then still have Gyrko and maybe Fowler and Marp to trade to replenish ML depth or for another Starting Pitcher. None of this will probably happen but that is what i would do. Another plus to that would be they don’t add much payroll at all.
I don’t think Fowler will waive his no trade
I bet he would for Los Angles, New York, Houston or Chicago. All kidding aside i bet he would or maybe he just isn’t feeling the future in St. Louis if they bring in Yelich or Ozuna with Pham already there. Seems like Pham, Fowler and Grichuk all are best suited in LF and Martinez and maybe even Carpenter could see time there too. One of Pisco or Grichuk might still be here for RF so Cards could easily cover if Fowler is traded. Also there are rumblings he is not too happy being moved off CF already and an addition of Yelich or Ozuna makes it a given he won’t be playing there much. I could totally see him waving his NTC for the right team and if Maz was to mabey offer him something like money for the NTC. They have a serious logjam in the OF already and a bunch of guys on the Farm so this makes sense from the Front Office angle. I would Love to see atrade for Donaldson. Of course not straight up, we would probably have to add something Toronto covets, i have no idea what that would be though. This is Donaldson’s last year under contract. Fowler can DH a lot there too and with the gaps in Toronto might get 75 XBH. It seems like a really good hitters park to me. Just a thought.
i wouldn’t give up anything for one year of donaldson
You also think that Stanton saying he won’t waive his no trade to go to St. Louis isn’t the same as him saying he doesn’t want to play in St. Louis. So…
i think he’s saying i’ll go to st louis, but after i get there, i can’t be traded.
I think Fowler or anyone would love to get out of St. Louis
When does the next chapter of this book come out?
Who left has the payroll flexibly,the prospects and the fanbase to swoop in at the last minute.
As a Cards fan. Thank you god! He would of ended opting out anyway, and we would of lost all that team controlled talent.
Good! Now the Cards have the money AND players to get several pieces, including Harper next year
Every Cardinals fan out there saying he needs to be booed or hit by a pitch needs to stop rooting for the Cardinals.
We can’t be the bfib acting like that. Quit it
No JF that is typical Cardinal fan hate mongering. That is why the Cardinals are the worst fans in baseball
No fans are the best or the worst in baseball. You find the same types of fans everywhere. These narratives are almost as dumb as the small minded fans that are mad at Stanton for choosing which city he wants to work in.
I agree with you on that one. Cannot understand how they do not understand that Miami gave him the no trade. So he is using it. I do not see why that makes him a bad guy
It’s really not a bad thing as a Cards fan. It would have been great to have him but with that contract it just felt like a lot of money for a player we didn’t develop (remember making fun of the Angels for doing the same thing?). If I’m the Marlins, I say to the Cardinals “Hey, we’ve got the framework for a trade so let’s move Yelich and Ozuna” and then hold on to Stanton. Clean house except for him unless you find a legitimate deal without getting lowballed by either coast and see who cracks first while he wastes his prime playing for a non-contender.
I’m with Tim. I think this is like Albert and Hayward…..a deal they’re going to be thankful didn’t work out.
Good point Tim. It would be exciting for you to have him and see how that worked out but now you look at it the right way. You save the money and prospects so you have to tools to move on in a new direction.
Its just the Stanton thing is more exciting at the moment since what they will do with the money and prospects are not instantly known. But it the long run it may wind up even better. You never know
Cardinals should trade for both Yelich and ozuna…plus they just proved they have plenty of money to spend…I’m pretty excited as a cardinals fan personally
Tough to be a Cardinals fan these days huh ..,. Haha …. nobody wants to go to play in St. Louis with the aging team declining and getting less relevant every year
Russian Troll!
well i’m the american troll
it’s not the team, or the fans. it’s matheny.
Aging team? You listen to idiot Cub fans way too much!
Trade for Jose Abreu and sign J. D. Cardinals top of the Central. Along with a closer.. and for all you haters.. travel 10 miles out of the City and you have StL Co. Stanton will be injured by mid season next year.. so have fun with that.
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